The Syndicate

juliets wrote:Dom, anything specific about BR that is causing you concern?

juliets wrote:Black Rock, Bullzeye which way are you looking for this lynch?

DFaraday same question to you?

Dom same to you?

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Also Bullz' hard defense of Vomp whom I still distrust completely has put Bullz on and off of my radar. Although I don't expect that a team with Bullz on it would have the strategy this one appears to have had, tbh, so I have waffled. But I just want dead baddies at this point, and Rabbits case was good, imo.

Ha. No it wasn't. It was okay at best. It's based around a couple of votes and a bunch of assumptions about how I play made by someone who hasn't played with me in literally years. It's a bad case. It's not even right. People should not be voting for me today if they want to lynch a baddie.

"It's not even right"

What would be?

TBH you sound like someone who is mad that they're caught for the wrong reasons here.

I'm 'mad' (but not that mad, more just annoyed. I find I tend to sound more pissed off than I actually am in mafia) a player who knows me really well is acting like someone who has basically no idea how I act is making good points about why I act in a certain way. Rabbit says I deliberately vote late for some calculated baddie tactic reasons when everyone who has played a few games with me should know that that's just how I always like to vote regardless. Yet SVS, who knows my game better than she admits, is acting like this is some profound wisdom when it's not. That's what "isn't even right". I haven't been caught for any reasons. There's nothing to catch.

My votes haven't been very good. Given that it's day 9 and we've only lynched 2 baddies, nobody can really say too much in that regard. Before you get on about Canuck, you'll note that I voted her before you vouched for her and have no intention of doing so again because I believe what you are hinting at.

Rabbit also says I tried to distance by voting Epi during the Zomba lynch. If I wanted to distance, why not vote Zomba? Putting a nail in her coffin would've given me so much "civvie cred" but yet I didn't do that. If I'm a baddie, I'm not a smart one.

Now SVS is making up opinions she says I have to try to make me look even worse. I'm not sure how I feel about that one.

I think it'd be worth revisiting the DF discussion today, as well as looking at players who've been fairly free of suspicion all game. I have reason to believe Bass is civ, but at this stage I don't see why anyone else should really be off the table. We're clearly missing something here.

Linki SVS - I don't see why you'd think I thought TH was bad though. Even without saying it there was an implication in my trust of you. As for Vomp, I've never said he was definitely a civ. I thought it was unlikely because of how the Zomb lynch happened, and then when Epi got lynched it made more sense to me because I still don't understand why he'd have tied a lynch like that between his two teammates. I've asked people on that side of the fence to explain it to me many times and had no response.

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Also Bullz' hard defense of Vomp whom I still distrust completely has put Bullz on and off of my radar. Although I don't expect that a team with Bullz on it would have the strategy this one appears to have had, tbh, so I have waffled. But I just want dead baddies at this point, and Rabbits case was good, imo.

Ha. No it wasn't. It was okay at best. It's based around a couple of votes and a bunch of assumptions about how I play made by someone who hasn't played with me in literally years. It's a bad case. It's not even right. People should not be voting for me today if they want to lynch a baddie.

Black Rock wrote:Well that was an interesting night. I came upon some information that has given me some insight. It has also made me very wary of these early votes. I am not sure how to approach this without upsetting the thread... maybe I should think about it before saying more. This information has led me to believe Rabbit is wrong about Bullz. It has also changed my mind a little about Dom. To clarify that, I have been previously unsure about Dom but now I feel a bit better about him.

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:Remember that tale you came up about being allowed to post despite being silenced?

False.

No it wasn't. It happened twice. The host even corroborated his policy about that in the thread. He does not think it fair in cases of double targeting to make the target fail one or the other. So I was allowed to make the minimum number of post required by the non-silence curse (5 both times it happened to me, it happened TWICE). The first time, was only allowed to discuss the wonders of Epignosis. The second time I needed to post with a specific smiley, . So Llama told me to post only OT for those 5 posts. I was not curses to post OT, only to use that smiley.

Here is Llamas post:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Host: What would happen if a player was simultaneously hit with a silence and a mandatory posting curse?

This particular host does not consider it fair to force a player to fail a curse simply because they were hit with a second curse at the same time.

Absolutely not lying, I swear it on the bears, Dom.

You also got a curse and a silence the same night?

Turnip Head wrote:Ask me a yes or no question when night is over Dom. I'm not sure if the baddies will silence me again but I think there's a chance they will. We'll put this to the test.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:So dom who si your top suspect ?

S~V~S wrote:Dom, I just trusted you in Shawshank, wrong as I may have been. I thought i knew where you were coming from, even if I was very, very wrong~ here I don't know where you are coming from. I thought you would understand the way I am playing my game more so than most people, so it confuses me that you are misunderstanding me so much.

I guess I am trying to figure out exactly what I did to give you the consistent feel that I am bad. There must be a specific thing I did for you to react this way, and I don't know what it is, I guess.

juliets wrote:Dom is there a reason you can share that you trust Canuck that much? I'd like to mark her off my possibilities list.

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok so that sucks. Do we have any ideas what to do next?

I trust no one but Canuck.

While I do understand the fact that she sounded sincere, I found the fact that she was going to follow MY vote to be very provoking. However, I also find it unlikely she would have openly said so if she were bad. So I do not actively suspect her. I realize that there may be reasons why you can't say why you feel as you do, but more than any other game I have played with you, I so wish I could get in your head this game.

I think later, after walking the dog (YAY SPRING ) and cleaning a bit, I will probably post my list.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Ok so that sucks. Do we have any ideas what to do next?

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Instead of being all cryptic like, lay it all out, Dom.

Like you have?

When I suspected people, yes. I laid it out.

S~V~S wrote:Instead of being all cryptic like, lay it all out, Dom.

S~V~S wrote:What do you mean, my number is up? I am definitely not bad, Dom.

Turnip Head wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Well, I'm not as sure as all y'all, so I decided to vote for the last person (with votes) that anyone would expect me to vote for.

I am sure Turnip Head will forgive me

If I had had to make a different choice, I don't think it would have been BWT, though. Which means, I am sure, with my record this game, that he is bad

Not going to lie this worries me.

It worries me too because it makes me think there's a person or item in this game who can control votes

S~V~S wrote:Thats OK. If you are actually telling the truth, I feel much better

I thought I was pissing people off with my over the topness, but if you, who prolly knows me better than most anyone still alive, can say that, perhaps I was not so bad as all that. I was rather annoyed at the baddies the other day, and thought I got carried away. So you saying that makes me feel better.

S~V~S wrote:And you should agree with everything we say, as we are awesome

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:^^ I am beginning to not doubt that tbh, Vomps.

So you think Bass could be bad? How do you reconcile that with the fact that he and MM apparently switched roles?

rabbit8 wrote:No, but there was an item.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:I just feel like listing my lists would only paint targets on people.

I look forward to your thoughts during day 8 then.

Ok, but right now I don't have much. It's literally "these are the people that could be bad:". Your name is on that list because I don't have some good reason to believe you're not.

Long Con wrote:I just feel like listing my lists would only paint targets on people.

Black Rock wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: My statement on hearing from someone who feels SVS is civ is still open though. Speak up peeps! I know there's a few of you out there!

It's mostly the blatant role hinting she's been doing tbh. I really don't see how people aren't picking it up. Not believing her is a choice, but it's not like you could accuse her of being subtle.

Exactly this, it's actually bothering me that they haven't seen this and haven't dropped it.

Turnip Head wrote:Elo hasn't posted at all Day 7. Could she be silenced?

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birdwithteeth11 wrote:
I felt strongly about both Liz and SVS. Still feel strongly about SVS, and wouldn't mind hearing from more people other than Dom who think she isn't bad. Because I'm still not seeing the other side to that one.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:The reason I ask is because I dont get any kinda of vibe from him and it makes me wonder if he is just being a careful baddie

Bass_the_Clever wrote:what do people think of bwt?

rabbit8 wrote:I'm all for voting Canuck and SVS.

Or Dom and TH. .........

Turnip Head wrote:I've reread early-game Canuck, and this is the only post that sticks out to me atm:

Canucklehead wrote:Sorry for not being around, my participation will increase as the game goes on and once RR is done...but you know me. I'm useless until I get my bearings and get drawn in to a game.

Canuck said she would get more talkative as the game went on, but the opposite has actually been true. In my estimation, Canuck had more posts and meatier posts during the first half of the game, and she has gradually dropped off since then. She posted four times on Day 5 and only once on Day 6.

That's not to say that Canuck hasn't made her opinions clearly known... I think that she has. She just doesn't seem as involved as I might expect her to be by now.

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:I guess we'll find out at the end of the game.

TH-- where you at?

I'm going to reread Canuck and Elo when I get home. They are two players who I usually have some sort of opinion on by now, and both of them have evaded my radar so far. I thought that Elo's reactions during Epi's lynch felt a little out of character so I'm going to start my search there.

I had also planned to look into DF but that's moot now. I was also worried about Bass but MM said something re: Bass that made me take pause. Id'd like to know where Bass is looking for this lynch.

Where you at Dom?

Canucklehead wrote:I think there's a doctor on the baddie team that does vaguely worded baddie things.....which I would be very willing to interpret as poisoning and the like, given recent events.

Bullzeye wrote:Two deaths tonight? That's new... and unnerving.

juliets wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Dom wrote:i think the baddies put the safe up there to make us scared.

I think I agree with this because there really isn't a price for the safe. I would think they would want one of the five treasures that they need.

I feel more comfortable with this reasoning. However, I read it as the person who wants to trade the safe away offered not targetting Celestials as a prerequisite for trading, not as a bargaining chip. To the instigator, the safe is only for sale if the mafia will agree to terms.

Or Dom is one of the Celestials and he is trying to play the civves...

But even if he is a celestial, and even if the celestials really did put that item up for sale (which I seriously doubt) there is no way the baddies can promise not to target a celestial. They don't know who is celestial and who is civ. I truly don't believe Dom is just trying to pull the wool over our eyes because the whole thing just doesn't make sense.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Dom wrote:i think the baddies put the safe up there to make us scared.

I think I agree with this because there really isn't a price for the safe. I would think they would want one of the five treasures that they need.

I feel more comfortable with this reasoning. However, I read it as the person who wants to trade the safe away offered not targetting Celestials as a prerequisite for trading, not as a bargaining chip. To the instigator, the safe is only for sale if the mafia will agree to terms.

Or Dom is one of the Celestials and he is trying to play the civves...

Dom is not a Celestial, I can almost guarantee you that.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Dom wrote:i think the baddies put the safe up there to make us scared.

I think I agree with this because there really isn't a price for the safe. I would think they would want one of the five treasures that they need.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
And what do you think about Dom, the guy who has been hounding you more than I have?

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:To be honest, I find the case on LizKeen to be the most compelling. I'm also looking at TH and S~V~S for other reasons I've shared.

Can you refresh these for me? The cases on TH and I? The TH thing is "maybe Vomps is voting for him cause he's the Missionaire & Vomps is giving him power", yes? Well, it looks like TH already voted for Vomps. Lets see if he's a baddie then.

That's not what I said about TH.

I was not talking to you, or about you, or about anything YOU said. That could be why this isn't what you said. Becasue it isn't, and I am fairly sure no one said it was.

S~V~S wrote:Do you really think I would vote TH Liz?

Black Rock wrote:Ok, I'm going to start here. Elohcin, Bass_the_Clever, and DFaraday are all players that are forgettable. I was surprised to see that Elohcin had 60 posts because I can't remember any of her opinions. I will be reviewing her posts after this. DF has 18 posts? How is that possible this far into the game? Bass replaced MP if I'm remembering correctly and I was never that comfortable with MP from the beginning, then I felt shamed to suspect him because of his over the top posts. I will be reviewing all three of these players next and see how I feel after that.

Otherwise my main suspect I am looking at is Liz but I'm not making a decision until after my review.

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:To be honest, I find the case on LizKeen to be the most compelling. I'm also looking at TH and S~V~S for other reasons I've shared.

Can you refresh these for me? The cases on TH and I? The TH thing is "maybe Vomps is voting for him cause he's the Missionaire & Vomps is giving him power", yes? Well, it looks like TH already voted for Vomps. Lets see if he's a baddie then.