The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:26 pm Jack and Sprityo are both super compatible imo

ok?
I don't understand this bullshit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:31 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:27 pm IF Mac is mafia then both teams are effectively done. We can piece together the entire other baddie team based off yesterday.

We should be able to find the remaining two Anti-Moniter people based off the two flips as well.
Yes because if I was mafia I would not have anti-spewed the fuck out of things when I looked done for all money. Simple, simple sig.

....what the fuck does this even mean?
I'm too old for this meaningless jargon.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:46 pm Oh gee guys we've got two scumflips to work through! I know! Let's lynch exactly the only player who literally cannot be teammates with either of them!

You're bad lol

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:01 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:50 pm I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.
sig theorized before that Mac was Saitama and targeted him so he could only post one post during the day. Mac almost got lynched yesterday so now sig is saying that Mac as Saitama used his other power on Dizzy last night, janitoring the kill (making it so that Dizzy's role wasn't revealed) because he or the team feels like he (Mac) will be lynched today so he needed to use the power last night. Somebody correct this if I've got it wrong.

Here is the Saitama role:

Saitama - Each night, you will choose one player to be limited to a single post during the next day. You have a one-time nightkill survival, and once in the game you can janitor a kill you perform, giving you alone the result.

Thank u

I think we should use all the evidence we have to lynch the person most likely to be bad.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:31 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:28 pm Would lynch based on Radishes flip: sabie, Jack

Would not lynch based on Radishes flip: Sloonei, Jay, Mac

I’m leery of Dom. A lot of his posts seem to be making points/arguments that expose someone’s bad logic but are not actual scumhunting. This in tandem with his tendency to just say “you’re scum” to people, in place of a crafted argument, gives me heeby jeebies. It is entirely possible I’m projecting because I butted heads with him so I’d like others to check him out.
BTW I fully expect Dom to say that he hasn’t said the words “you’re scum” in this game or whatever but I think you know what I mean.

Colin hasn't read my posts about Turnip Head, himself, or Mac. It's easier to lie about them.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:08 pm Not only did sloonei engage with that pointless post, but as tony pointed out he did so in a pointlessly hedgey way.

Never one to miss insulting me multiple times per game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:34 am I have no clue if Jack is town or not. My gut reaction would be town, but I think the only evidence to that end is the WIFOM “oh Jack wouldn’t go after Nutella if he were scum” to which I’ll point out that 1) he might and 2) he backed off.

I understand the wifom element, but him backing off is exactly what made me think he is civ.

I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:04 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:58 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:06 pm Like literally Nanook died and flipped town. How you gonna shade him for voting Nutella?
Wtf, this is not the point, and you know it. You hiding behind a flipped town because you made the same action as him? Lol Jack. Lol.
What exactly was the point?

That Dom, Nanook and I were teamed with Radish?

That's stupid.
Look at all this evidence of you not being a teammate

You literally tied Nanook to him when Nanook no longer occupies the same role.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to prove there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:56 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted
You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?
There are two baddie teams, sweetie.
So you grouped us for no reason?

....And I'm the one trying to paint everything the other does as bad?

I posted my top scum reads. Hop off.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:57 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:49 am Sloon--

your post confirms what i'm thinking about sabie.

I'd like to hear more from ted.
Yeah, the sabie stuff was my biggest takeaway there. It also felt good to cross TH off the list after independently arriving at a town read on him earlier, but that only eliminates TH from being a member of one of the teams. It’s still theoretically possible he’s on the other team. I’ll call it unlikely though.
Oof. I was not liking TH at all today.
Why?

I asked Turnip who he'd vote for if his top suspect was not an option. He declined to answer. Later, I asked him if his analysis of something JJack posted actually made Jack bad or if he just didn't like it.
Turnip did not respond, but turned around and used that line on me later.

He says he civ reads me, but isn't engaging in good faith.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:52 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:49 am Sloon--

your post confirms what i'm thinking about sabie.

I'd like to hear more from ted.
Yeah, the sabie stuff was my biggest takeaway there. It also felt good to cross TH off the list after independently arriving at a town read on him earlier, but that only eliminates TH from being a member of one of the teams. It’s still theoretically possible he’s on the other team. I’ll call it unlikely though.

Oof. I was not liking TH at all today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:51 am
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 am Sabie
Mac
Ted
You think I am teammates with Sabie? For real?

There are two baddie teams, sweetie.

Bad Jack does not make the moves he made on nutella

Sabie
Mac
Ted

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:46 am I really think Jack has massive teammate equity with Radishes and would be curious how you've arrived at the opposite conclusion?
Easy. Jack is town. Where is this equity you speak of?

lol

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:48 am I skipped to mac mentioning me and skimmed below

Yikes!

Sloon--

your post confirms what i'm thinking about sabie.

I'd like to hear more from ted.

lol jack isn't on a team with radishes

Sloonei-- that is a beast of a post. : o

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:33 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:49 pm Mac never stated a reason for voting for Radishes....
Day 2?

Epi called out the other post in the series but this is the ridiculous one.

....it's not ridiculous. You could try reading my posts. I know that's a big ask.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:36 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:31 pm Sir...
You voted for MR first thing. You THEN began your freak out. I asked why MR, and you literally never responded.
Now, I understand self preservation.

I made this post when Mac entered day two, kind of before the frenzy on him started.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:14 pm I'm going to look at Master Radish next and then nutella.
Any reason for the order here considering Nutella is present and Radishes is not?
This is Mac's only post mentioning Radishes.
He is voting Radish.

When he came in, it was 2 on Mac and 3 on Radish.

He voted to make it 4 on radish.

.... why? Just to protect himself? Why Radish? Colin was right there too.
He was definitely in contention, but wasn't a lead wagon.

I asked for why Radishes, and I never learned why.

Now, Rob, you want to sit there and say it's silly that I am saying what I'm saying. But it's true. Mac has been entirely grievance based. He is not afraid to lie to meet his grievances. I have spoken at length about Colin and Turnip Head in particular. I have not been only about Mac. Mac makes the thread about Mac because he believes his personality will save him. Sometimes he is right.

He also literally said that I must be excited to see him get lynched because I personally dislike him. Not only do I think this is just about as toxic as you can get when playing the game, but I think that Mac is just desperate to not get lynched and really does not care who goes down. He hasn't been hunting. He does not act-- he only reacts.
I'm not going to talk about your personal disliking of each other (as I understand it). Wait, is this whole post directed at me? Am I "Sir?"

I'm confused.

This started as two separate posts. That might be why you're confused as to the audience of it.
Sir is Mac.

Rob-- I don't think Mac's trying to earnestly figure the game out. I've spelled out why. It's not about dislike. Mac brought that up. He knows I don't dislike him. He brought that up to guilt me into shutting up. He's seeing that won't work.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:45 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:32 pm I also literally tried to engage with the guy on Sabie. He declined.
He's not interested in finding baddies.
No I am just not interested in discourse with someone who sees everything I do through a negative lens. It's unproductive and unpleasant and I'd rather just do things my way. You are ignoring a lot of my play with these statements.

And I don't dislike you, nor do I think anything I did was toxic. I had a very tame tantrum and stopped almost immediately. You're the one who keeps bringing it up and complaining about me. I'd rather just move past it. Sorry that I flipped out btw.

I literally tried to engage with you and you declined because you are afraid of what actual engagement would bring. It's easier to demagogue.

This isn't me painting your actions in any way. You did that. Rather than engaging on the topic we have in common, you deflected and said I have nothing good to say.

Well fuck all the way off to baddie hell.

I also literally tried to engage with the guy on Sabie. He declined.
He's not interested in finding baddies.

Sir...
You voted for MR first thing. You THEN began your freak out. I asked why MR, and you literally never responded.
Now, I understand self preservation.

I made this post when Mac entered day two, kind of before the frenzy on him started.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:14 pm I'm going to look at Master Radish next and then nutella.
Any reason for the order here considering Nutella is present and Radishes is not?
This is Mac's only post mentioning Radishes.
He is voting Radish.

When he came in, it was 2 on Mac and 3 on Radish.

He voted to make it 4 on radish.

.... why? Just to protect himself? Why Radish? Colin was right there too.

He was definitely in contention, but wasn't a lead wagon.

I asked for why Radishes, and I never learned why.

Now, Rob, you want to sit there and say it's silly that I am saying what I'm saying. But it's true. Mac has been entirely grievance based. He is not afraid to lie to meet his grievances. I have spoken at length about Colin and Turnip Head in particular. I have not been only about Mac. Mac makes the thread about Mac because he believes his personality will save him. Sometimes he is right.

He also literally said that I must be excited to see him get lynched because I personally dislike him. Not only do I think this is just about as toxic as you can get when playing the game, but I think that Mac is just desperate to not get lynched and really does not care who goes down. He hasn't been hunting. He does not act-- he only reacts.

Mac never stated a reason for voting for Radishes....

Mac, so far, has stuck to grievances.

Why?

I lean bad on G-Man, but think we have better options.

Mac hasn't tried to find a baddie for a second. He only cared about lynching anyone not named Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:45 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:36 pm Sweet result.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:02 pm Every wagon rises and falls but mine. I wonder why.
Yours fell midday. Weird.
It didn't fall at all. Nobody ever peeled off me to vote somewhere else that didn't end up voting for me. The MR wagon just overtook it.
Nah it feel off a bit, was second or third, when some of us from both wagons switched to G-man. By end of day it was back up thought.
And yet nobody ever peeled off me to vote somewhere else that didn't end up voting for me.

Your definition of never is wildly different than the standard one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:48 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:45 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:36 pm Sweet result.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:02 pm Every wagon rises and falls but mine. I wonder why.
Yours fell midday. Weird.
It didn't fall at all. Nobody ever peeled off me to vote somewhere else that didn't end up voting for me. The MR wagon just overtook it.
Nah it feel off a bit, was second or third, when some of us from both wagons switched to G-man. By end of day it was back up thought.
And yet nobody ever peeled off me to vote somewhere else that didn't end up voting for me.
But, the same argument can be made for Radish, who flipped mafia?

Maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say about your wagon.
I am arguing with Dom's point about my wagon falling at the end of the day. It didn't fall at the end of day. A few more people just chose MR over me.

I literally said "midday".
You moved the goal post.... so far....

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:01 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:00 pm Nanook, Jack and Dom were all on Nutella and me.
Mac cares nothing about facts.
Nanook literally had a civ role when thye voted nutella.

Mac and Sabie should be our priorities tomorrow.
Why Sabie?

While you're bad, you're not wrong that her vote on you sucked.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:00 pm Nanook, Jack and Dom were all on Nutella and me.

Mac cares nothing about facts.
Nanook literally had a civ role when thye voted nutella.

Mac and Sabie should be our priorities tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:03 pm It'd be really cool if I wasn't the centre of discussion. You're not going to lynch mafia without entertaining other lynches I assure you.

You could do this thing called hunting rather than being so self righteous.

Sweet result.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:02 pm Every wagon rises and falls but mine. I wonder why.

Yours fell midday. Weird.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:20 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:54 am [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella
Why does that make him bad?

So... is Turnip Head gonna hide behind me all game?

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pm Let’s go with a nice rainbow list. Those tend to work well for me this game.

Follow ‘em to the end
Dizzy
Dom

Not entirely unhappy with
Sig
Juliets
Michelle
Epi
Colin
Jack – I don’t get the recent shade; I felt his case on Nutella felt naturally Jack-like, or at least not scum-like

Mushy middle
Sloonei – as mentioned, don’t know how to read him; at the moment feeling more + than - though
G-Man – gimmick aside, he’s just floating, but I don’t know if that’s necessarily scummy; as I type this, he explains it all again, so now I need to review…
Sprit – have paid him no attention this game
Speedchuk – low poster, need more to make a judgement
Nanook2.0 – seems different, but not necessarily scummy; TBD
Drago & Tranq – exist, apparently

Not at all fond of
Jay – doing nothing of note, but no one is seeing this apparently, so we’ll circle back here later cuz I don’t have the time now
Turnip – he’s sitting back a lot but clearly paying attention; that apparently fits his meta but I’m not convinced I’m seeing town here
Mac – for reasons many others have stated by now
Ted – has dropped down my list today; seemed too confident when defending Mac and to me that could be TMI
TSP – I know he’s been posting, but I actually don’t know what he’s done; I consider that not a good thing
SVS – must confess, a bit of a ‘vibes’ read here; early posts pinged me and I feel she began today clinging to my wagon too much, like she hoped it would be an easy out
Sabie – mainly for the bandwagon vote on Nutella; haven’t properly ISOed to make up my mind

Hope I got everyone.

I do not like this post.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:49 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:37 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:34 am Turnip-- Colin is suddenly out of the game, who do you lynch and why?
Long Con for tampering with my suspect
[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine
is this logical or are you offended because I didn't answer your question

I asked someone the same question earlier. Weird.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:37 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:34 am Turnip-- Colin is suddenly out of the game, who do you lynch and why?
Long Con for tampering with my suspect

[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine

Mac
Ted
Colin
GMan

good lynches tbh

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:58 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:11 pm
You, like a teacher hoping to impress their administrator with a lesson play they'd never employ were it not for the observation in the first place, are reading as hollow, meaningless, and half hearted.

I've had observations where the administrator gets to watch me grade work. I'm not putting on a show just because someone walks in with a laptop and sits down.

I REALLY hate it when people do those kinds of things. I'm like... just do what you think is best for the kids. And like... most of the time, while improvement is possible always, you're gonna do pretty well.
Like... I know very few teachers who are truly truly bad and need to be retrained with educational buzzwords etc.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:54 am [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine I don't like his unwavering suspicion of Mac and I especially don't like his reasoning re: Mac's changing opinion of Nutella

Why does that make him bad?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:13 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:28 amSecondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.
Wait. I disagree that Mac is spewed as not the silencer/not on the silencing team. But even if he was, as you argue, that does not spew him as not scum, it just spews him as not on that team. Unless you are on the other team.

Two things:
1) I like this analysis.
2) the word spew sucks

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:34 am Lol I feel like there are quite a few people who are just falling in love with the idea of catching me and not actually reading my play. Namely Dom, Nanook, Jack and now Nutella. Dom especially only really amped it up on me when I came back to thread live and a bunch of others (Jay, Nanook, Sloonei) all simultaneously started hounding me. It was too opportunistic and I do not trust.

I'm not really one who generally believes/trusts when people make self meta reads but if you've seen my GoC play, or really the vast majority of my mafia play, before (and I have been mafia in multiple), I can't see how you look at this game and think you're seeing the mafia version of Mac.

I'm not saying that I'm playing well or anything, quite the contrary, but mislynching me today would be a poor result. We should lynch someone who sucks more at Mafia ergo if they are mislynched would be no loss. Someone like Jay, Epi, or Sloonei.

There is no hunting here.
There is no attempt to solve.
It is all grievance based.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:42 am nutella tunneling me because I'm not mind melding with her ranks as one of the all time shittiest reasons to suspect someone.

....he's arguing about a GHOST !

Should we lynch her, again, Mac?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:50 am Ohhh I remember why Dom has decided to just tunnel me and not actually read the thread. It's because I snap scum read him and was right. Hardy har har.

A snap read you drop whenever it is inconvenient.

A snap read that is wrong.
A snap read that you won't defend. That you won't entertain pressure on.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:37 am
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:34 am Turnip-- Colin is suddenly out of the game, who do you lynch and why?
Long Con for tampering with my suspect

i'm unentertained by your bullshit tbh

Turnip-- Colin is suddenly out of the game, who do you lynch and why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:10 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:05 am Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways
I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

AND it was rooted in a sudden memory of his hosting... where he then tried to link me to nutella?

...or he's a member of that team...?

How can we theorize any of that before having a single member of a mafia down?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:45 am
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:17 am Mac, I once again am asking you to clarify why you wanted someone you claim is baddie (me) to corroborate a piece of evidence for you.
Because there are two scum teams
Mac is town, this quote is exhibit A

...you mean Mac's desperate attempt to lynch me? Yeah, it reads pretty bad to me.

What's the deal with you and SVS?
I don't see a reason to vote for her.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:35 pm I don't think Dyslexicon is fully above board here but I base that on nothing concrete.

Go on.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:33 pm Dom tunneling Mac is literally an every game phenomenon. It's tiring.

Am I tunnelling? I've discussed Colin amongst others. I also don't recall suspecting you in the recent games I played.

People who know me and Mac's history-- think carefully about his actions tonight.

I can't tell if you guys are summarizing the case or if you're calling me fake

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:44 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:42 pm Yeah okay. Enjoy your Mac free paradise Dom. Typical shit.
What the fuck is this?
You know exactly what this is.
No seriously, what is this? Is angry!Mac a thing? Never seen it before.

Mac and I have a checkered past. We've gotten pretty heated before.
He is turning that on for no reason. What do you think it means?

Guys I know it's pretty well documented, but can some radish hawks just summarize the suspicion in like... one sentence or so?

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