The Syndicate

Told you there was no mafai. Next time don't argue with the Dog of iced white water.

So the only way I could have won is to kill Llama at the end? That sucks. So I voted Llama at the end and if nev also voted him I would have won. Nev could not win with me and Llama at the end. That sucks for him too.

It was great fun and one of us had to go. If i'd have voted Nev I would have forced another tie. There you go. I took a gamble and I lost. All's fair etc...

Nevinera wrote:Sorry for the delay - we're visiting my folks in Knoxville, so I won't be on much until Monday.

I don't really think we will be able to win as a group (I have reason not to believe INHs implication).

Sorry snow :-/

You don't know how much that hurts that betrayal. I should have expected it I suppose.

Good luck llama!

Did anyone consider not using the NK offer? I did. I was reluctant to use it. Eventually decided to man up and try to end the stalemate.

Votes llama.

Good luck everyone.

I will vote for Llama and then you can decide what to do with your vote Nev. You can stick with your friend and vote me. Vote him or even it up with a self vote. Your call but llama speaks with forked tongue I believe.

Seems we have to resolve this somehow. The host is not allowing us to shirk our responsibilities.

Voted Matahari

The decision is yours mat.....vote me or lynch the others.

thellama73 wrote:I really don't want you to do that, Mata, because I feel sure that if you are lynched, whoever gets the night kill will kill me.

Showered and still unsure. may vote myself.

This is terrible Llama. I will have a shower and think on it. I hate this. I want all of us to win.

Matahari wrote:ok, so you want to vote for nev, and I want to vote for llama. Is that right?

I don't know.

Matahari wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Matahari wrote:well, then who do you think sounds the worst? I thought it was strange that Llama never acknowledged what you and I said about the mafia/everyone, so I could see myself voting there.

Gotta finish the dishes, brb
I'm doing dishes too.

The simple fact is, well it seems to be, there can only be one winner. We are all worthy. But we must lynch someone or let it be random. I've known Llama a lot longer than Nev. Should that be my guide? Seems unfair but what else have I got?
If it guides you to believe that Llama is less likely to be bad, then go for it. On the its always good to spend more time with new friends, ya?

That's the problem. It is my firm belief that no one is bad. Or at least we are all equally guilty.

Matahari wrote:well, then who do you think sounds the worst? I thought it was strange that Llama never acknowledged what you and I said about the mafia/everyone, so I could see myself voting there.

Gotta finish the dishes, brb

I'm doing dishes too.

The simple fact is, well it seems to be, there can only be one winner. We are all worthy. But we must lynch someone or let it be random. I've known Llama a lot longer than Nev. Should that be my guide? Seems unfair but what else have I got?

Matahari wrote:*sounds the most sincere?

They both sound equally sincere. I know. No help at all.

I just don't know who I will vote for now. Maybe Mat and then let her decide. Either she votes for me to give us all one or she decides between Nev/Llama.

From your link I cannot find where I agreed, Nev. But I just went along with it.

ibwaop That sounded rubbish. NEV...if YOU survive who would you kill tonight>?

If you survive this lynch tonight who will you kill tonight? If you could of course.

Nevinera wrote:
Snow Dog wrote: We can finish the pact if everyone agrees. I don't mind Nev winning at this stage but I don't mind whoever wins ( if I don't win I mean) even Matahari. I think we have all done very well and maybe it is time to vote with our consciences. Or are "pings" or whatever.
The pact was always intended to be over when we were reduced to our final number. When we added matahari, that changed our expiration date to be "when everyone but us four is dead". That said, I agreed not to vote for Mata in the first vote after we disbanded as part of incentivizing someone to join with us, and I intend to stick by that.

I would have killed you last night, were I mafia, llama. There's no way to objectively say anything about what I would do *tonight* if I were mafia, because I would already have won - there'd be two people left, and I'd have a night kill. As far as my game analysis goes, the tactics all ended last night when we got to our final day - here we decide it all.

I do not have the power to night kill anyone. I've been playing close to the chest, but if you review the events of the last day there is specific evidence of what my role is.

I notice that you suddenly shifted from talking about possibilities to talking about definites, Llama. That is a symptom that you're attempting to steer the vote onto me by controlling the discourse. While that's not necessarily a bad choice for a civ, it's questionable to commit to it this early in the day - I think that you voted early and started steering because I'm a target of opportunity, and you'll win if anyone dies but you.

Snow Dog wrote: Voting Nev is really putting me on the spot. But he did, foolishly in my opinionj, outright say he would have and would NK you.
That's not foolish. I have been up-front and objective about tactics and strategy all game. My point there was that, if I were mafia, I would have killed Llama last night. Since I did not, it follows that I am not mafia. Llama knew *exactly* what I meant, he's seizing on it as a good excuse to vote early, so he can try to steer the vote from a position of group strength.

I never agreed to anything about being a four man team. Or disbanding it when it was reduced to four. For me it was always the three.

thellama73 wrote:What I am concerned about now is that Nev doesn't me, gets one of you killed instead, and then kills me at night.

Well he's your friend, tie him up for a couple of days.

thellama73 wrote:
Matahari wrote:
thellama73 wrote:No private plan, Mata. Just voting my conscience.
Like 3 minutes ago your conscience wanted every man to vote himself.

I had hoped the winky face would have indicated that the suggestion was hardly serious.

Even with the winky I seriously was willing.

thellama73 wrote:No private plan, Mata. Just voting my conscience.

Voting Nev is really putting me on the spot. But he did, foolishly in my opinionj, outright say he would have and would NK you.

thellama73 wrote:How about everyone votes for themselves and we let fate decide?

I could live die with that.

We still have plenty of time to ponder this. I may even randomise. Seriously.

thellama73 wrote:Here's my worry though: If we lynch Matahari, then it will be night and one of us will (I think) be killed. I expect it will be me, since Nev has outright said he would choose me if he could and you probably think going up against me in the final two would be harder than going up against nev (you also said you wanted him to win.) So from my perspective, lynching Mata seems like suicide.

We can finish the pact if everyone agrees. I don't mind Nev winning at this stage but I don't mind whoever wins ( if I don't win I mean) even Matahari. I think we have all done very well and maybe it is time to vote with our consciences. Or are "pings" or whatever.

Whoever is lynched there will still be a NK I think.

But would there? That would leave two and a definite lynch would be impossible....

thellama73 wrote:I'll be honest, I would like to see Matahari go too. I still feel solidarity for the group and would like for it to be just us three at the end. Do you have any explanation for how night kills were happening before she arrived though?

To explain may go over the bounds of game rules. Put it this way. I firmly believe what I say.

Actually Matahari seems to be the only one to know what I'm talking about. And I will be sad to lynch her. But I should stick to the alliance...no?

thellama73 wrote:If this is indeed last man standing, which I still think it is, I think anyone who had the chance to kill would have viewed Roxy as a logical choice. She was the newest arrival and least likely to be mafia, so anyone going up against her in the endgame would be sure to lose. I am not really sure I buy your claim that you would have killed me

I do think Snow Dog has been acting a little weird, though. His insistence that there were no baddies despite the evidence of night kills struck me as very odd.

Well my nefarious friend do as you wish and vote for me. When the game ends all will become clear. I will vote Matahari.

Nevinera wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Ok. Now I truly do not know who to vote for. Somebody killed Roxy and it wasn't me. If you are claiming it wasn't you Llama then it must have been Nev or Mat. I stated I don't mind Nev doing well or even winning (I don't know why I said that, on reflection I guess I don't have to stick to it) so....for the moment I am leaning towards a Matahari vote.
Please don't vote for Matahari - I'm pretty confident one of us three is a mafia member (one of you two really, but I'm trying to talk in objective observables), and if we lynch mata, then the mafia member can kill another of us tonight, and win. If you actually aren't mafia, then llama can hem and haw and eventually vote for her too, and probably win.

I've lost some of my llama-lean - your philosophical assertions earlier could easily be a smoke-screen to cover for apparently illogical (but actually mafiaic) votes. Mata and Llama - is Snow behaving particularly unusually this game?

It definitely wasn't me, unless I am doing it without knowing somehow. Not only aren't I the killing type, I would have taken out llama instead if I were. Roxy wasn't going to be particularly active, and llama is both active and more familiar with me than anyone else is. On the other hand, I'm the obvious suspect (having organized the group initially), so he would almost certainly leave me alive to draw fire.

I'm new to mafia and hardly know Matahari at all. So they can be no real judges of me or my style.

I think your assertion that one of us original three are mafia is wrong. See my previous theories for more on this.

I took a pledge at the beginning to look after our original gang. I will continue too. Matahari as far as I'm concerned is still an outsider.

Matahari wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Mata, do you have a read on anyone?
No, I really don't. I was assuming that it was just one player, or could be all.

This is an interesting comment.

Ha ha.....Llama

Ok. Now I truly do not know who to vote for. Somebody killed Roxy and it wasn't me. If you are claiming it wasn't you Llama then it must have been Nev or Mat. I stated I don't mind Nev doing well or even winning (I don't know why I said that, on reflection I guess I don't have to stick to it) so....for the moment I am leaning towards a Matahari vote.

The walrus was Paul?

The hosts posts are starting to make me believe I am totally wrong. Is it possible to be the killer without even knowing it?

S~V~S wrote:Llamas new Avatar?

Especially the second picture, the one with the hat~ and a srs good moustache is hard to maintain, so kudos

BrillianT

Oh Man.....great photo llama. Great photo. You look an absolute hoot!

lin ki the firts photo I mean.

Votes Kate

I am going to vote kate if that is alright with everyone?

Roxy wrote:Seems Name counted and used her song quote so I quite disagree with Snow Dog's take on the sitch.
Why don't you want to lynch me Snow Dog?

Ooo yes llama I <3 ties!

Because I love you.

I think Kate.
As she probably has 5 votes already anyway

Just kidding Nev. Would be far too obvious.

Your status says the last night again for some reason.

thellama73 wrote:One thing I did notice is that one person's name always appears directly after the words "psycho killer" but I have given up on trusting anything thta comes out of INH's mouth

True. You can name him. We all see it. Nev. Just a coincidence Nev?

thellama73 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
thellama73 wrote:The devil take the rules! I'll be hanged if I'm going to sit here and allow the host of all people to frame me.
I don't see how you are being framed. Seems we all had to post the lyrics.
Yes, I see that now. I didn't recognize the French as being from the song, nor did I notice your "vain and blind" line, so I thought it was just Kate and I.

Which leads me to believe that we are all killers.....or potential killers at least. Unless I am missing some clue in one of the quotes. I mean the way he has quoted everyone one of us as if to say "Look at yourselves to find the guilty" You say you didn't NK anyone Llama, but given the opportunity you would? Maybe. And as I said these lynches are just us trying to be the last survivor, killing all civs who get in our way. It kind of blurs the edges of civ and mafia.

But I know you don't agree with that analysis. But I'm sticking with it.

thellama73 wrote:The devil take the rules! I'll be hanged if I'm going to sit here and allow the host of all people to frame me.

I don't see how you are being framed. Seems we all had to post the lyrics.

Doesn't Kate have five votes already anyway? Due to her posting the lyric in the wrong thread?

I guess it a Kate or Roxy vote then. Which is it to be?

When is this night over? I have a feeling (and I was right before in another game) that I may be the Nk victim.

Roxy wrote:Ce que j'ai fais, ce soir la.
Means 'What I do tonight'.
If the 's' in fais is supposed to be a 't' then it would be:
'What I did tonight'.

I think that llama, Nev and Snow Dog are very smart to have made an early alliance, guaranteeing them the final 3. I say well played! If I was an earlier kill I would have done the same! <3

For what it's worth Roxy, I don't think it is all over for you others by any means. There may yet be some twists in the tale.

thellama73 wrote:I am not accusing you of anything, Snow Dog. I do not yet know who the night killer is. However, your certainty on the matter seems to indicate that you have more info than I do and I admit it worries me a little.

Don't worry. Whatever you think I may know or not or just think I know, I am true to our pact. We are vain and we are blind. So maybe vanity and blindness has affected my judgement. Knowledge or supposed knowledge does not equate to badness.

LLama, do you agree with Kate then? That I am this "mafia" role? If so can you explain why?

thellama73 wrote:If we are all civvies, explain who is doing the night kills.

Civvies imo. Just as we are lynching known civvies.

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