The Syndicate

DrumBeats wrote: Also, had Dfaraday already used his one-shot protection? Cause I think we could've won if not.

DrumBeats wrote:Luna is definitely friendly, but I'm unsure if it's vote means anything. The fact that we haven't lost yet implies that between our two remaining civs and Luna with our votes/roles we can pull this off.

DFaraday, I think it is a bit obvious now that you are my civ buddy, and 3J and K4J are scumbuddies based on last phase. Nijuu probably role copped 3J with snapshot and was confident he was getting a baddie. Mafia likely shot Nijuu at some recent point and already deduced him to be process.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DFaraday, what do you think of DrumBeats?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think it's important that we energize this game as much as possible right now. It is entirely winnable, but to get there we're going to need coordination amongst town reads and communication about courses to be followed. Without vote changes, any vote placed by a townie upon another townie has the potential to be very damaging at this point, and we stand a better chance of avoiding that if we talk everything over before the votes start falling and facilitate coordinated voting and team work. I'd like to hear perspectives from everyone remaining on the following points:

1. Who are your town reads?

2. Who do you think are most likely to be mafia?

3. Who do you think are most likely to be the Process?

4. Do you feel we should lynch a player or an element this day phase?

nijuukyugou wrote:Voting Operator.

I'm finding the JJJ suspicions without much of an effort to back them up becoming more and more bizarre (as in, I'm questioning why they're happening beyond face value). Gonna ponder this. I'd like to see others' thoughts on this. I'm off to a baseball game for the evening, but may be back later tonight, but more likely tomorrow. Hasta más tarde, muchachos.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Things MovingPictures07 said to/about DFaraday:

In the huge null pile in the first rainbow before he had gotten involved

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm not necessarily opposed to DB's idea, but I don't know if the baddies would actually go along with that, since it would require them to spend NKs on the Process but not the player behind it (or anyone else). We also don't know if DB's NK-then-lynch plan is even how to defeat the process.

As far as actual suspicions go, Zebra's weird behavior is striking me as very unhelpful and rather pingy. Matt a bit as well, but at least he's explained himself for the most part.

What about reywaS? His behavior has been the very definition of "very unhelpful"; he hasn't been here.

MP indirectly craps on DF's suspicion of Zebra by providing a counterexample of a player who was "unhelpful" on Day 1 without getting crap for it.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Zebra has been posting nonsense that indicates nothing

It indicates that Zebra is playing in an unhelpful manner to the town, at least.

*votes Zebra*

So we're just going to policy lynch her and not discuss anything else?

I thought I brought meaningful content to the discussion regarding nutella, and literally NO ONE has commented on it, or anything else I've said about zebra. Why does it seem like no one gives a shit whether zebra is town or not?

This is nonsense.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:And no, I don't think Wilgy is being very helpful either, but he does this regardless of alignment. I don't recall Zebra ever behaving this way.

So because you interpret this behavior to be within zebra's meta, but Wilgy's is in within meta, then zebra's behavior being "weird" makes her worthy of your vote? How is that logical at all?

Weird DOES NOT EQUAL suspicious. Can anyone actually explain to me the mafia motivation behind zebra's actions?

MP voiced exaggerated displeasure at the Zebra wagon and DF was the target of that in a couple cases. Given that this was a white-knighting job by MP in defense of Zebra, this might be a nice look for DFaraday -- he'd be taking the brunt of the blame for the wagon that could be blamed on numerous people.

Slight mafia read in the second rainbow list.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Most of you zebra voters have some explaining to do. Please respond to my concerns at your convenience.

Zebra was acting weird. That was pretty much the extent of my thought process.

I'd like to lynch DFaraday.

MP definitely blamed DF for what happened to Zebra. Good look.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd like to talk more about DFaraday, Illyria, and Nerolunar, because I think their content and vote yesterday warrant it. Give me your opinions, people.

Which of the zebra voters look worse? Which look better? Why?

I have a hard time believing DF, Elo, Illy, and Nero are all bad, but it's mathematically a possibility (since the mafia team has 4 members). I want others' input; which of these people do you believe, if any, and why?

Continues pushing that point on Night 1, this time with DF mentioned alongside two others.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

nutella wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.

So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.

I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.

DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?

I would have to examine some interactions first, and I don't like getting into team theories too ahead of myself, but I'd tentatively agree that DF and Nero are teammate-compatible. I'm not sure whether the point about DF's participation is anything alignment-indicative though.

Subscribes to nutella's assertion that DF and Nero might be team mates. Nero wasn't bad. Could be opportunism by MP.

Red read in the Night 2 rainbow list

Again on Day 3

MP continued to include DF as a candidate to be a team mate of Elohcin into Day 5 and Day 6.

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Things DFaraday said to/about MovingPictures07:

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DFaraday wrote:When did Day 1 votes become such serious business around here? I recall a time when half the field would randomize on Day 1 and nobody thought it weak, when Jason Maher would vote himself every Day 1 and nobody complained, and actually having a substantial reason for voting that early was unusual. Did something change, or am I severely misremembering, because I still don't approach Day 1 with that much analysis.

I would also note that MP says there is no reason for a baddie to act the way Zebra was, which may be true (though I think baddies can play intentionally obtuse in thread to avoid committing to anything). However, I would ask what reason a baddie specifically would have for giving such a throwaway reason for voting someone. I don't think it's a stretch to say that civvies vote for lame reasons just as much as baddies, and I really don't see how a weak voting reason is alignment-indicative at all.

If you want to say my vote was weaksauce, fine, it kind of was, but it doesn't make me bad.

EBWOP: K4J, for the longest time your avi was a source of gender confusion for me.

Explaining himself in response to the accusations related to the Zebra wagon.

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DFaraday wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:These zebra votes are seriously ridiculously suspicious at face value. If you all can't recognize that, then I don't know what to say.

Ugh, I know.

You seem to be scapegoating hard though. It makes me a little wary of you, throwing blame around. Did you defend Zebra or her actions anywhere? If this lynch was as bad as you make it out to be, you should have been more vocal about it before it happened.

Won´t it just regenerate if we kill it? I think someone(Nutella maybe) wrote something about those cells.

This struck me as a NO U, and rather inaccurate assessment of MP.

This might be the most curious moment for DFaraday. Nero suggested that MP was scapegoating people for the Zebra lynch, and the primary target of that would have been DFaraday himself. DFaraday defended MP in this case though and accused Nero of a "NO U".

DFaraday: please talk about this moment if you could. Try to revisit your mindset at this point in the game and add some clarity to your willingness to give MP the benefit of the doubt as he was criticizing you so harshly for the Zebra wagon.

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DFaraday wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:RIP Matt.
I'm going to try catching up. The poll sucks.

nutella wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.

So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.

I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.

DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?

Thanks for explaining. I could see this being a possibility. Especially with the fact that he said he needs to rethink the suspicion on Nero.

Is it not commonplace to reevaluate your suspicions in light of a baddie being lynched? I thought everyone did that.

I'm probably going to vote for Nero anyway since he's still my most suspicious of the three, but I want to hear more about why Scotty suspects MP, whom I've been reading pretty strongly as civ.

This "strong civ" read is a forgiving one considering the treatment DF received from MP.

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DFaraday wrote:I think JJJ makes some good points about Snapshot. If it's role checking people we shouldn't be quick to dismiss its suspicions (for that matter, it was also suspecting MP, right?). And I agree that one player controlling that many abilities seems unlikely, so we can't say that Snapshot is necessarily synonymous with the Process. I'm considering a Drum vote today, but I also want to look over the MP case, since I didn't quite catch what the case on him is about.

Decent enough look that DF made sure to include MP in the Day 6 discussions of Snapshot's role check power and what it might mean about the players he suspected.

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I think this is mostly of a positive reflection for DFaraday. I would like to hear more about the points highlighted in pink though.

DrumBeats wrote:Based on the sheer number of people Snapshot is "quoting" yet seems to have one cohesive voice, I find it highly unlikely that there are multiple people controlling them. I would bet that The Process was given all of these sock accounts to control, but has to abide by certain posting restrictions. Just my guess about how it works.

Mafia, please kill another one tonight. We can just take them out back and forth for a while.

nutella wrote:DF, thinking you were Nero's teammate was not at all my original reason. I had been separately suspicious of you already, and said as much, and then K4J asked me how I could reconcile suspecting both you and Nero given your suspicion of him, and I explained that I believed you could both be teammates, but my suspicion of you still stands after Nero's flip because it was not solely based on that.

nutella wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.

So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.

I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.

DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?

nutella wrote:RIP wilgy.


I am still suspicious of DF and might also look into llama more.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: DFaraday's vote was the fourth. He had voiced suspicion of Nero from Day 2 onward and on Day 3 he employed process of elimination for his vote, voicing a town read on MP and referencing my points in favor of nijuukyugou. I have no immediate issue with this vote compared to the others, but it does remind me to echo a question I asked earlier that I don't believe was addressed:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I doubt that Epi would put one of each on the poll, thus narrowing down the Process to one of three. I also agree with Nero that it's probably not all civs. I think MP is civ, and JJJ made a pretty good case for Ninja not being Elo's teammate, so Nero is looking the worst of the three to me right now.

What did you like about what I had to say in my niju review?

kneel4justice wrote:RIP Matt.
I'm going to try catching up. The poll sucks.

nutella wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.

So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.

I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.

DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?

Thanks for explaining. I could see this being a possibility. Especially with the fact that he said he needs to rethink the suspicion on Nero.

Nerolunar wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I doubt that Epi would put one of each on the poll, thus narrowing down the Process to one of three. I also agree with Nero that it's probably not all civs. I think MP is civ, and JJJ made a pretty good case for Ninja not being Elo's teammate, so Nero is looking the worst of the three to me right now.

You were suspicious of me before, so this just seems excessive. Oh well.

Nerolunar wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

nutella wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.

So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.

I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.

DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but I'll move on rather than get into that.

Now that we know Elo was bad, I need to see whether there are any in-thread connections between Nero and Elo, or whether they interacted to any notable degree.

Voting Operator just because.

I don´t think we did - but I find it troublesome that you are actively looking for evidence to support your pre-existing suspicion. Its like the conspiracy theorists who twist anything they find to fit their theory. Okay its not exactly like that, but thats the feeling I get with this post.

Im not sure it´s alignment indicative though. Im still feeling civ about you.

nutella wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.

So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.

I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.

DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?

Nerolunar wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:These zebra votes are seriously ridiculously suspicious at face value. If you all can't recognize that, then I don't know what to say.

Ugh, I know.

You seem to be scapegoating hard though. It makes me a little wary of you, throwing blame around. Did you defend Zebra or her actions anywhere? If this lynch was as bad as you make it out to be, you should have been more vocal about it before it happened.

Won´t it just regenerate if we kill it? I think someone(Nutella maybe) wrote something about those cells.

Nerolunar wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:If I know myself well, Im going to believe in a case made tomorrow and bandwagon. Thats how it usually is for me at this stage. Im not proud, just saying.

Hold the phone. Why is that a bad thing?

You are preemptively setting yourself up for failure, but only becaused you defined the action as failure. Why?

Because I struggle forming independent reads in the beginning of a game and it bugs me. I think it is a bad thing that I must rely on other player´s cases.

At least I am able to reflect on this, I guess.

Ugh I just need to be better at mafia. 7 losses in a row have made me a little sour.

Illyria wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:No one died on Night 1?

I don't understand why a number of people are suspecting me. I'll probably vote for DrumBeats today.

Drum, and you think I am skimming?

a2thezebra wrote:Whoa, this is coming out of nowhere!

No.. no it isn't.

I don't know you, so I can't speak to your playstyle but when several people whom I DO know are saying this is not normal, which is matching what my gut is telling me, I am going to listen.

I am reading every post, but the real crux is that I don't understand what is going with the game mechanics itself-- I am still not wanting to run w/Drum's plan (too risky) though at least I understand what you are saying better now than I did when you first posted it.

Matt, I think you and Elo have very different playstyles which can be problematic. I am reminded that you and I do as well, and you were like a damn dog with a bone decrying I was bad for what.. Four Mafia days?? I was not. I do not trust your instincts. So I am not following an Elo vote.

My list of who I suspect right now is not all that clear. So I am going to do a rainbow list like y'all like. In dark colors though, y'all are KILLING my old eyeballs with these neon and bright colors.

Maybe Good:
MP
Matt

No Idea:
Elo
JJJ
Drum
LA
llama
Rey
sig
niju
nero
DF
AATB
agle


Maybe Bad:
Dr Wilgy
Zebra

LA, congrats that is amazing. I am so proud of you!

Illyria wrote:Whoo hoo! Game!

I am already confused y'all. This might be worse than Dom's Pokemon game which about scarred me for life.

Illyria wrote: I am so glad you and LA are here to suss this stuff out.

Illyria wrote: I wish I understood the lingo better. Does Badcell mean Bad as in Evil and Anti Town or something else? It would inform my decisions.

Illyria wrote:*sigh*


Dr Wilgy, I get that you are "zany", but your playstyle is making me want to vote for you.

But I am voting for zebra, I have to go to work and will be at work until 1 am tonight so I am voting now. Their confuzzled demeanor seems fake, and over the top.


Votes Zebra

thellama73 wrote:I am fairly willing to trust the Cell and vote young lady today, though, if others agree.

sig wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Lame.

Who did you want to lynch sig?

Yeah MP, I kind of kept up with the thread, but didn't write a great big post.
I noticed Zebra's cheerleader/blondieness and was surprised it took so long for someone to point it out, I think Matt's NO U vote and then explanation was really weird. Eloh and Matt went back and forth and I got nothing from it. I'm null on MP he seems really eager and I'm not sure if that is his civ self or not. I think at least one or two mafia members voted for Zebra she was an easy lynch button and I think people took advantage of that.

If I had to pick between Eloh and Zebra I'd have picked Eloh. However, if I could pick anyone it would be Wilgy for trying to get me lynched when I was silenced.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Most of you zebra voters have some explaining to do. Please respond to my concerns at your convenience.

agleaminranks wrote:Zebra has been posting nonsense that indicates nothing

Nerolunar wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:This game looks interesting.

It really does.

I will be voting for fetch.