The Syndicate

Thanks Kate!

Yay! I definitely had fun imagining Mario and Luigi as the bad guys who are always so mean to Bowser. Andrew should write a Mario themed one anyway! I never mind repeated themes because the roles are bound to be different and will still be tons of fun.

And I'll always sign up for an Andrew game.

OMG love your new siggy, Alex!

Roxy wrote:I guess spaghetti was Herobrine?? lmao! unbelievable!

linky wow awesome role assignments Andrew -really well done!

linky FH - I had a blast with you in thread figuring it all out!

Same Roxy! Discussing theories in the thread is my favorite part of mafia and this was just so much fun.

Yay!!!!! Andrew this game was sooooooo much fun! And yes, the Villager role was pure genius! I like the idea of using a role like that in future games.

I felt pretty certain Roxy was Stevie but didn't want to allude to it in the thread because I didn't want the mafia targeting her. I also had a feeling SVS was Villager since she was taken off the poll on the night the Villager protected me.

So rey was Creeper and spaghetti was Herobrine then? Awesome! I find it hilarious that I was right about who was bad (except for Elohcin), but completely wrong about which roles they were. Also, I find it funny that I only initially thought Epignosis was bad because of Elohcin. That was lucky!

Great game!

Thank you Kate and Andrew for hosting!

Not really, just more chance to be manipulated. *Votes Boogs*

Wait, skeleton is still alive? Doesn't that have to mean that Elohcin wasn't bad? Because Creeper has been doing the kills. Maybe spaghetti was Creeper and blocked Herobrine last night?

Or Herobrine is dead and was rey? If Herobrine is dead it has to be someone who died Night 4 which would be rey, Ambray, or SVS. Both SVS and Ambray were targeted for kills by Herobrine, so unless something wacky happened, they really couldn't be that role. I hope rey was Herobrine!

But Skeleton still being alive throws a wrench into things. And I think it puts the possibility of llama and BWT being bad back on the table...maybe. Except that llama did help us lynch DP.

Ugh, this isn't good for the civvies I don't think. Especially with MP dying. RIP btw! Oh, wait, another possibility for no Herobrine kill last night is that MP protected the right person.

RIPIYWG spaghetti. Finding out Skeleton is still alive has me suddenly very worried that you were good.

Get well soon Kate! I'm so sorry to hear that you're sick!

@BWT: Do you think Herobrine is dead and Boogs is mafia?

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:And your suspicions of me were just that I was being blendy, which I already addressed. And what more do you want me to say? I think Boogs and BF are the last two bad people in the game. Boogs has had an awful voting record the entire game and all of this stuff about MP being bad is ridiculous to me. I agree that he's been a bit wishy washy and peculiar at times, but I cant argue the fact that he was killed instead of a baddie and turned up civ. While they would be on separate teams, I think BF is bad as well. He was agreeing with Boogs for most of the game and I can't help but think that he is bad too. You accused BF of the same things that you accused me of. Why the change of mind in thinking he is good? And if not them, then I am 100% certain that somebody you trust is pulling the wool over your eyes. How are you so certain that you trust these people? I can't trust anybody in this game. Not even MP even though I highly doubt he is bad. I'll take what people say into account, but never trust. Especially the people who dominate the thread (Right now its MP, FH, and Roxy I suppose), because it just leads to bandwagons happening and if a baddie becomes one of those people who start dominating the thread and has a good track record, the game is over and baddies win unless some freak accident happens. Take MOTU for example, where I think alex was pretty well accepted by everyone until it became brutally obvious that he was bad when he defended snow dog.

My entire suspicion of you was certainly not solely that you've been blendy. I actually laid out a pretty detailed case on why I think you might be bad. Yes, I could be wrong, but to act like all I did was accuse you of being blendy just isn't true.

The reason I have changed my tune on blindfaeth is because he helped us lynch DP yesterday and DP was mafia. Maybe BF is Herobrine, it's not outside the realm of possibility. But BF's behavior all game has read more civvie than Boogs' has.

Boogs is currently making me nervous with his pleas, but then so did DP and DP did turn out to be bad.

I think the chances of the civvies being able to pull off a win is slim, but we've gotta at least try!

Roxy wrote:FH - I am worried about tonight tbh. If there are 2 civ kills I think its likely its game over for the civs.

Yes, I'm worried too. I hope Stevie is still alive and can make the best decision on who to kill and/or that Ambray was magically somehow Herobrine and we won't have a Herobrine kill. Or maybe Creeper can do us a favor and try to block Herobrine.

@spagehtti: I don't want you to feel like you're being swept under the rug. People are being cleared as not mafia because of how they voted in lynches. Your posts and vote record support the theory that you're mafia.

There aren't that many other candidates left alive who fit the bill for mafia. Boogs and BWT could also possible be mafia, but based on posts it seems more likely that Boogs is Herobrine and BWT is civvie.

That may not be 100% accurate, but it's a very plausible theory using 100% thread evidence.

Roxy wrote:Why is it when there is random info in a game I am never party to it?

Looking forward to hearing what you have to say after your read Teeth.

Llama - its weird thought that MP was the only one sure about Ambray - even another civ ( the Villager) obv thought she was bad as they used a kill on her. So to me it is not something definitive we can point to and say oh ok I understand - b/c I don't.

While I agree that Ambray being civvie is certainly not definitive, I think she was and I worry that the Villager made a mistake in killing her. For Ambray to be bad, she had to have been Herobrine since the only way for the Villager to have gotten a kill was to target the Creeper which would have protected the Creeper but prevented them from using their kill (at least that's my understanding of how the Villager's role works).

Actually, no, Herobrine tried to kill Ambray. So that can't be right either. The only way for Ambray to have been bad was to be the Skeleton meaning Elohcin was actually civvie (since we know who Zombie and Spider were).

I think Ambray was likely good and it's a real shame the Villager used their kill on her. The Villager would have also gotten a block I presume since the Creeper's main power is a block. I hope they didn't also block a fellow civvie.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I know it seems SE and Boogs are the obvious last two, but what do people think of Rox?

I feel good about Roxy. She not only helped lynch DP, but she was also part of the Epignosis voting crew on Day 1 of this game. So while she may have thrown a teammate under the bus once in the past, her doing it twice in one game seems OTT and I don't think she's done that because I don't think she's bad.

I also wonder how you keep getting all sorts of info about random players (or at least implying you have info). Because I know I sure as heck haven't gotten any special info about other players this game.

I just wish I'd had this clarity during the lynch! I'm glad we caught a baddie, but I think I could have been a lot less spastic in the process.

At this point I have two main reasons for thinking BF is civvie and Boogs is Herobrine.

BF started this game by pretty much going for the House option. Boogs started this game by going for the Bank option.

I've been reading BF as civvie most of the game and didn't start to have any hesitation about him until Day 4 when his name was brought up as possibly being mafia. Boogs I've gone back and forth on. I do not want us to forget this post by Russ:

Russtifinko wrote:Wow, a guy goes Öb vacation and suddenly he's evil! I'm busy as have only phone access (and limited, at that) until Wednesday, as I stated. You can lynch me before then if you really want, or I can mount a defense when I get home. If you do lynch me, you'll understand why I can personally guarantee either boogs or indi is bad. I'm leaning that it was indi and Herobrine did us a favor, but boogs bears a look just in case.

For the little it's worth, is it so far-fetched that I made a correct judgment? I know it's only my third game, but I'm fairly intelligent. I explained clearly the logical steps I took at the time to conclude it was Epi. I believe BWT's post was saying that in rl I'm a logical guy, so he may believe me at least.

Beyond that, make your own conclusions at least until wed. MP has, apparently, and that worked out very well for us last lynch, so I can't fault people for following him. MP, in a recent post you said you don't feel bad about sometimes being wrong in your suspicions. If I die, I hope this changes your mind some. You have unmatched power in thus game, and killing everyone you suspect may eventually lead to a win since you're experienced and good, but at the expense of some civvie lives. I was thinking maybe I could win this one for the first time, that seems unlikely now. Shame you chose to do this when I can't adequately defend. Good night all

I think Russ said that for a reason--he was the Minecart and had to have tracked someone that was either night-killed or had a kill attempted on them and saw that indi and Boogs targeted that player either Night 1 or Night 2. Indi couldn't have been bad. So logic says Boogs is bad.

If he's not Herobrine, then he's the last mafia. But thread evidence tells me that spaghetti is mafia, Boogs is Herobrine.

@BF: I was also one of the first people to call out Epig as bad Day 1 and vote for him.

@Roxy: Remember that Herobrine tried to kill me.

Okay, I have just read back through all of spaghetti's posts. Reading them in order it starts off really looking like he was defending Epignosis Day 1!

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:He-Man, I dont think anybody has really been specifically targeting anybody for the lynch yet, and i cant see anybody as of right now that looks like theyre tied to epi in any way. i dont think its fair to go throwing out conclusions of any sort yet. we need to talk about all of this first before we jump to "youre suspicious and bad, so die" kind of thing. in fact, I think epi's post actually makes a lot of sense, but so does the point made of quality over quantity.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:

He-Man wrote:

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:

He-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What?

Maybe someone else can explain since I'm not making sense to you.

I dont think youre making too much sense to anyone, tbh

I'm sorry I could not eloquently explain my suspicion to your eyes, I will try harder to appease you in future

Haha thanks, i think youre misunderstanding epi though.
From what I can tell, epi is just saying that llama said the exact same thing even before epi did, yet epi is the only one youre going after. and i think youre thinking that epi is trying to pull your attention over to llama instead of him. youre both misunderstanding i think.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:this is the last chance i will get before the poll ends, i'm going out with friends. so i guess i have to vote now. i honestly have no idea who to vote for and i dont know if i'm okay with an SD lynch JUST YET. ill give him a chance to prove himself civvie to me. so i'm going to vote he-man, just cuz he's he-man and always pings me

Note: This is where he votes for He-Man and at this point, He-Man had already chosen to vote for Epignosis.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:(I'm on my phone quick because I realized I never voted in the poll) I only voted he man as sort of a throw away vote because I don't know who else to vote for. All of these arguments seem like civvie-civvie to me and I cant decide who is who yet.

This meant nothing to me at the time, but I have seen people forget to vote and then come back because they were reminded in their BTSC chatroom.

Then after the lynch switch to MP, he suggests multiple theories for the switch that have nothing to do with the mafia using their lynch switch.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:I have a feeling that baddies didnt have anything to do with MP getting lynched. I'm more inclined to think that Epi possibly had a lynch protection from somewhere (possibly from a role or from some item acquired) although i think it has to be part of the role because it seems weird that he would have received an item so early in the game. Unless it was a result of the day 0 vote. it seems like a waste for a baddie team to use a lynch switch so early, unless he was the only baddie member able to use the lynch switch, so thats an option too.

In addition to supplying reasons for MP's lynch that weren't baddie-related, after Epig starts to take a lot of heat he now says he thinks he'd be okay with it.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:Looks like a lot of people are heading towards Epi being lynched. I think I would be okay with it, I'm not so keep on the idea of baddies using their power so early just to frame a civ. It seems like an awful waste of something that could be extremely useful later in the game to save a teammate or themselves. So I'm more set on the fact that he is a baddie who saved his own life with it. Or it was a freak circumstance where both epi and llama are protected from being lynched and it just went down the line to MP

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:OR the diamond sword could have saved him for some reason unbeknownst to us.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Linki with SE: It makes absolutely NO sense the Diamond Sword saved him. Remember, the Diamond Sword has both a stop and a switch, and the baddies only have a switch. Since Diamond Sword has no BTSC, I incredibly doubt that role would use the switch when they cannot be sure anyone is civ or bad. I realize we can be paranoid, but I really think we don't have a better option than Epig. But I think you're right in that their hand was forced to use the lynch switch, even though they might not have wanted to.

The reason I didnt completely rule out the diamond sword is because it has a *secret* as part of its role. I think theres a small chance it could have been some sort of power where the diamond sword would know epi was a civvie and then to save him? I dunno, its a stretch but i'm not ruling it out.

He finally votes Epignosis when there's no chance of saving him.

Then after that whole lynch he posts less and less. Here's a post where he mentions Elohcin, but then throws out that he's still leery of Snow Dog (who I don't think he'd actually mentioned up to this point):

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:Great result!!!! Bye epi and BIH zombie!!! I think going after Elohcin would be a good idea, though I'm still leery of snow dog. His "no u" kind of playing here makes me lean a bit towards him being baddie, but i dont know for sure yet.

After this most of his posts become very blendy.

At this point I think it's likely that spaghetti is the Creeper.

Actually, based on my spreadsheet, the last mafia has to be either spaghetti or Boogs. Unless BWT has pulled the wool over llama's eyes. Or if Elohcin wasn't actually bad. Gosh, I really wish we knew for sure about her.

I just took a look at spaghetti's votes and there isn't really anything concrete that helps connect him to the known mafia, Epig and DP.

Day 1 spaghetti came in and voted He-Man kind of out of nowhere and DP immediately followed up by slapping a vote on spaghetti. Day 2 spaghetti gave Epignosis his 9th vote. Day 3 he voted Russ like all of us. Day 4 he gave the first vote to llama. And he didn't show up to vote today. I'm going to read back through his posts to see if anything stands out.

So you have it that Boogs can't be Herobrine on your spreadsheet, llama?

thellama73 wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm catching up on poss now. Roxy, I feel sure BWT is not pulling the wool over my eyes.

I would hope that my tireless crusading against Porcu since day 1 would show people that I am on the side of good.

I don't think my mention of the ship early on should incriminate me, especially since I didn't vote for it. Remember that Snow Dog voted Ship and turned out to be good.

Yes, sorry about that freak out I had where I put the case together about you and BWT. MP's vote had me all uncertain, but I am glad I went with my gut rather than following MP this time. I really hope MP isn't recruited, but I want to hear from him for sure.

I'm filling in some stuff on my spreadsheet now and trying to figure out who might be the last mafia.

I think it must be either Boogs or SE, leaning towards Boogs. Some of his attempts to get us not to lynch him have been very convincing, though.

If Boogs is the last mafia, who do you think Herobrine is?

I also voted ship and I am good too so yeah, not strong evidence for a reason to condemn someone as mafia at this point.

thellama73 wrote:I'm catching up on poss now. Roxy, I feel sure BWT is not pulling the wool over my eyes.

I would hope that my tireless crusading against Porcu since day 1 would show people that I am on the side of good.

I don't think my mention of the ship early on should incriminate me, especially since I didn't vote for it. Remember that Snow Dog voted Ship and turned out to be good.

Yes, sorry about that freak out I had where I put the case together about you and BWT. MP's vote had me all uncertain, but I am glad I went with my gut rather than following MP this time. I really hope MP isn't recruited, but I want to hear from him for sure.

I'm filling in some stuff on my spreadsheet now and trying to figure out who might be the last mafia.

Phew! Not Herobrine but so wonderful getting a baddie. DP! You had me so freaked out there at the end!

I really want to hear from MP now that he shouldn't be silenced anymore because I think this lynch was very telling.

@Kate & Andrew: Will you tell us if the mafia is eliminated?

Roxy wrote:If you felt more strongly about boogs I would have followed you FH. <3
I really hope we are right today!

Well all this does not make me feel better tbs. Porcu I swear I will just flip out if I am wrong.

Oh no more talk of recruits!! My hed can't handle it tonight.

I don't think you were talking me out of Boogs.

Boogs, can you please explain how MP can both be Herobrine and have been dead Night 1? When you can explain that, I might start believing you. Otherwise I don't understand how it's possible. A recruit at this point makes more sense to me than Herobrine killing from beyond the grave.

EBWOP: toes=hope, no idea how that happened because I don't even use a smartphone. I'll blame it on the post-migraine wonkiness.

*Linki* Ugh, I really hope you're guilting us at this point DP.

I swear if you're civvie then I'm actually going to start wondering about MP being recruited.

It's done. I've voted. Now I'm just going to cross my fingers and toes that DP is Herobine and I didn't allow myself to get talked out of a Boogs lynch today.

Sooooo, DP then?

*Linki* LOLs, only if it's the civvie team, DP. I feel pretty good about Roxy being civ and while I'm still a bit unsure about BF, I certainly don't think he's Herobrine.

Are you going to vote him then? Because I'd like to vote rather than doing what I did with the last lynch and talking myself in circles until I missed the vote.

At one point I felt like I had BWT down in a civvie role and I was fine with that. If MP hadn't gone and voted him I would still be thinking that.

So DP over Boogs then?

Day 0
1. Boogs (Bank)
12. BF (House)

Day 1
6. Boogs (Snow Dog)
7 BF (MP)

Day 2
2. BF (Epignosis)
3. Boogs (thellama)

Day 3
2. BF (Russ)
3. Boogs (Russ)

Day 4
3. BF (Ambray)
5. Boogs (Snow Dog)

Other than the fact that they vote around the same time as each other, there isn't much similarity in their votes.

Here's what has me bothered. I feel like one of the bank voters is likely to be Herobrine which means either Boogs or DP. The only real Boogs supporter has been BF, but even BF said that it's possible Boogs is Herobrine rather than mafia due to thinking he doesn't have BTSC.

DP is notoriously hard to read and the only reason I suspect him is because his posts don't say much and he was a Bank voter.

Now, I do wonder if it's somehow possible for llama and BWT to be the two remaining mafia.

Day 0, this was the first post where llama mentioned the poll choices.

thellama73 wrote:My instinct is to go ship, because I like ships, but everyone else mentioning it makes me nervous. Now I'm tempted just to stay home.

After Ambray indicated she wasn't going to wait to vote because she didn't want to be influenced by people with info BWT went from wanting to wait to vote to quickly changing his mind and voting home and llama followed suit shortly after. Epignosis had already voted Ship at this point, but only about a half hour before Ambray gave her reason for thinking getting her vote out of the way early was a good idea.

On Day 1, Epignosis and thellama both got a fair number of votes. After llama got 3 votes and Epignosis had 4, Epig gave a 4th vote to llama tying them up. Thellama was the first to vote in the lynch so his vote couldn't be used to save himself. BWT had voted 2nd in the lynch for Snow Dog so if he was a teammate his vote also couldn't be used to help save llama or Epignosis. Elohcin had voted DP in what I still think was a cop-out vote at the time. If both he and Epig were bad, then they were already faced with having to use their lynch switch. Maybe Epig put his vote on llama to throw us off the scent.

On Day 2, after Epignosis was clearly going down for the lynch, he voted llama again. Possibly further distancing? BWT and Elohcin were the last two players to cast their votes in the Epignosis lynch.

Impossible to get any real read on Day 3 since everyone voted for Russ.

Day 4 both llama and BWT voted for Snow Dog.

There does seem to be a pattern connecting the two of them from pretty early in the game.

Gah, I'm just not sure.

I feel like eliminating Herobrine is more important because that's one less kill tonight. But we have to guess right on who Herobrine actually is. I wish I knew whether MP suddenly felt BWT was mafia or Herobrine.

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I am trying to decipher these posts. Is this one saying BWT and llama are lying?

Sorry, Roxy--I had to go take a quick nap for my head but I'm back now that my migraine meds have kicked in.

Um, what, MP voted BWT!?

I swear he is going to do my brain in. Let me see if I can get this right. So Boogs who is my top suspect and MP who I was trusting the most have both voted BWT who I was trusting because of llama. Ambray had BWT as her top suspect because of Herobrine trying to NK her. Ambray was killed last night by the Villager who targeted Creeper in order to get a kill (I'm assuming since I can't figure out how else Villager got a kill to use). Meaning Villager thought Ambray was bad. Have I missed any details regarding who was suspecting who with regards to BWT?

I am really bothered that Boogs keeps saying MP is Herobrine like it's totally obvious. When I seriously cannot see how that's possible since MP was dead when Herobrine first killed.

My gut is screaming at me to vote Boogs, but there is a little voice in my brain saying DP might be the way to go. And it's making my head hurt worse.

*Linki* Not your fault that I have a migraine!

I am now caught up on posts. I have a migraine and trying to read MP's posts isn't helping it any.

It also doesn't help that llama voted DP and BWT voted boogs yet they are backing each other up. Solidarity would help me decide better.

I think you're saying you suppose boogs could be bad?

Roxy wrote:So in other words it was never my suppostion it was something I read in SVS's posts. Why does it really matter who is alive? The point is there are still baddies and tbh I do not care what baddie we lynch as long as we do indeed lynch a baddie.

It matters because the point I keep trying to make is I was trying to use that as actual confirmation that Elohcin was bad so we'd have a better idea of how many mafia are actually left alive. Now I clearly was wrong since MP is insanified today, but I don't think SVS was right that indi was bad as I've explained.

thellama73 wrote:Last night just before I went to bed, I had a stabbing pang in my gut that tells me we should lynch DP instead of Boogs. It is still here this morning. The pressure, oh god the pressure!

I had the same one llama. And it came from the realization that DP also was someone who chose Bank. I hadn't realized it initially since his vote wasn't on the screencap that LT posted.

I've been trying to think about the players that Herobrine has chosen to nightkill--indi, Ambray, FH(me), SVS. But honestly, I can't see a trend. We've all gone after different players this game and generally our ideas haven't even been that similar.

I am very torn about this lynch and feel that if we don't find a killer, it will spell doom for us.

thellama73 wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:So MP being insanified means the Spider is still alive? The only people who commented on my thinking that Elohcin was Spider due to the lack of insanification Night 1 and Night 3 said they didn't think she was Spider but never followed up with why when I asked (Ambray and Roxy).

I am definitely still down for lynching Boogs. He is acting more like a cornered baddie than a civvie.

I got worn out from doing so much thread reading yesterday and took a break last night, but I'm going to try to finish my big reread today.

Presumably, the Spider could have been one of the people killed last night as well. I assume their night action would still happen even if they were killed.

Right, I guess I should have been more clear with my surprise at seeing an insanification. I was surprised that the spider was still alive as of last night. Yesterday I was speculating that Elohcin was Spider due to the fact that she didn't check into the sight at all during Night 1 and we saw no insanification Day 2, then she was killed Night 2 and we had no insanifaction Day 4 (presumably because Eloohcin was dead Night 3). So that led me to wonder if we could use that to confirm that she was, in fact, bad rather than just assume it.

But two people, Ambray and Roxy said they didn't think Elohcin was Spider, but when I asked them to elaborate, they didn't. And now we have another insanifcation proving that the spider is alive (unless something else caused MP to go crazy). Which made me then wonder, why did Ambray and Roxy seem to think Spider was alive. Ambray is dead and maybe Roxy can't answer per game rules, but it struck me as odd at the time.

That'd be great if one of the people who died last night was Spider. We know Creeper is still alive, and at this point I guess if Elohcin was bad she had to be Skeleton which is also great because that role can screw with lynches.

So MP being insanified means the Spider is still alive? The only people who commented on my thinking that Elohcin was Spider due to the lack of insanification Night 1 and Night 3 said they didn't think she was Spider but never followed up with why when I asked (Ambray and Roxy).

I am definitely still down for lynching Boogs. He is acting more like a cornered baddie than a civvie.

I got worn out from doing so much thread reading yesterday and took a break last night, but I'm going to try to finish my big reread today.

EBWOP: Stevie's decision to kill rey is interesting...

That may or may not have been good. I feel like rey was floating under the radar which isn't typical civvie rey.

Boogs, are you saying you think MP is Hero? Because Herobrine killed on the night MP was dead, so I really don't see how that could be possible. In all of my years of playing mafia, I've never seen a role than can still use their power beyond the grave (except Bea and LB's American Horror Story over oh Hedville, but I would be utterly and completely shocked if Herobine could both appear civvie upon death AND use his power while dead; not to mention as I brought up before, if MP was Herobrine and appeared civvie, then the real player with that role would have spoken up and said, "Hey now! That isn't right!" but no one did).

At this point I think you're doing what Epignosis did and trying to draw attention away from you by trying to make us second-guess what's happening with MP.

*Woah, host linki* RIPIYWG Ambray, rey, and SVS. The villager killed. Which means they targeted one of the mafia and protected them at the expense of killing a player. But the Villager used it to kill Ambray...that makes me very nervous since I thought she was civvie for sure. I'm not thrilled with that decision.

And Stevie's to kill rey is interesting...

I fear 3 civvies may have died tonight. At best we lost 2 civvies. This might really be game over for the civvies if we can't find a mafia today.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Bank sounds good.

Ah, just came across your post where you picked Bank.

LittleTiger wrote:I see I have been accused of being a low poster. Guilty as charged. I was lamenting my death in Epig's game which annoyed me greatly. I also have been doing my taxes.

Here is the Day 0 poll - I copied it before it ended so am not sure if anyone voted after I snagged it:

MINECRAFT - DAY ZERO

Where should Stevie and Stevie work today?

Poll runs till Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:27 pm

The Bank
2
Boogs (3), He-Man (13)


The Ship
4
Epignosis (4), Elohcin (10), Snow Dog (11), Flyin' High (15)


The House
12
Ambray (5), birdwithteeth11 (6), thellama73 (7), LittleTiger (8), >SpaghettiEverywhere (9), Russtifinko (12), blindfaeth (14), indiglo (16), S~V~S (18), Roxy (19), reywaS (20), MovingPictures07 (22)


Now, I am going to have some coffee and reread the thread before I decide who is looking suspect....

I put that voting order together based off this and didn't see that you'd voted.

But interesting that you say you picked Bank!

I'm definitely now thinking Boogs is bad. The question for me is whether he's mafia or Herobrine. BWT's case has him being mafia which I can totally see. My rationale has him as Herobrine, but that's only based on an off-hand comment by Snow Dog that I may be reading too much into.

Okay, going to go start my thread reread from the start now.

Boogs wrote:BWT of course you are gonna come after me because I figured out Ambray caught onto you and you are bad

Here's where I just don't get it.

Ambray went after BWT because she thought he targeted her for the night kill, thus making him Herobrine. You also say he is bad because Ambray says he is bad. However, llama has said he is so sure that BWT is civvie that he'd say MP is a baddie recruit before saying BWT isn't civvie. If, for BWT to be bad, he's Herobrine, then why on earth would llama defend him? No one in this game wants Herobrine alive.

blindfaeth wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:

Boogs wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:

thellama73 wrote:If we trust Russ that either indi or Boogs is bad, I would bet Boogs since he voted for a civvie four nights in a row.

Right, and indi was an Epignosis voter and was killed by Herobrine so it couldn't have been her. Whoever Russ targeted on Night 1 or 2 must have been targeted by both indi and Boogs on the same night and was also either killed or had a kill attempted on them that night which would have led Russ to say that.

After I'm done reading through Day 3 I want to go back through boogs' posts again and also see who may have been defending boogs (blindfaeth immediately comes to mind).

I had voted for Snow 2 times because I felt he was bad and have been consistent with voting on how I felt. It is my first game so maybe I don't pick up as some others. I felt confident Snow was bad but obviously was proven wrong. Honestly, I really feel the lynch needs to be BWT because Ambray was on to something but I'm not going to say more to give info to the baddies.

As for BF, we both have been busy and haven't been on and posting as much as MP and others. That doesn't make us being low posters "bad" because we have other thing going on. BF has been pretty good seeing who is bad and I think he is also Civ.

Others have been wrong lynching Civs including MP himself leading the Russ lynch.

It seems like your response completely ignored what I was pointing out by quoting Russ' posts though. He indicated that he felt either you or indi were bad and that we'd understand why he said that if he got lynched. He was the Minecart. Meaning he can track a player and see who targets them at night. What're your thoughts on that?

Didn't he also say right before he got lynched though that he thought boogs was good and not to lynch him?

You're referring to this post I assume:

Russtifinko wrote:

reywaS wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:I am feeling a bit nervous about this lynch because it seems like a nice bandwagon has formed on Russ, but for lack of a stronger candidate, I will vote for him as well.

It makes me a little nervous as well. The baddie team either just completely gave up on Russ or they are laughing their asses off right now. The signs do point to Russ being bad though, so that's where my vote will go.

Vote: Russ

They're laughing.

I just wanted to publicly apologize for my behavior this game. I've said some things I shouldn't have, and I should have thought about how being on vacation would affect my ability to play well and contribute. I just hope I haven't affected anyone's playing experience in a negative way. It's a shame to go out like this, because it was the most fun I've had playing so far. You guys are in for a fun game. Good luck civs! I think you have a great chance to win.

I admit to some frustration with my lynch. Epi was the first time I had correctly deduced someone's role, and being killed for being right felt like having defeat snatched out of the jaws of victory. I felt my intelligence being insulted, though I now realize that I'd not the case. It doesn't excuse my defense post, but I hope it clarifies somewhat why I reacted so vehemently. I was also shocked at how quickly opinion turned against me, and that so many were willing to go along on the lynch without hearing more from me. As I said, that was my fault for signing up when I knew I'd be away.

Having only been on my phone the last few days, rereads have been tough, do though I had suspicions before I left, I can't speculate on who baddies may be right now. You guys cam figure it out yourselves, I trust. I will say I don't think it would be fair to lynch boogs just because I flip civ. As I said, for me everything points to him most likely being civ, with a few posts that read as newbie. You can make your own decisions though.

Have fun, everyone! Pleasure playing. And thanks again to Kate and Andrew for hosting. I'm off to more vaca :-)

I don't necessarily think he was suddenly clearing boogs, just saying that he didn't want anyone to jump to conclusions based on what he said initially. Rather that people should make an informed decision, rather than a rash one.

Roxy wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Assuming I am alive tomorrow, I will be voting BF, unless someone can convince me otherwise that llama or someone else is baddie. But I don't think so. I want to hear his response, but my gut when I read over his posts just screamed baddie to me.

I think you're paranoid that I'm pulling the wool over your eyes again like I did in computer lab mafia way back. I assure you that you can trust me.

FWIW I thought the Rey post above this was a little odd, saying ill read someone and then not doing it is something I only do when I'm bad or uninterested. Could be he's busy too but just thought I'd share.

If anyone would read Rey they would see all he has done id say he is going to read other people but then keeps coming back to llama without ever reading who he said he was going to read.
Linky FH - please respond to my posts

Sorry Roxy! A couple of your recent posts I missed in linkitis.

First, I had started to wonder about rey yesterday because I too had forgotten he was playing and realized I had absolutely no opinion on his allegiance this game. I told myself that if Snow Dog flipped mafia, that rey was likely his teammate due to hesistation in wanting to lynch Snow Dog. That didn't happen but it doesn't clear rey either.

Roxy wrote:FH - I am beginning to think that SVS was right when she said indi was bad. She could have been the spider tbh.

Also you've made no mention on the points I made about spaghetti or bf. What are your thought regarding them? What about boogs?

My main reason for thinking indi was good is because she was one of the few players that voted Epignosis on Day 1. And she was a late voter for him which helped put him in the lead for that lynch, thus forcing the mafia to use their only lynch switch. And she was killed by Herobrine. So unless she decided to throw Epignosis under the bus big time Day 1 (which isn't something I can ever see indi doing), I really don't see how she could have been bad.

As for Boogs--I am currently beginning to wonder if Boogs is Herobrine. He voted Bank (possible indy option?), Russ said we should look at either indi or Boogs and we'd know why if he got lynched (Russ was Minecart), and Snow Dog indicated that Boogs may have slipped up when he mentioned the Golem blocking Herobrine (Snow Dog was Golem). None of that is concrete and I still want to go back and start reading the thread from the start (so far today I've only read through Day 3 to present) to see if anything else sticks out. *Major linkitis with BWT--I'll read his case on boogs more closely once I post this*

As for spaghetti--I was initially pinged by him Day 1 when he voted He-Man out of the blue. But decided that wasn't enough reason to condemn him since it was Day 1 after all. Since then, I feel like he has been very blendy. He is another player that I will keep an eye on during my full reread of the thread.

And blindfaeth--I am torn. He keeps defending boogs and I can't decide if it's because he is defending his boyfriend, honestly thinks boogs is civvie, or if by some wild twist they are actually baddie teammates and the mafia consisted of two couples (I find the chances of that to be pretty small though). BF has had a lot of posts in this game I've agreed with. But then some of his behavior has made me wonder if he isn't one of the remaining mafia.

So long story short, rey, spaghetti, and BF are on my "keep a close eye on while rereading thread list" and Boogs I feel may be bad (possibly Herobrine).

Day 0 Voting Order:
1. Boogs (Bank)
2. Epignosis (Ship)
3. Ambray (House)
4. BWT (House)
5. thellama (House)
6. LittleTiger (House)
7. spaghetti (House)
8. Elohcin (Ship)
9. Snow Dog (Ship)
10. Russtifinko (House)
11. He-Man (Bank)
12. blindfaeth (House)
13. Flyin' High (Ship)
14. indiglo (House)
15. S~V~S (House)
16. Roxy (House)
17. reywaS (House)
18. MovingPictures (House)
Didn't vote: DP

[b][u]Day 1 Voting Order[/u]:[/b] 1. thellama (DP) 2. BWT (Snow Dog) 3. reywaS (thellama) 4. Ambray (BWT) 5. He-Man (Epignosis) 6. Boogs (Snow Dog) 7. blindfaeth (MP) 8. Flyin' High (Epignosis) 9. spaghetti (He-Man) 10. DP (spaghetti) 11. S~V~S (thellama) 12. Elohcin (DP) 13. LT (MP) 14. Russtifinko (thellama) 15. Roxy (Epignosis) 16. MP (Epignosis) 17. Epignosis (thellama) 18. indiglo (Epignosis) 19. Snow Dog (reywaS) [b]Lynched: MovingPictures (Full Iron Armor)[/b]

[b][u]Day 2 Voting Order[/u]:[/b] 1. S~V~S (thellama) 2. blindfaeth (Epignosis) 3. Boogs (thellama) 4. MovingPictures (Epignosis) 5. Flyin' High (Epignosis) 6. reywaS (Epignosis) 7. DisgruntledPorcupine (Epignosis) 8. Russtifinko (Epignosis) 9. LittleTiger (Epignosis) 10. Ambray (Epignosis) 11. Snow Dog (DisgruntledPorcupine) 12. spaghetti (Epignosis) 13. thellama (DisgruntledPorcupine) 14. Roxy (Epignosis) 15. He-Man (Epignosis) 16. Epignosis (thellama) 17. birdwithteeth (Epignosis) 18. Elohcin (Epignosis) [b]Lynched: Epignosis (Zombie)[/b]

[b][u]Day 3 Voting Order[/u]:[/b] 1. S~V~S (Russtifinko) 2. blindfaeth (Russtifinko) 3. Boogs (Russtifinko) 4. spaghetti (Russtifinko) 5. birdwithteeth (Russtifinko) 6. LittleTiger (Russtifinko) 7. thellama (Russtifinko) 8. MovingPictures (Russtifinko) 9. Flyin' High (Russtifinko) 10. DisgruntledPorcupine (Russtifinko) 11. reywaS (Russtifinko) 12. Roxy (Russtifinko) Didn't vote: Russtifinko, Snow Dog, Ambray* *I wasn't sure if Ambray voted [b]Lynched: Russtifinko (Minecart)[/b]

[b][u]Day 4 Voting Order[/u]:[/b] 1. S~V~S (Ambray) 2. thellama (Snow Dog) 3. blindfaeth (Ambray) 4. birdwithteeth (Snow Dog) 5. Boogs (Snow Dog) 6. spaghetti (thellama) 7. DisgruntledPorcupine (Snow Dog) 8. Snow Dog (Ambray) 9. reywaS (thellama) Didn't vote: Ambray, Flyin' High, MovingPictures, Roxy [b]Lynched: Snow Dog (Iron Golem)[/b]

**Standard Disclaimer: If you see any mistakes please let me know so I can correct them! I got all of the voting order from poll screencaps except for Day 3 which I had to piece together from reading the thread.

Sorry, that post was directed at Boogs.

You wouldn't have had to target Russ.

Russtifinko's power allowed him to pick a player, let's call them Player A. Then he would find out who targeted player A that night. So if Player B and Player C used their powers on Player A, then Russ would know that.

And if Player A also happened to have been killed or targeted for a kill that same night, then Russ could deduce that Player B or Player C were responsible for that.

Snow Dog wrote:Just skimmed through everything. First I wasn't against a house vote. I was simple questioning some peoples reasons for voting it. ie "We don't have a house, let's build one"

About Boogs slip up about the blocking. Maybe he is Herobrine and knows he was blocked?

Further than that. Don't lynch me.

If anyone wants any further explanations or I have missed something, let me know.

Here's another post that just stood out to me since we now know that Snow Dog was the civvie blocker.

Boogs wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:

thellama73 wrote:If we trust Russ that either indi or Boogs is bad, I would bet Boogs since he voted for a civvie four nights in a row.

Right, and indi was an Epignosis voter and was killed by Herobrine so it couldn't have been her. Whoever Russ targeted on Night 1 or 2 must have been targeted by both indi and Boogs on the same night and was also either killed or had a kill attempted on them that night which would have led Russ to say that.

After I'm done reading through Day 3 I want to go back through boogs' posts again and also see who may have been defending boogs (blindfaeth immediately comes to mind).

I had voted for Snow 2 times because I felt he was bad and have been consistent with voting on how I felt. It is my first game so maybe I don't pick up as some others. I felt confident Snow was bad but obviously was proven wrong. Honestly, I really feel the lynch needs to be BWT because Ambray was on to something but I'm not going to say more to give info to the baddies.

As for BF, we both have been busy and haven't been on and posting as much as MP and others. That doesn't make us being low posters "bad" because we have other thing going on. BF has been pretty good seeing who is bad and I think he is also Civ.

Others have been wrong lynching Civs including MP himself leading the Russ lynch.

It seems like your response completely ignored what I was pointing out by quoting Russ' posts though. He indicated that he felt either you or indi were bad and that we'd understand why he said that if he got lynched. He was the Minecart. Meaning he can track a player and see who targets them at night. What're your thoughts on that?

Ambray wrote:I don't think Elo was the Spider.

That's a good catch FH, definitely something to look at.

Hrm, so you think she was the Skeleton then? I'd rather her have been the Skeleton because his role can have a much more negative impact on polls.

Any reason why though?

thellama73 wrote:If we trust Russ that either indi or Boogs is bad, I would bet Boogs since he voted for a civvie four nights in a row.

Right, and indi was an Epignosis voter and was killed by Herobrine so it couldn't have been her. Whoever Russ targeted on Night 1 or 2 must have been targeted by both indi and Boogs on the same night and was also either killed or had a kill attempted on them that night which would have led Russ to say that.

After I'm done reading through Day 3 I want to go back through boogs' posts again and also see who may have been defending boogs (blindfaeth immediately comes to mind).