The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Voted Long Con

Sorry, LC I just do not believe you.

Can you let us know specifically what it was that I said that you did not believe?

This is some of the first stuff I've seen about me that actually makes sense to me. I appreciate that you brought it up, though your timing is not that cool - I would have liked to have a chance to discuss these suspicions before I was already vote-leader in a lynch.

One thing that stands out from memory was your certainty that zebra was bad. When I questioned you about that certainty you seemed to back right off her and drop it.

I didn't really have much on her beyond that she was acting sketchy. You asked me "What makes you so sure other than her wacky playstyle this game?" and there was nothing else that stood out. I didn't back off her and drop it though - I said "maybe I'm wrong" because I didn't want to give the impression that it was more than "her wacky playstyle". If I had redone my rainbow list after, she would have still been on or near the bottom.

I thought that was more than odd. Also one of your early posts pinged me. The one about expecting to take votes for being helpful.

Well, that's still a lot less suspicion than I've gotten in other games where I say nothing and do some role analysis. Hell, I've been lynched on Day 1 for it before. It's not the first time I've said that, and it probably won't be the last. Just remember next time that it didn't come from a deceitful place, and that you need not be pinged by it next time because I did it this time as a Civ. At least do that for me.

Also there is another thing.

That other thing could be wrong. But other than that I think these are the civs...

Zebra
Vompatti
Dr Wilgy
Scotty

And these

I am less sure

Long Con
Mac

So according to this it's just you and Mac. This completely falls apart if I am wrong about the civs. But this is how I figured it, by finding the civs.

You think there are only two baddies left? There are two Cannibals and two Pirates that are unaccounted for, aren't there? That makes your Civ list disturbingly optimistic at best. Or... maybe you are the last member left on one of those teams, and so you are a bit more confident that only two other baddies are left? I don't really have much fire left in my belly at this point to be pointing fingers and making accusations, but that one makes some sense at least.

For the sake of self-improvement, here's my advice: I'm a Civ, so you might as well start believing it now so you don't miss opportunities to hone your game. So look at your Civ list again. You are going to find out that (I estimate roughly) two of those people in that list have totally fleeced you. Analyze why you think they are Civ... maybe take some notes. That way, when this game is done, you'll be better equipped to see through their lies in the future, and you won't have to vote for me because you trust me too much.

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Voted Long Con

Sorry, LC I just do not believe you.

Can you let us know specifically what it was that I said that you did not believe?

Long Con wrote:Whatever you guys. I don't know what it takes with you, don't ever ask me for the benefit of the doubt, and I won't waste my time posting next time - I'll just bust out lazy one-liners and end every sentence with 'k' and not really participate. Apparently that's how to look Civ these days, I miss the old days when making sense and actually trying to play the game meant something.

Long Con wrote:

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Half the votes in already. Nice. If the other four come in, I'll get you a lovely Night post before I have to leave for Vermont.

Oh, you want me to read the night post's content? FINE.

Never mind, I got confused. I thought there was a contest or something I missed.

By the way, who got the treasure?

Nachomamma8 wrote:I'm gonna vote Mac today

DrWilgy wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:It is in your best interest to co-operate.

It really is. Now Snow Dog, play devils advocate and throw dirt on Scotty if you have to. I will vote for one of you two as I'm 80% sure that lynching LC will not end a baddie faction.

a2thezebra wrote:It is in your best interest to co-operate.

DrWilgy wrote:Marmot Friend...

I'll always remember you. I'll keep you close in my heart as always.

Snow Dog, why should I lynch Scotty instead of you?

Scotty, why should I lynch Snow Dog instead of you?

Snow Dog. I currently oppose a LC lynch. While it may be needed in the future, now is not the time.

Vompatti wrote:So the baddies are LC and Mac right?

thellama73 wrote:

Scotty wrote: @HOST! If Lechuck dies, does that mean that the power to kill is lost with him, or does it get passed down to the the remaining pirates (or in this case, the Pirate Leaders)?

Good question, but one that will remain unanswered for now.

DrWilgy wrote:Die wanna wagna

a2thezebra wrote:My activity will be slow because I'm making new friends

DrWilgy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I want to lynch Long Con, and our only chance today is if DrWilgy joins me in forcing a tie (and someone has a wonderful item to use).

But I don't like ties either. This lynch is the worst.

I would like to join you but I don't trust Scotty ;__;

Do I vote Snow Dog, Ji-San or Scotty?

DrWilgy wrote:Snow dog, go ahead and vote. If you vote the right person I'll not vote for you.

After reviewing Niju's posts, I have come to a conclusion.
...
...
...I'm not a cannibal.

Discuss.

a2thezebra wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:at2thezebra, who would you vote for if you hadn't voted for me?

Either Soneji or Long Con, probably Soneji.

I agree with that on both counts.

And then Mac. He's always this antagonistic but he is NOT always this narrow-focused.

a2thezebra wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:at2thezebra, who would you vote for if you hadn't voted for me?

Either Soneji or Long Con, probably Soneji.

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Vompatti wrote:i trust zebra k

No, not really. Zebra is bad.

You seem convinced of that. I strongly suspect that she isn't. What makes you so sure other than her wacky playstyle this game?

Maybe I'm wrong... she has been somewhat more game-oriented as we get into the midgame than she was at the start. I looked back over her posts, and there's more content than I remember, I was sort of stuck in the emoticons/antagonistic schtick that she started out with, which I see as more indicative of her baddie game.

Maybe everyone else is right and I'm wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.

What about Vompatti then? I would describe him as not game-oriented in play style too.

But that's completely consistent with Vompatti's style every single time I have seen him play, so it doesn't even register any more.

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Vompatti wrote:i trust zebra k

No, not really. Zebra is bad.

You seem convinced of that. I strongly suspect that she isn't. What makes you so sure other than her wacky playstyle this game?

Maybe I'm wrong... she has been somewhat more game-oriented as we get into the midgame than she was at the start. I looked back over her posts, and there's more content than I remember, I was sort of stuck in the emoticons/antagonistic schtick that she started out with, which I see as more indicative of her baddie game.

Maybe everyone else is right and I'm wrong. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.

Long Con wrote:

Vompatti wrote:i trust zebra k

No, not really. Zebra is bad.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm continuing to vote Snow Dog for the good of the civ cause. I never vote people because I want them out of the game.

Nachomamma8 wrote:Unfortunately the people I trust right this second are a grand total of 1) Zebra and 2) Snow Dog and that needs some reading and rereading to turn into anything compelling or with a >random chance to be right. And again, hopefully reading time comes tomorrow.

Scotty wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Niju's post poll ending post fills me with confidence.

yeah I don't think *twiddles thumbs* comes from town who has just been lynched.

You judge harshly. I twiddle my thumbs in Monday-after-Thanksgiving deadness. Shall I scream in pain and agony instead for your amusement?

I'm putting my money on you being civ.

If I were your bank I would not grant you a loan.

Nachomamma8 wrote:i'm cool w/long con
if you vote soneji tomorrow i won't vote you

What does "cool" mean in this context?

Because LC's agreement with Soneji on zebra and his successive agreement with zebra on soneji is scummy as shit. I'm firmly in the belief that LC is bad.

a2thezebra wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Isn't gut just an easy way for mafia to vote someone?

Depends. If the person is known to generally make well-reasoned votes, they can't really get away with using "gut" as a reason often. If they are not, then yes, but that also means that said player is also likely to make gut votes as town. In this game, the people I'm expecting to rely on "gut" often are probably: Wilgy, Vompatti, Zebra, MM; Golden and MP, when talking about them, use words like "random" or "WIFOM-laden" and other people agree, which means that they aren't as likely to scumhunt in the way that you're expecting them to.

So "gut" can be a mafia thing or just a lazy townie who doesn't do a proper case.

The whole point of gut is that it's pure instinct ughhhhhhhhh get with the program

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Isn't gut just an easy way for mafia to vote someone?

Depends. If the person is known to generally make well-reasoned votes, they can't really get away with using "gut" as a reason often. If they are not, then yes, but that also means that said player is also likely to make gut votes as town. In this game, the people I'm expecting to rely on "gut" often are probably: Wilgy, Vompatti, Zebra, MM; Golden and MP, when talking about them, use words like "random" or "WIFOM-laden" and other people agree, which means that they aren't as likely to scumhunt in the way that you're expecting them to.

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.

If I am right and you are civ, I fear that the mafia has a good grip on this game. I wanted to say something els and completely forgotten it.

I agree. Who are your other suspects? What are we going to do to absolutely ruin their position?

I don't know. Lynches are strange. From nowhere it seems a lynch train appears and previous suspects are forgotten. Maybe we need to go back to the beginning. It is possible that one civ (threepwood) already knows for certain who some civs are. Unless of course Threepwood is a low poster.

I agree that this game feels weird since we probably have all the tools to win but can't properly use them (info-dumping), and people not flipping when they are nightkilled unusual to me in a multifaction game; we currently have no idea how many scum we are actually dealing with or how many of our strong PRs are dead which kind of kills all point of having a POE (since no way to check on how well we're doing). I thought when Golden died that the cannibals killed him and not having a body was part of their kill method (ala Donner's Party), but feeling a bit overwhelmed since that isn't the case.

Nachomamma8 wrote:And as a point against the ever-lurking Soneji, I find that he's putting down a vote that obviously isn't going anywhere today (unless he honestly believes that "Nacho is lurking now and wasn't always lurking!" is gonna fly, which I doubt) is a move coming from mafia that's confident in their overall position; Scotty's EoD bothers me for a similar reason, but he at least seems earnest in his scumhunting (although the "oops I should look for Cannibals" bothers the shit out of me).

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.

If I am right and you are civ, I fear that the mafia has a good grip on this game. I wanted to say something els and completely forgotten it.

I agree. Who are your other suspects? What are we going to do to absolutely ruin their position?

Nachomamma8 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.

I'm sorry. I don't know why you were lynched either, as I missed yet another day.
Who are your suspects? Who do you want us to kill in your name?

nijuukyugou wrote:

I have four votes for no good reason that I saw. I said my defense. It did nothing. I'm rather annoyed that it happened this way, actually. However, I see no reason to react ridiculously, as it changes nothing.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Niju's post poll ending post fills me with confidence.

yeah I don't think *twiddles thumbs* comes from town who has just been lynched.

You judge harshly. I twiddle my thumbs in Monday-after-Thanksgiving deadness. Shall I scream in pain and agony instead for your amusement?