Like you Krissy. You vote silently for DP. Why? You don't say much but you vote. Any good reason for me not to vote for you?Krissy wrote: Hmmmm. Well I am listening too. Lol
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- Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:50 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
- Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:47 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
There is a lot of this no reason voring from the young 'uns.Mongoose wrote:Any reason why, or just a hunch?Andrew wrote:Voting dp.
Hey children. Do please inform of us o0f any reasons you have for your vote.
And to those who vote without even saying who you voted for. This is considered bad Mafia etiquette. You need to state (in bold preferably) who you voted for.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:51 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
You see Nev I thought you were saying you knew Bullz was civ because you role checked him or something which is what I thought was a role hint about yourself. I saw then that there are no roles like that so I read your post again and saw I interpreted it wrong.
All just a silly misunderstanding.
Anyone else going to post on here?
All just a silly misunderstanding.
Anyone else going to post on here?
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:48 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
Ah. I know the chap you are looking for.Nevinera wrote:Holy cow, I just went back and looked at the poll again.Snow Dog wrote:I certainly will do no such thing and I still want to know where it is obvious who Bullz is.
I could have sworn he won the lynch vote, but it was a tie with krissy.
I guess maybe ties don't decommission anyone?
I feel like a moron >.<
Sorry about that Snow, I totally should have checked immediately when you didn't follow my logic.
I know you're a rational player, I just figured you must've been doing something I didn't understand.
Which turned out to be actually reading the poll.
Anyway, I guess knowing that I thought Bullz had been lynched unsuccessfully should make my
logic clearer.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:26 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
Oh Nev. Sorry i think I misread your post. You were talking about Bullz I think.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:25 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
Maybe you are right Nev and it wasn't a hint cuz I can't find your role anywhere.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:22 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
If that was a role hint, that I completely don't understand the rules of this game.Nevinera wrote:[quote="Snow Dog"And if that wasn't a role hint then I'm a wombat living on a boat near the Seychelles.
At any rate, you should probably call in one of the mods to smite me for breaking the rules, and to explain to me what they mean.[/quote]
I certainly will do no such thing and I still want to know where it is obvious who Bullz is.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:18 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
You have lost me. Why is his role obvious? I missed it somewhere. And if that wasn't a role hint then I'm a wombat living on a boat near the Seychelles.Nevinera wrote:Oh come on, that's not a role hint.Snow Dog wrote:Well if you are dropping role hints Nev and confirming he is is Civ I will be sure to not vote him this time.
Everyone that's paying attention knows exactly who he is, and I certainly didn't indicate any particular role myself.
I think I see your game here, and it's pretty clever, I have to admit.
We'll see how it turns out for you though; I don't see how you can buy more than a couple of turns this way.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:11 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
So if I can trust you Nev and you are sure on Bullz that is good. That's three of us I can at least trust.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:08 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
Well if you are dropping role hints Nev and confirming he is is Civ I will be sure to not vote him this time.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:53 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
I don't see why it is random. Diesels are decommissioning Steam. That is the game.Nevinera wrote:I'm also still curious about the BWT thing.
Does anyone have thoughts on the reasons behind such random-seeming kills?
I'm especially curious if you have any thought Bullz..
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:51 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
I haven't ignored it. I quoted my post for you where I tell Simon I'm not bad.Nevinera wrote:As you know perfectly well, *this* is the response I'm talking about.Snow Dog wrote:^Nice catch.
Do you think you can make a page-long post go away by ignoring it?
Especially considering who posted the argument.. if you don't have anything to say about it,
I'm pretty sure where my vote's going.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:26 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
Nevinera wrote:"I am not a diesel" would have been a great start.Snow Dog wrote: No I wasn't rude. Least not intentionally. No I am not trying any gambit. I didn't realise I had to reply. What do you want me to say?
Or any kind of argument at all?
I hate it when people do things that make no sense..
Snow Dog wrote:No, Simon.Simon wrote:Snow Dog, are you bad?
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:17 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
I think I understand. That word is not considered bad language here. My mistake and sorry.Epignosis wrote:Taken care of Snowy. Don't worry.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:11 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
No I wasn't rude. Least not intentionally. No I am not trying any gambit. I didn't realise I had to reply. What do you want me to say?Nevinera wrote:No, I was asking if you were attempting the same gambit by not bothering to reply to a complicated and analytical attack.Snow Dog wrote: So am I wrong or bad to try and make the best of his gambit? What language?
And I meant *your* language, which was somewhat rude.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:02 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
So am I wrong or bad to try and make the best of his gambit? What language?Nevinera wrote:It obviously didn't work.Snow Dog wrote:It wasn't? What was it about then?Nevinera wrote:Snow, the llama gambit isn't really a thing. Are you trying to get lynched too?
Is everyone in this game crazy?
Too many new people, and the logic about splitting the good from bad was incredibly shaky.
And two of the llama-voters were pretty clearly not diesels, which means that even if all three of the others were, he only did a little better than guessing.
And language, sir, I don't speak French!
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:53 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
Yes RIP BWT. Don't think anyone said that yet.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:41 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
You are decommissioned you better get RED!birdwithteeth11 wrote:Sorry everyone! I wasn't around at all yesterday. Catching up now.
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:37 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
It wasn't? What was it about then?Nevinera wrote:Snow, the llama gambit isn't really a thing. Are you trying to get lynched too?
Is everyone in this game crazy?
- Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:01 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 4]
^Nice catch.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:06 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 3]
But silence can be for many reasons, maybe she is also new to mafia and doesn't know what to say, or maybe she is very busy (I doubt it if she is a teacher.....yeah...she's bad). And looks can be deceptive. I'm sure Liz isn't as bad as she looks. (unless she is of course). Difficult isn't it?Simon wrote:It's hard because this is very tricky.Snow Dog wrote:Ok. Talk young man. Why do you think they are bad?Simon wrote:I think Snow Dog is a good guy. I will talk to him about my votes against Krissy and Lizzy.
Krissy has not talked a lot.
And Lizzy looks like a little bad dinosaur.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:02 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 3]
Anyway. Good night all. Time for bed.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:55 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 3]
Ok. Talk young man. Why do you think they are bad?Simon wrote:I think Snow Dog is a good guy. I will talk to him about my votes against Krissy and Lizzy.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:48 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 3]
I guess I could too.....but I didn't this time.DharmaHelper wrote:If I had to, but I don't
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:39 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 3]
Well maybe you could.DharmaHelper wrote:Very easily I suppose.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:35 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
I don't mind suspicion. It's a healthy thing in mafia. But look at the timings of mine and viper's posts. Exactly the same minute. How would any baddy team plan that or even want that? The very idea is silly. But feel free to vote for me tomorrow if you have any doubt about my honesty. I told a five year old child I wasn't bad. How could I lie to a five year old?Nevinera wrote:I was never suspicious of you before, just viper. But that double-vote really makes both of you look suspicious to me.Snow Dog wrote: If Bullz flipped civ it means I got it wrong from the evidence.
I never meant to imply that a civ bullzeye would *prove* you were bad, just that a baddie bullz would exonerate you.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:21 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
If Bullz flipped civ it means I got it wrong from the evidence.Nevinera wrote:I didn't vote for you! I simply saw a win-win.Snow Dog wrote:Seriously? I am following up on "The Llama Gambit" for which he died and you want to see if I'm bad? If nobody sees the logic in my vote then I am speechless. If I don't vote for a Llama voter then what did he die for?Nevinera wrote:Wile I'm not prepared to accept the double vote as coincidence, I think voting bullseye off is the best way to tell if snow and viper are bad.
Voting bulls
If bull flipped civ, your double vote looks more suspicious,
And if he flipped diesel, yay!
I didn't expect /nobody/ to flip :-/
I mean I guess that's useful to know too, somehow?
Voting Tull, obviously.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:02 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
Depends on the host and anyway this game is different as there are children and other newbies.Bullzeye wrote:A tie would be resolved one way or the other. I expect there's a different explanation.Snow Dog wrote:Is this because of the tied vote?Elohcin wrote:No one has been decommissioned!
It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:54 am
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- Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:52 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
Is this because of the tied vote?Elohcin wrote:No one has been decommissioned!
It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:08 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
Seriously? I am following up on "The Llama Gambit" for which he died and you want to see if I'm bad? If nobody sees the logic in my vote then I am speechless. If I don't vote for a Llama voter then what did he die for?Nevinera wrote:Wile I'm not prepared to accept the double vote as coincidence, I think voting bullseye off is the best way to tell if snow and viper are bad.
Voting bulls
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:46 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
The double vote was a total coincidence like I said. But vote for me if you don't believe it.Nevinera wrote:Wow, my two strongest suspicions just mutexed :-/
I've been generally more suspicious about bullzeye, but that pair-voting read to me like Btsc + an over eager newbie teammate.. And vipers reasoning sounds suspiciously experienced.
I'd rather wait to see how this develops, but it's a morning wedding, so I'm going to have to vote in the next 15.
You still around viper/snow? I'm debating between one of you and bulls, and I'd love more to base that guess on.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:56 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
That is simply amazing. The forum is quiet for hours and hours and I decide to post and vote for Bullz and suddenly someone gets just in front and votes first.
Coincidence I assure you.
Coincidence I assure you.
- Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:54 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
Llama's plan was ill timed being in a game with a high level of newbies. But one person who voted for him simply wouldn't accept my point that if Llama was bad he wouldn't act like that. That was Bullzeye. I am voting for him. I am as sure as can be that he is bad.
Votes Bullzeye.
Votes Bullzeye.
- Fri May 31, 2013 5:26 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
No, Simon.Simon wrote:Snow Dog, are you bad?
- Fri May 31, 2013 2:34 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
Mongoose is loose, with a noose,Hedgeowl wrote:So are both DP and Mongoose insanified or does Mongoose just like to rhyme?
And some juice from a sluice.
- Fri May 31, 2013 2:25 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
I'm not convinced either, but if that's the case his grand gesture was in vainreywaS wrote:Im not sure voting for llama necessarily makes anyone bad. I know llama thought that only a baddie would jump on him and vote for him after his antics, but I'm not so sure that is so.
- Fri May 31, 2013 12:09 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
DP if you have any suspicions at all just post their name. (After the thing you type it into of course)
- Fri May 31, 2013 12:07 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
OK. I can't tell them apart. It's just names. Lizzy is a noob so hard to tell. So is Andrew. Bullz...yep I guess he could be bad and bwt too. No idea about A person.DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Think and discussSnow Dog wrote:I don't know if we hold any credence to Llama's gambit, but these are the players that voted for him:
Lizzy (6), Andrew (9), Bullzeye (13), birdwithteeth11 (17), A Person (18)
According to the martyr the baddies are amongst these votes. Any thoughts?
- Fri May 31, 2013 12:02 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
I don't know if we hold any credence to Llama's gambit, but these are the players that voted for him:
Lizzy (6), Andrew (9), Bullzeye (13), birdwithteeth11 (17), A Person (18)
According to the martyr the baddies are amongst these votes. Any thoughts?
Lizzy (6), Andrew (9), Bullzeye (13), birdwithteeth11 (17), A Person (18)
According to the martyr the baddies are amongst these votes. Any thoughts?
- Fri May 31, 2013 11:54 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
Can you elaborate on that thought fezzed one?McViper wrote:I'm beginning to think snow dog is a baddie.
- Fri May 31, 2013 10:41 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 2]
Well we now know Llama's hidden message thing was baloney(like everyone knew anyway) so what's the real reason for my vote. You see I need to vote someone and to me you look as good a choice as anyone.Mongoose wrote:Sorry - been slammed at work today. Also, had to go do my civic duty via jury summons.
Anyway, I chose Snow Dog due to llama's Hidden Message School of Thought. Can't spell Snow Dog without "goon." My apologies.
- Fri May 31, 2013 10:00 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Day 3]
RIP Rusti. We really need to lynch a diesel today.
- Thu May 30, 2013 4:19 pm
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Re: SHOUTOUT TO PA
Hmmmm...A Person wrote:Because I wanted it to.Snow Dog wrote:Why does your's say "Yo Sup Errbody"?
- Thu May 30, 2013 4:15 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 2]
Why does your's say "Yo Sup Errbody"?
- Thu May 30, 2013 3:41 pm
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 2]
I think you are one of my favourite new players. Glad to have you along for the ride. Now I must kill you.McViper wrote:Well, who knows what the outcome of this or any other vote is? Not me.
I'll go with 16 because it is the day of the month that my birthday is on.
Only kidding.
- Thu May 30, 2013 11:55 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 2]
How sweet.Bullzeye wrote:A sensible person wouldn't. I might, if I were feeling particularly bored and had a small fleet of trains at my disposal with nothing better to do (I imagine the balloons would be inflated and tied to the roof of the train).Nevinera wrote:Well I totally missed that it was whole boxes. Though in retrospect it seems rather obvious that you wouldn't ship 16 individual ballons by train.Bullzeye wrote:How heavy can a box of balloons even be? You'd need hundreds of balloons before they start getting too heavy to carry.Snow Dog wrote:It is boxes. So it's an extra box of balloons. I don't know how heavy it is of course.Nevinera wrote:I think 16 should be sufficient for a party. I can't see how 1 extra balloon would be too many, so 15 seems pointless.
- Thu May 30, 2013 11:52 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 2]
Yeah......imagine that.Nevinera wrote:Well I totally missed that it was whole boxes. Though in retrospect it seems rather obvious that you wouldn't ship 16 individual ballons by train.Bullzeye wrote:How heavy can a box of balloons even be? You'd need hundreds of balloons before they start getting too heavy to carry.Snow Dog wrote:It is boxes. So it's an extra box of balloons. I don't know how heavy it is of course.Nevinera wrote:I think 16 should be sufficient for a party. I can't see how 1 extra balloon would be too many, so 15 seems pointless.
- Thu May 30, 2013 11:49 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 2]
I'm betting there are a lot of balloons in one box. The box is probably quite heavy on it's own though. I'm thinking big crate size like.Bullzeye wrote:How heavy can a box of balloons even be? You'd need hundreds of balloons before they start getting too heavy to carry.Snow Dog wrote:It is boxes. So it's an extra box of balloons. I don't know how heavy it is of course.Nevinera wrote:I think 16 should be sufficient for a party. I can't see how 1 extra balloon would be too many, so 15 seems pointless.
- Thu May 30, 2013 11:45 am
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Re: Thomas the Tank Engine [Night 2]
I don't think either of us are baddie. And the TP game is all in the past and has no bearing on this game I promise.Nevinera wrote:I don't know, I kind of thought he was just irritated with me for the ending of the Twin Peaks game. (Sorry again!)DharmaHelper wrote:So as I tried to say earlier I think there is a baddie in the Snow Dog/Neverina back and forth.
I'm keeping an eye on him, but I still like McViper or Bullzeye better.