The Syndicate

Nevinera wrote:I think 16 should be sufficient for a party. I can't see how 1 extra balloon would be too many, so 15 seems pointless.

reywaS wrote:I don't have a real strong feeling on anyone yet. And I don't feel anything strong towards llama or DP. I'm voting Snow Dog. While reading through the posts today, the only person I felt any kind of off vibes about was him. It's not anything major, but it's all I have for today.

Bullzeye wrote:I don't see any reason to keep waiting, it doesn't look like my opinion is going to change. I'm voting Llama - I think he's acting strangely and I'm not buying the whole 'sacrifice' thing he claims to be doing...

Epignosis wrote:

Snow Dog wrote: Hosts can the diseasels self target?

No individual may self-target, but a diesel could target a teammate.

Nevinera wrote:Well, unless he's being incredibly clever, I'm fairly confident now that llama is civ. And maybe drunk? But civ.
I don't see how he could know anything about DP though, unless I have his role wrong :-\

Hedgeowl wrote:This could be said about so many of us in this game However, Snow Dog I am curious if you will be voting for A Person again and do you have any further thoughts?

Hedgeowl wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

A Person wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I am currently suspicious of those who didn't vote. Especially those like Lizzy and A Person who were waiting so last minute that they missed the vote. First day voting for noobs could be an excuse for some, but doesn't work for everyone. Not sure on Nev currently, but he's not my inclination for the next vote.

I'm terrible at making decisions, so waiting until the last minute is the only way I get things done

This could be said about so many of us in this game However, Snow Dog I am curious if you will be voting for A Person again and do you have any further thoughts?

I doubt I'll vote him again. I quite fancy a vote for you or Llama if this pig idea keeps going. feels like a baddie move to me.

Hedgeowl wrote:

A Person wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I am currently suspicious of those who didn't vote. Especially those like Lizzy and A Person who were waiting so last minute that they missed the vote. First day voting for noobs could be an excuse for some, but doesn't work for everyone. Not sure on Nev currently, but he's not my inclination for the next vote.

I'm terrible at making decisions, so waiting until the last minute is the only way I get things done

This could be said about so many of us in this game However, Snow Dog I am curious if you will be voting for A Person again and do you have any further thoughts?

Bullzeye wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:So many questions. Since DH has clearly been biff'd, is DH now free from suspicion or can baddies target one of their own to throw us off?

Baddies do it a lot, I don't see why it'd be any different in this game.

It could very well be different. This is kind of an easier game.

But if they could only target civvies, that outs everyone they target as a civvie and towards the end it'd get really obvious who the baddies were. Would be easier for them to just not target anyone except for the NK if that were the case.

Bullzeye wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:So many questions. Since DH has clearly been biff'd, is DH now free from suspicion or can baddies target one of their own to throw us off?

Baddies do it a lot, I don't see why it'd be any different in this game.

Hedgeowl wrote:Hosts- Since diesel 10 may prevent someone voting the next day, does this mean the person won't use the poll or will their vote instead be ignored?

Hedgeowl wrote:I am still undecided, but I am uninclined towards Nev. There are accusations flying back and forth, but I don't find Nev anymore suspicious than Snow currently. I am doing some rereads, but find little to suspect except that Nev originally was absent. Clearly, this has been resolved. There are also many other players who have not posted much, including DP, who has ignored my accusation and lynch vote.

Bullzeye wrote:

thellama73 wrote:What are people's thoughts on the lynch today? I will going with a Pig voter, but haven't decided which one yet. Probably either Nev or DP. I think Hedgeowl may have been on to something with him.

I have an eye on Nev after his response to me, but other than that I'm not too sure. I haven't been the most active player so I may need a reread today to see if there's anything I missed.

Nevinera wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I think what bullz said is logical and correct. I find Nev's reaction to it a little odd.

It just felt stilted to me. Like he was trying to prompt us to come up with some theories without putting anything out there himself. My response was intended to be a bit tongue-in-cheek though.

thellama73 wrote:I suspect this very good advice is likely the reason for her sudden departure. We would do well to heed it in the future.

That does make some sense. She was behaving as sort of general font of wisdom for the new players in other ways too.
Maybe there just wasn't anyone they definitely wanted scrapped, so they decided to take out the stabilizing players who have been around the block the most?

linki snow: I already linked to the post that responded to that one.

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Nice way to spread the vote even further~ the baddies can swoop in and lynch a civ with just one vote with such a spread, especially if the lurkers dont vote

I suspect this very good advice is likely the reason for her sudden departure. We would do well to heed it in the future.

Bullzeye wrote:

Nevinera wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: She almost had to have been good right? There's only one baddie team after all... I do agree she seems an odd choice to take out. Could she have done or said something to earn the baddies' wrath?

I just don't see anything. I've been rereading her posts carefully, and I don't see any sensical reason someone would scrap her. A few nonsensical ones maybe, and one real stretch involving the secret power..

It kind of sounds like you're trying to direct the discourse here.
So tell me, *did* she do something to earn said wrath? -.O

linki Snow: Not really, I think I've expressed my reasons sufficiently. I certainly didn't "ignore" anything, but I'm not at all surprised that you'd cast it that way.

Nev is either a bit touchy or suspecting everyone at the moment. Personally I think he is bad. A bad diesel.

Really? That's a bit of a stretch. I was just trying to start up a conversation that might have lead to some new people to look at or new ways to look at old suspects...

Nevinera wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: She almost had to have been good right? There's only one baddie team after all... I do agree she seems an odd choice to take out. Could she have done or said something to earn the baddies' wrath?

I just don't see anything. I've been rereading her posts carefully, and I don't see any sensical reason someone would scrap her. A few nonsensical ones maybe, and one real stretch involving the secret power..

It kind of sounds like you're trying to direct the discourse here.
So tell me, *did* she do something to earn said wrath? -.O

linki Snow: Not really, I think I've expressed my reasons sufficiently. I certainly didn't "ignore" anything, but I'm not at all surprised that you'd cast it that way.

Nevinera wrote:Russ: "The hinting at info or grand theories"
Snow: "what is this marvelous insight?"

Here's the text of the post you were both talking about:

Nevinera wrote:I've noticed a few things about the setup that I'd love to share, but if I point them out I'll almost certainly be scrapped tonight.
But everyone.. think about how the Narrows are going to play out, from various points of view.
And be careful, the early game is more important than usual here.

Point out any claimed 'grand theories' or 'marvelous insights'? I had some logic to share, and it was risky to do so.
I'm not trying to make out that you were playing up my post intentionally, or even that it would un-civ-il to do so if you were.
Just that it bore watching.

If the mafia has any players from my other games in it, then I probably didn't need to be worried really.
I'm like a suspicion magnet; I'll be at the top of every 'keep him alive to draw fire' list forever.

Nevinera wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Although your quickness to try to make me look bad for my vote is not giving me the warm fuzzies.

For your vote? I didn't think anything of that. If boogs had flipped, it'd be a different story of course.

I was just bothered by your your stated reason for that vote, which seemed a clear attempt to misrepresent my post to me.
And I wasn't really bothered until a second player starting doing exactly the same thing soon after; it feels a bit coordinated to me.
That could just be my paranoia talking though - I'm not accusing you of anything on such a flimsy feeling.

Andrew wrote:I'm wondering which animal is going to get the most votes. What do you think? Please quote and answer.

McViper wrote:As to who's a baddie or goodie, I find that I must be pretty dense. For the life of me, I have no clues as to anyone's identity.

Nevinera wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Nev worries me. First he says he has noticed some things about the setup he would like to share, but refrains out of fear apparently, of doing so. The lynch ends and what is this marvelous insight? Simply a few words of caution to narrow gauge trains about hinting too strongly. Then saying that he is not narrow don't NK him.

I have my eye on Nev.

Good lord, I didn't claim 'some marvelous insight'. I claimed to have "noticed some things". What kind of crazy deductions would you expect me to have on Day one? All I really have to work with are the rules at this point :-\

My fear was that my logic would make me look like a Narrow Gauge, and my logic suggested that they would be the first targets. I'm not concerned that they'll scrap me now (unless "they" is "you"), because clearly I'm to be lynched early again anyway.

I noticed that you and Russ both tried to exaggerate my statements to make me a better target, and in similar ways. I'll have my eyes on you two for however many days I remain unlynched as well -.O

Lizzy wrote:I suppose the half jurist in me tells me to be cautious when pointing fingers. Like I said, at this stage of the investigation, we know close to zilch. Soooo... everyone's innocent until proven guilty. Till then, for me it's either random or following an already existing or developing trend.

Lizzy wrote:And here I was thinking that people would have learnt by now. How naive... :P

Lizzy wrote:While it is a tad too early in the game to make assumptions, I do find it odd that some people are rushing to point fingers or ask questions that as far as I'm concerned, cannot provide clear and satisfactory answers at this stage. It's almost as if some are trying a bit too hard to create distractions and draw our attention towards other players. Naturally, I may be mistaken, but by the looks of it, we're basically voting at random for now.

thellama73 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Voted Boogs because I think the post pointed out by SVS is suspect.

Yeah, I guess I'll vote for him too. He says he trusts me. That's not like Boogs. Why would he trust me unless he was on the bad team and KNEW I was civ? I also thought Nev's explanation sounded reasonable.

S~V~S wrote:

Boogs wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I will check in periodically, and I think I will vote for the first experienced player to vote for a noob on a Day One Holiday Weekend. Random or otherwise.

As I understand it, they are:

Andrew
Simon
McViper
Lizzy
Hedgeowl
Krissy
Mongoose

Unless one of them accidentally self outs. If any of these people play under a different name elsewhere, let me know

SVS the new players are only 2 less than old players correct? So we can't just exclude someone new IMO but I supposed I will not vote for them the first day. The odds are someone older got paired with them if they were bad so they could have some help. I re read and think Andrew was excited agreed, and Simon seemed eager also. I will give them BoTD for now.
As for who I vote for, Im going to go ahead and vote Niv and trust Llama for the first time ever lol. He's the only Civ striking me odd right now so sorry Niv.

On Day One you can exclude a player from making little mistakes if it is the first day of the first game they ever played, yeah. It used to be an unwritten rule of sorts, not lynching noobs on Day One.

I have seen only one thing to strike me so far; here in this post, Boogs, you say:

As for who I vote for, Im going to go ahead and vote Niv and trust Llama for the first time ever lol. He's the only Civ striking me odd right now so sorry Niv.

How exactly do you know he's a civ? Why do you feel you need to pick someone to vote for out of the civs? Not only am I not gonna vote for a new player, I'm not voting for Nev either, i think. I mean, Boogs knows hes a civ

S~V~S wrote:Snow, that was directed more to Llama, tbh.

Simon is a very young man, as I understand it, and is probably very eager, as I know Andrew must be. Also it is a holiday weekend in the USA, about playing outside and opening swimming pools and BBQ, so very young men should be outside playing, not on their computers. And is this McV's first game? I won;t vote a noob DayOne in their first game. McV may not know that declaring civvieness is not enough.

We are rather bloodthirsty for the noobs today, aren't we?

S~V~S wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Although Simon's and Andrew's early votes are worth discussion I feel. Newbie exuberance perhaps?

Given the youth of both these players, I think that is likely what it is. I think I voted relatively early in my first game just out of pure excitement.

Ok we got some names to discuss at least. I am looking forward to their posts.


linki....more names...thanks svs.

Well, if you're going to single people out for low posting, you should single ALL of them out, don't you think? Not just a selective few? That might look...suspicious, couldn't it? And once you go to 2 posts, you see a lot more than Nevin who should know better, eh?

Personally, i don't love voting low posters on the first day, I think they are more likely to be civ than the other way around, but thought I would help you guys out and point out that it was more than just 2 people who aren't posting

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Although Simon's and Andrew's early votes are worth discussion I feel. Newbie exuberance perhaps?

Given the youth of both these players, I think that is likely what it is. I think I voted relatively early in my first game just out of pure excitement.