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Hedge, can you tell me why it's so obvious DF isn't a Cyberman?Hedgeowl wrote:We're you even paying attention?keys56000000000 wrote:Sheeeit.
Well, I think DF is head Cyberjerk, so I've voted.
There is little chance that is who DF is.
Linki what a surprise!
watkeys56000000000 wrote:Sheeeit.
Well, I think DF is head Cyberjerk, so I've voted.
How does this make her bad?Chris wrote:Wow...MovingPictures07 wrote:you better bet I will try to lynch him.
Like, even if I'm a civvie?
And you have no problem with her missing 4 votes, in a row, out of 8?
So... pile on a bunch of votes onto someone based on inactivity, to get them to pay attention?Chris wrote:Not at all, but it sure might make her decide to start playing again...
Do you know how suspicious it sounds to repeatedly remind everyone that you MIGHT be NK'd?Chris wrote:I just think I'm in a foul mood because I know I'm going to die, and it's going to be because I made cases...
I don't mean to be rude, I mean it as a loving, joking, calm the hell down. You seriously go off the wall at the slightest suggestion that your narrative isn't the only narrative to be told.Chris wrote:Wow.
Ok.
It's certainly a possibility.Turnip Head wrote:I think Chris is the recruiter.
How do you know he hasn't been recruited?keys56000000000 wrote:Epignosis, I think Chris was targeted by the Cybermen and lived. So The Master is all he could be, other than this mysterious recruiter fellow.
Chris ain't the recruiter, TH. He's a civilian. Belie' dat.
Let's lynch all the non actives!!!!!!?????Snow Dog wrote:I actually agree with what Chris is sayng about absent players. Why should people who are actually playing the game get all the heat?
care to talk about this a bit more when you get back?Epignosis wrote:Chris claimed one of two roles.
I'm pretty sure he's lying.
Good night.
Thank you..Gotrees wrote:Dom, embarrassingly, the last point I have thoroughly read up to is probably around here.Dom wrote:Gotrees, just curious, you say you aren't caught up, can you point me to where was the last time you read before you made that post?
MM's LD post is what inspired me to look up the Cybermen some more and make this post. I then signed off.
Today I checked back to see if anybody said anything about that post, saw juliet's post about me just after it, and responded.
Haven't caught up much since then, other than reading the lynch posts and the night posts by the hosts, and some of the posts about me.
Hm. I get it now. I forgot Rory is also not easy to kill.Chris wrote:What about Snow's voting for Rico on days 1 & 2, then voting Made day 3, then going back to Rico day 4?Turnip Head wrote:My Cyberdude guesses, in order of most likely to least likely:
Epi2.0, Bass, Ninjabloopz, Gotrees, Snow Dog.
I've got my eye on Snowy but he's buried at the bottom of my suspect list.
And Dom, I understand that Rory would survive a night kill aimed at Amy.
ny negative night actions directed at Amy will be absorbed by Rory, up to and including nightkills. However, given Rory’s bravery and fortitude, he shrugs off the first nightkill attempt directed at either himself or Amy.
I do not understand your conjecture that Chris is Amy Pond given that no one died in place of him. My understanding is that Rory would have died instead.Snow Dog wrote:I am still unsure. My worry is that Chris is Amy Pond. My bigger worry is that he is the Master. As for Hedge....well it's a hunch. Not absolutely sure of it but what can one do? I've been told i follow other people leads. Well i've been doing that since Snow dog 1.0 and look what happeneMovingPictures07 wrote:I do think you might be onto something, Chris. Honestly, I was starting to wonder about Snow Dog as D8 developed and I was dead, because he is vastly different from earlier, civvie Snow Dog 1.0 who was very unsure of himself -- and then, together with Bass, was trying to push Hedge being the recruiter, and I don't think I saw any real reason other than the obvious Rox-Hedge connection which doesn't make sense to me. This would have been maybe to keep heat off of their teammate, Sabie?
d to me there. If I don't have any ideas myself of course i follow other peoples suspicions. Always have. always will.
SD 1 found it hard to get in the game. Big cast, new personalities, I had not played a while and i was rusty. i got lynched for that.
Now there are fewer here and i've warmed up.
what do you make of that?Turnip Head wrote:Planet poll... this is usually when a wild Gotrees appears
That is actually much more plausible to me.Turnip Head wrote:I know the question isn't directed at me... but not for me no. I do think that if one is bad they both are. But I have different reasons for both.
So is Sabie being bad predicated on Epig being bad?Chris wrote:TH, you didn't say that you'd move it. And LC said he wasn't dead set on Epig. He's just voting for who he thinks is bad. If you're willing to switch your vote, great! And juliets may not come back.
Like I said, I am concerned (perhaps unnecessarily) that there are going to be unseen votes on me. I really don't want to die. I'm fighting my ass off here. (And I'm having fun)
Dom, maybe that's a problem I have. But in my head, it seems crystal clear. I guess I have trouble trying to look at it from someone else's POV?
But really, it's crystal clear.
So this is all predicated on Epig being bad... right?Chris wrote:Epig was voting for Rico the whole time. So that wouldn't stick out. Then Sabie went from voting for Made on days 2 and 3 to voting Rico on day 4, before anyone knew Made couldn't be lynched.Dom wrote:You think pretty much an entire team did the exact same, traceable thing that would damn them?Chris wrote:DOm: Like TH said, it could have tied up the lynch for two days on Made if they had lynched Rico instead.
Or they just wanted to lynch someone who could be lynched. I don't know. But you've got to admit, it's fucking odd that she switched her vote like she did. That they all did it.
Epig, Sabie, and Snow all switched from Made to Rico.
On the same day.
Why would she do that? Just why? Ask yourself that.
Then Snow Dog, who was voting for Made the day he was lynched, day 3, comes back on day 4, and votes for Rico.
Again, why?
They knew Made couldn't be lynched. They joined their teammate Epig in his campaign against Rico. Maybe The Daleks figured they'd NK Made, and lynch Rico?
WHY?Chris wrote:I think the Daleks would have wanted to delay it, yes. But I think that if the Cybers knew that they couldn't kill Made with a lynch, they knew they could kill Rico. So they all switched to Rico. If they had managed to lynch Rico the day Made was lynched, then we tried to lynch Made the next day, Strax wouldn't be able to NK him, and we'd waste another lynch on Made.Dom wrote:The Daleks would have wanted to delay Made's lynch, no? They would have wanted to keep that under wraps so Made wouldn't be NK'd, right?Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.
Or, like I said before, they could have just wanted to lynch someone who can die...
You think pretty much an entire team did the exact same, traceable thing that would damn them?Chris wrote:DOm: Like TH said, it could have tied up the lynch for two days on Made if they had lynched Rico instead.
Or they just wanted to lynch someone who could be lynched. I don't know. But you've got to admit, it's fucking odd that she switched her vote like she did. That they all did it.
Epig, Sabie, and Snow all switched from Made to Rico.
On the same day.
The Daleks would have wanted to delay Made's lynch, no? They would have wanted to keep that under wraps so Made wouldn't be NK'd, right?Turnip Head wrote:How does Chris's case make sense for Sabie being a Dalek? I don't see that angle.
Why would the Cybermen do this?Chris wrote:Sabie was voting for Made, who couldn't be lynched. I maintain that as a Cyber, her team role checked Made BEFORE the lynch vote, and switched their efforts to someone who can be lynched. Rico. They all did it. Made was still lynched though, and we found out he was unlynchable. Then he gets NKed, and Rico gets lynched next.Dom wrote:So, Chris, this is what I don't understand-- what would Sabie, as a Cyberman, have to gain from stopping to vote for Made? I can see what she would have to gain as a Dalek, but not a Cyberman. I think you've made an excellent case that Sabie is a Dalek-- but she is not.
See? They seemed to know to move on to Rico before they were SUPPOSED to know to go to Rico.
I didn't realize it was tied at the time she voted...Turnip Head wrote:Sabie was the fifth voter for Enrique, Made had 4 votes at the time. Sabie had voted for Made in two previous lynches. She still has not addressed this satisfactorily, IMO.
Chris, I'm not quite sure I understand this. Have you considered that Made was a very easy vote to go with the flow on? Because both he and Enrique were at the time.Chris wrote:And Sabie knew exactly when to stop voting for Made, and switch to Rico? Do you remember that part? She voted for Made for TWO DAYS, the mysteriously switches to a lynchable Rico. How'd she know to do that? She switched her vote off of Made before we all knew he was unlynchable.
That's why you should vote for Sabie.
How the hell have I been throwing around NO Us??? WTF CHRISChris wrote:Here, Snow Dog was casting doubt on Roxy's accusations of Epi, and then he voted for MM after never bringing him up before. Again, placing his vote based on someone else's case. He voted Rico for two days based on Epigs case. I'm not sure Snow has voted someone for his own reasons since coming back.Snow Dog wrote:Done a read through of MP and i think i trust him. Roxy i don't. She didn't want to follow epi's well reasoned suspicions of Enrique because she didn't trust him. I will not follow Roxy's suspicions of Epi because i don't trust her. Besides, i think it is reasonable to apply some logic to the votes being made, read the roles and come to those conclusions. don't forget IT ISN'T PROVED YET THAT MADE WAS THE DALEK EMPEROR. Are you confirming he was Roxy? It seems that way.
Anyway, tired and need to sleep. I will vote Metalmarsh as I just don't think civ. I think MP is spot on.
LINKI @ Dom: I don't have to justify it. You just throw around no u's left and right. I said that Epig is doing it.. but he is. He came out of no where to make a case on me as... what was it, the recruiter? And he's barely fought back. He feels defeated to me. I present some solid thread evidence, and you want to vote for me? Just like yesterday? YOu voted for me because I survived two kills, and your accusation that I no u-ed you...
YOu've been wanting tou vote me since you came up with a reason to do so. Ignoring the evidence laid out today just proves that to me even more.
I literally asked you if you suspected TH and if so what role(s) would you think he is? Why is he bad? You certainly seemed pretty suspicious of him earlier in the thread. However, you ignored that to attack me simply because I voted for you "for now". You (if you are a civvie) honestly need to calm down because you aren't doing the civvies any favors by mudslinging and just throwing anyone's names in the ring just because they disagree with you.Chris wrote:Dom, what questions?
Also, an eyeball at TH for making a statement that stuck out to me doesn't mean I suspect he's bad. Quit inventing suspects for me.
Why should I give Epig any civvie cred. He's been acting shady as fuck since he's come back. He got someone from the Dalek team lynched, but the Cyber team has the living role checker, and not a single Cyber has been lynched.
Then there's the abundant amount of thread evidence tying Sabie to Epig, and Sabie had an amazing ability to predict who was on the Dalek team.
Frankly, I'm shocked you're ignoring that, and coming after me.
The Cyber team was trying to gain civvie cred from getting the Dalek team lynched, and Roxy tried to gain civvie cred from exposing Epig and Sabie.
I've only said that there's been attempts at civvie cred. Believe whatever you want.
So now I'm recruited? Can you stick to one accusation, so I can properly defend...
You're accusation that I'm recruited is based on what? That I've had a few suspicions? That I supposedly no u-ed you?
Ok... :shrug"
This pings me BIG time.Snow Dog wrote:I am sleeping soon so will have to vote someone and the master bothers me most. Chris, i'm sorry but you are the best bet for the master. Oh hang on..if you are the Master you only have one survive left and so are easily killable. Which is why you asked me what I meant by "unkillable" ( although i meant difficult to kll) I think that makes my mind up. I am dense or you are the Master.
What????sabie12 wrote:I'm voting chris he's fighting way too hard against me and I haven't done anything crazy suspicious
How can you even sit there with a straight face and accuse people of NO U-ing you?Chris wrote:Doing a re-read on Snow Dog.
Interesting stuff.
Will share soon, but it's not looking good for him.
Currently.Chris wrote:Dom, just so we're official.
My top suspects are:
Epig, Sable, Dom, and Snow DOg.
I don't have any idea who The Master is. It could be any one of maybe 3 or 4 people.
I no longer suspect LC, and even Hedgie for that one time I mentioned her name.
I don't suspect anyone else.
"I'm Chris and I can pull a NO U and suspect others for doing the same thing because hypocrisy is only okay when I do it!"Chris wrote:I'll drive you all nuts with NO U's out the ASS.
I think all the voters for me are the Cyber team.
oh my godChris wrote:I guess you're voting me because you think I'm The Master, Dom?
Let's play like you're right... are you saying that it's more important to lynch The Master. If I'm The Master, I'd still have one more life protection. Why wouldn't you want to try to take out one of Team Cyber?
And let's face it, you don't really think I'm The Master. So my question is, why don't you want to vote for Epig or Sabie?
I'd like to know what Gotrees is thinking.Turnip Head wrote:I'd like to know what Bass and Sabie think of Chris and Epi.
Where's TH?Chris wrote:A list of who I suspected for Dom:
MP - For a long time MP. I think I was wrong, but who knows?
Roxy
LC - Turns out that one wasn't right
Epig
Sabie
That's it. I know you're going to say you and Hedgie, but I don't count mentioning your name when I was trying to list who I thought could have been on team Cyber. And Hedgie, I just cleared her from being the recruiter, and like you, I only mentioned her name once.
Misrepresenting my words does you no favors, my friend.Chris wrote:"Chris, there was this one time in some other game where you did something. So I'm going to vote you for that now"
That's very nice...Hedgeowl wrote:Dom/Snow - I am posting my response to Bass here in case you missed it. Let me know if you have any questions. Chris pulled the last quote of Roxys that he called "clouding" of me, but I am not entirely sure what he meant by that. In actuality Roxy was the only one still talking about me I felt, with TH occasionally stil mentioning me with no questions.Hedgeowl wrote:From my perspective it didnt feel like she had dropped her suspicion of me, but that the thread had. In hindsight knowing she was bad, I think she was busy with the Made/Enri lynchings, which basically took everyone's focus and there was no longer support to get me lynched. She then jumped on the chance to lynch Epi real quick, which considering he led the lynch of Enri with great certainty and she called him a role checker had a lot more thread support. I don't actaully think she did stop talking about me entirely, but I'd have to check.Bass_the_Clever wrote:How do does everyone feel about hedge? The reason I ask is because I thought it was strange how Roxy drop her Hedge suspicious almost altogether and saying the reason why she dropped them was because no one would listen to her. I think there is a chance that the real reason Roxy stopped talking about Hedge was because she was either recruited by Hedge or was recruited to a team with Hedge.
Are you suspicious of TH or not? If so, what team is he on?Chris wrote: So... TH...
Chris, this post is highly hypocritical. You have pulled no us on practically everyone that has suspected you. In addition, you have been shifting suspicions and attention just as much as you criticized MP for doing. I do not like that one bit.Chris wrote: There's no such thing as civ cred? Really?
I disagree?
Epig, your case on me is a giant no u. Your game is notably different the second time around.
Furthermore, I made more of a case on Sabie than I did you, and you still no u-ed the shit outta me.
But it's cool. You gotta do what you gotta do. Maybe you can convince them that I'm The Master... that's where you were heading, right?
These two posts indicated to me that you were trying to see if I was Roxy's teammate. That is incorrect and misguided.Epignosis wrote:What is my concern, and why is it misguided and incorrect?Dom wrote:I can understand your concern, but it's misguided and incorrect.
.
That's a good point! When did Roxy drop Hedge? That might tell us what night Roxy got recruited.Bass_the_Clever wrote:How do does everyone feel about hedge? The reason I ask is because I thought it was strange how Roxy drop her Hedge suspicious almost altogether and saying the reason why she dropped them was because no one would listen to her. I think there is a chance that the real reason Roxy stopped talking about Hedge was because she was either recruited by Hedge or was recruited to a team with Hedge.
I don't think I responded to this. I was going through my posts looking for something else and re-found this.Snow Dog wrote:What raises your suspicion?Dom wrote:sabie12 wrote:Yay! We got all the Daleks! I was wary of Roxy for awhile there. I am voting salad because I'm trying to eat healthier and I'm craving a delicious salad right now. Still unsure about Chris and how he survived those two attempts on his life. I guess we shall see how things go.
Question: Why do you suddenly care about people surviving NKs?keys56000000000 wrote:Harsh night post.
MP7, I apologise for ever suspecting you. I had to do what I had to do. But you, you were the greatest civ to ever live. *cries* If anyone can rez anyone, we want to be rezzing MP. Get on that, rez guy, if you exist.
Someone else survived an NK. We have a list of these people now. They can't all be civ, can they?
I'm very worried about this recruiter fellow. People we thought were civ yesterday might be mafioso today. That's how it is. You can't trust anyone. Who's recruited?
MovingPictures07.Long Con wrote:Not for some time, no. Which names did you think were new?Dom wrote:Did you add new names?Long Con wrote:Well, medullary terribly redolent. Illyria! Krewlod Not Petra big surprise, Joker! enjoy I King of Hearts nincompoop why I survived. honest Jaecus you Link McCloud! Don't Distracted Jeff me! undiscoverable incredibility Knave of Hearts like targeting get progressiveness. blocking SeptemberValentine MovingPictures07. Queen of Hearts hope Gryphon Han Tzu some undiscoverable rez, Hot Soup a Ceb18 target with a unreconciled mansuetude to indigitate it abatement you! pursy resurrectChris wrote:So I'll ask.
LC, do you know how you survived?
And I didn't think you'd write his name like that.Did you add new names?Long Con wrote:Well, medullary terribly redolent. Illyria! Krewlod Not Petra big surprise, Joker! enjoy I King of Hearts nincompoop why I survived. honest Jaecus you Link McCloud! Don't Distracted Jeff me! undiscoverable incredibility Knave of Hearts like targeting get progressiveness. blocking SeptemberValentine MovingPictures07. Queen of Hearts hope Gryphon Han Tzu some undiscoverable rez, Hot Soup a Ceb18 target with a unreconciled mansuetude to indigitate it abatement you! pursy resurrectChris wrote:So I'll ask.
LC, do you know how you survived?
At this point, I also agree.Epignosis wrote:Agreed.Black Rock wrote:I just saw this on a reread. I am very confidant that MP is a civvie and I even have him pegged as a role. I don't think he is the Master.Chris wrote:The MM lynch was the one that ended early.
If Epig is with MP, that lynch could have been a choice of picking the lesser of the two evils with MP. Or it could have just been a matter of it ending early and screwing up any possible plans.
I highly suggest you all re-read MP with the mind that he could be The Master, and that Roxy and MM were both recruited.
It starts to look very interesting.
Then remember the people vouching for MP or intereacting with MP a lot. LC, Epig, SVS... all people I'd recruit if I was a recruiting Indy killer.
I'm not making a case that he is The Master. I need someone else's view on the possibility. Someone who is not LC, Epig, SVS, or Hedgie please.
I think, in order for MP to be a civ, he can only be one role. And it doesn't make much sense that people would be saying they think he's a civ based on anything role related.
Black Rock, you were targeted. What do you think of the possibility that MP is The Master?
I read this as more of a figure of speech for Roxy. I was 100% wrong about Roxy, but I read this as Roxy saying, "OK lynch me, then lynch Epig". I felt it was empty rhetoric to strengthen a "case".Epignosis wrote:Clearly? Then please tell me what she meant. Because I'm not seeing it.Dom wrote:I think you are purposefully taking Roxy literally when she clearly meant something else, tbh.Epignosis wrote:Roxy believes that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker, i.e., a Cyberman. I'm not, but she believes I am. Very well.Dom wrote:Epig, can you explain what you mean by this? I am confused.Epignosis wrote:Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.
Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.
She says that if you think I'm civilian then vote for her. She guarantees that after she's dead you will lynch me next.
Now then, if Roxy gets lynched and is civilian, does that provide credence for her claim that I am a role checker or on a team with one? No. For her claim against me to have any merit whatsoever, she has to be bad.
To summarize it:
Roxy: Epignosis has to be a role checker or on a team with a role checker. That's how he knew Enrique was bad. If anyone disagrees with me, then lynch me, and then you'll see that I'm right.
sabie12 wrote:Yay! We got all the Daleks! I was wary of Roxy for awhile there. I am voting salad because I'm trying to eat healthier and I'm craving a delicious salad right now. Still unsure about Chris and how he survived those two attempts on his life. I guess we shall see how things go.
Considering we have decoded The Master's secrets, and it only says he searches for Lucy, not mass recruitments. You sure are fixated on The Master though! Seems a bit powerful to have so many protections, a kill, and recruitments.Chris wrote:Some thing that give me pause on my "MP is The Master and recruiting everyone in the game" theory...
- The 2 remaining unknown roles. (It says "secret roles", plural, in the roles list. There are 29 known roles, and 31 players)
- The Master's secrets appear to be completed, and say nothing about recruitment other than Lucy Saxon.
Now, it does say "Due to his strong ability as a hypnotist, once in the game he can force every night action that night to be randomly redirected to someone other than the original target." Hypnotist could lead me to believe he can then recruit people... but I think I'm reaching there.
So does that mean there is ANOTHER Indy role that is unknown and secretly recruiting players? (That would be 1 of the unknown roles)
And then could the last unknown role be the body that the CyberHead is looking for? I didn't think so, since the head finding the body would give the head more votes, but that would also give the body a vote to add to the CyberMen as well. I felt like that didn't add up... but I suppose it's a possibility.
Thank you for that... tbh... I finished just in time!Epignosis wrote:Making a joke?Dom wrote:I'm tempted to vote for you just for this.Epignosis wrote:Sorry...can't defend....Internet....being.............wired....I MEAN....WEIRD....gah!
Ah, but your ignoring my post is acceptable though.
Um, you're lazy and get back to work!
keys56000000000 wrote:I just want the Cybermen, and The Master, and whoever it is that's recruiting people, to know that I do not fear them. The Doctor has let me into his life and I love him. He will show me the way. Even if I die, the civilians in this town will triumph. I have faith. I believe.
