The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Eventually.

I'm actually working on them right now.

Epignosis wrote:Eventually.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Banners?

nijuukyugou wrote:Well, hot damn! I should relax and say whatever I want more often :P

Wish I could've been a bit more active for the sake of the other players playing so hard, but hey, I somehow survived. Yay, team!

We ran a good campaign.

Like my items?

MacDougall wrote:Well done on reading me like a book to Dom and whoever else did. Lorab I think pegged me super early on. JJJ at the end.

Sucks that SVS got night killed when she did. After Wilgy, Marmot and SVS got removed so early we were pretty screwed and INH got busy outside the game so I was alone pretty much the whole game. I just hard lurked for like 3 day phases and kept sending in kills hoping to throw people off.

When I was silenced when you started posting again-- I knew you were no good for SURE. Good thing you killed me.

Epignosis wrote:
DFaraday wrote:So nobody tried to NK me the entire game? That was the main reason I was excited to be Dong Zhuo in the first place. :P
Never happened!

After all, the Yellow Turban kill collected dust most of the game.

Reminds me of Shawshank.

Scotty wrote:Epi, thanks for the game btw.

I'm frustrated that my treasure was a dud. Is that one that TH made up?
I was told Lu's Mirror would deflect a kill attempt on me back on the attacker, but apparently I just found out it deflected it onto one of my teammates. I guess Mac tried to kill me and Elo died instead.

And hey Mac: i don't like being silenced, so you definitely got my number there. glad to know you don't fear me and just enjoy watching me squirm in a gag ball though. At least in my BTSC I was silenced. Right Epi?

Glorf, I enjoyed your civ game this go round. I figured you were civ and appreciated your contributions.
Dom, I was wrong about you.
The only reason I figured TH was bad was because of gut based on my perceived ability of NK reflection. Which turned out to be a shit treasure indeed.

Dat Wilgy/MM/INH WIFOM game was quite helpful in sniffing them out tho

That was me.

Rob, I really enjoyed teh game. I wish I could have devoted more time to it.

I'm interested to see how items played into the game.

So.... Mac, DFaraday both bad. I feel good!

Congrats to my fellow winners!

Is there a reason we trust MAc?

Look at that, we all stopped trying to lynch mac en masse and he stopped posting again!

indiglo wrote:
Dom wrote:hi indi.

i'm not the greatest person to answer your questions. I've been very busy and just diong my best to keep my head above water. I've just been voting for whoever I think is bad. HOWEVER, I notice that you ask a lot of questions and have a certain level of ignorance in the game. Why, then, are you confident that nutella is civ?
I am not confident that Nutella is civ. I am only confident in telling her that her suspicion of sig (and therefore of me) is wrong. Sorry if I was confusing in my wording!

No, I shouldn't mafia when i'm about to sleep.

hi indi.

i'm not the greatest person to answer your questions. I've been very busy and just diong my best to keep my head above water. I've just been voting for whoever I think is bad. HOWEVER, I notice that you ask a lot of questions and have a certain level of ignorance in the game. Why, then, are you confident that nutella is civ?

i'm not bad dood.

Scotty wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:LOL, I just find it hard to believe I could be completely absent from the site for like four days and am still alive. But then, not being present in the game means I have no idea what happened and perhaps you found some truly suspicious characters.
I mean you do a bring up a good point against you:

The YT haven't killed since night 6. That was basically 4 days ago (and 12 RL days). You haven't posted since Day 6.

So...you'll be getting a vote from me today, since you seem eager to do so. It also just makes sense to me that you would be on a baddie team with your husband.

My other vote is going to...Sloonei. Not Nutella

This is a VERY good point.

Elohcin wrote:
Dom wrote:Hm.... JJJ was a civ-- who's been trying their best to paint him as bad?
Wow...and see I was going to give an explanation of why I voted for JJJ but thought to keep my mouth shut since I don't have true evidence. But...I voted JJJ b/c I thought maybe this was a "bring someone back" poll. I thought JJJ was civ and thought whoever started the whole JJJ is bad thing is the one who is actually bad. Anyone know who started that train of thought?

Also, may I say that my instincts have been spot on this game despite not getting caught up in all the details of what everyone is saying. Meaning, I am not keeping up with the thread too much, but I do read for tone here and there and I have been wrong ONE time on who is who regarding roles and what not. B/c of that, I think I will share my thoughts on golden and Lorab. I think both are bad. The whole thing where golden changed his mind so quickly about Simon....I didn't say it at the time, but it pinged me somethin' awful. Lorab's overall tone has made me thing she is bad. And they both voted for TH most recently, who I think is also bad. Maybe they thought it was a resurrect poll as well.

...except that I've asked you twice why you voted for me and you haven't answered.

Hm.... JJJ was a civ-- who's been trying their best to paint him as bad?

.............elo why did you vote for me?

I think I might have been wrong about bass.

Sloonei wrote:Went with Russ and Dom because my tenuous feel for this game isn't about to get any stronger, and neither of them has won me over. Plus two of my town reads are already voting for them, and I am committed to this "don't send Bass to the duel" angle for some reason.

Didn't you GTH me as civ like today?

Elohcin wrote:went with bass and dom

Literally why?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:On a side not it's pretty bad ads to be playing with Mata again.

^^^^^^^^

bass could be bluffing too. it could be wifom

MacDougall wrote:
LoRab wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a baddie silencer who didn't silence a teammate at some point in the game, usually multiple times. So point 3 doesn't hold for me.

My challenge with you is that your tone is off. It's not just that you're phoning in the game, it's that the way you state things isn't in keeping with your civ game.

Also, that you completely discount anyone that suspects you, not only as being wrong, but painting them as being bad because they suspect you.

That isn't going to keep me from suspecting you. And, honestly, only makes you look worse to me.

Also, there are evil indies in this game, so saying that you're not on either mafia team doesn't really convince me that you are civ.
For you to claim you have a solid grasp of my civ game to the point of being able to observe that anything I do is in keeping with it is absurd. And if you are producing that as case quality evidence then how is my tone in keeping with the Mafia me, whom you would have more experience playing with I believe.

I am not painting anyone who suspects me as bad. I was just dishing out some standard brand omgus so meta in essence it wore itself as a hat. But you wouldn't pick that up because despite your belief that I scum read you in every game, here we are yet again with you scum reading me. Have you ever not?

I am very capable of finding the post.

This has nothing to do with some sort of Mac v. Dom argument that you seem very intent on keeping going. It took me 7 Game Days to start to suspect you. This is not just an adversarial *Dom and Mac always disagree and suspect each other* thing. We hadn't thus far. don't dismiss me like that. It's not a good look, my friend.

In fact, one of my biggest criticisms of you is your repeated can't be YT or Nanman tune. You ignore the possibility that you've been recruited (of which there is at least one chance you have been) are the recruiter, are a nefarious independent....
So, yeah, you're bad.

MacDougall wrote:Dom I don't understand your question tbh.

You're just full of double standards and rules that don't seem to have internal logic.

When you were civ, you decided, even though you had never played with me before or only just once or twice , that you knew my game. You went hard after me. You weren't wrong in those games, BUT when I said that you didn't know my game at all-- you levied even harder attacks against me.
But when the tables have turned and now people suspect YOU, you cry out that your accusers *don't really know your game*.

OK. I'm not archetypical. That's not the point. The point is that at this point, many Syndicaters have played with you far more than once. We might not be *experts* on you, but we definitely know you better than you knew me in our first game together.

So to claim that it is suspicious for me to do something because you knew it was part of my bad game when you had never played with me before AND THEN to go on--several games later--saying the same thing I did when we HAVE played with you now SCREAMS to me as someone just repeating hollow statements in an attempt to save your own skin.

You keep repeating that you probably aren't Yellow Turban or Nanaman because tht means we shouldn't lynch you when there are several indepdendent candidates for lynching. Your actions SCREAM bad, but--hey-- maybe I just haven't played with you enough.

DFaraday wrote:Bass wants to duel again? He's really pushing his luck. I'm starting to think he's civ, because I doubt a baddie would keep putting themselves out there like this.

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:What do you mean with regards to DFaraday? What did he do that initially brought your attention to him, when did his participation drop off and why do you see this as a bad thing?
I supected him bc he misrepresented my views on bass. The second I dropped off tge radar bc school started, DF disappeared.
Disappeared? Pretty sure I've been posting at about the same rate all game.

17/28 of your posts are from Days 0-4. 11 are from 5-8.

Sloonei wrote:What do you mean with regards to DFaraday? What did he do that initially brought your attention to him, when did his participation drop off and why do you see this as a bad thing?

I supected him bc he misrepresented my views on bass. The second I dropped off tge radar bc school started, DF disappeared.

Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well with so many people not posting I find it hard to focus on anyone else if I'm being honest. I think we might need to weed out some of the nonposters . I would like to duel again if that's ok with everyone elsem
Hey before we started voting you weren't you one of them *nonposters*? :hmmm:
Yesterday you voted for Mac and Bass. Has anything changed since then? Who else would you like to look at today?
Elohcin maybe. INH. Still don't feel good about DFaraday.
I've seen conflicting opinions on DFaraday now. Someone, I think it was nutella, called him a strong town read the other day and now you're listing him as a potential suspect. I'd be interested to hear what people have to say about him.
Why has he got your attention?

I never stopped suspecting him. I don't trust him. He quieted down the second the spotlight wasn't on him anymore.

Sloonei wrote:Not to take away attention from the other two you mentioned. I already ISOd Elohcin today and came out with a slight town read on her, and I encourage others to respond to my thoughts. INH is someone I should also take a more thorough look at.

Good luck taking a look at someone who hardcore wanted to be prefect and never played again.

Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well with so many people not posting I find it hard to focus on anyone else if I'm being honest. I think we might need to weed out some of the nonposters . I would like to duel again if that's ok with everyone elsem
Hey before we started voting you weren't you one of them *nonposters*? :hmmm:
Yesterday you voted for Mac and Bass. Has anything changed since then? Who else would you like to look at today?

Elohcin maybe. INH. Still don't feel good about DFaraday.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well with so many people not posting I find it hard to focus on anyone else if I'm being honest. I think we might need to weed out some of the nonposters . I would like to duel again if that's ok with everyone elsem

Hey before we started voting you weren't you one of them *nonposters*? :hmmm:

MacDougall wrote:I am not bad. Not everyone exhibits your scum behaviour. You are not archetypal.

Why criticize someone you didn't know for it, then?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well with so many people not posting I find it hard to focus on anyone else if I'm being honest. I think we might need to weed out some of the nonposters . I would like to duel again if that's ok with everyone elsem

Hey before we started voting you weren't you one of them *nonposters*? :hmmm:

MacDougall wrote:
LoRab wrote:I don't think I've ever seen a baddie silencer who didn't silence a teammate at some point in the game, usually multiple times. So point 3 doesn't hold for me.

My challenge with you is that your tone is off. It's not just that you're phoning in the game, it's that the way you state things isn't in keeping with your civ game.

Also, that you completely discount anyone that suspects you, not only as being wrong, but painting them as being bad because they suspect you.

That isn't going to keep me from suspecting you. And, honestly, only makes you look worse to me.

Also, there are evil indies in this game, so saying that you're not on either mafia team doesn't really convince me that you are civ.
For you to claim you have a solid grasp of my civ game to the point of being able to observe that anything I do is in keeping with it is absurd. And if you are producing that as case quality evidence then how is my tone in keeping with the Mafia me, whom you would have more experience playing with I believe.

I am not painting anyone who suspects me as bad. I was just dishing out some standard brand omgus so meta in essence it wore itself as a hat. But you wouldn't pick that up because despite your belief that I scum read you in every game, here we are yet again with you scum reading me. Have you ever not?

In previous games I have made the same criticism of you: you don't know my game, but act like you do.

(I was bad and you were civ in all of those games)

you are bad.

Voted. Will catch up later. Am on page 50.

MacDougall wrote:
Dom wrote:Bass is probably bad.

I don't trust Mac.
Big talk from the guy who was chaos posting early in the game and has now settled into mundane normality like an ex project manager knocked up by her team leader and exiled to housewife duties for the next 18-30 years.

Don't tire yourself out, sweetie, you're no Domald.

You don't care who we lynch, as long as it isn't you-- ergo you're bad.

Bass is probably bad.

I don't trust Mac.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Talking in this game seems dangerous. Also if they are killing high posters and people who look like they are these civ leaders then why would they leave Quin alive ?

So which baddie are you?

MacDougall wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Yeah his vote on me that he didn't explain aside he looked competent in this game.

Fuck all you who tried to lynch me yesterday while I was incapable of speaking in my defence. Luffy did you silence me and try to get me lynched swine?
You had 4 days to make yourself look like a civ. You didn't so I don't give a shit if you didn't have an extra day.

And who sileneced you on day 2, 3 and 4, btw?
I'm sorry I didn't spend the first 4 days trying to "look like a civ".

If you really require an answer as to why I didn't post a lot it's because I work about 60 hours a week and have a 5 year old. And since when was me being quiet indicative of me being bad?
You being quiet wasn't.

You being more pacific than Glorfindel was.
What does that mean?

It means that you haven't gone after anyone with any fervor all game. That's uncharacterisitc of you.

reywaS wrote:
Scotty wrote:
reywaS wrote:
Sloonei wrote:hello reywas, have you had a chance to read anything yet? I know I was not inclined to fully catch up when I joined, and that was nearly 20 pages ago.
Not yet. I plan on trying to read through the thread today. I'm not sure I'll be able to do a full read through in one day...it's been almost a year since I played and I couldn't even fully read through 35 pages when I was in my mafia "prime". We'll see how it goes.
Don't worry, there's 44 pages, which thankfully is different than 35

Without looking at the thread any more than you have, who do you suspect? For whatever reason
Definitely Dom. That guy is always

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Wow why did I take so many votes?

Hey Bass-- are you bad?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I am not good at fitting two mafia games into my head at one time. That, coupled with my late entry here and the size of this one, has resulted in me once again feeling mostly lost. The good news for Glorfindel is that I've kinda shaken off my initial scum read on him. The bad news for everyone is that I'm back to not really having any strong reads. Rather than drown myself even more by trying to read everything, I'll go back to my usual strategy of asking people questions.

I'll start with what has been my biggest question in the game: Nutella. I've been reading her as a strong townie based off of her tone and the volume of her content, but I've admittedly not done a thorough investigation of her. I've also seen a few people express very vague suspicion of her ("I think she's lying", "She seems off", etc.). Does anyone have a more substantial case to offer against Nutella? If there's reason to suspect her, I'd like to know about it.
Join the Mac lynch. All the cool kids are in it.

Mac has been the quietest I've ever seen him. Some say the quietest ever.

WE ain't doing too bad.

nutella wrote:
Dom wrote:
nutella wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I went with Mac and Bass.
Why?
Last I checked you didn't much explain your votes either
Hollow accusation with zero meaning in it. What's the point here, nutella?
Sorry, what? I am pointing out that Mac's questioning of TH is sort of hypocritical seeing as he also didn't explain his votes, and I'd like him to do so. It is neither a "hollow accusation" nor does it have "zero meaning." I continue to feel as though you are making up bullshit reactions to perfectly reasonable posts because you have decided I'm bad and need to bend everything I say to support that.

Discounting your oppenent? Nice.

What's the point? What significance does your statement hold? Explain. This would fail a high school Egnlsish class! I would know-- I have THE BEST WORDS!

Glorfindel wrote:
Dom wrote:Really? Is it because you are, a baiddie!?

Is it all that weird? You're a baddie ! We're building a wall.
But that's the thing you see, my friend - I'm not. So what other conclusion can I logically draw from this

I don't see any conclusion you could logically conclude from that. Though, your implication is clear.

Bah ! Folks, look at him-- lying, corrupt, misleading. Say what you mean-- like me. I say exactly what I mean, and I'm very good at it. I have teh best words and folks, I am very very gooda t using them, believe me.

Don't leave it for one of your minions to pick up and create controversy about me. Make it yourself if you want to make the point.

nutella wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I went with Mac and Bass.
Why?
Last I checked you didn't much explain your votes either

Hollow accusation with zero meaning in it. What's the point here, nutella?

Really? Is it because you are, a baiddie!?

Is it all that weird? You're a baddie ! We're building a wall.

Voting DFaraday and Nutella.

Nutella
DFaraday
boomslang

glorfindel

turnip head

Turnip Head wrote:My first guess is that the sockpuppet is one of those things where they gain power when people quote them. I'm going to stay away for now

This is a weird assumption, folks. Why did your head go there immediately?

Is it because you know there is one?

nutella wrote:I am of course aware of all of those posts. None of them, however, except for that one that was already brought up, actually advocate for the lynching of low posters. He repeatedly discusses the odds of one of the teams being inactive, which I guess you could say implies that he thinks it would be a good idea to go after inactives, but only once does he say it outright, and he never really follows up on it. I guess you and I interpreted his posts differently, but to me, advocating for lynching low posters is a very different thing from stating observations about mechanics and numbers in the game.

Semantics. Sad ! You are bad !

nutella wrote:Also, lack of precedence does not mean lack of probability. There's probably a fancy logical fallacy term for that but idgaf. Just because you've never seen an inactive mafia team before doesn't mean it couldn't happen, especially considering the Yellow Turban team only consists of three players, and this game has WAY more than three inactive players. They only killed once, and it was on SVS, an inactive player -- perhaps if nobody in the team had been paying attention they wouldn't know SVS hadn't been participating and just picked her to get rid of. Idk, I just think Glorfindel's lines of thinking are not entirely unreasonable

You are not wrong in that.

However, I find the probability to be very low. Hostin' Epi does not randomize roles. He cherry picks roles-- or has int he past. I doubt he'd put all people he suspects might be no-shows as his baddie teams. And he didn't. MM and Wilgy are not no-shows.

So your ignoring the facts is troublesome. Very troublesome. We need a better leader than that.

nutella wrote:Rare for the two of us to be so at odds, though -- we so often think alike as civs. Perhaps we have drifted apart

Bad ! Manipulating with emotion. Guilt. Bad !

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:Just another observation here...

As I understand it, part of the case that brought MM undone was his inconsistency in voting for Dr Wilgy for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted to have him duel on Day 1 - is that correct? I note that another player did a similar thing in that Boomslang voted MM for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted him for the dueling ring on Day 1.

The vote for MM's prefecture was mid-poll (i.e. 39th out of 62) so it wasn't really influential and it was MM's only vote for Prefect. I'm not sure what this says but personally, I didn't vote anyone for Prefect about whom I had doubts
You weren't the first to notice it:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 59#p296459

This makes me reconsider my stance on boomslang.

Boomslang wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Boomslang wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:Just another observation here...

As I understand it, part of the case that brought MM undone was his inconsistency in voting for Dr Wilgy for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted to have him duel on Day 1 - is that correct? I note that another player did a similar thing in that Boomslang voted MM for Prefect on Day 0 and then voted him for the dueling ring on Day 1.

The vote for MM's prefecture was mid-poll (i.e. 39th out of 62) so it wasn't really influential and it was MM's only vote for Prefect. I'm not sure what this says but personally, I didn't vote anyone for Prefect about whom I had doubts
Well, if you're not sure what it says, what do you think it says? Or is this one of those baddie "let's plant a seed without actually taking sides and hope it grows into a mighty lynching tree" moves?
Why is it that you always seem to appear only when people mention you?
That is patently untrue, as even a cursory read of my post history would indicate. I just thought Glorf's post was particularly egregious.

As does him using the same phrase as nutella did when she refuted LoRab's claims.

Folks, I am a busy man and some things got in the way. I am here now to kick some @$$.

MacDougall wrote:
nutella wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
nutella wrote:Damn. Sorry Timmer and RIP Rico.

I am inclined to go after Sorsha and TH today especially considering Eloh's implication. Russ is still up there for me as well.
This feels a bit fake to me.
Why?
I dunno, just does. Is it?

Hey Dom, do you still have concerns about DFaraday?

DFaraday is the lowest of the low. Get him out!

MovingPictures07 wrote:
But go ahead though, DDL, vote for me. I want to duel anyway.

I am getting nervous here, people. People have written that those who want to duel are a bit strange in their intentions and dismissive and just not trustworthy.

Russtifinko wrote:Hey, I'm not dead! No thanks to a lot of you.

Good that we nailed a baddie yesterday, though, regardless. Glad I could help in that respect.

RIP S~V~S and JJJ.

You guys are posting a LOT....I might more or less random my votes this Day.

....so do you have a single thought or no?

Any originality? Come on folks, why do we stand for this?

Boomslang, does a careless player mean an evil player that needs to be kept on the other side of the wall?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Alright I don't have anything to add myself so I'm gonna make a proposition to you all.

Talk about the following people:

Boomslang
Bullzeye
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
Nerolunar
Quin

All those are players with 5 or more posts, which posted on day 2 or later, and yet nobody seems to be talking about them.

Yes I included myself. I fit the above criteria so it's only fair. And it feels awkward when nobody wants me dead, I don't like it. Talk about me more please.

Don't have an opinion on them? Well it's a great time to ISO them. Go.

I'll GTH them. I'll humor the haters.
Boomslang - civ
Bullzeye - civ
DDL - civ
Elohcin - bad
Nerolunar - civ
Quin - civ

Rabbit isn't playing, nutella.

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