The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:36 am I like how that "Hey, don't vote me! We're voting Jack." makes me look, in light of the night 1 Jack kill. Looks townish fo sho.

the fuck is this?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:43 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Sounds like it was you. [VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:08 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:23 pm I've noticed in past games sometimes the mafia players will focus on rules and gameplay so they're participating but not really having to say any reads. I thought maybe he was trying to appear helpful to town. He also made it a point to say he needed time to read jack and if he gets killed jack probably killed him. He was focusing a lot on jack and I was thinking maybe they could be teammates based on the way I've seen both of them play when mafia in the past. Also you had made a decent case on tony that I felt made sense at the time.

I'll have to look more closely at jack and nutella.

Just noting that sabie also used the "bad guys talk about mechanics" argument against Tony.

Long Con is bad.

I am very willing to revisit this feeling I had D1.

Question:
ya'll would consider nutella fiery and spicy?


Not necessarily my choice of words.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:59 pm Michelle is bad: sabie

I actually think we have a good crop of lynch candidates.

Maybe I'm being bitter about disliking what G-Man said personally, but I don't like his end of day behavior

Not a good look, G.

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:19 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:11 pm I have to go tutor.

I'll be back later.

Nonchalant, considering the deadline is imminent.

What was your aim with this post?

I asked people to vote for Michelle. I have to go get paid. You fell asleep on the couch and didn't vote last time. Where was your urgency?

Or is this just a made up criticism?

Yikes [mention]Quin[/mention]

I have to go tutor.

I'll be back later.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:41 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:40 pm I'd like to lynch Michelle

Me too.

You can control that.

I will elaborate when I can, Sloonei

I'd like to lynch Michelle

I didn't like Quin's vote in the slightest.

Y'all jumped on it. I feel like we didn't have the same level of substance with him.

The quin rush feels not great.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:25 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:52 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:26 pm Quin is bad: Long Con or DFaraday

Quin is good: nutella

sabie is bad: nutella

sabie is good: Michelle

Michelle is bad: nutella

Michelle is good: nutella and either Dom or sabie

nutella is bad: Michelle

nutella is good: Quin or Long Con

Care to walk us through any of these, G-man? I'm particularly interested that nutella appears in both occasions if we lynch michelle. nutella's all over this in general. Do you think that points to her as a stronger suspect overall, or do you attribute her prevalence to her simply being more vocal than most players? What exempts Epi and I from appearing anywhere in your answers?

Do you plan on answering the questions yourself?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:33 pm I have not investigated players for associations between one another. I do not tend to do that until we've received our first positive ID of a bad guy.

"Explain why, but I won't participate"

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:22 pm nutella has been the focus of my lynch train theorizing up to now, but I see we are sending votes elsewhere (myself included as of yet).

Please everyone answer these questions in the thread. Considering the four people who have votes right now...


1) If we lynch Quin and he flips baddie, to whom does that steer your focus toward in Day 3?

2) If we lynch Quin and he flips civ, to whom does that steer your focus toward in Day 3?

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3) If we lynch sabie and she flips baddie, to whom does that steer your focus toward in Day 3?

4) If we lynch sabie and she flips civ, to whom does that steer your focus toward in Day 3?

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5) If we lynch Michelle and she flips baddie, to whom does that steer your focus toward in Day 3?

6) If we lynch Michelle and she flips civ, to whom does that steer your focus toward in Day 3?

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7) If we lynch nutella and she flips baddie, to whom does that steer your focus toward in Day 3?

8) If we lynch nutella and she flips civ, to whom does that steer your focus toward in Day 3?

1) Long Con / DFaraday

2) nutella / Sloonei

3) nutella / Sloonei / Epi

4) Michelle / Long Con

5) nutella

6) Me (but i'm not bad) / Sloonei

7) Michelle

8) Quin / Long Con

G-Man did it mostly right.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:52 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:26 pm Quin is bad: Long Con or DFaraday

Quin is good: nutella

sabie is bad: nutella

sabie is good: Michelle

Michelle is bad: nutella

Michelle is good: nutella and either Dom or sabie

nutella is bad: Michelle

nutella is good: Quin or Long Con

Care to walk us through any of these, G-man? I'm particularly interested that nutella appears in both occasions if we lynch michelle. nutella's all over this in general. Do you think that points to her as a stronger suspect overall, or do you attribute her prevalence to her simply being more vocal than most players? What exempts Epi and I from appearing anywhere in your answers?

Do you plan on answering the questions yourself?

I don’t get Michelle’s angle here.

Specifically voting off wagon when its pretty obvious that sabie is gonna move her vote to self preserve?

Just feels like Quin doesn't want to help either lynch train.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:14 am probably not gonna be here for eod, so [VOTE: nutella] aubergine. sloonei would also work. night.

This feels icky

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:40 am Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

I... literally...

I just....


Why do I even.... ?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:42 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:40 am Is no one going to raise the question of whether Epi is pocketing me right now?

No, because that's dumb.

I'm sheeping you, as the kids call it.

OK maybe I'm just like really gay, but like...

what's the difference?

In my day, we called it buddying.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:22 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:14 am Nutella's post on epi/LC felt very authentic and makes a lot of sense.

I'd like some more analysis from her going forward.

Sloonei, since Epi is going to be a total dud in terms of any useful interaction with me, what do you think of the reads I gave?

The only one I object to is me. Your take on sabie is probably the most compelling argument I've seen against her. Sabie was bad in two of the most recent games I played but in both of those games I found myself defending her throughout, so I'm a bit weary of her while also trying not to tunnel her. She's made a few posts in here that evoke memories of those games.

At the moment I'm suddenly inspired to figure out G-Man. If we remove the "4 scenarios" post, what are the strongest points for or against him?

I'm not 100% sold on Michelle. I want to see her and sabie take on what's been discussed tonight.

G-Man? I'd need to do a full iso for detail. But I'll say that I'm hoping for more 4 scenarios and less rely on summarizing what everyone else has said.

... she could just think that sloonei is civ.

Epi, I just don't get why you're reading that the way you are.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:08 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:05 am If you are a civilian, just ignore my existence. I'm not going to be around to make a difference.

You, of all people, know I'm not buying that with any coupon you give me, sweetheart.

Never use the term "sweetheart" and "coupon" the same sentence with me, snookums. I may be cheap, but I'm not free.

Honey, you might as well be free.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:12 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:10 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:07 am But nutella is voting sabie (easy lynch sabie) over Michelle, who essentially made the mistake of calling Sloonei good, so yeah, maybe I'm doing God's work here anyway despite myself.

I've "made the mistake" of calling Sloonei good many a time as town lmao

No, not the same thing LMAO.



For Michelle's argument against TSP to make any sense whatsoever, she has to know Sloonei is good. For her to know that, she has to be bad.

Q.E.D.

I think you're jumping over something.
I can think two people are buddying, even if I don't know their alignments.

Nutella's post on epi/LC felt very authentic and makes a lot of sense.

I'd like some more analysis from her going forward.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention], since Epi is going to be a total dud in terms of any useful interaction with me, what do you think of the reads I gave?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:05 am If you are a civilian, just ignore my existence. I'm not going to be around to make a difference.

You, of all people, know I'm not buying that with any coupon you give me, sweetheart.

"I have no time"

*Here's a minute detail that you probably missed in a player's post*

Which is true?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:01 am

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:57 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:56 am Dom, you aren't going to hear more from me. I am in rehearsals. I trust Sloonei and will do so until I decide it isn't prudent.

Whatcha rehearsing for?
...on topic...

Why do you trust Sloonei so much?

To get better any make sure everybody knows their parts and...Jesus Dom, don't you do shows?

I trust Sloonei because the mafia will kill him if he is good. They will have no choice. He will make them kill him. If he stays alive, I can reevaluate.

Spoiler: show

For real, we're performing Andrew Peterson's "Behold the Lamb of God" and a bunch of other songs.

Nice!

Yeah... I don't buy this, though.
Why Sloonei?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:57 am I am effectively making Sloonei's vote worth two until have a reason not to do that.

Why?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:59 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:47 am Again I'm not reading.

Hur de dur

But:

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:43 pm Yeah I especially don't like the post Gman called the worst from sabie. Saying she was equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates on d1 doesn't look good at all in hindsight. And in her recent posts I still get the sense she is using the jack and tony flips to set me up as the next ML.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

"Equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates?"

What the hell does that mean?

How does it mean anything in hindsight?

This post:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:33 am I have suspicions on all three of the people with votes. In looking through Tony's posts a lot of his focus is on jack. He makes it a point to say "if I'm nightkilled jack is scum" and that he needs a few days to figure him out subtle ways of saying dont lynch me im town without actually saying it. When he was mafia in the past his main focus of discussion was his own teammates so if they got killed off he could be like see I'm not bad. Ive seen jack do this as well. Also his post making it a point to say how many mislynches we can have was a little sketchy. I see a lot of fair points on him and he hasnt done much to counteract these points.

Jack I've expressed my suspicion on him. There's a fair amount of back and forth discussion on him but I'm still leaning towards thinking he is mafia.

Nutella can be very difficult to read as she does often follow the waves of the thread but her response to things so far hasn't made me feel confident about her being town.

This day 1 is hard there are fair points on all three. Voting tony as I feel worst about him and his efforts thus far.

imo it's not a good look now knowing jack and tony were both town (and also knowing I myself am town) -- with three town wagons on d1 the mafia would be fine with any but try to look like they have a reason for voting one over the others

OK.
I'll chew on that.

Let's say sabie isn't in the game.

Why do we lynch and why?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:56 am Dom, you aren't going to hear more from me. I am in rehearsals. I trust Sloonei and will do so until I decide it isn't prudent.

Whatcha rehearsing for?
...on topic...

Why do you trust Sloonei so much?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:47 am Again I'm not reading.

Hur de dur

But:

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:43 pm Yeah I especially don't like the post Gman called the worst from sabie. Saying she was equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates on d1 doesn't look good at all in hindsight. And in her recent posts I still get the sense she is using the jack and tony flips to set me up as the next ML.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

"Equally okay with lynching all three of the mislynch candidates?"

What the hell does that mean?

How does it mean anything in hindsight?

tbh i'm confused by this post and nutella's.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:02 pm Dom:

Long multi-quote post #1. Highlights include:
Soft support of Michelle
Inquisitive response to Jack's vote and 's his DF prod

Grills Jack x2

Long multi-quote post #2:
Continued Jack grilling
Clarification RE: stance on Jack; attempting to develop a read. Good look, backed up by content.
Disagrees with DF's nutella vote
Prods nutella
Good sequence of interactions in this post, A+ for Dom.

Long multi-quote post #3:
Supports Jack and his vote for Long Con
Engages with Jack on a discussion about nutella
Continued commentary on nutella/LC with Jack.
Dom looks to be genuinely trying to interact with Jack and to develop reads alongside him. I like the optics of this post as well.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:18 pm I think both LC and Jack don’t look great here.

After a series of posts where Dom tries to engage Jack in discussion of the above reads, something has happened which turns Dom's view of Jack into a definitively bad one. He had not gone so far as to express a town read on Jack earlier, but the tone of his posts was conversational, suggesting that he was giving him the benefit of doubt. This marks the first clear indication of read on Jack in a while. The read appears to be very fluid, which is a good thing again.

Here I am interpreting "now your posts don't reek" as an affirmative town read on Jack towards the end of Day 1. He accompanies this with a vote for Tony after responding to my case on him. I commented during the night that this vote didn't feel like it carried the weight of a final vote, but it stayed. The odd deadline time may have had something to do with it. I maintain a little bit of skepticism here, but as this is the most prominent negative position I have been able to take towards Dom so far, I'm not assigning it much weight. I don't object to the vote itself, I just wish there was more to it. He would later own the vote.

And now we're back at today and the present reads which we've just been talking about. I would still like to hear more about how they developed, not because I doubt their authenticity, but because I trust Dom's voice right now and the more he can tell us about his thoughts the better off we'll be.

I think that sabie is slippery in general. She has underplayed herself this game, and I think wants us to think she's too naive to play well. She plays into the wifom argument as if that will exonerate her. I think sabie is a better player than that, and that she's deliberately underselling herself here. Why? Why would a civilian do that?
A baddie might do it to hide behind perceived incompetence or naiveté.

Michelle? I haven't seen much of a progression in her thoughts, but I generally tend to struggle to read her. I tend to empathize a lot with her with her second language struggles, and give her the benefit of the doubt in her communications if there seems to be a misunderstanding. That being said, the timing of her Tony vote was not great. With that being said as well, I do not know if her slip that Epi is picking up on is really a "slip". I'm usually one to jump on something like that and harp on it until I get my way or I'm dead... but I struggle with Michelle. I know how hard it can be to communicate with a second language, especially with all the euphemisms that exist in Mafia. I'd like to hear more from Sabie and see how she reacts to pressure before I commit to this vote, though.

Nutella? I mean, Jack's dead. And she isn't waffling as much as I'd like.

Now for some other takes...

Sloonei-- I generally haven't liked his play today, but I'm not voting there. Why? I think he's being accusatory and I don't understand his motivations. Maybe I'm just moody today, but it feels snippy and un-sloonei-like.

DFaraday-- I'd like to see more from him. TBH, he got a lot of cred from Jack being civ, but it's pretty unearned. I don't think he should be able to coast on this for long.

Dom-- supatown

Epignosis-- I'd like to hear more from, but I will lean civ for now because of his Michelle thoughts.

G-Man-- unsure. But he goes up for the 4 scenarios post.

Lambda-- Lack of content=I think she is burnt out from another game. Though-- this might be NAI

LC-- I'd like more from him. He's hiding behind "early game" when this game could lylo pretty quick. And I don't like how he followed nutella so quickly into voting Jack. I could vote for him today, tbh.

Quin-- Sigh. More content, please. Please.

Nah-- G did.

That puts G higher in my read list in a good way.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:06 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:51 pm Sloonei-- my meaning was clear.

Why are you trying to assign it meaning it clearly did not have?

I literally just asked you a question. I'm not trying to assign meaning to anything. I am looking for you to provide your own meaning. I did not understand what you were saying to sabie. Your initial post seemed accusatory towards her, so I wanted to follow up on that.

What is your read on sabie?

Maybe I'm not being clear-- I'm looking at nutella, sabie, and Michelle today.


I have voted Michelle for the time being.

Yes, but why? What are the main points against each of them? Is there anything you see in any of them that makes you think they could be town?

I feel like I went through this with four scenarios earlier today. Didn't you prompt that?

G--
I guess my concern is that a lot of your isos are out of date.
Like.. I get you're trying to iso everyone, but you're not really doing much when you're just posting about old posts and not really engaging in current ones.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:51 pm Sloonei-- my meaning was clear.

Why are you trying to assign it meaning it clearly did not have?

I literally just asked you a question. I'm not trying to assign meaning to anything. I am looking for you to provide your own meaning. I did not understand what you were saying to sabie. Your initial post seemed accusatory towards her, so I wanted to follow up on that.

What is your read on sabie?

Maybe I'm not being clear-- I'm looking at nutella, sabie, and Michelle today.


I have voted Michelle for the time being.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:52 pm also yes i am using a list of slang in this game because contrary to popular belief people below the above of 73 do not fucking talk like this

I read this three times and still don't know what it means

Sloonei-- my meaning was clear.

Why are you trying to assign it meaning it clearly did not have?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:22 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:49 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:42 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:33 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:13 am

Sounds like what was me? You also had thought jack and tony were potentially bad. I was saying tony and Jack both suspected nutella maybe we should consider they could have been right about her.

You killed Jack in order to frame nutella.

Kind of insulting that you think I'm that dumb. Maybe Im wrong on my read of nutella but if I killed jack why would I be that stupid obvious about it? And what motivation would I have to do so when I probably would have ended up voting jack because I thought he was bad. The only thing I'm bad at this game is reads so far which I'm not the only one.

I think you should try the wine in front of you.

Do you believe Sabie killed Jack for the purpose of framing nutella?

Are you intentionally twisting my words or nah?

I am doing nothing with your words. I am asking you a question. Why do you think Jack was killed? Do you think sabie is implicated in Jack's death? There, I split it up into two questions.

I think it's a circular argument.
That was my original point.
Was that not clear?

I'm not sure how we can discern much of anything from it yet.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:20 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:56 pm @G-Man what has been your mindset while compiling these ISOs? What are you looking for or hoping to achieve?

Nosing around to see what looks bad in isolation and then seeing if reading it all in context changes any of my perceptions.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:41 pm G-Man-- do you have any current takes?

I think the 'sabie killed Jack to frame nutella' narrative is naive and too simple to be right. I think that anyone who has played a few games anywhere has matured beyond such a setup. That doesn't excuse her from suspicion, but sometimes Occam can stick his razor where the Sun doesn't shine.

Also, I am surprised that sabie and Sloonei are the only players so far to have anything close to a strong reaction to my ISO's.

I'd like to know what you think your ISOs mean.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:49 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:42 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:33 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:43 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Sounds like it was you. [VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Sounds like what was me? You also had thought jack and tony were potentially bad. I was saying tony and Jack both suspected nutella maybe we should consider they could have been right about her.

You killed Jack in order to frame nutella.

Kind of insulting that you think I'm that dumb. Maybe Im wrong on my read of nutella but if I killed jack why would I be that stupid obvious about it? And what motivation would I have to do so when I probably would have ended up voting jack because I thought he was bad. The only thing I'm bad at this game is reads so far which I'm not the only one.

I think you should try the wine in front of you.

Do you believe Sabie killed Jack for the purpose of framing nutella?

Are you intentionally twisting my words or nah?

I didn't say that.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:52 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:10 pmLC seems to be putting in little effort this game so I'm not sure about him. I thought he usually did more but maybe that's his usual?

If I am going to put effort in, it's usually mid-game. My early game is not that dense.

Lowkey--

Let's say we dont lynch a baddie today.
Then the baddies are lke 30% of the game.
And we don't the next day?
They're suddenly 50% of the game...

In a small game like this, when does the "middle" happen?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:33 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:13 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:43 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:39 pm Hmmm the plot thickens. Jack and tony both felt pretty confidently that nutella was bad and now they both have flipped civ. I've been iffy on nutella from the beginning and am inclined to believe maybe tony and jack were right about her. Putting my vote there for now.[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Sounds like it was you. [VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Sounds like what was me? You also had thought jack and tony were potentially bad. I was saying tony and Jack both suspected nutella maybe we should consider they could have been right about her.

You killed Jack in order to frame nutella.

Kind of insulting that you think I'm that dumb. Maybe Im wrong on my read of nutella but if I killed jack why would I be that stupid obvious about it? And what motivation would I have to do so when I probably would have ended up voting jack because I thought he was bad. The only thing I'm bad at this game is reads so far which I'm not the only one.

I think you should try the wine in front of you.

G-Man-- do you have any current takes?

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

for now.

Sabie and Michelle are the common threads there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:21 am

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:31 am Not caught up yet, but here’s a thought: why did the Tony train develop?

Both Tony and Jack were civvie, leaving nutella as the only unknown from Day 1. Here are some scenarios:

1. Nutella is civvie. The baddies don’t need to offer a third option when the two lead trains are mislynches. Work smarter, not harder. The Tony train was a civvie concoction with one or two baddies following the civvies’ leads.

2. Nutella is a civvie. The baddies launch the Tony train because Jack v. nutella grew stale. Not necessary, but the Jack kill could steer us toward a Day 2 mislynch by focusing on nutella.

3. Nutella is a baddie. The Tony train was started by civvies, and one or two baddies were willing to pad the poll to avoid a randomized tie-breaker after momentum against Jack stalled.

4. Nutella is a baddie. Sensing the pressure on Jack lightening, the baddies launch the Tony train in the hopes of creating a late-phase mislynch at best, and a messy situation involving last-minute vote-hopping at worst.

Consider each scenario. Who are your three baddies in each one?

I still feel like crap but I will do my best.

1. sabie is bad. Maybe Michelle. Maybe LC.
2. sabie is bad. Sloonei is bad. I look not great here too. Neither does Epi or Michelle.
3. Sabie and Michelle are bad. Nutella is their partner.
4. Epi/Sloonei are nutella's partners.

Which scenario do you find most likely?

One or three. I'm feeling like 40% chance of either one.

But that doesn't account for non voters, G-Man. And I'm not sure how I feel about you.


And I didn't quite account for baddies voting on nutella.

IDK how I feel about Quin.


Common threads of my list:
-Sabie
-Michelle
-Sloonei

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:31 am Not caught up yet, but here’s a thought: why did the Tony train develop?

Both Tony and Jack were civvie, leaving nutella as the only unknown from Day 1. Here are some scenarios:

1. Nutella is civvie. The baddies don’t need to offer a third option when the two lead trains are mislynches. Work smarter, not harder. The Tony train was a civvie concoction with one or two baddies following the civvies’ leads.

2. Nutella is a civvie. The baddies launch the Tony train because Jack v. nutella grew stale. Not necessary, but the Jack kill could steer us toward a Day 2 mislynch by focusing on nutella.

3. Nutella is a baddie. The Tony train was started by civvies, and one or two baddies were willing to pad the poll to avoid a randomized tie-breaker after momentum against Jack stalled.

4. Nutella is a baddie. Sensing the pressure on Jack lightening, the baddies launch the Tony train in the hopes of creating a late-phase mislynch at best, and a messy situation involving last-minute vote-hopping at worst.

Consider each scenario. Who are your three baddies in each one?

I still feel like crap but I will do my best.

1. sabie is bad. Maybe Michelle. Maybe LC.
2. sabie is bad. Sloonei is bad. I look not great here too. Neither does Epi or Michelle.
3. Sabie and Michelle are bad. Nutella is their partner.
4. Epi/Sloonei are nutella's partners.

Hey guys I wanted to check in.

I really didn't feel great today and didn't read much of the thread. I hope to be feeling better tomorrow.

xoxo gossip queer

I don't recall civvie Jack being so arrogant.

Though, I also dont' recall if I've played with baddie Jack.

That's not my name.