The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:37 am sloonei alison esooa dom long con all townleans

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:49 am Still catching up.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:47 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:08 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:57 pm All that talk of trying extra hard huh.

What is your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for on Day 1?

My experience is a bunch of games, most on AoPS, some on MU, and I'm looking for AI posts like a normal person.

What the fresh hell does this mean? Vague on vague on vague. I am not entertained.
[VOTE: C4] aubergine

Nani the fuck you picked the single least vague post I've made in this entire thread to call vague. Fake read sir.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:30 am

Spoiler: show

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:47 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:02 pm Hey guys, metadiving is a huge PITA and so is figuring out whether NAI playstyle stuff is actually NAI playstyle stuff or not, so everyone gimme some playstyle cliffnotes. Here are mine.

Pros: Bunch o' stuff.
Cons: Can't brown nose for shit. Can't PR read for shit.
Gameplan: Make bad reads until I can make good reads.
Misc.: *deep inhale*

The shortest cycle length ever to be run on my home site was one 3/1 game, and most cycle lengths are things like 10/2 and 14/2, so TS cycles are definitely pretty fast for me. I've played a few 2/1 games on MU, so I can still keep up with reading for sure, and I can still make reads for sure, but don't expect me to highpost unless I really want to. For the same reason, I'm not so experienced with the live interaction side of this time format, which is something I'm hoping to learn more about.

My home site doesn't have pages, just long scrolls of posts, which actually makes wallposts easier to read than quintaposts n stuff. Wallposting is a habit I've been told to break on a couple of sites with actual pages. Will work on that.

Esooa is the only player here that I've played with before (I mean, who hasn't played with Esooa before at this point?), but I'm sorta familiar with spf's playstyle because I read G6. I'm also familiar with the playstyles of some other players here for reasons I can't talk about.

I feel icky about this. I have never liked when folks explain away n00bish behavior or cultural differences when it hasn't been a problem yet.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:47 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:08 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:57 pm All that talk of trying extra hard huh.

What is your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for on Day 1?

My experience is a bunch of games, most on AoPS, some on MU, and I'm looking for AI posts like a normal person.

What the fresh hell does this mean? Vague on vague on vague. I am not entertained.
[VOTE: C4] aubergine

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:14 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:28 pm

Holy fuck are you forced to talk like this or something?

Anyway, ISO me and you should find it pretty quickly.

"Hopefully they'll answer my question"
"no ( : <3"

Dom enters the thread.
Dom immediately jumps on everything I've said.
Dom doesn't remotely attempt to understand anything I've said.
Dom knows where to look immediately.
Dom did not form this opinion in this thread.
Dom formed this opinion in another thread.
Bye.
[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

ChopChop wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:30 am

Poison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:09 pm Poison is mafia.

shit.

Quick Poison!
Run back into scum chat with me!
They into us!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:52 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:47 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:25 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 am i townlean esooa

What about Dom?

he might just be town too

i think most of the issue i take with dom stems from a difference in mindset and playstyle moreso than it does alignment

i find his style of questioning confusing/incredibly unclear - but not necessarily wolfy. i think i'm pretty decent at telling when pushes on me are happening in bad faith or good faith, and i don't get the sense that dom's line of questioning is stemming from bad faith - i can practically hear him cackling behind his keyboard as he types the "gotchas", and i can believe that he believes what he's saying even if it's difficult for me to wrap my head around

Again, if your goal is mutual understanding-- how is this helping you get there?

voicing your concerns about someone is part of reaching a mutual understanding

you posted something i found scummy. i explained why i found it scummy. you responded to my explanation. since that point, we've been going in circles and communicating in an ineffective way that has helped neither of us understand each other before

i would expand on this more, but i fundamentally do not understand your point. it feels like we're speaking two different languages

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:50 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:47 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:25 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 am i townlean esooa

What about Dom?

he might just be town too

i think most of the issue i take with dom stems from a difference in mindset and playstyle moreso than it does alignment

i find his style of questioning confusing/incredibly unclear - but not necessarily wolfy. i think i'm pretty decent at telling when pushes on me are happening in bad faith or good faith, and i don't get the sense that dom's line of questioning is stemming from bad faith - i can practically hear him cackling behind his keyboard as he types the "gotchas", and i can believe that he believes what he's saying even if it's difficult for me to wrap my head around

Again, if your goal is mutual understanding-- how is this helping you get there?

What is your goal?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:25 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 am i townlean esooa

What about Dom?

he might just be town too

i think most of the issue i take with dom stems from a difference in mindset and playstyle moreso than it does alignment

i find his style of questioning confusing/incredibly unclear - but not necessarily wolfy. i think i'm pretty decent at telling when pushes on me are happening in bad faith or good faith, and i don't get the sense that dom's line of questioning is stemming from bad faith - i can practically hear him cackling behind his keyboard as he types the "gotchas", and i can believe that he believes what he's saying even if it's difficult for me to wrap my head around

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:25 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 am i townlean esooa

What about Dom?

he might just be town too

i think most of the issue i take with dom stems from a difference in mindset and playstyle moreso than it does alignment

i find his style of questioning confusing/incredibly unclear - but not necessarily wolfy. i think i'm pretty decent at telling when pushes on me are happening in bad faith or good faith, and i don't get the sense that dom's line of questioning is stemming from bad faith - i can practically hear him cackling behind his keyboard as he types the "gotchas", and i can believe that he believes what he's saying even if it's difficult for me to wrap my head around

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:43 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:39 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:36 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:34 am I'm not leaning any way on Epi. Why are you?

His reads look natural, and he looks like he's actually trying despite using a gimmick. One which I am totally enjoying ftr.

Do you understand this business about KZA then?

I mean I understand what he's saying, but I think it's misplaced. I can at once say, "I think everything you just said is crap, but I would at least like to see how the other person respond to it" There is nothing suspicious in that to me. the more people talk to easier it is to get reads on them. I don't think it was a case worth following. Even if I think it originated with a civ.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:39 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:38 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:37 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:34 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:32 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:30 am @Spacedaisy
You said I'm coming in hot. You just gassing me up?

Nah, I liked it. You came in playing and it was a serious townlook. Feel confident most confident in you and Epi atm.

I'm not leaning any way on Epi. Why are you?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:32 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:27 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:24 am

you asked me to explain why i found your post suspicious, did you not?

I did.
Why was the opportunity to explain yourself turned into an opportunity to accuse an accuser? Can you substantiate yourself or were you hoping that I'm an easy target?

huh? you asked me to explain why i got pinged by you, and i did. why are you framing my answer to your question as me choosing to accuse you? i'm pretty confused by this post, tbh

You accused me.
You didn't really pursue that. Or try and investigate those thoughts. Now you're asking why I'm asking you about your accusation?

you asked me why i got pinged by you. i explained why i got pinged by you. my read on you naturally softened once i realized that i reacted a bit too strongly to your initial post (which i'll expand on when i answer sloonei's question in a moment), and i've been dialoguing with you for the last ~20 minutes in part to get a better read on you. i am straight up confused by this line of questioning

You're confused that I am interested in your lazy accusations?

from my point of view, the exchange just went like:

Dom: why did you suspect me?

SPF: here's why i suspect you

Dom: whoa, why are you focusing on accusing me?

SPF: i'm not focusing on you - i was answering your question

Dom: why aren't you focused on accusing me more?

like....i am not trying to be obtuse or snarky - i am just totally baffled by this line of questioning and i think it might be a good idea if we dropped it

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:36 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:34 am I'm not leaning any way on Epi. Why are you?

His reads look natural, and he looks like he's actually trying despite using a gimmick. One which I am totally enjoying ftr.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:37 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:34 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:32 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:30 am @Spacedaisy
You said I'm coming in hot. You just gassing me up?

Nah, I liked it. You came in playing and it was a serious townlook. Feel confident most confident in you and Epi atm.

I'm not leaning any way on Epi. Why are you?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:32 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:27 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:24 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 am I was not actually misunderstanding. I was miscommunicating. I knew what sloonei meant. I just didn't express myself correctly. I stated this, however, very clearly.
Any reason you're trying to make this about me?

you asked me to explain why i found your post suspicious, did you not?

I did.
Why was the opportunity to explain yourself turned into an opportunity to accuse an accuser? Can you substantiate yourself or were you hoping that I'm an easy target?

huh? you asked me to explain why i got pinged by you, and i did. why are you framing my answer to your question as me choosing to accuse you? i'm pretty confused by this post, tbh

You accused me.
You didn't really pursue that. Or try and investigate those thoughts. Now you're asking why I'm asking you about your accusation?

you asked me why i got pinged by you. i explained why i got pinged by you. my read on you naturally softened once i realized that i reacted a bit too strongly to your initial post (which i'll expand on when i answer sloonei's question in a moment), and i've been dialoguing with you for the last ~20 minutes in part to get a better read on you. i am straight up confused by this line of questioning

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:34 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:54 am i got the reactions that i wanted. it felt a little mean to continue hiding my reads when my refusal to out them had become a focal point of conversation, and when it was directly annoying someone that i had started townreading from it (foresight)

are you wolf that's piggybacking off of sloonei's argument

this one? It's kinda meh, but I don't really scum read it

btw, can you say why you asked me?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:32 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:30 am @Spacedaisy
You said I'm coming in hot. You just gassing me up?

Nah, I liked it. You came in playing and it was a serious townlook. Feel confident most confident in you and Epi atm.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:32 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:27 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:24 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 am I was not actually misunderstanding. I was miscommunicating. I knew what sloonei meant. I just didn't express myself correctly. I stated this, however, very clearly.
Any reason you're trying to make this about me?

you asked me to explain why i found your post suspicious, did you not?

I did.
Why was the opportunity to explain yourself turned into an opportunity to accuse an accuser? Can you substantiate yourself or were you hoping that I'm an easy target?

huh? you asked me to explain why i got pinged by you, and i did. why are you framing my answer to your question as me choosing to accuse you? i'm pretty confused by this post, tbh

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:30 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:28 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:27 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:19 am i've been a little defensive/cagey about it in the last page or so because i've felt that i've been answering the exact same questions for the last 7 pages. it's a point that feels so nitpicky and semantic to me, so for it to be a heavy focus for multiple people is a little bit grating, especially since i tend to get overly focused on the pressure on me in the early game (which tends to make the situation worse, lol)

i asked you that question because your progression toward me rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. you came into the thread with a piggyback of a suspicion that sloonei had already outed - but then you misunderstood the reasons for his suspicion, and then still doubled down even when you got corrected. when i paired that with the fact that i felt i had already gone into detail about that progression already, it made me concerned that your scumhunting was coming from a shallow place. it wasn't an actual scumread though - moreso just me getting pinged in the moment and wanting to see how you reacted to shade

by the way, Jess (spf) being sort of destabilized in a sense from the game because of getting pressured as town is a real thing. She's mentioned it as town a ~couple times before, so definitely could do it again as mafia to sort of level her play/say a "towny" thing ig, but the fact she's not under any, kinda, *real* threat here makes me feel like it's not just an excuse/attempt to get pressure off herself, but a real statement

Unsure how confident I am on this

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this.

idk how to explain it succinctly

basically; the fact Jess is explaining herself in the way she is, makes me feel like her emotions are genuine, rather than an attempt to get pressure off herself

Mostly because she's not really under enough pressure for me to believe that scum!Jess would need to give what amounts to AtE to get that pressure off her, and rather it feels like town!Jess expressing how she's actually feeling

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:27 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:19 am i've been a little defensive/cagey about it in the last page or so because i've felt that i've been answering the exact same questions for the last 7 pages. it's a point that feels so nitpicky and semantic to me, so for it to be a heavy focus for multiple people is a little bit grating, especially since i tend to get overly focused on the pressure on me in the early game (which tends to make the situation worse, lol)

i asked you that question because your progression toward me rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. you came into the thread with a piggyback of a suspicion that sloonei had already outed - but then you misunderstood the reasons for his suspicion, and then still doubled down even when you got corrected. when i paired that with the fact that i felt i had already gone into detail about that progression already, it made me concerned that your scumhunting was coming from a shallow place. it wasn't an actual scumread though - moreso just me getting pinged in the moment and wanting to see how you reacted to shade

by the way, Jess (spf) being sort of destabilized in a sense from the game because of getting pressured as town is a real thing. She's mentioned it as town a ~couple times before, so definitely could do it again as mafia to sort of level her play/say a "towny" thing ig, but the fact she's not under any, kinda, *real* threat here makes me feel like it's not just an excuse/attempt to get pressure off herself, but a real statement

Unsure how confident I am on this

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:24 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:23 am I was not actually misunderstanding. I was miscommunicating. I knew what sloonei meant. I just didn't express myself correctly. I stated this, however, very clearly.
Any reason you're trying to make this about me?

you asked me to explain why i found your post suspicious, did you not?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:24 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:18 am I agree on that.
Do you think his tone has been particularly serious?

No, I wouldn't characterize his play as either too serious or too jokey. I kind of wrote this accusation off because old schoolers like the three of us come from games where shitposting was not a thing. So it's not surprising for one of to throw out an actual accusation on Day 1.

The only thing that keeps me from calling him null is probably that accusation.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:25 am I take it linki has been disabled. Well this should be fun.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:17 am Hey Dom!
Your signature is too far!
Make it skinny!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:19 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:13 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 am @Sloonei and @Dom -

i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already

my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame

those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had

i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result

OK- let me accept this for a moment.

Why so defensive about it? Can you explain why my prodding became an accusation you made?

i've been a little defensive/cagey about it in the last page or so because i've felt that i've been answering the exact same questions for the last 7 pages. it's a point that feels so nitpicky and semantic to me, so for it to be a heavy focus for multiple people is a little bit grating, especially since i tend to get overly focused on the pressure on me in the early game (which tends to make the situation worse, lol)

i asked you that question because your progression toward me rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. you came into the thread with a piggyback of a suspicion that sloonei had already outed - but then you misunderstood the reasons for his suspicion, and then still doubled down even when you got corrected. when i paired that with the fact that i felt i had already gone into detail about that progression already, it made me concerned that your scumhunting was coming from a shallow place. it wasn't an actual scumread though - moreso just me getting pinged in the moment and wanting to see how you reacted to shade

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:19 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:11 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:25 pm I’m the only civilian in this game. Y’all can stop hiding.

Fuck
[VOTE: c4e5g3d5] aubergine

little bit of a weird meme but I don't think it was a response to pressure really

That being said he has a few off things in his ISO. Mostly, I disagree his response to SPF was towny. It felt overly emotional in a performative way, similar feeling I've gotten from a couple of his other posts. I've played with c4 a couple times but tbh never paid particular attention to him (lol at this because I do remember the most previous game he said people don't pay him much attention), so I'll probably read those some time to see if he's normally overly emotive but I don't remember him being so day 1?

Also didn't like the way he responded to my question of "if you care about thread discussion so much why didn't you ask me about my read;" he said it was obvious and he didn't need to question me about it, then said he thought the read I was talking about was on Falcon not KZA and to give him a sec, then never actually talked about it again

Ya i went back to reread and there was less pressure there than i remembered, just alison and kza throwing out maf reads. I still generally don't love self votes tho, they feel real "jajaja i am so unphazed by suspicion on me, i am treating it as a joke". The quick switch off himself and onto another joke vote felt off to me as well, like a distancing vote bc it felt like he felt the need to change it or something idk.

c4 reads like a bit of a spaz, not sure i would put much stock into how emotive his posts are, that is probably nai for him (altho i don't have meta there so)

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:15 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:47 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:09 pm im gay

You are my friend :3

??? At Dom's focus of me saying a positive thing about him when he did the same thing for the same reason here

@Dom does the fact you did similar things to my "buddying" change your mind about it at all? I saw you make friendly comments towards both myself and spf for saying this so I figured I'd return it

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:16 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 am Daisy-- why bad on LC. I wavered on him. We've known him a very long time.

I'm honestly a real slight bad lean, just because I have to agree that the one accusation really did look like a reach. I'd rather keep my eye on him than get too comfortable with him.

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:08 am Good for you then sloonz

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:09 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:04 am Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

i've played one wolf game and one town game w/long con, and in both cases, he had a lot of apathy/detachment from the general gamestate

the difference in his play in this game is certainly stark, but i don't think that starkness is inherently alignment indicative. i actually quite like his tone even if it's distinct from how i've seen him play in the past

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:04 am Seems people don't realize why LC acting serious is weird and I'm kinda annoyed no one cares to wonder *why* I actually found it weird

He is, as has been pointed out, basically never serious, and especially not, from what I've seen, at SoD1

don't think he's certainly scum for him, but the stark playstyle change to his town games I've seen, makes him decently >rand scum imo

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:05 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:01 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:00 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:58 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:56 am I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

what is vault city and why is LC that

Vault city is a 2nd scumteam that is kinda bad but not super bad
Enclave is the primary scumteam and there are allegedly more of them so we should be focusing on that team first
Lc is vc bc c4 voted 4 him

lol I see

You're that confident on c4?

He was clearly incredibly anxious under the slightest bit of pressure, selfvoted and then quickly changed it to another "joke" vote, and is just saying generally silly maf-indicative things like "u accuse me but ur not voting me!!!1!"

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:06 am @Sloonei and @Dom -

i had early townleans on sloonei and foresight in the early game. i know that sloonei is a strong player regardless of his alignment, and i was reluctant to out an early townread on him for a number of reasons (not wanting to be wrong, feeling like outing a tr on a player like sloonei that i could not fully substantiate would draw heat on me). i had an early townlean on foresight as well, but since both of my townleans more or less boiled down to: "tone", it seemed smarter to me to imply that i had townreads without saying the specific names. this almost always get interesting and alignment-indicative reactions, like i've gone over several times in my ISO already

my choice to not out reads got some immediate and strong reactions - sloonei and foresight (ironically, my two townleans at the time) aggressively interrogated me about it, and foresight showed some sincere annoyance/anger at my refusal to name the specific names. both of these reactions strengthened the reads that i already had - i didn't think that foresight would carry a high level of internal frustration about me not outing my reads if he was playing from a scum mindset, and sloonei's questioning toward me was direct and aggressive while still carrying a broader depth of thought that i heavily associate with his towngame

those compounding factors (along w/the fact that foresight seemed genuinely annoyed) made me decide to bite the bullets and name the names. it was not intended to be a game-long reaction test that would get me a read on EVERY player here, but it helped me get a more confident townread on the two townleans i already had

i want this post to be a reference for any lingering questions you have about my early reads - i don't want to get caught up in defending myself against points that i've already expanded on, because my scumhunting will probably suffer as a result

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:56 am I get the feeling that LC is prob vault city so idk why he's getting wagonned atm but i said i'd sheep mac so
Poison's reaction to tsp on d0 is +enclave
C4 & spf are enclave

Like literally everyone is enclave except lc

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:57 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:55 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:40 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:39 am dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

It is a question I asked as well.

First, you teased the two town reads. Then you revealed that I was one of them. You also suggested that you’d been hesitant or unwilling to announce a town read on me just a few minutes earlier.

What happened in between that made you go from “I don’t want to reveal my town read on Sloonei” to “I better announce my town read on Sloonei”?

the progression went like:

-i wanted to share that i had specific townreads, but i didn't want to state the names for a plurality of reasons

-i got a lot of reactions, discussions, and provocation from my choice to not share the names

-i decided to share the names

the focus on this specific progression on me is weirding me out a bit tbh, but i don't think it's inherently scummy. it just feels nitpicky

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:58 am Tbh it's a little distracting & hard to do much when c4 is outted to the extent that he is

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:54 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:51 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:27 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:02 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:00 am to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

And I want your head on a pike.

I think u need to calm down

I think you need real content.
Let's pretend LC isn't in the game. Who are you looking at?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:40 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:39 am dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

What changed in your willingness to share your reads?

i got the reactions that i wanted. it felt a little mean to continue hiding my reads when my refusal to out them had become a focal point of conversation, and when it was directly annoying someone that i had started townreading from it (foresight)

are you wolf that's piggybacking off of sloonei's argument

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:27 am

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:02 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:00 am to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

And I want your head on a pike.

I think u need to calm down

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:47 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:40 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:39 am dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

I understand and am not communicating clearly.

I still don't get it.

what specifically do you not get? i want to help you out but i don't understand the concern

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:44 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:40 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:39 am dom, what did i change my mind about?

In sloonei's original post about you he noted that you changed your read on him in a half hour with very little reason.

Can you clarify this?

To clarify: spf did not change her read on me. The change of mind was about her willingness to share the town read on me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:43 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:39 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:36 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:29 am I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

My vote is 100% a product of annoyance. I wanted him to say things.

I like your vote where it is for now.

What do you think of urist?
Esooa's buddying?

I think I have disagreed with every read Urist has put into the thread, but that’s not something I’ll judge their alignment of off just yet. I have never played with them before.

I think I would lean town on Esooa right now. I don’t know about the buddying you speak of, but she felt good in our long back-and-forth earlier.

I meant buddying of me, but if you didn't see it maybe I'm unfamiliar with this player.

That’s kind of just a new trend along the new school of players. Find someone who brings good energy to the thread and sheep them. I don’t read anything into it yet.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:39 am dom, what did i change my mind about?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:36 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:29 am I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

My vote is 100% a product of annoyance. I wanted him to say things.

I like your vote where it is for now.

What do you think of urist?
Esooa's buddying?

I think I have disagreed with every read Urist has put into the thread, but that’s not something I’ll judge their alignment of off just yet. I have never played with them before.

I think I would lean town on Esooa right now. I don’t know about the buddying you speak of, but she felt good in our long back-and-forth earlier.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:29 am I'm not quite sure I understand this KZA business.

My vote is 100% a product of annoyance. I wanted him to say things.

I like your vote where it is for now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:57 pm Like I think Esooa's scumread of LC is contrived and then the fact that they move from that to an associative scumread of Sloonei for townreading LC feels even more contrived

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:52 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:59 am claiming mason with the mayor of gaytown person

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:02 am

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:00 am to this post. Big yuck!
Maybe it's because I don't know this player, but posts like this scream "I am contributing SEE!" rather than "let us have consensus my fellow human beings."

i want that sweet sweet towncred when LC/Poison flip mafia so that i can coast the rest of the game

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:06 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:17 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:03 pm two primary reasons:

1. cloaking my townreads in ambiguity almost always gets interesting and telling interactions out of people. in this case, i think that foresight's intense amount of stress that only grew larger as i refused to directly answer his question is likely to come from a town indicative place. his irritation felt completely authentic- i honestly don't think that foresight would care that much at all if he was playing from a scum mindset

2. one of my early townleans was on you, but i felt uncomfortable outing that early into the game for a number of reasons. (partially out of the vanity of not wanting to be wrong). the other was on foresight

My concern, as TSP alludes to, is that spf's secret town reads maneuver is something I do often, and notably did in the Champs Finale to the frustration of about half the roster. Part of me feels like spf is mirroring my town meta here, maybe unconsciously, as a way to earn my trust.

We have played... three? games together. Two were in the Champs setting (both town/town), and more recently we were scum partners in Grasslands here on The Syndicate. When we've been town together, we were both distinctly aware of one another (I think. I was aware of her, at least) because our playstyles are similar. I would expect a mafia staypositivefriend to be hyper aware of my perception of her in this game, in what would be the first game we've ever been aligned opposite each other. So kicking the game off by doing a combative thing that Town Sloonei does for attention would be a viable way to do that.

Except, like Foresight says, there really wasn't much call for that play here. When I did it in Champs, the thread was moving at a breakneck pace, but I felt it was lacking traction. I did it to slow things down and get people to focus on particular issues. This thread was not moving at a fast pace when spf dropped her post. If anything, it needed more spiciness.

I'm also unclear why she was hesitant to declare a town read on me a half hour ago, but is comfortable doing so now.

the thing is - i do the "I Have Secret Reads That I'm Not Gonna Share Yet" is a maneuver that i do very commonly as either alignment

i did it in grasslands when we were teamed together, i did it in the rock falls invitational game when i was town, and i even did it multiple times in champs. it's just a style of scumhunting/provoking discussion that i really like doing, and i think it's a mistake to assume that this tactic that i do incredibly often of my own accord is something that i'm doing to appeal specifically to ~you~. truthfully, i didn't even associate that tactic with your playstyle at all

i would probably be incredibly aware about your perception of me if i rolled mafia against you, but your analysis implies a depth of thought that i haven't actually put into my posts so far.

my choice to withhold my reads provoked a lengthy discussion that we are still discussing right now 5 pages later - do you not agree that this might be more valuable than if i had simply said: "i townlean foresight and sloonei' and left it at that?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 11:12 pm @sloonei -

thoughts on alison?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:50 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:47 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:46 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:44 pm

Because you give us nothing to talk about.

A BIG OLD LINK TO NOTHING

I disagree with the post

Oh

is spf doing this something you think she would need to cognizantly replicate or just something she would do unintentionally?

I don't know. She could do it unintentionally, semi-intentionally, or fully intentionally.

My concern is twofold: A) it is something she has seen me do and earn town credit for in a high profile spot.
B) I do not feel like there was an organic reason for her to utilize that play at that moment.

well I'd argue two things

if spf is aware of you and minor facets of your playstyle to the degree she unintentionally replicates it, it's likely she would do the same as town too

and if it's something spf would need to consciously replicate, well I just don't think spf is someone who considers the player list and get play to that extent as scum because:

I believe she intends to not high effort this game

jess doesn't actively plan out what to do as scum

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:58 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:45 pm let's be honest who here understands this game

This is super towny in a way that I might articulate after a good night's sleep but that you guys can probably vaguely see the angle behind.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:28 pm

Holy fuck are you forced to talk like this or something?

Anyway, ISO me and you should find it pretty quickly.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:30 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:29 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 10:28 pm

I'm not reading any of these

Why not?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:33 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:31 pm LC remains town.

how

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am - No player will ever change from one alignment or faction to another.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:33 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:32 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

^ This guy ain't towny, I think we can all agree.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:46 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:42 pm spf is mafia, why does everyone stop talking whenever i bring this up?

Because you give us nothing to talk about.

A BIG OLD LINK TO NOTHING

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:10 pm Holy crap @Dom is playing. Welcome back.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:13 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:11 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:07 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:03 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:06 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:03 pm I kinda regret this

Why, did you rand scum?

I prefer scum homie

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:15 pmshe's not lying

kza town read is cause of this post where he very casually gave information to defend me

towny because he felt prompted to say something in it without a clear motive

so I figure the motive is a genuine want for discussion

Which discussion? Whether you prefer scum roles or not? It's towny to want to delve deeper into that? Was he even doing that?? His comment sounds quite offhanded to me, not indicative of "genuine want for discussion" or an opposition to it. Are you sure this is a real read?

yes, the discussion is relating to my alignment, or you know, solving. And the off handed nature of it is why it's genuine. He did it because he wanted to. He didn't have any clear goal with his read

Now you seem to be contradicting yourself.

How can he display a motive of genuine want for discussion and also have no clear goal with his read?

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine You're being fishy.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:14 pm Mac is stealing my reads tho what do i do

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:21 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:20 pm lc can you talk about your approach to this game?

I'd do better if you ask more specific questions. Self-analysis is not a strength of mine.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:21 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:20 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:20 pm dislike lc so far

As a person or as an alignment?

I think you're pretty cool but the seriousness you're expressing at the start of the first day is making me question you

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:56 pmI'm gay

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:57 pm sloonei is mafia

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:02 pm Hey guys, metadiving is a huge PITA and so is figuring out whether NAI playstyle stuff is actually NAI playstyle stuff or not, so everyone gimme some playstyle cliffnotes. Here are mine.

Pros: Bunch o' stuff.
Cons: Can't brown nose for shit. Can't PR read for shit.
Gameplan: Make bad reads until I can make good reads.
Misc.: *deep inhale*

The shortest cycle length ever to be run on my home site was one 3/1 game, and most cycle lengths are things like 10/2 and 14/2, so TS cycles are definitely pretty fast for me. I've played a few 2/1 games on MU, so I can still keep up with reading for sure, and I can still make reads for sure, but don't expect me to highpost unless I really want to. For the same reason, I'm not so experienced with the live interaction side of this time format, which is something I'm hoping to learn more about.

My home site doesn't have pages, just long scrolls of posts, which actually makes wallposts easier to read than quintaposts n stuff. Wallposting is a habit I've been told to break on a couple of sites with actual pages. Will work on that.

Esooa is the only player here that I've played with before (I mean, who hasn't played with Esooa before at this point?), but I'm sorta familiar with spf's playstyle because I read G6. I'm also familiar with the playstyles of some other players here for reasons I can't talk about.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:09 pm im gay

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:13 pm hey checking in
will come back later

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 8:08 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:57 pm All that talk of trying extra hard huh.

What is your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for on Day 1?

My experience is a bunch of games, most on AoPS, some on MU, and I'm looking for AI posts like a normal person.