The Syndicate

Matt F wrote:^^

Also, making that crazy long theory about Dom, JC, and Llama is probably my favorite all time post ever. Honestly surprised I wasn't lynched for that.

BigDamnHero wrote:GO TEAM LASER!!!!

A Person wrote:

juliets wrote:i am going to go ahead and vote A Person mostly by process of elimination. I hope I am right.

You're not
You guys might want to take a look at Dom after I'm lynched.

A Person wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

A Person wrote:

juliets wrote:i am going to go ahead and vote A Person mostly by process of elimination. I hope I am right.

You're not
You guys might want to take a look at Dom after I'm lynched.

Shame you bring up this only now. What else do you have to say about him?

I just feel like Dom was leading a bandwagon against me by drumming up suspicion. It seemed very purposeful but I could be wrong.

Snow Dog wrote:

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Dom wrote:So, no one thinks it's weird that the baddies killed one of the alternatives that could have been lynched today?

Why would they do that?????

She wsn't one of my alternatives.

Right, and absolutely no one found her suspicious.

I guess some did. Did you?

BigDamnHero wrote:Some if CBK's recent posts did seem kinda wish-washy, IMO, but that didn't make me want to vote for her automatically. Is it really relevant at this point though, Dom? We should really be focusing in on the vote since there can't be more than one or two bad guys left.

Snow Dog wrote:

Dom wrote:So, no one thinks it's weird that the baddies killed one of the alternatives that could have been lynched today?

Why would they do that?????

She wsn't one of my alternatives.

indiglo wrote:I'm going to go ahead and share the theory I was thinking about. My theory is that AP and LT may be the remaining teammates on the Laser team. It focuses on something SVS said as well, which is another part of the theory - that borok read as someone without BTSC. As a new player, if you had absentee teammates, that would fit in my mind, as you would be virtually without BTSC. This is after a reread of AP, so there are a few more pieces of the puzzle I'd like to put together, but that's where I'm currently at.

CBK, I am not sure where your suspicion of me comes from, but I can assure you it is unfounded. Though, being that this is a mafia game - where paranoia must rule, I can also understand it 100%.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:
Am I mistaken or has AP not voted for anyone else but himself? Is that normal?

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

A Person wrote:I'll probably vote for myself since i'm so out of the loop.,

I agree so you get my vote too.

Votes AP

this is a good place to start for tomorrow

As in A Person or Snow Dog? And why?

Snow Dog wrote:

A Person wrote:I'll probably vote for myself since i'm so out of the loop.,

I agree so you get my vote too.

Votes AP

DFaraday wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

borokkuei wrote:I can see how my choice to pick out the low posters would be worrisome, but that would be more true at the beginning of the game when there are a large amount of players. Since the game has been going on for a while and there are only 11 players remaining, it makes sense that at least 1 baddie would be in the low posters group.

Actually, it is more worrisome in the end game. At that point, everyone should have real suspicions and opinions on almost everyone. Not wanting to voice those suspicions, and thereby take suspicion yourself from those you suspect or those that trust them, is a fairly overt baddie tell.

The fact that you are saying this actually makes me feel better about you.

Agreed. It's always only a matter of time before someone decides to start randomly going after low posters, especially to save themselves. I'm certainly leaning Borok right now.

And for the record, I am actually buying CBK's defence, I think. She's reading more civ to me than Borok is, at least.

And RIP Bullz, I was wrong.

S~V~S wrote:I do not think you have BTS partners.

borokkuei wrote:I can see how my choice to pick out the low posters would be worrisome, but that would be more true at the beginning of the game when there are a large amount of players. Since the game has been going on for a while and there are only 11 players remaining, it makes sense that at least 1 baddie would be in the low posters group.

S~V~S wrote:This is all very subjective. I am not really seeing that Borok has done anything particularly bad.

I am also a tad confused about what people took away from this last lynch.

A Person wrote:serial killer, i imagine

Bullzeye wrote: Aside from voting for baddies and finding someone I thought could be an SK for good reasons but turned out to be a baddie anyway? This seems to me like you're saying players who don't catch baddies single-handedly and aren't constantly building cases must either be bad or not worth keeping alive anyway. What have YOU done to 'help the civvie cause'?

borokkuei wrote:Does anyone have opinions on AP? I definitely don't, but he doesn't post much.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote: Resigned or a Plan?

Both. I'm resigned to the fact that no civvies care about me being a civ and all the baddies are happy to bandwagon me. My plan, therefore, is to be lynched so all the civs realise they were wrong and hopefully catch the baddies who jumped onto the bandwagon.

you're defense is "no"

People have given me basically NOTHING to defend against other than one vote, which I've explained at least twice, and your whole WIFOM thing which is pretty poor tbh. What else do you want me to say?

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote: Resigned or a Plan?

Both. I'm resigned to the fact that no civvies care about me being a civ and all the baddies are happy to bandwagon me. My plan, therefore, is to be lynched so all the civs realise they were wrong and hopefully catch the baddies who jumped onto the bandwagon.

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Post 3; WHY do people keep voting for themselves??!?!

Also, when I replaced in, I recall I did some defending of you, so I don;t think it is just one vote. But sometimes that is how it happens. If I am wrong I owe you a boon; I will be very surprised if I am.

There have been a couple of suspicions bounced my way all game but it seems like the only reason I'm being lynched today is my vote for you. Dom is basically the only still-living person who has been suspicious of me for more than a week I think. At least the only one I remember. But I voted for myself because I'm not seeing any way out of this other than to be lynched and have my role revealed. You will be very surprised when it is.

Bullzeye wrote:I voted myself because there's really no point in voting for someone else when I'm going to be lynched today. I've explained my side of things and nobody cares, I'm just automatically bad because of that vote. As far as Lost goes JC, that game was at least 50% luck.

borokkuei wrote:

Dom wrote:Also, Borok, I very publically told everyone why I'd be scarce...

I'm just really dumb and unobservant k

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:
There you go.


Also, please cite YOUR sources. How have I been overdramatic?


I'm moving into my room at school today and seeing people I haven't seen in a few months. I'll be very busy from now on. I'll try and make a few appearances tonight, though.

That comment is basically all I can say, people are calling me suspicious based on one vote which I've already explained. If anyone would like to point out another reason they think I'm bad then I'll happily prove them wrong there but until then I can't really say much else in my defense.

Also this post to MP (I've deleted the quotes in it for easier reading) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about when I say some of your reactions to people are overdramatic/exaggerated. I also pointed this out a while back.

Dom wrote: Wow. You start posting again and you're right back to be suspicious. Seriously? "I'll assume all NK'd players are civvies". You're portraying a worst case scenario as THE scenario. It could be better too. Creating panic? Is that your aim, MP?

WOW
SO BASICALLY SOMEONE WHO SUSPECTS YOU IS BAD
Literally, that's your reasoning!
WHY ARE PEOPLE LISTENING TO YOU!??!!??!

borokkuei wrote:No dom? Well damn.

I have nothing else to go on really except strong sad's public dislike for bullz, possibly based on insider knowledge, so I'll go with that.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:In that case SVS you need to do some reevaluating because voting for me will not net you a laser. Anyone who votes for me votes for a civ.

Who would you advocate a lynch of then?

I think Indi could be bad. Some of your responses to suspicion against you seem very overdramatic and that makes me wonder. SVS and Snow I think are likely not to be bad just based on their vote histories. Everyone else I don't really have an opinion on.

Dom wrote:Bullz, I just find it quite interesting that you claim civvieness based on WIFOM. And when I find that claim a tad suspicious, you say my case is WIFOM.

My case is that you are using WIFOM to say you are a civvie. That is not a WIFOM case. That is me thinking that baddies civvies wouldn't build up their civvie-ness from day 0 based on a simple wifom argument. They wouldn't need to.

Show me where I'm doing this. I've not said anything along the lines of "I'm obviously a civvie because of this and that" at all and if you want to say that I am I will call you a liar until you prove it. I haven't been 'building up' anything. I haven't tried to claim civvieness based on getting and revealing day 0 info, you may have interpreted my actions that way but it's far from the truth.

Bullzeye wrote: I'm claiming civvie-ness based on the fact that I AM a civ. I revealed my info because I had info and was told we could reveal it.

Bullzeye wrote:In that case SVS you need to do some reevaluating because voting for me will not net you a laser. Anyone who votes for me votes for a civ.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote: Bullz still looks bad to me as he has since day 2...

I was dead on day 2. What exactly did my metaphorical corpse do that caught your attention so badly? You've never actually said.

Snow Dog wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote: Bullz still looks bad to me as he has since day 2...

I was dead on day 2. What exactly did my metaphorical corpse do that caught your attention so badly? You've never actually said.

Good point.
I find it hard to believe you are bad. Unless you were being very ballzy..ha...when you admitted to getting getting poll info. Dom on the other hand has made me twitch.

Bullzeye wrote:Wow, Strong Sad really wants me dead from the sound of his poems. They don't change the fact that he's wrong to call for my lynch.

borokkuei wrote:

Leamiteo wrote:

Dom wrote:

Leamiteo wrote:Where the heck is AP?

I'm all packed and set to move into my new apartment at 2pm. Thanks for bearing with me through my spotty presence here in the thread.

I still have my eye on Dom and borokkuei. Because the latter voted for the former, I don't know if I want to follow along and vote Dom. I don't trust borokkuei. I'm kind of feeling more secure about following SVS; her logic appears to be civvie to me.

votes Indi

Why would you just follow borok?

You misunderstand me. I am saying I don't feel confident putting my vote where he does because I do not trust him.

If you don't trust me (or dom, if I'm interpreting that correctly) why would you vote indi?

This is the same kind of problem I have with dom.

juliets wrote:Yes, I did vote for Timmer.

Leamiteo wrote:Where the heck is AP?

I'm all packed and set to move into my new apartment at 2pm. Thanks for bearing with me through my spotty presence here in the thread.

I still have my eye on Dom and borokkuei. Because the latter voted for the former, I don't know if I want to follow along and vote Dom. I don't trust borokkuei. I'm kind of feeling more secure about following SVS; her logic appears to be civvie to me.

votes Indi

DFaraday wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Surely anyone can see i am civ by now? I have voted for both bad teams. More than once for the Girl Team.

I do think you're civ. And I stand by that we should look at the SVS votes from last time; Bullz stands out most to me for a reread, and Indi has come across as generally civ to me.

S~V~S wrote:epwop~

Also not likely she was on Timmers team. Other than the civs, i don;t think there is any other team.

Snow Dog wrote:

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:RIP Mata!

@Juliets: My suspicion of A Person was mainly because of his play style, but various people said that's just how A Person always is. Nothing has really grabbed me about AP since then.

@SD: I'm glad someone knows what's up.

@Dom: I'm offering my thoughts on a semi-consistent basis, certainly not the blendiest person in the game. And I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm so helpful in other games, because usually I'm not.

I'm actually leaning towards looking at the people who followed my SVS vote yesterday, as they may be Timmer teammates bandwagoning to save their friend. And yes, I'm aware of the irony of focusing on the people who voted the same way as me.

In my experience with you, I tend to remember what you think of people when you're civvie and not when you're baddie.

So what does this conclude for you? He is civ? I am not quite following you here.

borokkuei wrote:

juliets wrote:I am thinking about voting Captain Bunny Killer today. I went back over her posts and most content is about lynching MP or llama both of whom were good. Her lynch votes line up the same way, llama and MP, except for the last one which could very well be an attempt to save Timmer. I may be completely wrong here and I will keep an open mind up to lynch time but that's where my thinking is right now.

That definitely beats my suspicions of Dom. I'll marinate on this for a bit.

DFaraday wrote:RIP Mata!

@Juliets: My suspicion of A Person was mainly because of his play style, but various people said that's just how A Person always is. Nothing has really grabbed me about AP since then.

@SD: I'm glad someone knows what's up.

@Dom: I'm offering my thoughts on a semi-consistent basis, certainly not the blendiest person in the game. And I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm so helpful in other games, because usually I'm not.

I'm actually leaning towards looking at the people who followed my SVS vote yesterday, as they may be Timmer teammates bandwagoning to save their friend. And yes, I'm aware of the irony of focusing on the people who voted the same way as me.

borokkuei wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Could you tell me just what that ping was? You keep referencing it, but I am not sure what it was.

I am gonna read back over the last lynch. I really did want to vote for bullz today, but want to give him a chance to say what he has to say. Indi also pinged me during the last lynch, but her come out swinging aggressive defense could go either way, but the fact that she chose to come out swinging makes me feel less certain about her.

There was someone else who got my attention, but for the life of me I can't remember who and plan to read back later.

He said he was really pinged by two players (don't remember who) and made it sound like he was really convinced about them being bad, but then voted for someone completely different and didn't give a reason for it (though it's very possibly I just didn't see it).

Off the top of my head, I think it was Lizzy he voted for-- I could be wrong, but I definitely remember her name being in the post.

Also, I'm sorry if Dom is female. It's just that I am, myself, a dom, and I am male.

S~V~S wrote:Me, lol

juliets wrote:Dom, what do you see in DF's behavior that you think lends itself to being Trog (or are you saying you think he's mafia)? I just did a re-read and nothing jumped out to me. Doesnt mean your wrong, just means you are probably seeing something I did not. If you suspect him of being Trog is it because he's not around much?

DFaraday - you had a suspicion of A Person when I read back on your thoughts. Do you still have that suspicion? If so, could you reiterate what feels wrong about him and if not could you tell us what turned you around? (This time I checked to make sure A Person was still alive!)

Snow Dog wrote:I hope you weren't Marzipan.

For what it's worth DF is civ so don't waste too much time on him.

borokkuei wrote:RIP Matahari - again, no idea if you were good or bad

I'll probably still vote Dom for the same reason yet again, unless someone says something ping-y and I read it.

Who was Matahari vocalizing against?

Matahari wrote:Yay, finally! I nominate Indy, DF, Bullzeye, and CBK, for further scrutinization. Thank you.

S~V~S wrote:A lot of people are in and out of this thread tonight, but no one is saying a thing (except Indi).

I think people may have an expectation about how I may flip, and they may or may not be right, but none of that affects how I see what happened here today.

I voted Timmer becasue i though he seemed opportunistic, and that he might be bad. His teammates hung back, hoping to see more people show up and vote. People were more likely to vote for me being as I have been being mentioned as bad on and off for days. No one is showing up to vote, then Bullz & Indi vote within 5 minutes of each other... and no one else but Timmer showed up to vote. And they did not vote for me becasue they thought I was Trogdor~ they voted for me becasue I voted for Timmer.

The implication made was that I (and the people who voted for timmer after me) were voting for him to save DP, and that it was unnerving that several people found Timmer suspish.

Well, maybe several people found him suspish becasue he was suspish. Like I said, i expect to die tonight. And when you see I had no BTS, really think about what happened today. If Timmer dies, not I, and he flips civ, I will change my sig to whatever Timmer wants for a month on all sites. Which is a another way of me saying i will eat my hat. Not a fan of hat eating, am I.

indiglo wrote:I've hosted DF once, I think, and I've played with him - I think we either had civ BTSC or baddie BTSC, but I can't remember which. He tends to be a low poster regardless of alignment ime. He did generally send in his PMs AFAIRemember. I could go back and reread his posts in this thread, and see what I think, but whenever I've played with him he's just seemed so low key, he flies under the radar regardless. I remember in our BTSC he even said that to me - his style is just to lay low.

BigDamnHero wrote:ok...I'm really not liking these run-in votes. this time it was borokkuei jumping in against Dom. He hasn't even been participating but seems confident enough to vote so quick and so early? What's possibly even worse is that not only does he refer back to a suspicion he first brought up two days ago, it was a suspicion he originally thought was about MP and had to be corrected...here (some kind of error happened and it wouldn't let me quote the post so this is the link):

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p35180
He didn't even vote Dom on that day (Day 6) because the winds were currently blowing in SVS' direction at the time. Something just doesn't sit right with me there...

Quite frankly all these absent/inattentive players are somewhat frustrating me...I'm not sure who it was who said it, but if they are civillians, they aren't really doing the rest of us any favors by staying so silent. We don't have to be as chatty as movingpictures was (that was a sort of distraction in its own right) but not saying anything or these run-and-gun votes isn't helping either. I think I've got to toss my vote to borokkuei this round.