The Syndicate

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:I have stated my argument. You have said it's WIFOM. Your argument against my argument, is argument enough.

What?

I am saying that a lot of the allegations against me are based in WIFOM because they are.
I am saying that I can't really defend against that nor can anyone really further that argument more than just an allegation based on possibilities.

zeek wrote:I have stated my argument. You have said it's WIFOM. Your argument against my argument, is argument enough.

zeek wrote:

Dom wrote:WIFOM does not make an argument wrong; however, basing an argument on WIFOM makes it an inarguable argument in either direction.

Stating that you cared who was lynched when we were decoding, but didn't when you were voting to lynch Epig 1.0, is illogical.

You're argument that it is WIFOM is argument enough, is it not?

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:Epig, I am curious, why the sudden realization that I must be the Master? Why didn't you realize this about the difference between myself and blooper earlier? Why so suddenly in the middle of day 11?

Because I went to work and got home and watched a movie and cooked supper and watched Gotham and wrote the Zelda post?

You call it sudden. I call it thinking.

zeek wrote:And that is a response to me saying he isn't getting angry this time, another shrewd move.

Use your hypnosis elsewhere, Time Lord.

zeek wrote:And because he knows he can't paint me as the Master, he switches to the focus to Epignosis. Nice, shrewd move.

Epignosis wrote:
Ah-ah-ah.

You voted me because you didn't really know either case that well? That's not what you said then. "I feel quite compelled about both MM and Epig, to be honest."

That's the fucking OPPOSITE of "I honestly didn't really know either case all that well."

zeek wrote:Epignosis 2.0
7
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%
Roxy - Dalek
SVS - heavily hinted civ, nobody calling her out on her hint
Chris - heavily hinted civ, nobody calling him out on his hint
Dom - ?
Long Con 1.0 - CIV, or couldn't replace back in
Bass - Cyber
Metalmarsh - The Master's best pal.

Only one missing peice to that jigsaw.

zeek wrote:

Dom wrote:I'm sorry that's what you think, because it's gonna lead you to a shitty conclusion.

I was right in our argument-- a civvie was lynched because the entire day was spent decoding and none of the day was spent baddie hunting until the last few hours. I believe that was the Epig lynch? Maybe Snow Dog? I don't remember, but I was right. I am interested in killing baddies. I am interested in getting results. Decoding is fine, but we spent almost a whole day doing it just to have a civvie lynched.
I don't know how that's relevant. I thought you were focussing on the Master because you could have been bad. I think I was wrong about that. Sorry?

You were not right. A poor result is a poor result. We could have spent the entire day period talking and nothing could have changed the outcome.

You don't see how somebody criticising somebody else for decoding the Master's secrets is relevant?

zeek wrote:I'm not saying I buy Epignosis' "case," but it made me think of this post:

Dom wrote:In addition, while I love the secrets discussion going on, let's not forget that we have to lynch someone and that there are PLENTY of baddie roles to decode here.
I'm actually eyeing zeek for his focus on the Master, ignoring all other baddie roles, and even pointing out that the other baddies' secrets were up...

Which led to my early argument with Dom. Half the day period was left and a part of me still thinks he didn't want us decoding. He accused me of focusing on the Master, worried perhaps? And got pretty pissy with me when I suggested he was discouraging us working on the secrets.

Epignosis 2.0
7
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%

Quite frankly, looking at those who voted Epignosis when Metalmarsh was lynched, almost all of those roles are known or heavily hinted at. This has got my attention tbh.

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Dom, why did you vote for me this Day, but you never voted for me again?

Epignosis 2.0
7
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%

MetalMarsh
7
MovingPictures07 (7), DFaraday (8), juliets (13), Epignosis (16), Snow Dog (17), Elohcin (20), Hedgeowl (21) 32%

I believe that was the lynch I was in NYC for and was not really paying attention tbh

Perhaps.

Dom wrote:OK guys! I'm here right now. However, today I am doing quite a bit. I'm going up to Morningside Heights, coming back down for dinner, and then seeing Hedwig. That puts me at around 10:00 get back time. I have no idea if we're gonna do anything else, so I must vote now. I feel really crappy for not participating today, but this is my mini-vacation, so I don't actually feel bad.

Thank you for the summaries, everyone. I read those. I feel quite compelled about both MM and Epig, to be honest. I think Epig is being a bit too pedantic, a bit too difficult, and a bit too rude to actually be trying to lynch baddies at this point. I also think MM could have been distancing. I will now vote for Epig. I honestly think they're both bad.

We're both bad, but you vote for me. And then, after MM is lynched, you never vote for me again? Ever?

That's distancing 101. "My teammate and Player E are both bad, but I'm going to vote Player E for now."

Chris wrote:But Dom not voting for you again doesn't make him The Master any more than it makes the rest of us.

I'm trying to see your point of view Epig. I want Dom dead as much as you do, but I want him to be bad when he dies.

Your case does nothing to say that he's The Master.

It just showed that he thought you were bad at one point, and then didn't later. Or he prioritized someone ahead of you.

Holy shit indeed.

Epignosis wrote:Dom, why did you vote for me this Day, but you never voted for me again?

Epignosis 2.0
7
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%

MetalMarsh
7
MovingPictures07 (7), DFaraday (8), juliets (13), Epignosis (16), Snow Dog (17), Elohcin (20), Hedgeowl (21) 32%

Hedgeowl wrote:

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Long Con wrote:Black Rock was also killed by The Master very soon after stating that she thinks Dom is The Master, but has no proof.

Thought that might factor in.

I do not remember that post from her. It would seem weird for Dom to kill her if that were the case though...

I'm curious, Hedge, what do you mean by "weird"?

Weird, odd, strange, obvious, peculiar.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Long Con wrote:Black Rock was also killed by The Master very soon after stating that she thinks Dom is The Master, but has no proof.

Thought that might factor in.

I do not remember that post from her. It would seem weird for Dom to kill her if that were the case though...

Long Con wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:He's not gonna tell you.

Is that a strategy I don't know yet?

Not really the way to get votes. Why can't Epig be The Master?

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:I am not the Master, Epig.

Super.

So Nijuu is then?

I don't have as many roles squared away as you seem to, so if that's what you have deduced, then yes.

Do you want to know how I know nijuu isn't The Master and that you're telling me a story?

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:I am not the Master, Epig.

Super.

So Nijuu is then?

keys56000000000 wrote:I might have ragequitted a little back there, my apologies.


I think I might give DF a bye for his role hint. No one has come forth to contest it, so unless he knows whom The Odd was, or is gambling that he knows whom The Odd was (I certainly don't recall anyone else hinting at it, but I'm not a show-watcher), he might very well be The Odd.

Any thoughts on Hedgeowl and Gotrees? I'm curious to know if anyone can vouch for Dom. I'm considering a Hedgeowl vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think Parks and Rec mafia needs to be hosted LITERALLY right the fuck now.

nijuukyugou wrote:I am also curious why people seem so confident in accepting role hints in the thread as canon. First of all, I didn't even know that was allowed, however subtle. Secondly, I trust absolutely no one in mafia, ever, so I don't know why others are keen to do so. I thought I had caught the Ood role hint from DF, but I ignored it because...once again, I trust no one, and I brushed it off as a DW joke because it seemed too...outing. Like, no way he was actually saying that and getting away with it.

As for myself and looking at me, I am not playing under the radar. I am finally able to get back into a game with a reasonable number of people and (almost) reasonable number of posts to read after work (I will probably avoid most large games after this, since I have so much trouble keeping up). You will waste your time and valuable votes on me for being "quiet" and on incorrect speculation. With that being said, I'm willing to offer what I can to the conversation, and whatever is asked of me to defend/explain.

On another note, I find your theory of the recruiter possibly dying early interesting, MP. I'm probably asking a dumb question, but who do people believe the recruiter is playing for? The Cybers? Or a secret role? Or both? God I have a feeling this has been answered and someone's gonna bang their head against the wall...

Linki - Damn, MP, glad that vote is "subject to change!" You'll be a very sad, sad sock if you're followed by others :P

keys56000000000 wrote:Let's play a BSG game next, yay!

I think at this stage of the game, throwing out a role hint is an acceptable risk. After all, there's a good chance later in the game that the role is dead. And who knows, maybe by some recruiting btsc jiggery, DF knows The Ood (thanks Hedge ) is dead. I would say The Ood is a convenient role to pretend to be, since it's a lone civ, but there is the potential that someone targeted the Ood, had the action reversed back on them, and they therefore know who The Ood is. Because of that extra element, I'd personally be against pretending to be that role. I'd risk hinting at another. Idk. In this particular case, I feel 60/40ish that the hint is genuine.

Long Con wrote:^ the* error

because I know you were all so very confused.

Chris wrote:1. Dom, that annoyed tone that you're sensing from SVS is the exact same tone that I got when she was The Creeping Death in Recruitment. Also, thank you to you and LC for now just blowing the question off as if it's of no importance. This isn't the only thing that has me suspecting that SVS is the recruiter. And Dom, like you, I don't feel that just because Dr. MP says she's good, that I should just ignore the question. The fact that MP took this attitude towards the question, among a few other questionable actions, is what has me continuing to suspect that MP is recruited.

Chris wrote:Fuck.. Dom is going to fucking flip when he read's that....

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:Chris, the most interesting bit of that SVS business is that she knew Mickeys secrets before they were public. Very strange indeed

I did? Can you refresh me? And what "SVS Business" are you speaking of?

I did not know any secrets, and my role doesn't have any. So not sure what you mean.

Linki, no I didn't , you are grasping at anything that will make mebsd and you are just flat wrong. I think my original wording was clear enough, if awkward.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Chris, GIVE IT UP.

She's not the recruiter.

S~V~S wrote:Thanks Juliets.

The public part of Mickeys role says if he is targeted a coin will be flipped. What else would that mean other than pretty much the same thing as Sarah Jane?

That part isn't a secret, and I think it is really obvious.

DFaraday wrote: The first thing I noticed is that she was not really under the radar in the early game; while Ninja's posts were few, each one tended to be quite long and expressive. However, her early and mid-game suspicions skewed heavily towards the Daleks. Made and Enrique were her top suspects around Day 4, with Ninja consistently bringing them up and voicing suspicion of them.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm a little surprised I survived the night, although I guess the Cybers figure I'm an easy lynch target anyway.

I want to address the point Dom has brought up a couple of times in regards to my sudden mention of him being the Master. Dom, Ninja, the very point of it was that I had no previous opinion of you. I have people I believe to be civvie, and I have people whom I believe to be Cybermen. Thus, I figured the Master is likely in that middle range of people I haven't slotted into either of the former categories, and that included you by default. It had nothing to do with Epi having mentioned both of you previously (I think Epi is bad anyway, so why would I copy his opinions?).

And I do think SD has been defending Bass because SD is also a Cyberman.

So if hit was the case why not say that? Why say you have no idea when you had an idea?

Because you wanted to play it extra safe. Me thinks.

I didn't want to just randomly say, "I think Dom could be the Master" when I have absolutely no evidence beyond the fact that I haven't placed you as a civvie or baddie. It would seem like something really accusatory and unhelpful to just put out there, but when I was directly asked who my suspects for the Master are, I did bring you up.

But... if you had that throught, why not explain this way at the time. surely that wasn't an original thought in between the 14 hours of those posts.

I suppose I could have said something like, "I think the Master is Dom or Ninja or one of the other people I have no strong opinion of." But since I've been under suspicion of being the Master since the last day phase, I thought talking about the Master like that would just look like I was trying to throw Master suspicion onto anyone but myself. It seemed better to keep it to myself until I actually had some evidence (I still don't) or until I was specifically asked who I thought the Master could be.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I'm a little surprised I survived the night, although I guess the Cybers figure I'm an easy lynch target anyway.

I want to address the point Dom has brought up a couple of times in regards to my sudden mention of him being the Master. Dom, Ninja, the very point of it was that I had no previous opinion of you. I have people I believe to be civvie, and I have people whom I believe to be Cybermen. Thus, I figured the Master is likely in that middle range of people I haven't slotted into either of the former categories, and that included you by default. It had nothing to do with Epi having mentioned both of you previously (I think Epi is bad anyway, so why would I copy his opinions?).

And I do think SD has been defending Bass because SD is also a Cyberman.

So if hit was the case why not say that? Why say you have no idea when you had an idea?

Because you wanted to play it extra safe. Me thinks.

I didn't want to just randomly say, "I think Dom could be the Master" when I have absolutely no evidence beyond the fact that I haven't placed you as a civvie or baddie. It would seem like something really accusatory and unhelpful to just put out there, but when I was directly asked who my suspects for the Master are, I did bring you up.

DFaraday wrote:I'm a little surprised I survived the night, although I guess the Cybers figure I'm an easy lynch target anyway.

I want to address the point Dom has brought up a couple of times in regards to my sudden mention of him being the Master. Dom, Ninja, the very point of it was that I had no previous opinion of you. I have people I believe to be civvie, and I have people whom I believe to be Cybermen. Thus, I figured the Master is likely in that middle range of people I haven't slotted into either of the former categories, and that included you by default. It had nothing to do with Epi having mentioned both of you previously (I think Epi is bad anyway, so why would I copy his opinions?).

And I do think SD has been defending Bass because SD is also a Cyberman.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Snowy, it makes you sound like Chris Traeger. :P

S~V~S wrote:Actually, i thought it was kinda funny, since all the choices were John Barrowman

Elohcin wrote:voted John Barrowman.

nijuukyugou wrote:
2) Mentions of me (and Dom) have been made by Epi, and then DF. First, I wonder why I was mentioned as a potential candidate for the Master. It wasn't really explained, and the only speculation others have had is my quietness. Soooo...is there something else? But then, like others pointed out, why did DF so suddenly have us on his radar within hours of Epi's non-explained suspicion? The argument that he's been opportunistic, based on this and other instances pointed out, looks sound to me.

Long Con wrote: A Major Significant Change?

Long Con wrote:Works for me. I'd still like to see Bass lynched... but let's see what Strax does in the meantime.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm working on catching up (shouldn't be too much longer), but then I will be making a major, significant change when I am done.

Also, if I can get the night PMs in early enough, I will try to get an early post up. I have to be up a bit earlier than normal for work tomorrow because of competition checks, so that way, an earlier night post benefits everyone!

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I agree re Hedge tbh; like Ninjuju I would have expected more involvement from a civ Hedge.

I can see the case against Faraday, and agree it is probably true. My initial issue with it was that the initial case presented was based totally on blendiness, and Faraday is the blendiest person I have ever played with, bad or good. But yeah, subsequent points have been good ones.

Having had a lot of experience with DFaraday-- I would say his baddie game generally comes with a lot more posts about solely defending himself or zero actual content. His civvie game play is much more productive in that sense.

And what do you see here? I have never learned to qualify his blendiness.

DFaraday wrote:

zeek wrote:DF, who do you think the Master is? Surely he's likely going to be under the radar, like yourself, so how else can a case be formed?

I am considering Dom and Ninja as possibilities, although I don't really have any evidence since, as you pointed out, since we don't know the Master as having BTSC with anyone it does make finding him difficult. I also don't want to excuse Chris from that role, just because everyone seems to have accepted at face value that he's a civ. I just think that it's a terrible strategy to let virtually confirmed baddies be and go lynching people based on hunches. The circle must be broken.

EBWOP: So you've determined that nobody else in the game could be the Master except Elo? That's...implausible.

S~V~S wrote:I agree re Hedge tbh; like Ninjuju I would have expected more involvement from a civ Hedge.

I can see the case against Faraday, and agree it is probably true. My initial issue with it was that the initial case presented was based totally on blendiness, and Faraday is the blendiest person I have ever played with, bad or good. But yeah, subsequent points have been good ones.

Snow Dog wrote:My thoughts on Hedgowl are well documented. The popular opinion is that DF is the Master.

Sorry. i don't really know what you are getting at.

Snow Dog wrote:

Dom wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:Opinions on the quiet players? Gotrees? Elohcin? Nijuu?

I asked for those and was laughed out of the room. Maybe you'll have more luck!

I think....who was it, Juliets? Well, she made a goods observation about Gotrees. In that he was super helpful with his poll choice info but nothing much else.

keys56000000000 wrote:Opinions on the quiet players? Gotrees? Elohcin? Nijuu?

Chris wrote:

Dom wrote:Chris, just curious, I was looking at post counts and I noticed something:


Dana: 145

Hedgeowl: 118
Gotrees: 93
Black Rock: 80
DFaraday: 66
Bass_The_Clever: 58
Elohcin: 55
nijuukyugou: 42


What do you make of that?
Not accusing you of anything-- just curious what you'd think.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Hi guys! I don't have much new info based on my new life as Dana. I can tell you some things in the past that won't make any difference regarding the current situation.

You're a Dalek k? I saw Dana with the devil.

Yeah, the other secret role is the Dalek Body. The original Long Con was secretly the Dalek Head, who randomly spins around like The Exorcist whenever someone lies in the thread.

Chris wrote:I think Bass is the Cyber team role checker. I've been saying that. I haven't seen any reason to think otherwise.

I also think that the stop and the switch are end game preparations by the recruitment team.

But I'm a pessimist with a fatalistic view on most things.


MM, they were game related.

I suppose the poem could have given something, but I'm more inclined to believe they are recruiter powers.