The Syndicate

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote: So I was killed because you were "annoyed" with the vouch I made for Canuck?

But SVS lived?-- in retrospect I don't know how I didn't pick up on it.

TBH that's BS.

When half the civs left are vouching for the other half, the game becomes stupidly difficult for the mafia. So the people who vouch get killed to deter others from making the same choice. Canuck's inactivity meant she wasn't an issue for us, but she was still practically a confirmed civ along with you. So you died. A big reason why we killed Rabbit was SVS' vouch for him. MM and LC were killed for being too good at the game, we had reason to believe BR was a dangerous civ, and you've seen why we killed Celestials. Who do people expect the baddies to kill, if not those who pose the biggest threats or cause them the most problems?

This pretty much sums it up. The latter half of the game felt like a lot of people getting lynched because nobody came in and vouched for them. I feel like if we'd just done that from the beginning we could have won.

Great game, Llama!

Vompatti wrote:I'm voting for Bass k

Thank you, Vomp. I kind of hope Vomp wins, he's the only one of you all who's making sense this game.

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:*Sigh*

Since the only people left to vote are one of my suspects, someone who is MIA, and someone who can't be counted on to vote any particular way, I'm clearly not going to be able to tie this up. I'll just go with Bass, because why not.

*Votes Bass*

Confirmed.

What would you rather have me do, Dom? The only way I can tie this is if BR, Canuck, and Vomp all vote the same way as me, which wouldn't happen if I voted for any of them. That's if they all even turn up to vote.

*Sigh*

Since the only people left to vote are one of my suspects, someone who is MIA, and someone who can't be counted on to vote any particular way, I'm clearly not going to be able to tie this up. I'll just go with Bass, because why not.

*Votes Bass*

Dom wrote:

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Hmm, I was sure Canuck had too. I guess since she said she'd do whatever SVS does I just assumed she actually voted as well.

Anyway, I'm going to do a detailed rundown of everyone when I get back in a bit, in order to try to figure out who the baddies are. Apparently that's my only hope at this point.

Interesting.

Why are you lying?

This was to the wrong post.

What I meant to say to DFaraday was that I think Canuck is civ too... so.... ?

Any particular reason why you're so sure about Canuck? Because I'm pretty sure I'm either voting her or BR today. Canuck is the only person I've had time to do a readthrough on, so here's my summary:

Day 2 She has a tiff with JC over JC being blendy. Canuck says she would have probably voted JC, but this is never brought up again.

Day 3 she seems to defend Epi a bit and says she'll vote Vomps, then says she's leaning Epi and doesn't think a Vomp lynch will give us much, THEN actually votes Vomp. She also had very little to say about Zomba.

Day 5 she voted Epi, which is a point in her favor.

Day 6 she voted for Liz, and has done nothing of note since.

As it stands, she hasn't made much mention of two of the baddies, and waffled quite a lot over Epi, but ultimately voted him. She's still a possibility for me, unless Dom can give a really good reason why she can't be bad.

Hmm, I was sure Canuck had too. I guess since she said she'd do whatever SVS does I just assumed she actually voted as well.

Anyway, I'm going to do a detailed rundown of everyone when I get back in a bit, in order to try to figure out who the baddies are. Apparently that's my only hope at this point.

Dom wrote: I do not believe you.

Fair enough, I just don't get why you don't also suspect all the people who voted Bullz after that.

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:
He ignored logic and voted for Bullz to make himself appear civvie despite BR's info poining to Bullz being civv.

I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. You and pretty much everyone else voted for Bullz despite BR's info, so how does that make me the only suspicious one?

SVS, I didn't know about extra votes. Still, I feel like the baddies would have tried to steer the lynch to someone other than another teammate and then used their votes, if nothing else to buy Zomba more time.

No.
I voted before she spelled everything out
You voted after.

Ah, okay, I forgot when you had voted in relation to that. Still, I explained my vote; namely, that I was more suspicious of Bullz than anyone else, so I was going to vote him anyway, because her info could be wrong. I also figured that if Bullz came back bad that BR would be a possible teammate, since I had no opinion of her before that.

Dom wrote:
He ignored logic and voted for Bullz to make himself appear civvie despite BR's info poining to Bullz being civv.

I don't understand why you keep bringing this up. You and pretty much everyone else voted for Bullz despite BR's info, so how does that make me the only suspicious one?

SVS, I didn't know about extra votes. Still, I feel like the baddies would have tried to steer the lynch to someone other than another teammate and then used their votes, if nothing else to buy Zomba more time.

S~V~S wrote:What are your thoughts on Vomps, Faraday?

Given that he ended up tied in what seemed like a blatant save attempt in Zomba's lynch, and that (as I recall) Epi put the tying vote on him, I seriously doubt he's one of the baddies.

EBWOP: Not particularly, she sounds genuine enough, but is still pretty high on my list right now. Is there something in particular you're looking for, Dom?

Edit2: I have one item: The berries I started the game with.

I'm off to tutoring, will be back in a bit.

Dom wrote:BR-- how many items do you have-- just curious. . . asking for a friend?

S~V~S wrote:He vouches for her or he thinks she is civ? And I am also thinking he is likely civ.

The day I inexplicably voted TH it kinda freaked me that Canuck said she would follow my vote. It could have just been one of those things though. She sounded sincerely frustrated.

I sincerely doubt Canuck is bad.

DFaraday wrote: That is not true. I can get very snappy when I'm really bothered by the way someone is playing (I still feel bad for the way I talked to FH in the LOST game). It's really been bothering me that it seems like most of the players have just been voting blindly on everything, and which made me realize how many times I've done this myself in games, and how much I need to improve my playstyle.

Regarding this lynch, I can pretty much rule out Vomp, SVS, and Dom as baddies. Bass is possible, but I'm thinking more the baddies tried to frame Rabbit for his suspicion. For me it's between BR, JC, and Canuck.

Nice try.

Please, elaborate on Black Rock, though.

Since Bullz turned out to be bad, either her info was faulty or she made it up to try to save him. SAince Bullz had been mentioned a few times prior to that lynch I wouldn't be surprised if that's what happened.

Canuck has been impossibly low under the radar, and I know she's busy, but it seems like she doesn't want to be held responsible for anything. JC is really just a matter of numbers; I don't really have anything against her, but someone has to be bad, so she's a possibility.

S~V~S wrote:

DFaraday wrote:And I voted 22nd Street because I don't like how pretty much all of the votes in the game (including the streets) have degenerated into bandwagons, with reasons for voting anything amounting to "someone else voted that way so I will too".

Poor Elo got the worst of it, but it's been rampant since like Day 4.

This post got my eye big time. It has the distinct feel of someone who has been in a chatroom discussing the crappy gameplay of the opposition with his team.

You NEVER have a bitchy tone, Faraday. This post sounds like bitchiness rubbed off on you.

That is not true. I can get very snappy when I'm really bothered by the way someone is playing (I still feel bad for the way I talked to FH in the LOST game). It's really been bothering me that it seems like most of the players have just been voting blindly on everything, and which made me realize how many times I've done this myself in games, and how much I need to improve my playstyle.

Regarding this lynch, I can pretty much rule out Vomp, SVS, and Dom as baddies. Bass is possible, but I'm thinking more the baddies tried to frame Rabbit for his suspicion. For me it's between BR, JC, and Canuck.

And I voted 22nd Street because I don't like how pretty much all of the votes in the game (including the streets) have degenerated into bandwagons, with reasons for voting anything amounting to "someone else voted that way so I will too".

Poor Elo got the worst of it, but it's been rampant since like Day 4.

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:I thought we all had Bass figured out as a civ what with the switch with MM and other things that happened during that period. Anything specific that changed your mind rabbit?

This.

TBH My eye's on DF me thinks.

Can you explain why? I voted for Bullz because I didn't think BR's info was necessarily good (correctly, as it tuns out). You and a bunch of other people voted for Bullz, so I'm not sure why you brought that up to begin with.

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:What is happening then, Dom? It certainly feels like I'm being bandwagoned by people who have no interest in reading my posts.

Who is your alternative then?
You have simply gotten angry that people have voted for you. You have yet to present a suspicion.

DFaraday wrote:As it stands, the only people left I really feel could be the baddies are Bullz, Bass, BR, JC, Dom, and maybe Canuck. I'm feeling good (or at least neutral) about Rabbit, Vomp, and SVS, which leaves the baddies out of the pool I just mentioned.

I don't really have a strong feel for any of them in particular atm (I was looking at Bass, but that whole switch thing with MM has me wondering if he even could be bad). Since the case on Bullz was pretty good and there are a few ways BR's info could be wrong or made up, I'm going to *vote Bullz*

Did you read what Black Rock said?

I did...I'm not sure what you're getting at.

As it stands, the only people left I really feel could be the baddies are Bullz, Bass, BR, JC, Dom, and maybe Canuck. I'm feeling good (or at least neutral) about Rabbit, Vomp, and SVS, which leaves the baddies out of the pool I just mentioned.

I don't really have a strong feel for any of them in particular atm (I was looking at Bass, but that whole switch thing with MM has me wondering if he even could be bad). Since the case on Bullz was pretty good and there are a few ways BR's info could be wrong or made up, I'm going to *vote Bullz*

If what BR is saying is true, that does make things difficult, since Bullz and Dom have been two of the players I think of as potentially bad. If they are in fact civ, then that leaves only a handful of players they could be. I don't think Rabbit is bad, Canuck maybe, JC maybe (but I'm thinking civ). Bass is someone I have no read on, or real memory of in this game aside from that whole swap thing with MM, so I want to look back at him today.

I thought I would be here like an hour ago, but some pretty irritating stuff came up.

I'm...not sure what the case on BWT even is, so I don't want to just vote for him because everyone else is. Bullz was more suspicious to me before, and I haven't had anything change my mind, so I will *vote Bullz*

Turnip Head wrote:How have you felt about Bullzeye's responses to rabbit, Faraday?

Eh, his responses were alright, but not really strong enough to make me convinced he's civ. I don't think Rabbit's points are an airtight case or anything, but he's got me to putting Bullz pretty high on my suspect list.

juliets wrote:I was thinking it was something automatic in his role, something he couldn't control. I don't know BR, I need to think about it more too. Maybe he had an item that if nk'd the first time he wouldn't die but go dormant for a day and a half. That would be a pretty super item though and it doesn't seem like the others have been that good. More little stuff.

I'm pretty sure there's nothing in my role that would account for this. Also, my understanding is that I wasn't NKed at all, apparently I faked my death. As for how this happened, I'm guessing an item, since typically role abilities don't extend for that long, and also that seems like a really weird power for someone to have. I would think maybe it's a secret power, but there aren't any secrets listed in the roles.

Llama: Do any roles have secret abilities not mentioned on the front page?

Turnip Head wrote:Interesting Sounds plausible, but ultimately what would be the benefit of such an occurrence? Who benefits from your temporary death?

No clue. It seems like in effect it was similar to a silencing, but sustained for a night period as well. I guess it took me out of discussion and targeting for awhile, but it's not like I was a major topic of discussion prior to being "rezzed". Now I'm the number one talking point, so, thanks for that, whoever did this.

In other news, my list of suspects hasn't changed much. I think Rabbit makes some good points on Bullz, whom I had been wanting to look at already. I'm not feeling quite as civvie about Dom as TH seems to, but he's not done anything super alarming either. I'm feeling a little uneasy about BWT too, I almost forgot he was playing when I was going through players in my mind.

*Sits up*

Wot hoppen?

L O S T

In seriousness though, I honestly have no idea how this happened. I just knew I'd be "dead" for a day and night, then come back. As far as I know it has nothing to do with my role. Sorry if that's not a satisfying answer, but it's all I know.

Well, I thought the case was convincing but I was wrong. Sorry, Liz!

And voted randomly on the street.

Black Rock wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Sophie wrote:

LizKeen wrote:[quote="Zombarella"]BTW - You are the only other person I've met who watches the Black List. It really is a great show. I covet Liz's hair.

Golden wrote:I watch the blacklist

I covet Tom Keen. I used to think he was nerdy but now that he's a bad boy he's kinda hot. I don't know anyone who watches it but you two.


SVS, you must be getting up as I go to bed.

I'm really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If I don't vote Zombarella and she gets lynched and flips bad then I'm going to be accused of being her teammate. If I vote her and she flips civvie then I'm helping lynch another civvie. This really sucks.

As a civvie you dont have to think in "what looks good", you have to say what you think and claim whatever you think even if it goes against whatever the rest of the thread thinks.
If they wanna lynch you for it, its they loss, they would lynch a civvie. But maybe your thoughts would be revisited later and they could help the civvies.
At least thats how i play when im civ. Thats why im usually a suspicion every game, and thats why y always tend to survive till the late stages of the game, cause the baddies know they can bring me up for suspicion.

The ONLY times i care about "how things look" and try to really appear civvie, is when im bad. As a baddie i try to be consistent and not to say things "out of tune".

I think the best thing to do for civvies is speak their mind even if they get super suspected because of it




Btw, where is daniel faraday??

I am here, it's been a busy week. And today is Early Release, which means I won't be back on here for the rest of the day.

It seems like everything right now is based on behind the scenes shenanigans, assumptions, and taking the word of people, so it's hard to pin anything down. I think Zomba is the most likely to illuminate us though, so I will *vote Zombarella* and if she comes back as a baddie, as I suspect, that will make things clearer.

I decided to start with DF because it was the easiest. Not much there of course but I do have a question for you DF. Were things made clearer for you? If so what did you get from that lynch?[/quote]

I think so, actually. I think it's very unlikely that Vomp is bad considering how that lynch went down. If one baddie is up for lynching, the baddies would try to get someone else lynched, not another member of their own team. Also, Liz has been promoting that idea, and also seemed to be defending Zomba a bit back then.

So I will *vote Liz*

And SVS, you asked before who my suspicions were besides Liz. It's obvious that you are not bad, and Vomp I mentioned already. I feel pretty civvie about a few others, but the question marks for me are Bass, Bullz, BWT, Dom, and JC. I think the other baddies are some combination of those.

I really don't see the case on Vomp. He's acting like he always does, and he was tied in the lynch with Zomba. I feel like the baddies would have tried to steer the lynch onto someone who wasn't on their own team especially with Epi tying it up.

I'm going to look over Liz's posts today, she's still higher on my list.

Ugh, I really wish the polls didn't keep ending while I'm at work. I'm always uneasy with voting cursed people, which makes me lean away from Epi anyway. But I do think Bullz made a pretty good case on Liz. The JC slip especially doesn't sit well with me. On the other hand, Epi hasn't been trying very hard to counter claims made against him. On the OTHER hand, I'm not convinced on LC's case as it stands.

I guess I'll *vote Liz* since I feel more strongly about her.

And I get Friday off, so I can hopefully really wrap my mind around this game over the weekend.

juliets wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

juliets wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:So... who are you thinking of voting for, Faraday?

I'm actually looking at Juliets right now. I feel like she's been rather wishy-washy all game (suspecting then backing off from MP, suggesting voting BF then being talked out of it, not knowing whom to vote for on Day 3). If I can figure out the multi-quoting I'll do that later.

And Sophie is sounding even more sincere in her latest posts to me.

There is a difference between being wishy washy and changing your mind because of discussion. It is not at all against my playstyle to not be decisive about a candidate on one day. I evaluate the evidence and the gut pings that I and others have and sometimes it is hard to decided who to vote. I would bet that almost everyone here has had a hard time deciding who to vote at least once during this game.

I get that, and it's not a hugely damning case in my view, but it's just coming off as a noncommittal game to me. I have to go, so I'll just vote Juliet.

I don't think Sophie or DP are bad, so this lynch isn't going to end well, I fear.

Well if you get what i said, and you've played with me before which you have, you should get that I don't deserve a vote. And you are calling my game non-commital? How would you describe your game?

I'd call my game rather lazy and ill-informed. I know that this is fairly typical for you, it just felt a bit stronger than usual in not being memorable, if that makes sense. If I had actually suspected either DP or Sophie, I would have certainly gone them over you.

Voting Wabash because it sounds funny.

juliets wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:So... who are you thinking of voting for, Faraday?

I'm actually looking at Juliets right now. I feel like she's been rather wishy-washy all game (suspecting then backing off from MP, suggesting voting BF then being talked out of it, not knowing whom to vote for on Day 3). If I can figure out the multi-quoting I'll do that later.

And Sophie is sounding even more sincere in her latest posts to me.

There is a difference between being wishy washy and changing your mind because of discussion. It is not at all against my playstyle to not be decisive about a candidate on one day. I evaluate the evidence and the gut pings that I and others have and sometimes it is hard to decided who to vote. I would bet that almost everyone here has had a hard time deciding who to vote at least once during this game.

I get that, and it's not a hugely damning case in my view, but it's just coming off as a noncommittal game to me. I have to go, so I'll just vote Juliet.

I don't think Sophie or DP are bad, so this lynch isn't going to end well, I fear.

Turnip Head wrote:So... who are you thinking of voting for, Faraday?

I'm actually looking at Juliets right now. I feel like she's been rather wishy-washy all game (suspecting then backing off from MP, suggesting voting BF then being talked out of it, not knowing whom to vote for on Day 3). If I can figure out the multi-quoting I'll do that later.

And Sophie is sounding even more sincere in her latest posts to me.

I'm not really seeing the suspicion of Sophie; I think she just needed a lot of time to catch up. I'm not sure why she keeps bringing me up though.

Dom and Epi both sound pretty normal to me right now, and people are talking about DP, but he posts so little as to not even have a playstyle that I'm aware of.

I voted for Van Buren again because that's where I started, and I don't want to leave. The fact that so many other people are suddenly voting it makes me uneasy though.

Re: the last lynch, it's certainly possible that there was a save, so I'm not sure why some players want to rule it out so quickly. You can say it would be too obvious, but that dives straight into WIFOM territory.

Rabbit's theory is intriguing as well, but at the moment I'm more inclined to think Vomp was a civ scapegoat.

Sophie wrote:

LizKeen wrote:[quote="Zombarella"]BTW - You are the only other person I've met who watches the Black List. It really is a great show. I covet Liz's hair.

Golden wrote:I watch the blacklist

I covet Tom Keen. I used to think he was nerdy but now that he's a bad boy he's kinda hot. I don't know anyone who watches it but you two.


SVS, you must be getting up as I go to bed.

I'm really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If I don't vote Zombarella and she gets lynched and flips bad then I'm going to be accused of being her teammate. If I vote her and she flips civvie then I'm helping lynch another civvie. This really sucks.

As a civvie you dont have to think in "what looks good", you have to say what you think and claim whatever you think even if it goes against whatever the rest of the thread thinks.
If they wanna lynch you for it, its they loss, they would lynch a civvie. But maybe your thoughts would be revisited later and they could help the civvies.
At least thats how i play when im civ. Thats why im usually a suspicion every game, and thats why y always tend to survive till the late stages of the game, cause the baddies know they can bring me up for suspicion.

The ONLY times i care about "how things look" and try to really appear civvie, is when im bad. As a baddie i try to be consistent and not to say things "out of tune".

I think the best thing to do for civvies is speak their mind even if they get super suspected because of it




Btw, where is daniel faraday??[/quote]

I am here, it's been a busy week. And today is Early Release, which means I won't be back on here for the rest of the day.

It seems like everything right now is based on behind the scenes shenanigans, assumptions, and taking the word of people, so it's hard to pin anything down. I think Zomba is the most likely to illuminate us though, so I will *vote Zombarella* and if she comes back as a baddie, as I suspect, that will make things clearer.

Turnip Head wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi is certainly taking an interesting approach to defending himself. I was thinking of voting MM, but Epi's behavior is giving me pause.

Linki MP: I didn't read into it. I thought Mongoose was joking and Liz seemed to think she meant it.

For the record, Epig's reactions are a result of the item I hold (a bottle), not necessarily true.

Ah, that does make more sense. But I will still consider LC's case against Epi a bit more before deciding where to vote.

LC literally stated his case on Epi and voted for Epi in the same breath. Didn't even wait to hear Epi's response or the responses of others. Does that seem like a genuine case?

It does seem rather shady, and it does lend some credence to the idea that LC is trying to save his teammate MM.

Bah, I need to stop wavering back and forth. I think there's a more solid case for MM, so I'll just go ahead and *vote MM*

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi is certainly taking an interesting approach to defending himself. I was thinking of voting MM, but Epi's behavior is giving me pause.

Linki MP: I didn't read into it. I thought Mongoose was joking and Liz seemed to think she meant it.

For the record, Epig's reactions are a result of the item I hold (a bottle), not necessarily true.

Ah, that does make more sense. But I will still consider LC's case against Epi a bit more before deciding where to vote.

Epi is certainly taking an interesting approach to defending himself. I was thinking of voting MM, but Epi's behavior is giving me pause.

Linki MP: I didn't read into it. I thought Mongoose was joking and Liz seemed to think she meant it.

Long Con wrote:One thing that does make me possibly doubt Metalmarsh is a baddie is that he and BR have a recent history with regard to Night 1 kills of BR by MM's baddie team. BR got revenge on him in Donner Mafia, killing him as soon as she got a chance to, and I just don't know if I believe he'd be so eager to jump back into killing her on Night 1 again. I mean, he's an asshole, sure, but is he 100% a dick?

But I do think the case against him is solid, and I would be willing to vote him.

Re: Dom, I don't think Dom is playing oddly. Seems typical to me.

I'm sorry, Llama! I intend not to miss another vote this game.

And RIP BF. I think this was just a situation that spiraled out of control.

Also, I will vote Van Buren St., in honor of the 8th President of the United States and his magnificent sideburns.

Ugh, all this BF/Golden/SVS/Bullz/Zomberella/Whoever Else stuff is mind boggling. As it stands to me though, I think BF was probably an overexcited civ who made a bad decision. I don't think a baddie would create such a spectacle around themselves. I don't really see anyone in this conflict as particularly suspicious, just a whole lot of butting heads.

I do think it was a bit odd for Dom to specifically point out "us", but not enough to find him actively suspicious.

What I'm most concerned about is that so any people have already voted with so much time left in the lynch. I'm thinking at least one or two of the voters are trying to avoid responsibility, either by self voting or by jumping on the BF bandwagon.

EBWOP: MM, I don't think anyone is picking on you, since it is noteworthy when people vote for themselves. But since you do this a lot, I'm less inclined to think you bad for it here.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Sorry, quote fail. Asked if yall are RL friends.

Yeah, Zomb is a fellow member of my first-year Accounting PhD cohort at UTSA.

I just dropped by UTSA today, think I might have seen President Romo at the JPL.

I don't find MP suspicious for his earlier comments, nor do I think BR was suspicious for bringing it up. It was something worth mentioning, but not so very much to convince me MP is sinister.

Apparently my berries were useless as well. On the plus side, they didn't kill me.

Golden wrote:Oh, I hadn't even clicked there were less things than people. By my count, rabbit may not be the last to check in either?

Yes, now that I checked, it appears to be 21 items and 25 players.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm not familiar with Harry Stephen Keeler either so I'm hoping that won't matter.

No one is familiar with Harry Stephen Keeler. He's the most obscure guy ever. But if you are smart, you will seek out and read his books because they are worth it.

He clearly had a gift for creating amazing character names, if nothing else.

And as I'm apparently the last person to check in, I guess I'm getting berries.