The Syndicate

Bullzeye wrote:Oh and congratulations baddies! You owned this game. At one point I did think about saying it was funny Dom let that curse thing go and didn't hound me for it but figured I should just leave it.

S~V~S wrote:This was such a fun, happy game to watch, and, as always, Mongoose was a pleasure to work with. I am pleased I figured out the affiliations for the most part.

Llama that was a good plan re trying to draw NKs, I did it myself recently :whistle: But you never know what criteria any specific team will use.

Roxy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Congratulations, Roxy. You have ensured that I never give the slightest sympathy to anyone for real life circumstances ever again.

Don't put this on me please. I DID have rl circumstances that caused me to miss the lynch. All I asked was for no one to use my rl absence as a reason to vote me - you could have used anything else - just not my absence. I feel really bad about this and I am so sorry llama that it kept you from voting me.

I appreciated my team like I have never appreciated a team before. Due to rl I was barely able to get into chatzy but Team worked together so well. Especially Epi. He was really understanding and was great at making plots for me to follow to try and win since I did not even have time to read the thread and keep up. He is the only reason we got where we got.

Fun game Mongoose I had a good time before rl got in the way. <3

Mister Rearranger wrote:Also, I pegged Vomps and Dom as my best bets on being Civs, I'm really sorry I killed you guys 'cause I usually try avoid NKing opposing baddies if at all possible.

Elohcin wrote:
I believe it matters to all of us. If the baddie win with each other no matter what, then they can use killing llama (if he was bad) as a distancing tool. It can help us find other baddies.

sabie12 wrote:Currently I am suspicious of Eloh and Epi. I've gone through the past posts and polls and it seems as though they might be working together, but not sure. I think it is suspicious that Eloh would try to make us think Llama was bad and that he had teammates that would kill him off when that wouldn't benefit anyone. I'd like to think I've been more active lately. Trying to get the hang of this whole deal.

Elohcin wrote:Oh, and RIP llama. I really thought you were on the baddie team, sorry I was wrong, most likely. @HOST - Does the baddie team win together whether or not they are dead or not?

Mongoose wrote:

Droooooooool.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Personally, I'm going to go through the poll results and see if anything jumps out at me.

Then I'll get into posts.

Made wrote:I feel so lost. Why was boogs obviously felt samples???? I read boogs post from day 1 and he never defend keterman directly, but did attack Llama. Llama mentioned the next day that he thought that maybe boogs and keterman were teammates, but he gave no support and even later changing his mind! People (Bulls and Df) then cited Llama as the reason they thought boogs was felt samples. The way I see it, Bullz, DF, and Roxy are all suspcious for thinking boogs was obviously civvie, because he wasn't.

thellama73 wrote:
No, because I always think she's bad, and she doesn't always think I'm bad. Also I am easier to read than she is.

DFaraday wrote:Also, I want to point out that there were already plenty of lynch suspects on Day 2, in particular Llama, Elo, Boogs, and Hedge. If I were a baddie I would either try to save one of my teammates, if any were up for lynching, or else throw them under the bus with a last minute vote if I couldn't save them. What I would not do is make a very half-hearted attempt at fueling a random third party suspicion that didn't have much traction to begin with. Why would I call attention to myself like that when I could just try to blend in with the big names until I needed to cast a decisive vote?

DFaraday wrote:Since I seem to have set everyone off, I'm going to try to explain my thought process in excruciating detail, as follows:

I didn't have any strong suspicions on Day 2. I didn't feel suspicious of Llama (and still don't), and was a bit pinged by Elo, but not enough to get involved in that kerfuffle. I generally don't vote for high vote getters unless I feel strongly about them. I do, however, have a history of throwing a vote on someone who has pinged me but is otherwise not up for lynching, just to address them and try to get discussion surrounding them. That's what I did with Bullz; I never felt certain he was bad, but I thought his behavior raised my suspicion enough to bring up discussion about him, hence my nominal vote.

Since then, my view of Bullz has improved a bit (although I'm still not convinced he's a civ), as he does seem to have acquitted himself fairly well. Otherwise, I feel like Llama, Dom and Roxy are probably civvies, and have little read on the rest of the board. Since I believe that Hedge is a baddie, and Elo is currently my second highest suspicion by default, I suggested that they could possibly be teammates (which only makes sense, because we only have one bad team. I'm not sure why that part was an issue).

Were the lynch to come down to Elo and Bullz, I would vote Elo, since I don't have any other outlying suspicions I would want to throw into the ring. Were it Llama vs. Elo, I would vote Elo, again, because I do find her suspicious and don't have anyone to call out. Were it Hedge vs. Elo, I would go with Hedge because I feel more strongly about her.

In conclusion, I did what I set out to do with Bullz: I brought attention to him, and am somewhat satisfied with how he handled it. As of this point, I will be voting to actually contribute to the lynch, unless another obscure ping should arise.

DFaraday wrote:

Dom wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Above I meant to say, POSSIBLY a way of avoiding suspicion.

When I said "thus a way to avoid committing to anything", I didn't want to sound like I'm convinced that's what Bullz was doing. I meant that it raised the possibility in my mind, and that's why I put a vote on him.

DFaraday wrote:Above I meant to say, POSSIBLY a way of avoiding suspicion.

Bullzeye wrote:
But good or bad why would I do that? What would I accomplish? People would just ignore my posts. Nothing would happen. It would be pointless.

thellama73 wrote:I have to say, I'm a little puzzled at the accusations of Bullz. Do you guys think he faked being cursed? Because if he was legitimately cursed, I don't see what advantage he would gain by not being understood. If he wanted to not be understood, he could have posted far more esoteric, off-topic stuff. He made a lot of declarative statements that I personally thought were pretty clear.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: I know. DF was more after me than you but I lumped you in together because I felt you'd both unfairly criticised me without fully understanding my position. This is also why I lean more toward DF for it than you. As you say, you were against voting for me. DF wasn't. His vote was essentially because I was cursed and he didn't understand why I wasn't breaking the rules of the curse. Granted he didn't know the rules but I had tried to explain them and this apparently didn't matter much.

About my BTSC partner, it must have been Blost, then. I miss him.
Regardless, Bullz, it's just a quirk I noticed, it seemed to me you were making no effort to be understood. That is, actually quite a good point about DFaraday, something I was hoping you'd say if you were civvie, to be honest.

Fair enough. I was making effort though. In all honesty I don't even understand how it makes me bad that people couldn't understand everything I said. The whole point of being cursed is that people don't understand you.

Bullzeye wrote: I know. DF was more after me than you but I lumped you in together because I felt you'd both unfairly criticised me without fully understanding my position. This is also why I lean more toward DF for it than you. As you say, you were against voting for me. DF wasn't. His vote was essentially because I was cursed and he didn't understand why I wasn't breaking the rules of the curse. Granted he didn't know the rules but I had tried to explain them and this apparently didn't matter much.

Bullzeye wrote: Hardly seems fair when dealing with a curse you don't like how the rules of? Hardly seems fair when dealing with a curse you don't even I can't know the rules of? Hardly seems fair when dealing with a curse you don't like how I'm defend properly. Why me? Because you don't like how I'm dealing with a curse you don't even I can't even I can't like how I'm defend properly. Why me? Because you don't know the rules of? Hardly seems fair when dealing with a curse you don't like how the rules of? Hardly se

Roxy wrote:The thing that gives me paws about llama is that I don't think he has actually been very helpful at finding baddies yet. in the back of my mind there is a voice screaming "He is an Indy!". but in thread I am just not sure. I am hoping he will step up his baddie hunting.

Bullzeye wrote:Ugh, finally. I think it's really annoying and off that both DF and Dom jumped all over me for apparently 'not trying to be clear' or whatever when they didn't even understand the rules of the curse. As I'd already indicated, I couldn't just post single words. I had to post at least 3 complete sentences per post. I took that to mean actual sentences not truncated in any way. I don't see why I was worthy of a vote all because they didn't like the way I was dealing with it. I may consider a NO U for DF tomorrow actually.

thellama73 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:Let's do it this way, Bullzeye. If permitted, in your next message only refer to who you're suspicious of (unless someone has cracked the code of this curse, i'm not seeing the pattern yet.

I found Bullz's response to this rather dumbfounding to be honest. Rather than do what was instructed, he constructed a response that made it more confusing to read.

I think we've all seen this randomizer (the veterans, that is). If you one word, it become abundantly clear what you're saying. The fewer words-- the better. However, when tasked with communicating feelings, Bullzeye responds in very confounding ways. I am not sure it makes him bad, but it does make me question his motives.

It is possible that the condition of his insanification requires him to post more than a certain number of distinct words?

Made wrote:Let's do it this way, Bullzeye. If permitted, in your next message only refer to who you're suspicious of (unless someone has cracked the code of this curse, i'm not seeing the pattern yet.

thellama73 wrote:RIP Bea!

So, I have an interesting question. If I supposedly "painted a target on Boogs' back" and Boogs wasn't killed, does that make him more likely to be bad? Or was Rob just correct in that the baddies have little reason to go for a role they believe to be harmless?

I must think on this.

Boogs wrote:Llama if you are Civ, you would want to keep all Civs alive. Not try to accuse players of Civ roles and let them die because you feel your role is more important or whatever the case may be. I don't understand how you think I'm keterman's partner, but okay. But by you trying to make it look like I am and saying it's okay for me to die isn't cool. I just think you're acting like you're caring less who dies because you're bad and know that you it won't be you, or you are Indy and want us to die for your personal agenda to win. You are NOT playing a Civ friendly game which is why I'm wanting to vote you out. It's been Day 0 and rolling now. People defending you and not seeing this or thinking you are Civ it making me MORE worried they're acting Civ themselves to make sure their Baddie Llama teammate stays out of discussion for votes. So I highly doubt you're dying tonight because your teammates wouldn't do that to a member of their group. I also want to point out Keterman's role said secrets, so I hope this doesn't have anything to do with him or his teammate being recruited and you just threw that out in the open and gained the baddies another partner. I'm just saying.

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:
It's early to be throwing out that kind of thing isn't it? Missing a day zero vote isn't exactly a sign of being a baddie.

Bullz, did you think Llama was civvie when you said this?

Just wondering.

I wasn't saying Llama was bad in that quote was I? I was just saying he was coming off a bit too keen.

thellama73 wrote:

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting for Keterman too. Last one to check in and an opportunistic vote for me piggybacking on Boogs. Especially when I am obviously civ.

Does Keterman checking in late make him bad or his opportunistic vote? I don't see his checking in late as bad. His vote-- yes.

Neither of those things "make" him bad. The role he was assigned is the only thing that can make him good or bad. I famously like to vote for people who miss votes and don't participate, because it makes the game more fun, so that is one. Two is his vote for me, and three is the fact that I had a better chance to save myself by voting for him, since he already had a vote. Four is a hunch.

Boogs wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Boogs wrote:Rip Keterman :/ I think it's lame he got killed when he didn't even do anything. And Llama you aren't making me feel any better about you trying to accuse me of a role and say you don't care if I die since I suspect you instead of trying to change my opinion on your behavior.

Of course I care if you die. But if someone has to die, I would rather it be someone who's trying to kill me, all things being equal.

I'm hoping you covering your tracks repeatedly and getting away with these obscure type of comments catches other eyes.

Bullzeye wrote:
It's early to be throwing out that kind of thing isn't it? Missing a day zero vote isn't exactly a sign of being a baddie.

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting for Keterman too. Last one to check in and an opportunistic vote for me piggybacking on Boogs. Especially when I am obviously civ.

Made wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:I just know he pities the fool who thinks Schoolhouse Rock does a better job correcting grammar.

Ok, on topic: Is anyone else hoping we get to do some sort of virtual arts and crafts with the options we picked in the poll? Or at least that we'll get to use them throughout the game?

My guess is that anyone who didn't pick felt will be MK