The Syndicate

Canucklehead wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:What do you think of my case on Canucklehead, LC?

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I'll respond to this!
I think it's bunk

But seriously. It's bunk. I know it.

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I'm sorry, but I'm confused-- did I miss something?

Both of you tbh.

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Turnip Head wrote:No, I was suspicious of Roxy because I thought it was odd how little she reacted to the fact that she was should have been lynched on that day where she had more votes than ninju. I thought maybe she had expressed her reaction in BTSC, or else knew more than she was letting on. I was also suspicious of some of her early posts where she listed out her suspects with careful consideration. I feel like Roxy only makes those list-type posts as a baddie and plays more freeform as a civvie, which I guess isn't true.

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I didn't see these reasons in a quick scan of your posts nor do I recall it. Why didn't you say those reasons before you died-- if I am correct you were alive at the time, no? Please correct me if I'm wrong

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Turnip Head wrote:I was suspicious of Roxy until I became her, so I guess I'd have to say yes. I'm a civvie though. Trying and failing.

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Were you suspicious of her for the reasons I am?

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Turnip Head wrote:...

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How does this count as on-topic?

Anyway, TH, would you, in my position, be suspicious of you/Roxy in the slightest?

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Long Con wrote:Hey, thread, no death. I also thought it might be a non-participator trick, but there's not really a likely person to point to for that.

Maybe there's a Civvie roleblocker out there who now knows a baddie?

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That would be nice!!

TH-- I would be willing to re-visit my Canuck suspicion. I'll have to read that further.

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Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:TH-- who would you like to lynch

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I've got one idea, it's gonna take me a minute to put it all together.

(not counting this as it doesn't feel on topic enough)

Is it me?

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TH-- who would you like to lynch

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Turnip Head wrote:Why would it be a no kill? Everyone had like 72 hours to send their PM's in. It must have failed somehow. Although most of the roles that can stop a baddie kill are baddie roles themselves...

linki: I don't think we have any inactives unless you count Vompatti, who I'm not suspicious of. Do you guys really think the baddies would intentionally waste a kill this late in the game?

+1

Perhaps they want to seem inactive, IDK?

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Ricochet wrote:That would mean for me not to only to skip sleeping tonight, but also stay in my hotel room all day long tomorrow, so I'll doubt I'll be much of a competitor.

But he's the first thought I can put on the table: was it a kill fail or a no kill? ALso, contrary to sabie, the night post didn't specify who was targeted this time.

Rico = 1

This might point to no kill? IDK.

There's many ways to read that-- do we have any inactive left? Are the baddies trying to appear inactive?

Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:I'm not asking you to defend it-- I'm asking you to prove otherwise. They are entirely different tasks. Show me a viable lynch candidate, then. Find me a baddie. If you're not bad, who is?
I'm trying to do this, I've been trying ever since I rejoined the game. Although, with two teams still around, finding a single baddie proves no one's innocence anyway. Right now I'm as lost as ever, and find myself trusting too many people. But I have the same question for you. I'm not bad, so who could be?

Perhaps Canuck.

Made and LC have given me a nervous tick once or twice, but nothing major I've noticed yet. I haven't been able to read them closely.

But you are, by far, my biggest suspect at this point.

Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:How the hell am I misleading anyone?
Because you keep accusing me of intentionally misleading, when that's not at all my objective and I think that's evident in the way I've approached this discussion. All I wanted to know was why you were suspicious of me. I now see that your suspicion of me is based on Bass' read of Roxy and because you think Roxy would not have allowed the SVS kill but she was replaced so you flipped the other way on it. Okay. I have no idea how to defend against any of that because it predates my time in this role, it seems none of your suspicions pertain to me specifically but rather my predecessor, but that's your prerogative and at least I know where you stand.

I'm not asking you to defend it-- I'm asking you to prove otherwise. They are entirely different tasks. Show me a viable lynch candidate, then. Find me a baddie. If you're not bad, who is?

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I just showed that your claim that I never expressed why I'm suspicious of you were incorrect.
I just showed that your attempted comparison between my post and my actions were incompatible.
How the hell am I misleading anyone?

Well, well, TH-- how you have misled. You are partially correct in that I never fully articulate it in my own, original content why I suspect you-- but I certainly agree with what others have said:

Dom wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok my thoughts so far.
1. I really think we need to look at roxy. If you go back and re-read her you will notice that earlier this game she would always vote someone else instead of MM but she always said she found the case on MM to be valid. To me it seems that both her and MM could have been distancing from each other. Would love to hear others thoughts.
2. I need to go back and re-read DF.
3. Canucklehead you sticking up for MM so much really doesn't look. I want to go back and re-read you before making my mind up on you because we all make mistakes.
I would be willing to consider a Roxy vote-- is your only suspicion of her that she "suspected" MM?

....
there's this.

Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:To answer your question Dom, Roxy only voted for MM on the day he was lynched. That doesn't look good, does it?
Yet she suspected him for many days, no?

And considering you replaced her-- well... I'm beginning to think that Roxy had no say in the NK of SVS if she's on that team.

That does change things for me, that Roxy did end up getting replaced.

And this. You know, where I debated whether SVS being NK'd by what I suspect is Roxy's team makes Rox (you) civvie or baddie...

You know... you didn't intentionally mislead anyone for a hot second there or anything.

Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:tbh th ur bad i think
You have said nothing to back this up. Didn't you think I was doing the same to you (I wasn't), and you thought it was suspicious?

Dom wrote:tbh Turnip Head, maybe I'd take your suspicion of me seriously if you had a single reason to back it up so I can actually say something about it. But I think that's what you're going for.
Where did I say that made it more suspicious?

Pray tell.
You said "But I think that's what you were going for", implying I had ulterior motives for suspecting you. If that wasn't your intention, please clarify.

Also, please point out where you have stated your reasons for thinking I'm bad, because I can't find it.

It IS a strategy to hold your cards close to your chest and I think that's what you were going for.

Also, I have stated it over and over again-- your refusal to see that is evident. I don't have time to pull the quotes now-- I will try later.

Also I have previously said reasons why I think you're bad.

Nice try though (:

Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:tbh th ur bad i think
You have said nothing to back this up. Didn't you think I was doing the same to you (I wasn't), and you thought it was suspicious?

Dom wrote:tbh Turnip Head, maybe I'd take your suspicion of me seriously if you had a single reason to back it up so I can actually say something about it. But I think that's what you're going for.

Where did I say that made it more suspicious?

Pray tell.

tbh th ur bad i think

I'll bite.
It's opening night. I'm voting for AP

Canucklehead wrote:Holy shit I'm terrible at endgame. I've now convinced myself that RoxNips and Rico are teamies.

...which leads me to ask: who is it more important to get rid of today, an MM teamie (who I bleieve to be either AP or Made)? Or someone from the other team (RoxNips or Rico)?

LC, Dom, Vomps (and others, but I'll take everyone else's opinions with a large salt lick at this point): What are the obvious holes in these teamie assumptions? What am I stupidly overlooking? We need o get this right today, and we need to be unified.

Either AP or TH...

Turnip Head wrote:
Dom wrote:TH, if it were between me and AP who would you pick? Why should I vote for AP over you?
I'm leaning towards voting AP. Made's recent posts made me feel better about his vote yesterday, which raises AP's vote to the top of my suspicions. I think LC made some good observations about him and I pointed out some things that concern me about AP as well, notably that he pulled the "Baddies want to lynch low posters" card as soon as he possibly could. So, you should vote for AP over me if you think there's any merit to that case.

If AP flips civ-- should we lynch you?

Ricochet wrote:Shall I presume the last part or my entire post? If the former, yes I realize that, but these are similarities that I notice.

Yes, the former.

Admitting that you are incorrect and regret your decisions is a baddie trait now?

TH, if it were between me and AP who would you pick? Why should I vote for AP over you?

^That's rich tbh

Made wrote:Dom the Don?
This think is a fun place to start, and make for a good transition from my last post.
Dom wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Dom wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:I think Rixy, or maybe LC, or maybemaybe old sabie/lizzy would be good for lynching today.
Why LC?
Why not?
I'm curious.
I had a theory earlier in the game that proved to be wrong, I think. Very early theory just thinking about who might be on a team together--

LC was one of those people.
So, why LC? Why should I vote LC instead of you?

Canucklehead wrote:
Long Con wrote:Because I'm not bad, and several of you are.
I'm not bad, either, but the problem is I really don't know who is. I've been so wrong about everyone I suspected, that maybe it's time to start suspecting the people I've trusted. Maybe you? Mate Dom, who has done little but ask deflecting questions all game? Maybe the players who were replaced because their baddie teammates were desperate to drop the dead weight of no-shows? I dunno. I'm lost.

I know my head is on the chopping block today, but I'm a civ and ice played like a civ (i.e. blindly and without success) the entire game.
That is a statement that is very misrepresentative of my game.

How would you describe your play this game then? We butt heads. A lot, which has over time has biased me to second guess suspicion, but typically it's us not seeing eye to eye. In this game on the contrary, I've found myself agreeing with the train of thought behind your post, but i'm curious if the reasoning is the same.

We butt heads a lot because I often suspect you, and I remember being right on a few occasions.

Made wrote: Quiz show time!

Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:Baddies have been laying very low.

Ok, so Sabie had no real on-topic posts, and then was replaced by A Person, who has had basically one on-topic post, plus two more discussing how he doesn't know how the Uwe Boll lock works. His one post is "I had wanted to vote MM but the thread was locked I've felt he was fishy all game."

So that's a likely place to put my vote.

Lizzy had a handful of on-topics, casting some suspicion at Llama, and voting Metalmarsh with no real reasons stated. Made has been much more active, with some real analytical posts on DFaraday.

Made, why did you look at the votes on Days 5 and 6, and call out S~V~S and Roxy, but not Ricochet or Canuck?
So we should look at low liers?

Interesting.
I agree, but why do you feel that we shouldn't go after the low-liers?

I don't entirely remember the context of that quote nor do I have the energy to really look into it, but without a reason to vote low-liers... why should we? I think LC has brought up an excellent point about AP, but I'm unsure beyond that because there's nothing to go on.

Made wrote:
Dom wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Sorry everybody. I got sucked in by puzzle solving in Death Note. I'm not even good at it, but I caught the bug as soon as I saw a few things I could solve.

I'm open to more reasoning on the inactives being potentially bad, because I do acknowledge this is way beyond worrying now that we are so few left. For one, the baddies eliminating active, significant players one by one is likely telling, but in hindsight we probably shouldn't have let those players fly by either. But I'd like all the replacements to be discussed, with both views on the past player and whether you find the current players has made himself suspicious with or may try to conceal. I promise to come with thoughts on them and others tomorrow.
Do you have thoughts on Roxy/TH?
What are your thoughts on Roxy/TH?

I might vote Dom, depending the answers to these questions

It's getting late.... I really want to finish this tonight, so i might start tonight post tomorrow? till then..... yo LC....

My thoughts on Roxy/TH?
I've said them in the thread a few times, but I thought it was interesting that Bass found them suspicious. I think Bass has good insight into his mom's play. I think he brought some good points up. I don't think TH has done anything to dispel this suspicion.

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:I've also referenced a "I would have voted Metalmarsh" from AP that pinged me a little. That is the one difference that made me vote for him last time.
What post was this???

Long Con wrote:
Long Con wrote:Ok, so Sabie had no real on-topic posts, and then was replaced by A Person, who has had basically one on-topic post, plus two more discussing how he doesn't know how the Uwe Boll lock works. His one post is "I had wanted to vote MM but the thread was locked I've felt he was fishy all game."

So that's a likely place to put my vote.
That's my take on Sabie/AP thing. That distancing thing with MM is what draws my eye the most. *votes AP*

I understand now.

Long Con wrote:I've also referenced a "I would have voted Metalmarsh" from AP that pinged me a little. That is the one difference that made me vote for him last time.

What post was this???

Turnip Head wrote:Dom and Made are my top two. I tried building a case that explains my concerns about Dom... but tbh, my suspicion of him is mostly gut, followed by a hunch that I think he killed Llama due to their back-and-forth right before Llama's death. So, pretty circumstantial. And I'm not sure I should trust my gut re: Dom, as I don't have a stellar track record of reading Dom or anything, so I dunno.

Made's vote from yesterday stands out as the shadiest to me and I still haven't heard an explanation for it. I'm leaning toward voting this way for now, unless he says something that makes me reconsider.

To the people who suspect AP... what makes him stand out above Vompatti to you? They are basically the same to me at this point. I think there's at least one baddie that isn't playing a high profile game, but I would have no idea how to pick out which one it is without some voting records to back it up. And we haven't lynched many baddies, so voting records don't really show anything. It feels like a shot in the dark.

Has Made explained his vote at all?

Ricochet wrote:Sorry everybody. I got sucked in by puzzle solving in Death Note. I'm not even good at it, but I caught the bug as soon as I saw a few things I could solve.

I'm open to more reasoning on the inactives being potentially bad, because I do acknowledge this is way beyond worrying now that we are so few left. For one, the baddies eliminating active, significant players one by one is likely telling, but in hindsight we probably shouldn't have let those players fly by either. But I'd like all the replacements to be discussed, with both views on the past player and whether you find the current players has made himself suspicious with or may try to conceal. I promise to come with thoughts on them and others tomorrow.

Do you have thoughts on Roxy/TH?

Long Con wrote:I suspect Made, A Person, and Turnip Head the most.

I would be most onboard with a Turnip Head lynch of those three.

It's pretty apologetic because you were civ and I helped lynch you.

I was fooled by a baddie-- how else am I supposed to sound?

Turnip Head wrote:Dom, could you explain what specifically prompted you to vote for me when I got lynched as 1.0? I'm not looking for a link or a quote, just in your own present-day words, what you were feeling/thinking when you cast the vote?

Upon a quick skim back-- TBH I got fooled by MM. I thought you might have information on the role you speculated might force votes. I just thought you might have effed up tbh.

I'll be honest and say I haven't been playing my best given my theatre situation right now (show opens in 2 days). I apologize for that. I was wrong.

Canucklehead wrote:Fuckpants. I definitely had Bass as a civ.

So. Today's question, boys and girls, is whether I stick with my gut (and Bass's) and vote RoxNip, move forward with my Team MM + AWOL hypothesis and vote Made or AP, or vote Dom for being cheeky and trying to get me lynched yesterday.

Thoughts?

I might be on board for a Made/AP lynch... but I'd be more apt to vote for you or TH tbh.

Turnip Head wrote:Dom, could you explain what specifically prompted you to vote for me when I got lynched as 1.0? I'm not looking for a link or a quote, just in your own present-day words, what you were feeling/thinking when you cast the vote?

To be honest, I hardly remember that. I'll read back and get back to you.

tbh Turnip Head, maybe I'd take your suspicion of me seriously if you had a single reason to back it up so I can actually say something about it. But I think that's what you're going for.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote: Also, what happens in the case of a lynch tie?[/b]
My host policy on ties: no one dies.

You are dead

Turnip Head wrote:'Nucks, it's between you and Dom for me right now, I think. I was starting to feel strange about Dom before I got lynched but I can't really remember why, so I'm going to reread him. I also thought Vomps' vote for you was out of character, but I'm not sure what it would mean.

Actually, you also said this.

Nice try though.

Turnip Head wrote:I voted for Dom.

For a "reason" you "can't remember".

This lynch was weird AF.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm voting Roxy

*votes Canuck*

Canucklehead wrote:
Dom wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:Just so we've got our semantics clear whilst we're catching up Ol' Nippy, let the record show tht I did not *defend* MM so much as I failed to see any compelling reason to vote for him. It's a subtle difference, but an important one.

I'm sad that we can't vote for RoxNip today, because I really am starting to think that they're badbad....but I guess there are still about 4 billion other baddies gleefully rolling about in the thread, so I guess I just have to decide which one to vote for.

I think Sabie/Ap is my most likely vote today. I will NOT be voting for Bass, myself, SD/Vomps, or RoxNip (but only because I can't). All the rest of y'all are fair game.
What changed from your previous post?
Canucklehead wrote:I'm least likely to vote for Rico, Dom, and Made today.

But I'm LEAST least likely to vote for Canucklehead, because she is a beautiful soul who means no one any harm.

Linki: Nippy's back! My delicious tubery pal! My arms and my teeth are open to you.

That's a radically different answer.
My first list was an off-the-top-of-my-head response to reading LC's question. My second was after actual thought on the matter.

So a totally different set of people?

AP-- what do you make of Canuck?

Canucklehead wrote:Just so we've got our semantics clear whilst we're catching up Ol' Nippy, let the record show tht I did not *defend* MM so much as I failed to see any compelling reason to vote for him. It's a subtle difference, but an important one.

I'm sad that we can't vote for RoxNip today, because I really am starting to think that they're badbad....but I guess there are still about 4 billion other baddies gleefully rolling about in the thread, so I guess I just have to decide which one to vote for.

I think Sabie/Ap is my most likely vote today. I will NOT be voting for Bass, myself, SD/Vomps, or RoxNip (but only because I can't). All the rest of y'all are fair game.

What changed from your previous post?

Canucklehead wrote:I'm least likely to vote for Rico, Dom, and Made today.

But I'm LEAST least likely to vote for Canucklehead, because she is a beautiful soul who means no one any harm.

Linki: Nippy's back! My delicious tubery pal! My arms and my teeth are open to you.

That's a radically different answer.

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:That sounds like an absolutely insane task, LC What made you think of it? I plan on going through her posts tomorrow.

I believe we can still turn this thing around my friend. What do you make of Canuck defending MM?
Hard times sometimes call for insane measures. I'm still on the fence about Canuck.
I'm feeling Canuck might be bad just because I was on the fence and then SVS died-- idk, man.
What does S~V~S' death have to do with Canuck?

It's a WIFOM cesspool of "would she? wouldn't she?"

Long Con wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:That sounds like an absolutely insane task, LC What made you think of it? I plan on going through her posts tomorrow.

I believe we can still turn this thing around my friend. What do you make of Canuck defending MM?
Hard times sometimes call for insane measures. I'm still on the fence about Canuck.

I'm feeling Canuck might be bad just because I was on the fence and then SVS died-- idk, man.

Turnip Head wrote:To answer your question Dom, Roxy only voted for MM on the day he was lynched. That doesn't look good, does it?

Yet she suspected him for many days, no?

And considering you replaced her-- well... I'm beginning to think that Roxy had no say in the NK of SVS if she's on that team.

That does change things for me, that Roxy did end up getting replaced.

Turnip Head wrote:Looking through Bass' posts I think he just has a gut feeling about Roxy. He also thought she was doing hard distancing with MM. I'll need to look into Roxy's posts next to figure out why he thinks that, but I'm happy to report it isn't the case.

Did Roxy ever vote for MM?

Turnip Head wrote:Who do you suspect, Dom?

Canuck, you (to a much smaller extent), and potentially a few others.

Turnip Head wrote:Okay so where does that leave us :P

why do you think bass thinks you're bad?

Turnip Head wrote:Nupe. u?

nope.

Turnip Head wrote:
Long Con wrote:Well well well....

Wellity wellity wellity....
Hello, Long Con! Happy to see me?

Could anybody help me out with a quick recap?

are you bad

Long Con wrote:I felt good about Made's recent posts, so I would be more likely to vote A Person between the two of them.

Who are the three people you would be least likely to vote for, Dom?

That's tough because the people I've trusted have been dying. :/

But I think I would be least likely to vote Vompatti, Made, and... Ricochet? I keep wavering on him.

That was a hard question.

Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote:Baddies have been laying very low.

Ok, so Sabie had no real on-topic posts, and then was replaced by A Person, who has had basically one on-topic post, plus two more discussing how he doesn't know how the Uwe Boll lock works. His one post is "I had wanted to vote MM but the thread was locked I've felt he was fishy all game."

So that's a likely place to put my vote.

Lizzy had a handful of on-topics, casting some suspicion at Llama, and voting Metalmarsh with no real reasons stated. Made has been much more active, with some real analytical posts on DFaraday.

Made, why did you look at the votes on Days 5 and 6, and call out S~V~S and Roxy, but not Ricochet or Canuck?
So we should look at low liers?

Interesting.
It's one way to look at things. I'm just brainstorming about what might be "going on" in this game. The baddies have been very successful in shaping a lot of Civvie lynches. I think it's possible that they sat back and let us lynch each other, rather than taking an active hand in the lynches.

Plus, low posters are easier to summarize, and I'm a busy guy. 10:15am, that was just before I went and spent an hour filling buckets with water and carrying them to horses because the barn tap is frozen. Thirsty horses, man, I can't be going through 60+ posts for a case at that time of day!

So-- Made or AP, who do you suspect more?

Canucklehead wrote:
Dom wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:I think Rixy, or maybe LC, or maybemaybe old sabie/lizzy would be good for lynching today.
Why LC?
Why not?

I'm curious.
I had a theory earlier in the game that proved to be wrong, I think. Very early theory just thinking about who might be on a team together--

LC was one of those people.
So, why LC? Why should I vote LC instead of you?

Canucklehead wrote:
Long Con wrote:Because I'm not bad, and several of you are.
I'm not bad, either, but the problem is I really don't know who is. I've been so wrong about everyone I suspected, that maybe it's time to start suspecting the people I've trusted. Maybe you? Mate Dom, who has done little but ask deflecting questions all game? Maybe the players who were replaced because their baddie teammates were desperate to drop the dead weight of no-shows? I dunno. I'm lost.

I know my head is on the chopping block today, but I'm a civ and ice played like a civ (i.e. blindly and without success) the entire game.

That is a statement that is very misrepresentative of my game.

Long Con wrote:Baddies have been laying very low.

Ok, so Sabie had no real on-topic posts, and then was replaced by A Person, who has had basically one on-topic post, plus two more discussing how he doesn't know how the Uwe Boll lock works. His one post is "I had wanted to vote MM but the thread was locked I've felt he was fishy all game."

So that's a likely place to put my vote.

Lizzy had a handful of on-topics, casting some suspicion at Llama, and voting Metalmarsh with no real reasons stated. Made has been much more active, with some real analytical posts on DFaraday.

Made, why did you look at the votes on Days 5 and 6, and call out S~V~S and Roxy, but not Ricochet or Canuck?

So we should look at low liers?

Interesting.

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