The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:03 pm Mmm.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:45 pm Interesting. We’ve now had a quiet night on both an odd and even night..one was probably marmot’s 1st role, and we know a kill will still be sent out randomly if no one sends one in, so ???

Got some tomfoolery up in hurr

How do we know that, Scotty?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:42 am Some roles will have their targets randomised if you do not send a PM, so if you want to make a tactical choice not to use your night power, please PM the host to check first.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:24 pm As promised, I want to look into INH and sig before I lay my vote down.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:27 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:00 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:56 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:51 pm Someone tell me why Sloonei is bad. I don't have a great case for it but my gut tells me it is so.

Well for one he was pretty much single-handedly responsible for lynching marmot, so he must be an Evil Even.

Is there a reason you can't be an Evil Even?

You brought me up in threads I wasn't even a part of. That scares me a little.

Like, this one especially (post-speedchuck outting):

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:59 pm I'm counting on you, Quin.

Why single me out?

Because I was counting on you to bring Cerberus to the promised land.

So far we have no evidence of Evil Evens in Cerberus. I was in Pikachu with nutella for about 24 hours before she was escorted away. I'm not an Even.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:29 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:24 pm If speedchuck is bad allowing him to spew false information and lie and get civvies lynched is not ebtter than a checked out baddie...

If I'm bad and caught I shut the fuck up.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:54 pm Epi (again) voting to save speedchuck his teammate but nobody wants to listen to me so I don't give a fuck anymore I'm voting for Wilgy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:16 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:06 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:05 pm

Epignosis wrote:I'm not seeing anything to suggest that refraining from lynching speedchuck would be a good idea.

And yet, here you are, voting for Wilgy.

And?

Do you think the game will end if speedchuck is lynched? I don't.

I already answered this to sig. speedchuck is talking. That's a good thing regardless of his alignment. DrWilgy, in my view, also needs to be removed, but he is not providing anything further for people to analyze.

Consider also that I originally voted for colonialbob, and then moved to DrWilgy after Sloonei asked me to do so. At that time, DrWilgy had two votes to speedchuck's four or five. Did you except DrWilgy to be tied with speedchuck at this moment? I certainly didn't, but it makes no never mind to me, because even if by some stretch DrWilgy is a civilian, he's not producing, and speedchuck is.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:21 pm Speedchuck
Quin
sprityo
S~V~S
Epignosis
dharmahelper
Scotty

nijuukyugou
colonialbob - not even
Dom - not even
LoRab
Boomslang
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
insertnamehere
sig
Dragon D Luffy
Kylemii
DrWilgy

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:16 am

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:39 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:14 am Tell me why bob's explanation isn't good enough for you, Dom.

Because endgame in Fire Emblem wasn't Days 1-5 of this game and then Days 7-9.

I think you are being too strict, and ignoring Bob's ability to forget about FE for a while to pay attention at the day phase that basically had his name on it.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:56 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:48 pm Voting Wilgy before I forget to vote tomorrow. I think Chuck is probably also bad, but I think there is more reason to believe Wilgy is bad. I look great in aubergine, btw.

Like are people comfortable being on a wagon with this vote? She thinks Speed is bad AND HE HAS BEEN MECHANICALLY OUTTED, yet she's going for an inactive player who might or might not be mafia? Even if we think wilgy is bad an inactive scum can be lynched later, we've got an active scum right here who should've been lynched phases ago.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:14 am Tell me why bob's explanation isn't good enough for you, Dom.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:09 am Pretend Wilgy and speedchuck didn't exist.

Who is bad and why?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 1:17 am Kylemii's interactions regarding Marmot are not convincing. They look phony.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:24 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:22 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:37 am @Scotty

You're voting for Speedchuck without even knowing about his role reveal post?

Y’know I was confusing speed with nutella. I knew he was a doctor. Made that argument that he could have easily been a mafia doctor with 2 teams and this many roles.

Epi disagreed.

Anyway, regardless of his role, he should be lynched today

Regardless of his first role? Or his present role? Or the fact that he revealed as town? I'm not sure exactly what you meant there.

His first role.

Oh!!!!! Right! I totally forgot his role was revealed. I have it in my mind that it was just his alignment and got caught up in that.

Anyway, doesn’t matter

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:53 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:50 pm Cbob played it lowkey for six whole game days and then only cared when his name got thrown around.

This is the last time I'm responding to this accusation - I WAS IN ENDGAME IN ANOTHER GAME. Why are you ignoring this? Vote me or don't, I don't really care at this point.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:02 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:37 am What is the reason for voting Boomslang? What team do you think he's on, and what do you make of Marmot's aggression toward him?

His vote on Wilgy was the ultimate in "hello fellow townies", judging by his posts in this thread.

Sorry, I'm not reading the entire Cerberus thread plus Pikachu post-swap. You can either have me paeticipate, or have me read, but certainly not both. If somebody can point me to prior Boomslang case/suspicion on Wilgy I'll move my vote.

@Dom reasoning was provided here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:13 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:36 pm It was not a knee jerk reaction. We patiently waited for LC to come back with "lol the host told me in a facebook message".

Semantics. The point is that we roasted someone for a slip.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:04 am

Boomslang wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:09 pm Following the train, because I've fallen off of it. Vote Wilgy aubergine.

[VOTE: boomslang ] aubergine for this

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:13 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:03 am SVS-- you aren't defending speedchuck like DH didn't defend LC.

Did you read the post? Actually read it? I THINK SPEEDCHUCK IS BAD. I just think Nutella has nothing to do with it and he's gonna flip civ. I would have preferred to watch him for a while.

So no, I am not not defending him like DH didn't defend LC. Geez.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:58 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:08 am also why did cbob totally disappear once his role was revealed?

ISO me, I've answered this question several times and it's getting really old. What's the point of posting if people don't read the posts?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:37 am What is the reason for voting Boomslang? What team do you think he's on, and what do you make of Marmot's aggression toward him?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:03 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:01 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:07 pm "Wilgy isn't bad but I'm going to lynch him anyway"

Nah. That doesn't fly.

[VOTE: INH] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:09 pm [VOTE: INH] aubergine

I'll add some weight to that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:21 pm

Well, fuck all y'all.

Care to make points against me, or is knee-jerk bullshit how things worked over at Pikachu?

it got us to lynch LC.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:54 pm
Not too long - Day 11 or 12, at the latest. But jumping right into this 'We absolutely without fail or any further consideration must lynch speedchuck' thing sucks.

Is this the only reason why speedchuck could be bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

OK.
So... who does that implicate?

DH has something to say about that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:00 am IDK It just seemed odd that they waited so long and then right when the merge happened, boom, down goes Cecil.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:54 pm
Not too long - Day 11 or 12, at the latest. But jumping right into this 'We absolutely without fail or any further consideration must lynch speedchuck' thing sucks.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:55 pm Dom -

I think it's odd that Cecil survived about 8 days or so in Pikachu untouched after I deduced who he was, and then the moment new blood came into the thread and saw that sprit was Cecil, Cecil was killed.

I believe someone who was originally Cerberus but moved to Pikachu killed him because they had a different idea of what Cecil could do or accomplish, or a different view of gossip roles.

Short version - seems too much a coincidence that Cecil dies right after the merge. I don't believe in coincidences like that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 pm Dom did you see my theory that because Cecil survived 8 days in Pikachu without being killed after I outted him and then he got killed right when we swapped around, one of the Cerberus swappers killed Cecil?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:44 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:43 pm Sorry, must be too highfalutin with my college degree.

DH wants to get other people to lynch you.

Why does that make him bad?

It's so ironic that you missed the point when I mentioned college. You took it as an insult. I meant it as a compliment.

I don't think DH is bad. I never have.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:46 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:39 pm Ok I'm not caught up yet but I have to say this.

I am thoroughly moved by your belef in our capicity to lynch Speedchuck, and disappointed with myself that I wasn't motivated enough to yell at everyone to do it and instead spent 48 hours hosting Image Mafia or doing RL things or other pointless crap. Which led to a wagon of a grand total of 6 people ignoring host evidence and voting for me instead, and another 4 doing jack shit.

My hearts throbs at seeing all the betrayed hope, of those children who thought we could get it done and yet, instead of receiving the present they expected, found a carcass of a dead marmot under the christmas tree. With coal.

I must do something to vindicate them.

So I promise you, people, that Speedchuck will die on Day 10.

There are no "buts" or "ifs". No tinfoil. I will personally confiscate every tinfoil hat and burn them if necessary. I will place them on the floor in a way that the smoke forms the words "LYNCH SPEEDCHUCK" when they burn.

There is a host post saying he is a civ and another host post confirming the existance of a role that can create host posts with inverted alignment. It's not any more clear cut than that. Of course there may be ways this information can be wrong, just like there may be ways DH actually caught all scum by himself, but we don't count on those when playing mafia. We follow the most logical path and accept the gift given to use by the hosts. Specially in a game where, let's be frank, we are kicking mafia in the asses so hard I can almost smell the tears coming from their BTSC chats. We have spare days to test weird tangents, and we most definitely have spare days to follow occam's razor, and if that fails, follow weird tangents afterwards.

Speedchuck dies. End of story. If there is any new information from the last 10 pages that makes this post hilariously misguided, show it to me now, otherwise the first time you see me on Day 10 will be with a torch, a pitchfork, and whatever tool they use to kill the lizard thing that is on Chuck's avatar.

I'm not voting speedchuck tomorrow. That's the lazy vote. I already explained why waiting to lynch him is the best option. We have limited information and waiting a not-horribly-long amount of time to see if a bona fide alignment revealer flips is the logical course of action. We're not at LYLO. We can afford it. With every flip that isn't that role, the probability of him being scum increases. No need to rush into a lynch now.

I will not be accepting any counterpoints at this time, thank you. Especially because today isn't Day 10 and we don't need to be talking about speedchuck.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:17 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:12 pm Listen--

I'm always ready to be a slut for discussion.... but the amount of talk about someone we cannot lynch today and the blind bandwagon on another player makes me uneasy.

Daisy-- I saw that the case is mostly based on meta-- is that correct?

My suspicion of him is, others' suspicions of him are not.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:18 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:12 pm Listen--

I'm always ready to be a slut for discussion.... but the amount of talk about someone we cannot lynch today and the blind bandwagon on another player makes me uneasy.

Daisy-- I saw that the case is mostly based on meta-- is that correct?

I forgot you were playing and neglected to put a read on you when I reread Bidoof after the button.

I’ll lump you in the camp I’m ‘uneasy’ about. What I remember seeing while perusing Pikachu was The Great Back And Forth With Epi and the the LC slip detection. I just don’t remember who else you suspected.

Who would be your alternative to lynch today? What is your current stance on Epi?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:04 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

I'm confused by this.
Why do we have any indication of that?

Because the rules say so:

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:25 am When using targeted abilities, you may only target people on your tribe.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:22 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:12 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:47 pm DH is trying to get other people to lynch me.

He won't do the deed himself.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Bring it.

why

The explanation is literally in the quote you quoted.

"DH is trying to get other people to lynch me. He won't do the deed himself."

Are you asking me why DH is trying to get other people to lynch me? I don't know. Ask him.

I'm asking for the significance of it.

Then you might try asking about the significance of it instead of "why" with no punctuation or anything that might lead me to understand what you are asking.

Even then, I don't know what you mean by "the significance of it."

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:12 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:06 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:47 pm DH is trying to get other people to lynch me.

He won't do the deed himself.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Bring it.

why

The explanation is literally in the quote you quoted.

"DH is trying to get other people to lynch me. He won't do the deed himself."

Are you asking me why DH is trying to get other people to lynch me? I don't know. Ask him.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:36 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:18 am INH made this post, his only post:

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:12 pm oh good, this game has finally started.

Took it long enough.

Yes it finally started!! Where are you? I could feel your frustration in reading your posts in Cerberus (and reading old posts usually gives me little emotional content). The only post you made during the last lynch was a reiteration of your sig case, then you did not vote. You have been following the sig case since the early game. I would expect you to be eager to present it to a wider audience.

Point taken. Will attempt to catch up today.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:38 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:32 pm Hey did you guys come to the conclusion in the Cerberus thread that Cbob was town during the past couple days?

nnnnnno.

Let me elaborate.

Cbob hasn't been around, hasn't done that much. I imagine he's spending much of his time on the Fire Emblem endgame.

So I haven't been pursuing him super hard either.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 pm I basically gave the shortened version of the Wilgy case in my vote. There's not a whole lot to it unless we want to get into the specifics of every read on every player in the game.

If we assume that mafia nightkills are restricted to players in the same tribe as their killers, as was the case for all night actions during the tribal phase, then somebody who was in the Pikachu tribe last night killed sprityo. We can rule out sprityo himself because duh. The reamining five players, myself excluded, happen to be my five strongest town reads in the game at the moment (Kyle, scotty, daisy, epi, dh). That leaves DrWilgy as the lone suspect in a small pool of players from which to choose.

I understand that to simply gloss over 5 critical reads without any explanation isn't entirely satisfying, but I have my reasons and most of them are in one of the two other threads already. I don't care to go into them unless somebody has an argument for lynching any of those players.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:47 pm DH is trying to get other people to lynch me.

He won't do the deed himself.

[VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine

Bring it.