The Syndicate

Don't like that Drag and Owner didn't break the tie.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:21 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:06 am You have a history of flattering me when bad.

This is not as bad as suspecting me for an RIP post, but it's down there. Leave this one in the trash; it's not a real tell.

Doesn't mean my vote will end up there.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:45 am Ok I'll join on Sabie. Sabie/Michelle/Drag + ?

[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

Someone who knows people here well, please answer about the derps and my thoughts on Epi?

i forgot drag was playing lol

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:36 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:07 am Starting in Dexter on LP

Staaaaaap

You have any actual thoughts on the game or you just gonna shit on all my posts in particular, bro?

Starting in Dexter on LP

You have a history of flattering me when bad.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am I was gonna ask you the same thing. Do you want to try to lynch each other?

If not I’m voting for Timmer for now.

Why

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:22 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am I voted sabie last lynch and I preferred her to Creature... I was pretty meh on the Creature lynch. His constant complaining about how we play Mafia grated on me enough that I didn't give a damn. He was great for the mafia.

I do not like these situations we’re in where all of the lynched are “meh”.

So let's change that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:28 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:21 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:17 am Right now I'm totally down with Dom over Tony for the Civ side of things. That is to say Dom has impressed me in the Civ fashion. Whereas Tony is alluding to scumminess because of my invisible, plus he did engage in the Chess, which could have been a scum distraction on his end somehow.

Yeah Dom is winning the war I know when I’m beat.

It's a taste of peak Mafia virtuosity that I'm glad to see Dom displaying. Dom, don't stop playing Mafia when you can make posts like that, you are lifeblood.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:22 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am I voted sabie last lynch and I preferred her to Creature... I was pretty meh on the Creature lynch. His constant complaining about how we play Mafia grated on me enough that I didn't give a damn. He was great for the mafia.

I do not like these situations we’re in where all of the lynched are “meh”.

All the lynched were "meh"? Is that the situation we're in? Help an old man out here.

Hey LC--

I appreciate the nice words.

But... uhh... this post didn't do you any favors in my book.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:40 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:31 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:42 pm Look, if sabie is a civilian, then whatever.

We have sabie six posts.

Creature "I am bored with this site I wish I was out of this game"

sprityo has a whopping four posts.

What am I to do with that?

Let’s ping them constantly.

@sprityo
@sabie12

Just wondering-- do you think this is cute?

[mention]Long Con[/mention]
who do you want to lynch?

So who do we lynch, Tony?

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

whattup dude let's play

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:23 pm I voted for Jack.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:54 pm I advocated lynching sabie because she's dead weight to the civilian faction. That still holds true now. You tried to analyze her posts, which seemed like overkill.

OK... if we hve no other options, sure.

But... like... who's bad?

A post I wanted to make last night.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pm Okay Dom in the other game which we can now talk about you were town and pursued a case about another townie aggressively. Here you "lead" the case against Nutella except that was basically an ISO and a vote; you put more substance into the case here but to me it seemed like it lacked the same passion. Maybe I'm wrong. Obviously different circumstances and all that, but someone said something I think in this game that gave me the impression that you are in fact generally a very aggressive player and that is not the impression I've gotten so far. Again, maybe I'm wrong.

I think its fairly aggressively to pursue a player for several days and then create a massive iso which results in their lynch.
Who else got nutella lynched?
You?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pm On the "vague case" thing. Yes it's vague. Oh well. I think you're scum. I don't have a wall of evidence. Most good players aren't going to leave behind a wall of evidence. Also Nutella would still have full interest in hunting scum given her role; the fact that she was neutral doesn't make that case any less viable.

"Most good players aren't going to leave behind a wall of evidence" doesn't quite square with "Basically an iso and a vote"
Which is it? Am I a bad player or a good player? Am I bad because I didn't try enough or am I bad because I left behind a wall of evidence? Why is your standard different than mine?

You're not just not throwing strikes, bro. You're pelting the batter.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pmOn the "whatever to whoever" thing. Fair I guess. I tried to define "off" but it didn't really go so well. To clear things up I didn't intend for equal opportunity attacker to be negative and when I reviewed some of your games I saw a lot of posts of the same style so I'm going to call it NAI.

But you didn't say that. And you spent the day trying to lynch me.
So... what does "off" mean? It didn't go well, you're right. Why? Let's unpack that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pmOn the salad thing (which I'm getting very defensive about and if when the game is over I was in fact correct you guys are gonna be hearing about it): it's not? I don't think? I don't see the connection between my attempt to generate discussion on mafia teams and me giving any sort of non-committal preferences on lynches, which is what I thought salad is. Please enlighten me if I am in fact wrong.

Weird that I didn't accuse you of salad-ing, but rather, Jack.
Any reason why you're defensive on that?

i made a baseball joke and i think that means juliets is gonna go watch baseball so go me

What I mean, Jack, is that nutella said you were bad rather disingenuously. She knew it.

I no longer am convinced that is the case.

Jack-- if you could stop willfully misunderstanding me, that'd be great.

dragomir and owner have some splaining to do

I would have voted for sabie.

I took a breather from mafia
I'll try to actually play now.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:57 am I'm here, I'm just busy. But I'm following the conversations pretty well, I'm just not posting a ton as it would just be a string of I'm not sures. Tomorrow my kids head back to their mom and I'll settle in for a read.

Timmer seemed to actually do this.
Good

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:32 am
Dom still being an equal opportunity attacker.
Dom when you made this vote I was also voting for Jack. Do you still think Jack is scum?

Not really. He followed up and actually played.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:36 am Thats the end of the 3:30 Dom ISO. It was rather short lived, some high quality posts and reactions but very little in terms of full substance in analysis. It also all feels off to me. The thing with sig seems forced, the case on Rej (and Nutella for that matter) seems noncommittal for how much effort was put in on Dom’s part, it just seems off.

A few things here:
1) "off" is just about as unspecific you can get. What do you mean? What's the implication?

Readers should notice that this is the second time someone has made a vague accusation about me. observant raders will remember thi was nutella's exact tactic.
And she was bad.

2) My case on nutella was noncomittal?
I led her lynch. Bullshit.


Come back with some substance.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:03 pm I don't know why "equal opportunity attacker" is being used as a pejorative.

I'm an equal opportunity attacker.

You see-- it just sounds kind of negative, but zero connection has been made from it to any sort of alignment indication, so it can mean whatever to whoever.
That's Tony's aim.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:15 pm Ok, I don't see where Dom pushed for her after his ISO. I guess the thing I've got to wrestle with is whether this is just a style point, i.e., this is the way Dom does his ISO's. It will help me Tony when you give some meat to your feeling that he's "off".

linki, lol Epi now you know why I'm asking all these "but why" questions

This is a great example of Tony's words meaning whatever to whoever.
Tony never defines what "off" means, so juliets is left to fill in the blank herself.

I think I did what I could with the time I had. I don't think nutella gets lynched without my posting about her. You're fucking welcome, everyone.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:23 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:32 pm Jackofhearts2005, I took a look at your ISO to see why you were voting Dom and all I saw was the quote you called player salad. I saw where you liked his case about nutella. Was the player salad post enough to convince you he is bad? It seems kinda weak to me but maybe I missed something when I did his ISO.

Tony outlined some stuff from Dom that doesn’t really look pure in addition to the salad.

In particular, I’m not a fan of him being like “Nutella is bad for saying people are bad for no reason instead of hunting” Nutella being like “Yeah Jack is bad for no reason” Nutella being lynched as cult and then Dom being like “Nutella has a point on Jack tho.”

Like wut? The entire reason we lynched Nutella was that she didn’t have a point. Not just on me, either.

Feels like not a real thing for Dom to suspect me for.

That's... not it.
Nutella had no reason to suspect you. That's correct. That's entirely the problem. It's not that she had a point-- it's actually that she did not have one.
I suspected you might be teammates. I didn't like how you weren't posting and sayin gyou would catch up. Now, you've done that so that's gone.
Cool lying though.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:31 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:07 pm Fuck, I had a whole thing about how it seemed like juliets and Luna were linked but that's because I thought Luna was on the baddie team but now I see she was an indy so it makes no sense.

not a townslip sorry

same exact thought.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:15 pm Ok, I don't see where Dom pushed for her after his ISO. I guess the thing I've got to wrestle with is whether this is just a style point, i.e., this is the way Dom does his ISO's. It will help me Tony when you give some meat to your feeling that he's "off".

linki, lol Epi now you know why I'm asking all these "but why" questions

Give me about an hour and I’ll come back to this. The short of it is that the sense I’ve gotten of Dom from what others have told me and from what I’ve read of games that he’s in and even in this game is that he’s an aggressive player in general. Given that, the expectation would be that he finishes his cases. Dom instead hasn’t finished any cases.

OK Tony that would be great. I have to go for a swim now anyway.

Hello I just read Dom games for almost an hour and I am not able enough to parse what is going on in most of them to make a compelling argument on that front. I am obliged by honor as well not to talk about another ongoing game, which is the only real opportunity I’ve had to get a feel outside of this game for how Dom plays. I am not spending more time on this I have things to get done tonight.

It is, however, scummy in general not to finish cases. Town has investment in cases, a town ISO suggests that an attempt was made to gain information and make some progress towards town victory. A town member who believes they have strong evidence also believes that this is the key to success and will always pursue that outside of specific examples otherwise. Because almost all mafia ISOs/reads are performative they do not in theory have investment in the cases they've made because they have not gained information. Mafia is free to make any statements but isn’t compelled to act on them because they don’t have new information to defend — they already know who is scum and who is not. This doesn’t mean that mafia members are more likely to change their mind or that town members are less likely to do so but it does mean that Mafia has no reason to be attached to reads.
Of note: this has been the cornerstone of at least two cases previously made in this game: mine against Epi 1.0 and Epi’s against Luna. Both were wrong(ish).

You've been talking about me like you know my game very well so far. Now you claim to not know me well enough.
What's your issue with the now finished game? I think there's a pretty ugly stain there that might explain exactly what's happened in that game and why I vanished here.

This is a whole lot of nothing-- hoping to lynch a player he suspects will be easy to lynch, but I'm not an easy target.
You're in the big leagues. Try throwing a strike.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:48 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:15 pm Ok, I don't see where Dom pushed for her after his ISO. I guess the thing I've got to wrestle with is whether this is just a style point, i.e., this is the way Dom does his ISO's. It will help me Tony when you give some meat to your feeling that he's "off".

linki, lol Epi now you know why I'm asking all these "but why" questions

Give me about an hour and I’ll come back to this. The short of it is that the sense I’ve gotten of Dom from what others have told me and from what I’ve read of games that he’s in and even in this game is that he’s an aggressive player in general. Given that, the expectation would be that he finishes his cases. Dom instead hasn’t finished any cases.

OK Tony that would be great. I have to go for a swim now anyway.

Hello I just read Dom games for almost an hour and I am not able enough to parse what is going on in most of them to make a compelling argument on that front. I am obliged by honor as well not to talk about another ongoing game, which is the only real opportunity I’ve had to get a feel outside of this game for how Dom plays. I am not spending more time on this I have things to get done tonight.

It is, however, scummy in general not to finish cases. Town has investment in cases, a town ISO suggests that an attempt was made to gain information and make some progress towards town victory. A town member who believes they have strong evidence also believes that this is the key to success and will always pursue that outside of specific examples otherwise. Because almost all mafia ISOs/reads are performative they do not in theory have investment in the cases they've made because they have not gained information. Mafia is free to make any statements but isn’t compelled to act on them because they don’t have new information to defend — they already know who is scum and who is not. This doesn’t mean that mafia members are more likely to change their mind or that town members are less likely to do so but it does mean that Mafia has no reason to be attached to reads.
Of note: this has been the cornerstone of at least two cases previously made in this game: mine against Epi 1.0 and Epi’s against Luna. Both were wrong(ish).

This is a useless lecture. What does it have to do with Dom?

It doesn't.
Why do you think he made it?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:30 pm At least Tony probably not wolfin with Dom.

what

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:47 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:36 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:30 pm At least Tony probably not wolfin with Dom.

Raisins?

Teeing him up early this day phase.

Oh... I see...
Like how I did with nutella... but...

okay.

Sure... let's go with that.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:04 pm Sabie looks bad but not as bad as Creature.

Honestly, Tony’s bucket thing looks pretty bad. Seems like the kinda thing I’d come up with to justify stupid reads.

“I arbitrarily guessed there are +1 scum in this arbitrary bucket. Therefore *bad vote*”

it's buffet style player salad

the kind of salad that he said I made earlier.

timmer is probably bad guys

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:39 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 11:55 pm What's wrong with Dom novaselinenever?

Or should we be taking a look at Dom and Dragomir because of nova dying? hmm

why

what

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 2:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:33 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:52 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:45 am Listen-- I;m cool with a lunalee or jack lynch, but i don't see the jack pushback

why lynch Jack? I really don't see it.

This is a really good post. Either Luna is a dedicated Civ, or playing with fire as a baddie.

However, I am really sure that Epi made the big case on Luna because he red-peeked her, and that's how you do it in a no-infodropping game. The fact that his points against her were, to me, varying levels of weak, only strengthens that belief.

So now we are seeing Luna defend Jack. Perhaps we are meant, post-baddie-Luna-lynch, to conclude that Jack is bad. Maybe that's her play here.

Not defending Jack, just wanted to know why Dom thinks Jack should be lynched.

I just want to have a discussion while we lynch you.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:48 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:19 pm Nutella v Dom is baddie on baddie crime.

1 out of 2. Dom when?

stop embarassing yourself.

Listen-- I;m cool with a lunalee or jack lynch, but i don't see the jack pushback

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:04 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:40 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:02 pm That's a rough night.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:09 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

it wasn't me

you sunk my battleship

Joke stealer !

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:14 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:06 pm jack you can be bad despite jumping on my suspicion that was correct...

I’m unconvinced by this line of reasoning.

Why would you be convinced of a line of reasoning that your life depends on not believing?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:09 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:36 am Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.

The player who wants to look very Civ will sternly advise us to play the rest of the Day as though Luna were not on the table.

Yo Long Con, who would you lynch today if I were not an option?

Probably not Jack.

@TonyStarkPrime

I concede. I thought my queen's knight was already out on the fourth move because I was looking ahead a few moves and forgot the board state. I can see I'm toast.

why

jack you can be bad despite jumping on my suspicion that was correct...

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:13 pm Especially when dealing with straight facts.

You haven't presented a single one.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:13 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:59 pm I'm cool with dragomir, lunalee or nutella going. Maybe creature.

Do you any preference?

I kept my vote where it was and I'm happy with the result.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:33 pm Tag me when someone does something worth reading

Does Mac leave the work to others a lot?

No.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:50 pm Fuck me im not caught up. Point me towards the cases on Luna and Drago (or whoever).

lol this reeks.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:53 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:01 pm On my note about it being worth noticing if JoH ever catches back up etc.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 pm ......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

I am not going to argue with it since I am so far behind.

I don't see much progress from here. Just one thing where he asked lunalee to respond to a point he made.

Yeah sue me.

ok [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:04 pm ......that's not even a case

and yet it nailed you-- didn't it?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:04 pm it's literally just a summary of my posts there is no thesis

sometimes you don't need to be so arrogant to arrive at an errant conclusion.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:06 pm I am back. Who should I vote for?

not me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:09 pm Watch me fuck this up.

This is not tmi but rather a losing streak eating my self confidence.

....yikes

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:10 pm [VOTE: luna] aubergine

nutella’s vote for me is silly, but they always are. Why does she have votes?

Cause she’s contributing nothing and throwing shade.

I took a quick glance at her posts and did not get this impression.

A few things that have been said about luna looked good to me, and she made one post earlier that looked like mafia trying to downplay suspicion. That constitutes a strong vote for me at this moment in time.

She’s called me scum twice for no good reason.

There's reason.
She needed to go, but she wasn't wrong about you.


let's remmeber nutella was bad.
where does that lead us?

On my note about it being worth noticing if JoH ever catches back up etc.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 pm ......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

I am not going to argue with it since I am so far behind.

I don't see much progress from here. Just one thing where he asked lunalee to respond to a point he made.

I'm cool with dragomir, lunalee or nutella going. Maybe creature.

Nutella ISO for you all, since I only say things that don't matter according to the queen of bullshit.

Almost all jokes. Claims sig and Drago are civs. Not a great look to me.
(2) posts on topic. Which is fine for Day 0. The content of those posts are just garbage. I don't trust Drago and sig was bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:08 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:18 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:11 pm Attention everyone. I don't like Nutella.

I'm on the same bus. She a bad girl.

Hey buzz off. I'm seriously too occupied with real life to deal with being suspected for no reason. Kindly direct your bullshit elsewhere.

This will be a pattern for nutella. She will continuously just say she's buy, but not too busy to complain about other people.
Four consecutive posts of "I agree".

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:18 am ........LC thinks Epi is on fire. Like in a good way.

Man, this Mercury retrograde really hit hard, huh.

This is her last post before I call her out for lack of content, but not posts.

You be the judge. Was that justified? Read this iso yourself. Is this the content she later claimed it to be?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:43 am

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 7:42 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:18 am ........LC thinks Epi is on fire. Like in a good way.

Man, this Mercury retrograde really hit hard, huh.

ha ha
you haven't shared a single thought all game. just posted about how you're not around and made snarky jokes.
what gives?

bullshit I have posted several thoughts. how about you actually read my posts and try again

I read your posts. I've made my commentary. I don't think it was unreasonable to say you weren't really playing.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:48 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:28 am *is confused how Dragomir has 3 votes*

wait yeah what? I think he's been one of the more townie voices so far but apparently some people disagree

If this is my avenue of suspicion on Nutella, I'd like to lynch drago first.
This is the post where nutella defends her record and tries to savage mine. You be the judge, I guess.

I don't think my analysis is unfair.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:12 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:56 am I'd actively like to hear from mr. Dragomir...

I wanted rej to open up a bit about the game, because we've all blindered ourselves as civs at least once, and I thought posts about others might give us a better picture.

Well here he says dragomir should be able to read his meta and know that this is a civ rej move... So, id like to hear about this from dragomir, who sure went quiet after it seemed like this Lynch was a done deal.

The flip side to this? Rej finding only something to say about someone who is voting him is s bit self serving and calculated, so I'm definitely not moving my vote at this time.

Hmmmm this is pretty insightful. I'll have to look into drago/rej interactions and maybe I'll understand more why people suspect drago.

Now drago might be bad. Could be genuine, we'll see!

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:05 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:49 pm Nutella played basically like this:
-fluffing from the sidelines (early posts)
-lunching me, also commenting from the sidelines
-doing a pseudo iso on Dom and some gth
-commenting from the sidelines

I heard nutella can perform far more impressive, I don't know her meta, but did she bring forward the DP somehow?
I don't mind voting between Drago and Nutella right now.

Not sure what you mean bring forward the dp, but I am considering the other side after your recent posts. I won't have time to look much into Drago before the deadline, but based on how the discussion goes I could be convinced to vote him over you.

AGain-- she says she'll follow up. We'll see.
Here I am seeing a defense of a meta. Sure. Whatever.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:16 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:05 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:49 pm Nutella played basically like this:
-fluffing from the sidelines (early posts)
-lunching me, also commenting from the sidelines
-doing a pseudo iso on Dom and some gth
-commenting from the sidelines

I heard nutella can perform far more impressive, I don't know her meta, but did she bring forward the DP somehow?
I don't mind voting between Drago and Nutella right now.

Not sure what you mean bring forward the dp, but I am considering the other side after your recent posts. I won't have time to look much into Drago before the deadline, but based on how the discussion goes I could be convinced to vote him over you.

Are you just convinced by my posts or do you have an own opinion on the drago case? I don't see myself as overly good scumhunter, but I just feel like pointing out some things and getting some things pointed out.

Bringing forward the DP = contributing and concluding. For your case the only noteable I have seen was an ISO case on Dom for example.

Mostly starting to be convinced by your posts, but I also liked rimmer's point about drago's relative lack of comment on your lynch train (which I still need to verify for myself)

Admits she hasn't really followed up on the thing she said she would. Maybe she will!
BUT ! All of a sudden, she is even more open to the idea. It's almost like her following up is not really going to change anything because this is pre-planned? Got to start distancing from Drago?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:19 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:10 pm This: "does it mean that this are mostly civillians jumping over to look and make right decisions or could it be baddies who approach to save someone?"

This: "On the other side I don't know if mafia profits from mislynching Dragomir, when Dragomir approaches me or other people agressively. "

This: "I heard nutella can perform far more impressive"

The first two statements have a real calculation behind them. I don't think a civ would care this much about trying to define the makeup of a Lynch train. It's day 1. Stuff happens and we vote. But why worry about how a mislynch would look? A civ shouldn't care how a Lynch would look to baddies at all, and a civ seems less likely to use the term mislynch here because a civ rej doesn't know what drag is.

The third statement makes me wonder about btsc.


So I'm staying put.

Aaand now this is making me feel better about staying on rej.

Just kidding.
Non-content.

At this point, I start to realize that my prodding her worked. She is participating more.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:07 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:59 pm If the wagons will be frozen like this, then I have no other option than switching over to Creature and trust the senses of those voting for him.

I'm down for this. I find myself agreeing more and more with dizzy that you make more sense as town here, and I suspected creature early. Let's try it. [VOTE: creature] aubergine

Three posts prior, she was convinced she should stay on Rej. Then, rej himself convinces her to vote on an opposing lynch train.

Okay?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:07 pm RIP dizzy, and guess I can't read sig for shit. I like owner's "cluster" theory and think Mac is town; would be willing to lynch epi for sure.

This is nutella's first mention of Epi beyond saying it's weird that LC and Epi are posting the way they are.

And he's bad?
And Mac is town?

I haven't seen enough out of Mac either way.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:20 am I am proposing a Lunalee / Creature / Michelle team.

I got that, and I dig it.

You might recall that literally one post ago, nutella was saying she'd lynch the guy giving her a suggestion that she voices openness to.
Why? What gives?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:15 am You guys can dislike my fickle agreements with things all you want but they are sincere. I liked owner's thoughts on epi, and now I like epi's case on Luna/creature/Michelle even more (I already suspected creature and I have not felt good about any of Luna's posts). I'm not convinced epi is town from it, I'm still not totally clear on how many factions are at play but even if he is really hunting scum he's not necessarily town. However, I have been imagining him as being on sig's team, so is there another team such that that could be true as well as his proposed suspects? I really need to actually read the setup lol.

Sure.
Nutella is known waffler. She often doesn't taken real stances.
But she's not really even doing that. She's only hugging other people's suspicions and then complaining those suspicions aren't being created fast enough for her.
The infamous post that I called out because for the second time, it's striking me that nutella isn't really producing content, but rather complaining that others aren't.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 3:04 pm Cool cool cool so Jack is bad. Good to know

Jack is bad because he says he's behind.
I actually dig that if Jack never follows up.
A piggyback on LC.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:49 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 pm ......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

do you know that you have control of the amount of content in the thread?

Not when I'm not fucking here? Seriously dude you need to work on prioritizing your callouts to things that actually matter, not non-existent issues

What matters?
Why don't you tell me? Seriously. Tell me.
Because I've read every post you've made and made a post by post commentary and I'm unsure on what matters to you.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:51 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:03 pm
You also are making me work.

1) That she confused Creature for Rej
2) That she voted at the last minute despite it being an inopportune time
3) That she innocently voted for a civilian when the person she said she said she suspected was up for lynch
4) That she felt the need to vote at all despite being uninformed (as she claimed).

That's a lot to buy.

This is a good summary. [VOTE: luna] aubergine

An Epi piggyback-- someone she said she'd lynch at dawn.
In which nutella appropriates a meme to make fun of me and the guy who she's following into a lynch.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:33 am
That's the problem though. Dom is only commenting on things that are a whole lot of nothing

I've yet to figure out what is "something".

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:37 am

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:17 am I'm here, doing a read back. Started with Luna as she has votes and seems crucial to judge.

So it seems like the crux of the case on her is that ok day 1 she basically said eww don't like this creature post and also supported rej a bit but then came in at the last minute and quietly voted rej which essentially lynched him?

If she had more posts on day 1 I would agree that this looks bad, but we are talking about a single mention of creature and a single mention of rej so I'm not sure I am on board.

I appreciate this perspective and I think it sounds sincere. Not sure if I agree yet but I'm certainly not 100% confident about Luna.

Okay. this is actually very typical nutella. She often times isn't staunch in her beliefs. However...
What are her other options? She's not weighing them. She's not being thoughtful. That's not good.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:33 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:15 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:10 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:49 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 pm ......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

do you know that you have control of the amount of content in the thread?

Not when I'm not fucking here? Seriously dude you need to work on prioritizing your callouts to things that actually matter, not non-existent issues

I’m voting for Dom to put attention on this exchange. I feel like something is happening here but I don’t know what it is. But it’s visible to me and I want to make sure it’s visible to other people too. I won’t be here to do other things the rest of the day. Sorry.

um, looks like a lot of nothing to me.

That's the problem though. Dom is only commenting on things that are a whole lot of nothing

To steal your condescending tone: sorry sweetie, but that's you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:54 pm What do sig's interactions with Dragomir indicate to you?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:40 pm I think both Drag abd Sloonie are mafia and this back and forth is a conspiracy. Feels very manufactured.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:21 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:14 am

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:26 am Current thoughts are in a world where Sloonie or Drag are mafia they either both are or neither are.

sig, can you talk through why you hold this opinion?

Drag's first post is reading gut bad to me, the way he upfront said he was a civ. Plus like I said I just find Sloonie/Drag interactions to be fake seeming like how two teammates would talk.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:19 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:52 am [VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Rude you're "lynching" me for no plausible reason. Besides the fact you're miffed that I explained my meta which I frequently do given my lynch ratio here i guess.

Or cause you and sloonie boy are mafia and my gut read is right.

it looks not good.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:19 pm Nutella v Dom is baddie on baddie crime.

you say a lot of things
and you don't have no reasons for them.

You're asking some great questions, sloonei...
My answer to those questions are obvious.

But what's yours?


Enjoy your kayak, dude, but don't act all shocked that someone is questioning your vote.

I fully missed that there was a page 18.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:49 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 pm ......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

do you know that you have control of the amount of content in the thread?

Not when I'm not fucking here? Seriously dude you need to work on prioritizing your callouts to things that actually matter, not non-existent issues

But.. you're here now... ?

You can produce content when you are here. Yet, you've done a lot of complaining that others aren't producing that content for you.

Produce some content that isn't complaining about my point of view without a judgement value on it.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:55 am no one:
me: huh im just here to catch up from when I wasn't here, surprised other players haven't posted more
dom: uhm sweaty guess u should have posted more while you weren't here so you could at least catch up on your own posts :-))))
epi: haha yeah u so rite
dom: rite??? she must be bad lmao
me: stares into the camera like on the office

Nutella is bad lmao.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:10 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:49 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 pm ......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

do you know that you have control of the amount of content in the thread?

Not when I'm not fucking here? Seriously dude you need to work on prioritizing your callouts to things that actually matter, not non-existent issues

I’m voting for Dom to put attention on this exchange. I feel like something is happening here but I don’t know what it is. But it’s visible to me and I want to make sure it’s visible to other people too. I won’t be here to do other things the rest of the day. Sorry.

"Something is happening here"
What's happening, Sloonei? Do tell.

I'm happy with a nutella, lunalee, or Creature lynch

sure i'll buy tht 30% off
but like... you're pushing her hard?


linki: you're back on her vote.

what think you of nutella?

epi i don't love this girll lunalee thing but vote for creature thing
it's like...
the thing you said lunalee is doing

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:33 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 pm ......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

do you know that you have control of the amount of content in the thread?

I don't know that we've ever seen eye-to-eye more than we have lately.

i'm uncomfortable.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:23 pm ......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

do you know that you have control of the amount of content in the thread?

I can see what you're saying about epi pushing rej all day and voting creature, but I'd love to hear from [mention]Lunalee[/mention] .

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:04 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:12 am Is that you scum sig? Been a while.

Mac probably town so maybe of the cluster Epi scum? hmmm I need to keep reading.

Also, who is more likely to kill Dizzy when scum? Is there a tell for that?

i have some great wine in front of me for you to try.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 6:15 pm Let's lynch Epi

why

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:21 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 7:07 pm RIP dizzy, and guess I can't read sig for shit. I like owner's "cluster" theory and think Mac is town; would be willing to lynch epi for sure.

I don’t like this.

same

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:02 pm Wow Epi I did make you work. Appreciate the insight though.

@Lunalee I would like to hear what you have to say about Epi's points.

iam agree.

I think you should try the wine in front of me

[mention]timmer[/mention], who's bad?

6) yeah

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:05 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 2:02 pmwhy

If you read my posts you will find the answer. I just think Rej is an awkward player that looks scummy. But I don't think actual scum say "Even I feel like scum now" and then expects for people that know him to town read him. I think this wagon is bad and nobody cares. Why is Rej scum in your opinion?

I don't really get your opinion. I've seen baddies do that exact thing...?

Reasons:
1) "fellow civilian"
2) might be teammates with timmer
3) "convinced" timmer is bad... stopped pushing a timmer lynch.
4) weird comments about how nutella and i are bad together where he admitted he was just throwing anything at the wall to see if it would stick
5) claimed we stopped interacting with each other because... I wasn't online yet to see her response??
6)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:47 pm "This person should read me town" is a town thing to say imo. I feel that way a lot when I'm town. I think Rej is not mafia at least. /shrugface.

@Dom What do you think about this? And the fact that Rej jumped off a counter wagon to vote Nutella some 2 hours before a lynch? Imo this doesn't look like scum

why

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:10 pm hmm let's look at dom's iso and my iso and compare the volume of reads!

dom: 29 posts, many of which are just jokey banter and several more of which consist more of his particular brand of snarky prodding (usually exaggerating an insinuation about a player's behavior to an undeserved extent, such as the one I am debunking right now about my content).
Reads of players contained therein:
1. Suspects sig for appealing to meta
2. Doesn't like nova/creature exchange, doesn't like nova in general, votes nova.
3. Doesn't like the rej/timmer exchange, doesn't like rej in general, votes rej.
4. Not sure this counts as a read but repeated prodding of sloonei for dodging a question or something I don't follow, it's classic dom blowing up a molehill
5. Couple other things that don't really count as reads. Doesn't like timmer "downplaying his prowess," criticizes both LC and me for not producing enough content.

So that's somewhere between 4 and 7 reads on players. I don't know what Dom thinks about many other players. There are a lot that he straight up never mentioned. I'm sure the same is true for me, but I don't think he gets to be on his high horse about this.

Now me: 14 posts, a handful of which are either jokes or mentioning I'm busy.
1. "Drago, sig, sloonei all town. Dyslexicon and creature bad. Quin who knows." That's five and a half actual reads on player alignments right off the bat. In a single post I have reached read parity with Dom.
2. Called out nova for being spicy. Tbf still not sure how I feel about him so maybe that's another half read.
3. Hated rej's content and voted for him. Wasn't sure about timmer's position in the situation.
4. Think Owner is town.
5. Said dizzy could be 3p.

That's like... eight or nine reads.

Basically Dom is full of shit. I know that his way of calling people out for little things is consistent with his town meta, but when I actually break it down and compare it to the rest of his content, I'm not impressed. He's using his nudges to push people into the spotlight to draw attention away from his own hypocrisy.

Wait... so I was distracting from my hypocrisy before I said something you perceive to be hypocritical? :hmm:
Anyone can break up reads into smaller bits for themselves and larger ones for others.

But hey-- you're actually playing the game now.

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:49 pm Nutella played basically like this:
-fluffing from the sidelines (early posts)
-lunching me, also commenting from the sidelines
-doing a pseudo iso on Dom and some gth
-commenting from the sidelines

I heard nutella can perform far more impressive, I don't know her meta, but did she bring forward the DP somehow?
I don't mind voting between Drago and Nutella right now.

Where did you hear nutella can be impressive?

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:10 pm hmm let's look at dom's iso and my iso and compare the volume of reads!

dom: 29 posts, many of which are just jokey banter and several more of which consist more of his particular brand of snarky prodding (usually exaggerating an insinuation about a player's behavior to an undeserved extent, such as the one I am debunking right now about my content).
Reads of players contained therein:
1. Suspects sig for appealing to meta
2. Doesn't like nova/creature exchange, doesn't like nova in general, votes nova.
3. Doesn't like the rej/timmer exchange, doesn't like rej in general, votes rej.
4. Not sure this counts as a read but repeated prodding of sloonei for dodging a question or something I don't follow, it's classic dom blowing up a molehill
5. Couple other things that don't really count as reads. Doesn't like timmer "downplaying his prowess," criticizes both LC and me for not producing enough content.

So that's somewhere between 4 and 7 reads on players. I don't know what Dom thinks about many other players. There are a lot that he straight up never mentioned. I'm sure the same is true for me, but I don't think he gets to be on his high horse about this.

Now me: 14 posts, a handful of which are either jokes or mentioning I'm busy.
1. "Drago, sig, sloonei all town. Dyslexicon and creature bad. Quin who knows." That's five and a half actual reads on player alignments right off the bat. In a single post I have reached read parity with Dom.
2. Called out nova for being spicy. Tbf still not sure how I feel about him so maybe that's another half read.
3. Hated rej's content and voted for him. Wasn't sure about timmer's position in the situation.
4. Think Owner is town.
5. Said dizzy could be 3p.

That's like... eight or nine reads.

Basically Dom is full of shit. I know that his way of calling people out for little things is consistent with his town meta, but when I actually break it down and compare it to the rest of his content, I'm not impressed. He's using his nudges to push people into the spotlight to draw attention away from his own hypocrisy.

Ok I will put a theory together:
Nutella and Dom are scumbuddies, both tried to interact with each other, but nutella's conclusion about Dom is giving me the feel of nutella defending herself and dom in some shady way:
"I'm sure the same is true for me, but I don't think he gets to be on his high horse about this."
Is she intentionally pushing forward dom to "play"?

Both ended up lynching me and stopped interacting with each other. Dom did not answer to nutella's case but rather digs into my case and lunches me off.
In the end I feel that both nutella and Dom's vote came out of nowhere, they just tried to take a standpoint.
I feel Dom has hard times finding a lynch target here.

Sry for firing so many shots, I feel people expect this from me.
I did a soft ISO on Dom, do you want me to dig more into him? In the end you can twist anything around to look scummy if you just have scenario to speculate on and see how big the accuracy is.

My favorite part of this post is where he admits that he's just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:06 am The most useful thing to do at this point, I suppose, would be to ask what we would be doing if Rej was not on the poll.

ok u first

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 3:18 am ........LC thinks Epi is on fire. Like in a good way.

Man, this Mercury retrograde really hit hard, huh.

ha ha
you haven't shared a single thought all game. just posted about how you're not around and made snarky jokes.
what gives?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 12:08 am

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:44 pmi'm bored.

e4

you sunk my battleship

i'm bored.