The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: And Lorab, good instincts, I was pleased that no one listened to you.

Thanks. And good play. There were what, 4 of us in this game that were playing back then: You, me, BR, and Illy (also Daisy, but she was already dead at that point). I didn't remember off hand, I checked DD's old spreadsheet. BR never liked the self-kill play from her team last time. Illy was playing a quiet game. And I'm suspish enough in any given game on here (including this one), that no one is going to actually listen to me when I mention the possibility. I'm glad I mentioned it. It at least made me feel better for considering the possibility.

Go civies!!

Good game, all.

And huh, so I was right about LC.

And then he moved back to me.

And still hasn't posted.

He can't be silenced, because he voted....so I just don't get it.

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:And now switching to me, without a post, and for no explained reason.

I think Ika just earned my vote.

Either decide not to be involved, but then actually don't play. It's not ok to use your vote and then not actually post about it or your reasons. Not to mention defending.

*votes Ika*
I don't think that's wise. He's being cheeky. He did the same thing to me. Please go back to MM.

Because I trust you, I will. Even if I don't think my vote will make a difference in either direction.

That said, I don't trust Ika. Why hasn't he posted, but changed his vote multiple times?

And now switching to me, without a post, and for no explained reason.

I think Ika just earned my vote.

Either decide not to be involved, but then actually don't play. It's not ok to use your vote and then not actually post about it or your reasons. Not to mention defending.

*votes Ika*

Hey ika: care to explain why you moved your vote and why you moved it to illy?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Ah, but I see that Scotty said somewhere else he has 2 shows today, so that could explain the inactivity somewhat.

Still, he did make such a post somewhere else and not here.

Scotty and ika have both posted elsewhere. Hrm.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh well, might as well get this over with.

I would prefer lynching one of the two mafia roles, because going into the night phase with both of them still alive is not a "safe" option in my opnion.

So you're voting yourself?

But seriously, if you truly aren't mafia, then who do you think the remaining baddies are?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Scotty wrote:Yo LoRab, let's say Wilgy checked both of us and neither of us had BTSC.

Let's also say that one of the three people Wilgy checked had BTSC and they were civ with BTSC.

How would that make you feel about your current voting suspicions, if this were true?
That's the main point that makes me hesitant about you. MM's posts this past RL day have made me feel worse about him and my vote may go in that direction.
It's these kinds of posts that make me think "She's bad."

What specifically about MM's posts this past day made you feel worse? What did he say? Why?

Just vaguely nodding and going, "He made me feel worse" makes me feel worse about you.
Sorry, I had about 5 minutes to be able to post and didn't have time to elaborate.

In short, it's partly tone and partly that he's gone back and forth on everyone, seemingly hopping onto whatever name comes up at a given moment. His accusations and posts read as disingenuous to me.
Alright Lorab, this is a post you made about me yesterday, and the first accusation I could find from you against me all game.

I have not been hopping onto whatever name comes up, seemingly or otherwise. I do try to make a meaningful vote on a daily basis... usually.

Why do you think it's bad to "jump on lynch trains"? I know lynching a civilians isn't a good thing, and it doesn't look great when a player does it, but in my opinion, it looks worse to not have any part in lynches, regardless of who is lynched. Constantly placing your vote elsewhere is worse because that means you are avoiding getting your hands dirty. This is a common mafia strategy, and Sorsha is a perfect example of this.

Looking back, the day that you were supposed to be lynched, Sorsha didn't vote on either of the bandwagons, but voted for Long Con.

I was talking more about your posts than your votes. In my reading, you latch onto the suspicion of the day--and then vote wherever. And yes, I find that suspicious. You can explain how different players play all you want--I do understand the game, thanks--but different people use different methods.

Interesting how you turn my suspicion around onto what mafia strategy actually is (because, you know, mafia never uses bandwagons to hide), and then point out that sorsha didn't vote on a bandwagon in the lynch in which I wasn't lynched. Really nice way to take suspicion and try to make it not be about you at all.

Nice switcheroo.

Voted MM.

I don't want to forget to vote later in the day. I should be around most of the day, at least on and off.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hi deadies.

I see that no living player came by. Probably for the better, because my 1 hour climbing session turned into 4 hours, and I'm home later than anticipated and exhausted.
So, in your exhaustion, do you want to tell us all how you're bad?
The problem with this is that it would require I am mafia.

Why do you think I'm bad?

Because of your posts, because reasons I've said, because reasons other have said, because of the baddie role you were given in your initial host pm.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hi deadies.

I see that no living player came by. Probably for the better, because my 1 hour climbing session turned into 4 hours, and I'm home later than anticipated and exhausted.

So, in your exhaustion, do you want to tell us all how you're bad?

Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:
ika wrote:
Illyria wrote: ^^ THIS. Ika, you are making it very difficult to believe that you are a Confused Civvie.
THEN FUCKIGN VOTE ME TOMMORW THE FACT EVERYONE FUCKINS SUSPECTS ME MAGICALY NOW IS FUCKING BULLSHIT. LITYL EVERYONE SOMEHOW WENT FROM IM TOW TO SCM IN A MATTER OF WHAT? HRS? MINUITES? ONE GOD DAMN POST?

EVERYOEN IS CALLING ME SCUM SO THEREFORE I MUST BE CONFIRMED SCUM. LETS FUCKING VOTE ME TOMMORW AND SEE WHERE THAT LANDS US OK?
I want to be kind, but this post makes me suspect you more. The suspicion of you isn't from no where; you've been mentioned for days.

And during the last lynch, when you made a similar post, everyone stepped back from you. I wonder if you aren't trying to use the same philosophy and seeing if it works a second time.

linkitis: MM, Ika, or Scotty. Because they are the 3 I suspect most. MM's posts haven't made me feel any better about him since they started making me feel suspious of him last round. Ika, see above. And Scotty I've been suspish of for a while. Claiming to have a non-power role in a game where there is no such thing doesn't help my feelings on him.
Well at least you've narrowed it down to 3/4 people.
Assuming my assumptions are correct on my civ reads, then only 1 of those 3 people is civ. So, yeah.
Cool. Then vote with me for MM. You know you wanna

I'm leaning in that direction at the moment.

Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:
ika wrote:
Illyria wrote: ^^ THIS. Ika, you are making it very difficult to believe that you are a Confused Civvie.
THEN FUCKIGN VOTE ME TOMMORW THE FACT EVERYONE FUCKINS SUSPECTS ME MAGICALY NOW IS FUCKING BULLSHIT. LITYL EVERYONE SOMEHOW WENT FROM IM TOW TO SCM IN A MATTER OF WHAT? HRS? MINUITES? ONE GOD DAMN POST?

EVERYOEN IS CALLING ME SCUM SO THEREFORE I MUST BE CONFIRMED SCUM. LETS FUCKING VOTE ME TOMMORW AND SEE WHERE THAT LANDS US OK?
I want to be kind, but this post makes me suspect you more. The suspicion of you isn't from no where; you've been mentioned for days.

And during the last lynch, when you made a similar post, everyone stepped back from you. I wonder if you aren't trying to use the same philosophy and seeing if it works a second time.

linkitis: MM, Ika, or Scotty. Because they are the 3 I suspect most. MM's posts haven't made me feel any better about him since they started making me feel suspious of him last round. Ika, see above. And Scotty I've been suspish of for a while. Claiming to have a non-power role in a game where there is no such thing doesn't help my feelings on him.
Well at least you've narrowed it down to 3/4 people.

Assuming my assumptions are correct on my civ reads, then only 1 of those 3 people is civ. So, yeah.

ika wrote:
Illyria wrote: ^^ THIS. Ika, you are making it very difficult to believe that you are a Confused Civvie.
THEN FUCKIGN VOTE ME TOMMORW THE FACT EVERYONE FUCKINS SUSPECTS ME MAGICALY NOW IS FUCKING BULLSHIT. LITYL EVERYONE SOMEHOW WENT FROM IM TOW TO SCM IN A MATTER OF WHAT? HRS? MINUITES? ONE GOD DAMN POST?

EVERYOEN IS CALLING ME SCUM SO THEREFORE I MUST BE CONFIRMED SCUM. LETS FUCKING VOTE ME TOMMORW AND SEE WHERE THAT LANDS US OK?

I want to be kind, but this post makes me suspect you more. The suspicion of you isn't from no where; you've been mentioned for days.

And during the last lynch, when you made a similar post, everyone stepped back from you. I wonder if you aren't trying to use the same philosophy and seeing if it works a second time.

linkitis: MM, Ika, or Scotty. Because they are the 3 I suspect most. MM's posts haven't made me feel any better about him since they started making me feel suspious of him last round. Ika, see above. And Scotty I've been suspish of for a while. Claiming to have a non-power role in a game where there is no such thing doesn't help my feelings on him.

Epignosis wrote:I spent this afternoon reading through Lorab, because I was determined to come into Day 9 voting for her, but I can't rush the decision. I have some lingering doubts about her guilt.

You remaining gentlemen are going to get the full brunt of my eye.

Listen to those doubts. They speak the truth.

Scotty wrote:
I don't know. I'm no power role, so I don't know shit.

There's only one vanilla role in this game and that was bubbles. So, what role are you claiming exactly? Or are you saying you have Btsc? Which negates that you've been implying that Wilgy was correct. And you are not likely Matt's partner which would have given a no Btsc show before they found each other because you have him the final vote. So what role exactly are you claiming?

ika wrote:mod will there be a no-lynch option?

Why would that be a good idea and is there even such a thing. I have never seen that. Nor would o be enthusiastic about ever playing with that option.

Sorry I missed the plea for me to change my vote. I was teaching. I'd have likely moved it to Matt, as he was a complete question mark for me and I feel Epi is civ.

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Scotty wrote:Yo LoRab, let's say Wilgy checked both of us and neither of us had BTSC.

Let's also say that one of the three people Wilgy checked had BTSC and they were civ with BTSC.

How would that make you feel about your current voting suspicions, if this were true?
That's the main point that makes me hesitant about you. MM's posts this past RL day have made me feel worse about him and my vote may go in that direction.
It's these kinds of posts that make me think "She's bad."

What specifically about MM's posts this past day made you feel worse? What did he say? Why?

Just vaguely nodding and going, "He made me feel worse" makes me feel worse about you.
Sorry, I had about 5 minutes to be able to post and didn't have time to elaborate.

In short, it's partly tone and partly that he's gone back and forth on everyone, seemingly hopping onto whatever name comes up at a given moment. His accusations and posts read as disingenuous to me.
I think you've just described yourself to a T.

I'm a different player. That's irrelevant to my feelings on other players.

Also, that's not what I've done. I didn't post day 7, for instance, that you (Epi) are probably civ and then go after you today. I've been unsure about a number of players and when names have come up I've considered them and gone with my thoughts on them. I have a few players I believe are civ--the others are question marks.

I also know that I'm not bad. and i'll vote for anyone other than myself to save myself because at least with another player, there is a chance of lynching a baddie. You are the third player with multiple votes--would you rather I vote for you?

linkitis: I'm not sure why you don't like my suspicion. As for your question, If I were out of the equation, I would probably at this moment vote for MM or scotty, for reasons stated. I'd consider Ika, as well, also for reasons stated. I'd read up more on Matt, because he's my biggest question mark.

Also, while I suspect Scotty, the fact that Wilgy implied he had checked him gives me enough pause at this moment in time to not vote for him.

Voting MM for now because self preservation and because I really don't think Epig is bad.

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Scotty wrote:Yo LoRab, let's say Wilgy checked both of us and neither of us had BTSC.

Let's also say that one of the three people Wilgy checked had BTSC and they were civ with BTSC.

How would that make you feel about your current voting suspicions, if this were true?
That's the main point that makes me hesitant about you. MM's posts this past RL day have made me feel worse about him and my vote may go in that direction.
It's these kinds of posts that make me think "She's bad."

What specifically about MM's posts this past day made you feel worse? What did he say? Why?

Just vaguely nodding and going, "He made me feel worse" makes me feel worse about you.

Sorry, I had about 5 minutes to be able to post and didn't have time to elaborate.

In short, it's partly tone and partly that he's gone back and forth on everyone, seemingly hopping onto whatever name comes up at a given moment. His accusations and posts read as disingenuous to me.

Scotty wrote:Yo LoRab, let's say Wilgy checked both of us and neither of us had BTSC.

Let's also say that one of the three people Wilgy checked had BTSC and they were civ with BTSC.

How would that make you feel about your current voting suspicions, if this were true?

That's the main point that makes me hesitant about you. MM's posts this past RL day have made me feel worse about him and my vote may go in that direction.

Dom wrote:What if Tom was blackmailed?

Are you suggesting that by Day 3, Mafia found out who had Tom's role and blackmailed that player to switch a vote to save me or to switch a vote to lynch DF?

Either is possible but unlikely.

And, regardless, doesn't really say anything about me.

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:Not sure how to answer that without info dumping. But it's an assumption I'm making based on my own knowledge.
Then why wouldn't the mafia just kill you?

I don't konw what their nk priorities or strategy has been. But they seem to have been doing a great job controlling all of the lynches except for 1, so I'd argue that they're using lynches as kills.

Also possible that they see me as easier to lynch than their nk targets, since I've been mislynched on this site a lot and am easy to get a bandwagon going against on this site because I'm frequently misread as bad, so they figured they'd go with keeping me around for lynching.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:What are the reasons you're not bad?
Read any of my defense posts, in which I talk about points that have been made that others have found suspicious.

And, I'm not bad because the role I was sent isn't a bad role.

But, really, because I've been doing my best to help the civies. I haven't jumped on a number of the lynch trains that have formed. I did have a lynch train formed against me--which at least 1 civie thought was BS based on the fact that I was saved. And I'll make that 2 civies that thought it was BS because of Wilgy (even though no role is infallible, as I point out above).
The problem with this argument, is this is exactly what Sorsha did too. She voted off of several bandwagons, and she had Matt defending against her lynch, though I guess in this case I don't think he is a civilian.

Speaking of redirects, what if the mafia got a hold of a lynch switch the day you were supposed to be lynched. You said we can't be sure about Scotty because of the potential for redirects, but we also can't be sure that a civilian switched the lynch from you.

LoRab wrote:Also, and I know this is WIFOM, but look at the kills. Do those really look like choices that I would advocate? Even knowing that any 1 baddie only has so much of a voice on a team, I don't think any of the choices are ones with which I would remotely agree to.

And I also know that the baddies probably know my role by now and would be quite happy to lynch me. So, the fact that people keep mentioning my name for amorphous reasons--some of those folks have to be bad and are trying to keep things in that direction.
Yeah that's WIFOM. :P

The only thing that's been brought against me is my votes. I've explained all my votes. Without saying what I've said, I'm not sure how to defend. How would you have me defend?

I can't really help if what I'm saying is similar to a completely different player who was bad also happened to have been saying.

And, it's true, the mafia could have gotten a hold of and used a lynch switch in that lynch. I admit in my post that the possibility of shenanigans in anything exists. Please don't try to paint it as I'm saying that it proves anything about me. That said, the mafia switching the lynch wouldn't even necessarily mean that I'm bad.

And I know it can be read as WIFOM--that's why I pointed it out. But, the fact is, that sometimes, the wine in front of you is just wine.

Not sure how to answer that without info dumping. But it's an assumption I'm making based on my own knowledge.

Dom wrote:What are the reasons you're not bad?

Read any of my defense posts, in which I talk about points that have been made that others have found suspicious.

And, I'm not bad because the role I was sent isn't a bad role.

But, really, because I've been doing my best to help the civies. I haven't jumped on a number of the lynch trains that have formed. I did have a lynch train formed against me--which at least 1 civie thought was BS based on the fact that I was saved. And I'll make that 2 civies that thought it was BS because of Wilgy (even though no role is infallible, as I point out above).

Also, and I know this is WIFOM, but look at the kills. Do those really look like choices that I would advocate? Even knowing that any 1 baddie only has so much of a voice on a team, I don't think any of the choices are ones with which I would remotely agree to.

And I also know that the baddies probably know my role by now and would be quite happy to lynch me. So, the fact that people keep mentioning my name for amorphous reasons--some of those folks have to be bad and are trying to keep things in that direction.

Dom wrote:LoRab, what do you think of the points about it being unlikely that Scotty is bad?

The one that has stuck out is that Wilgy implied he didn't have BTSC. But what if there was a redirect that effected his information? Or what if we're misinterpreting his posts? And yes, I realize the same could be said for his posts about me--but I think there are other reasons to see that I'm not bad.

Are there other reasons why it's unlikely he's bad, though, that I'm missing (or not remembering right now)?

Because I'm not bad.

Epignosis wrote:The Day phase ends tomorrow. I'm not completely sure my vote is going to stay where it is, and I think making turning this into a dilemma for the other voters (Epi or Lorab) is dangerous and premature. I intend to work things out as much as I can, and then encourage people to vote the person I think is bad.

I'm laughing at myself for actually thinking that this was Wednesday when I looked at the poll. I'll move my vote off you.

Voted epi because self preservation. I don't necessarily think he's bad, but I know that I'm not bad, and therefore it's what I need to do.

I'd rather vote Scotty. Or possibly Ika--his posts are making me increasingly uncomfortable.

I'll try to stick around for the next couple of hours, but not sure I'll be able to be on much. I'm not bad. I have no idea how to convince anyone of that. But please don't vote for me.

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:I'm not bad.

Epig hasn't really given a case why he thinks I am, other than that I've been playing a low key game. Which really has nothing to do with the fact that I'm bad and everything to do with the fact that I'm busy.
That's false. Your voting record.

My voting record doesn't say much--and you seem to conclude as much in your analysis of it a few days ago.

A bunch of speculation about how I might have chosen votes doesn't say anything.

Also, is your voting record any better?

I'm not bad.

Epig hasn't really given a case why he thinks I am, other than that I've been playing a low key game. Which really has nothing to do with the fact that I'm bad and everything to do with the fact that I'm busy.

Epignosis wrote:Here they are, just to remind you:

Epignosis wrote:
Matt wrote:Wilgy was a btsc checker tho, right? If he essentially cleared Scotty, which it seems he did, then that would mean his assumed btsc check on Scotty came out negative.

Unless you believe there were shenanigans involving either Wilgy's assumed btsc check OR Wilgy was just causing shenanigans himself.

Epi, when Sorsha was lynched, you had your vote on Long Con before you moved it last second, right?
That is correct. And it would have stayed there, I will admit, until Sorsha moved her vote.

That brings me to my shower revelation: Lorab had her vote on LC too.

DrWilgy
1
LoRab (17)
4%

++++

Missed vote. Sorsha voted Bubbles.

++++

Missed vote. Sorsha voted Long Con.

++++

Nerolunar
6
Epignosis (3), Illyria (5), Black Rock (7), Long Con (8), Sorsha (10), LoRab (16)
30%

++++

Long Con
2
Dom (10), LoRab (15)
11%

Sorsha moved her vote off LC to vote Illyria.

++++

Scotty
1
LoRab (17)
6%

++++

In the interest of being thorough, these are Lorab's votes so far. Nothing terribly inspiring. If the mafia didn't kill their own teammate, then the Long Con votes could have been an attempt to save Sorsha, but Matt was stinking up the thread farting Illyria's name over and over. Can a fart even sound like "Illyria?" Somehow I don't think it can. Her voting Illyria (if she were around) would look too fishy if Illyria got lynched and turned out to be good.

My point is that Lorab has stayed on the sidelines largely, like Sorsha, and if your thinking is that mafia let civilians lynch each other, that's what she's doing if she's bad.

Yes, I know what DrWilgy said. A gentlemen still must cogitate aloud.

1: I had minor eye twitching at Wilgy, based on his posting which seemed overly in a character, to the point of not offering any realy thoughts, as opposed to just posting

2: I was travelling in Texas for a wedding and visiting friends, and completely lost track of time and of there being a vote

3: I thought the lynch ended later than it did

4: It was the first night of Passover, and in prep for the holiday and the holiday itself, I did not have the chance to get online

5: Nero was the suspect that seemed the most suspicious at that time. His vote for me, previously, was out of the blue and he just said that he was convinced and it read to me like jumping on the chosen bandwagon. That was suspish to me, so I voted for him.

6: I didn't really have an opinion on Sorsha, and BR had posted about suspecting LC. Her reads of him tend to be spot on, and I give them much credence. Therefore, I voted for him.

7: I suspected Scotty. I still do.

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I voted you, Lorab. I think Tom screwed up saving you.
Care to explain why?

And no, he didn't. And no, Wilgy wasn't wrong on me. I am civ. So, really, if you explain why you think I'm bad, that would be great. Because I don't particularly want to die and because I would really like to see a civ win, and that becames less and less likely with each civ lynch.
And the main reason is this. You don't act like you really want to see a civilian win. You've been on the sidelines, not provoking anything, not really getting your hands dirty. You're behaving just like Sorsha, who was bad- coasting by.

I haven't had time to put enough time into the game to have strong opinions. Especially with the lynches clearly being led by (even if subtly led by) the baddies, it's hard to have strong convictions, or be able to really expand on those thoughts. And that Sorsha was coasting by is a statement on Sorsha, not on me. I'm also playing a quiet game, that doesn't mean I play the same kind of game as anyone else.

Epignosis wrote:I voted you, Lorab. I think Tom screwed up saving you.

Care to explain why?

And no, he didn't. And no, Wilgy wasn't wrong on me. I am civ. So, really, if you explain why you think I'm bad, that would be great. Because I don't particularly want to die and because I would really like to see a civ win, and that becames less and less likely with each civ lynch.

Illyria wrote:Fucking hell y'all are cracking me UP right now.

LoRab you were who I missed! I kept looking at my list, then the lynch poll, and saying out loud "Who IS IT? WHO IS MISSSSSIIIING?" until I just gave up.

As of right now I am going to put you in BOTH the possible civ and possible Mafia categories. I just... can not.. figure you out.

So.. situation normal.

Epignosis wrote:I'm going to study Lorab, Matt, and MM more today.

Study away!! Please let me know what you think of me.

Illy--I keep forgetting to ask. Why did you leave me off this list?

Illyria wrote:I am voting Sorsha based on Lady Edith's post and the fact that I believe the mafia is just hanging around the edges watching us pick each other off one by one.

Also, Ika wth?

I have to leave soon, so if there is a giant fuck up and I am lynched here is what I think, take it or leave it.

Civs:
Epi
BR

Possible Civs:
Matt
Scotty
Llama
MetalMarsh

Mafia:
LC
Dom
Sorsha

Possible Mafia
Ika

I think it is interesting that I announce I have to leave at 3 and right around then votes. What a classic civvie move.

I don't vote with bandwagons unless I agree with them. I put my votes where I think they should go. It is why I only vote once and towards the end of the lynch.
I did not know I missed two votes, and was horrified when I did, it is disrespectful to the host and the players. I was here and posted in the thread for one of them at least.
I do a lot of OT, that is how I roll. It will never change.

Y'all are convicting me on my personality not my playstyle. Which is utter bullshit.

BTW, those of you who are voting for me. If I do die today, we are past the point where you can shrug and be all "What could we dooooo? Wooooe is mmmmeeeeee" as an excuse about it. You will distract us from YET ANOTHER MAFIA LYNCH. You will move yourselves up the list and the Mafia down. AGAIN.

Please y'all please be smart about this. You are allowing the Mafia to sit back and watch as we destroy ourselves.

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im done here, im nto posting for rest of day, god damn fucking myslynch me already

I hope that you feel better when you come back to the game. I assure you, no one was personally attacking you--just accusing you of being bad. It can be hard to not take accusations personally, but please remember that the game is just a game and that people's posts are about people's characters, not their actual character.

ika wrote:
LoRab wrote:
ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:ika insists that he knows that civilians only need the lynch to be successful. Nowhere was I disputing that. However, since he raises that point, ika's votes are:

Turf Wars, ika insisted we kill Silverwolf. MCS, ika insisted his team kill Silverwolf.

I don't think the mafia would have thought to kill Silverwolf Night 1 as a means of framing ika. The MCS one even occurred after the Downton one.

Question: If you don't believe ika killed Silverwolf, who among the living would think to kill her Night 1?
two things:

1) you said civies lose to lack of PR play. you said no toher reason so nice try on backtracking

2) anyone who played/saw turf and how we acted towards each ohter here evn know that we were stongly town reading each ohter and that its a perfect opertunity to not only demoralized me, but make a me a easy myslynch. to answer the question you would kill her.

i know wht he said i was cleared now. he lie checked me n1 about killign silver
That would be a poor choice of what to LD, and he's smarter than that. All that says is that you didn't carry out the kill, as Epi points out. Also, I don't think confirmed civ means what you think it means.

Epignosis wrote:Three people I won't lynch: Dom, Black Rock, Illyria

Three people I would lynch: ika, Matt, Scotty, Lorab, MetalMarsh89,
Your counting skills are confusing me. As is the comma after MetalMarsh89.[/quote

GO READ THE DAMN GAME I WAS 100% INSTENT ON BEING THE ONE TO ENACT IT. SO IF YOU THINK IM JSUT GONNA NOT DO IT BULLSHIT.

I'm saying that I don't believe everything that anyone posts in a game. You may have said that, but you may have been lying. Also, I don't know how the kills work in this game or who carries them out and how that is determined--do you have that information?

ika wrote:oh btw epis sig has been posted elsewhere and is borderline OGC doing that

What is OGC?

ika wrote:
Epignosis wrote:ika insists that he knows that civilians only need the lynch to be successful. Nowhere was I disputing that. However, since he raises that point, ika's votes are:

Turf Wars, ika insisted we kill Silverwolf. MCS, ika insisted his team kill Silverwolf.

I don't think the mafia would have thought to kill Silverwolf Night 1 as a means of framing ika. The MCS one even occurred after the Downton one.

Question: If you don't believe ika killed Silverwolf, who among the living would think to kill her Night 1?
two things:

1) you said civies lose to lack of PR play. you said no toher reason so nice try on backtracking

2) anyone who played/saw turf and how we acted towards each ohter here evn know that we were stongly town reading each ohter and that its a perfect opertunity to not only demoralized me, but make a me a easy myslynch. to answer the question you would kill her.

i know wht he said i was cleared now. he lie checked me n1 about killign silver

That would be a poor choice of what to LD, and he's smarter than that. All that says is that you didn't carry out the kill, as Epi points out. Also, I don't think confirmed civ means what you think it means.

Epignosis wrote:Three people I won't lynch: Dom, Black Rock, Illyria

Three people I would lynch: ika, Matt, Scotty, Lorab, MetalMarsh89,

Your counting skills are confusing me. As is the comma after MetalMarsh89.

Epignosis wrote:Lorab, say a thing.

A thing.

Seriously, though. Not sure what to say. My deep thoughts went to sleep a few hours ago. And now I'm trying to figure out how it is that we've lynched yet another civ, and who exactly is nefariousness leading us in that direction over and over.

Voting Scotty. I have lingering suspicion from earlier in the game, mainly based on him somewhat pushing a bandwagon on me. If Llama isn't around to defend points made on him, I'm not ready to vote in that direction. No one else is really popping out at me at this moment. And I don't want to forget to vote.

Dom wrote:Illy, I hate god damned insanifiers too.
LoRab wrote:Personally, mainly because I'm stubborn, I'm not putting it outside the realm of possibility that LC was bad and his team killed him to protect his identity, seeing that his lynch seemed inevitable. What that means for this new lynch, I'm not sure. But I'm not buying that LC was civ. If he was, killing him would make no sense for the baddies.
I do not think this is what happened. At all. LC was civ.

I don't think it's the most likely thing that happened, I just think it's in the realm of possibility.

That said, it doesn't really help with figuring out who to lynch this round.

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:Personally, mainly because I'm stubborn, I'm not putting it outside the realm of possibility that LC was bad and his team killed him to protect his identity, seeing that his lynch seemed inevitable. What that means for this new lynch, I'm not sure. But I'm not buying that LC was civ. If he was, killing him would make no sense for the baddies.
Killing him regardless makes no sense from a strategic standpoint.

I've seen it happen. And your logic of what makes sense is not necessarily the same as others' logic.

Personally, mainly because I'm stubborn, I'm not putting it outside the realm of possibility that LC was bad and his team killed him to protect his identity, seeing that his lynch seemed inevitable. What that means for this new lynch, I'm not sure. But I'm not buying that LC was civ. If he was, killing him would make no sense for the baddies.

ika wrote:scums are in longcon/llama/matt/dom

i think the former 2 then the later being the last

Unless there's something you know that the rest of us don't about the baddies recruiting, then there are only 2 baddies left.

Matt wrote:What does everyone think of Lorab voting for a presumed curse person now that we know the other top candidate was a mafia?

What do you think about responding to my answers to your posts about me earlier?

Also, that Sorsha was bad does not mean that LC was not also bad.

Also, at the time I voted, another vote on Sorsha wouldn't have made a difference. I was personally more suspish of LC, so I voted that way.

Matt wrote:Looking over Illy's last few posts...

She addresses everything thrown at her by me

EXCEPT

THE

BIG

ONE

Her lies about flip flopping!!! She hasn't even touched that with a response!

Vote Illy '16!!!

Linki - Well at least someone addressed the lies.

Also, I remember when I was catching up and doing some ISO's, you and ika struck me as odd with your convos early in the game, I don't quite recall exactly what it was.

But I'm puttin' that on the backburner for an Illy lynch! Woot!

If you decide what you think was odd, let me know. I have no connection to Ika this game.

Matt wrote:Oh shit.

Oh snap.

Did Lorab just vote Long Con, who is presumed to be cursed?

I believe I've literally seen Lorab lecture people for voting silenced/cursed people.

What up with that Lorab?

I usually don't vote for silenced or extremely cursed players, unless I believe that they are bad and like them better than other options for that lynch. In this case, I feel there was reason to suspect him in a way that he wouldn't have been able to defend. Also, it was speculated in the thread that he could have been faking the curse, and I thought that argument had some good reasoning behind it.

Matt wrote:Who wants to CFD Lorab? Anyone? Bueller?

What does CFD mean?

Epignosis wrote:
Matt wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Matt wrote:Who wants to CFD Lorab? Anyone? Bueller?
It's bad that you don't stick to your convictions.

It's even worse when you do.
So you think it's in civ character for Lorab to vote for a cursed person?
If Lorab is the one phoning in the curses, then I don't see why she would be in the mood to lecture.

I'm actually phoning in an entirely different civ role, but I appreciate the support.

And is it in my baddie pattern to vote for a cursed person, Matt? It's not something I often do. But sometimes I see reason to do it.

Matt wrote:Let's CFD ika. And if he flips bad, we get Lorab next.

What exactly is the connection you're making between Ika and me?

And I think you're completely wrong about Illy. Nor do I think she lied--I think you're interpreting what she said in a much more specific way than she intended, or than the way I read it initially, or reread it after you posted your point of view. Her play this game is consistant with her civie game. I do not believe she is bad.

And voting LC.

If BR is suspecting LC, that gives me good reason to consider that vote.

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