The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:I don't think I've ever posted 300+ times in a game before. I would imagine this game broke quite a few posting records.

I definitely have never posted anything close to this much before. Lol. I would definitely agree with you.

That said, I seem to recall the game with the most posts I ever played was Recruitment Mafia 1 hosted by LC and BR. I'm pretty sure that game got to around 10,000 total posts. I don't know how many times I posted in it though.

That was definitely was the biggest/longest game I've played in. I remember quite a few high post counts in LP Mafia as well.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Well, I figured out who the master was waaaaay before anyone else did. At least I have that.

keys56000000000 wrote:Splints' Bitch. Yeah, that's about right.


To borrow a footbaling term, Hedgeowl is my man-of-the-match. I think she could have rode that performance to a mexican standoff and come out on top. There was literally nothing to quote with which to make a case on. I remember looking at her posts, dumbfounded, thinking she was a genius. Some Walter White shit right there, Hedgeowl, a very well done.

Also Dom was fantastic. He was our hide-in-plain-sight star this game.

I would like to think I would've gotten away with it, too if it wasn't for those meddling recruiters...

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yeah, that's probably true. Dom as The Master would have been the hardest element to get rid of, I believe, since he was so off of everyone's suspicion for so long.

If Hedge had died earlier, there would have been less knowledge to spread too. I should have really killed Hedge N5. I considered it, but changed my mind.

zeek wrote:Thank you You can ask anyone on my team, I felt so awful!

I believe you.

zeek wrote:I'm sorry for the circumstances around your lynching, Dom. You really did play an outstanding game and we should have just recruited you! I don't even jnow why I said "I KNOW" because Snowy and DF's votes were all we needed. I've learnt my lesson for sure.

Sorry TH for your second lynching! But you insanified me so... I'm pretty surprised nobody connected it to me because I'd only just been rezzed.

I really enjoyed the game but after all the role hints it was quite easy to win once I was recruited. Pretty sure the only roles we didn't have info on or had figured out was Turnip Head 1.0 and Blooper's.

I accept your apology.

<3

had you guys not redirected the kill from me... we might have had a bit of a different endgame

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:My biggest mistake was not NK-ing Chris on Night 7.


Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

I would have been happy with a civvie win. To me, this other finish does hurt more.

I honestly and truely had a ton of fun this game. I don't think I went overboard at any point this game (if you disagree, please do tell me) in terms of role-hinting, or integrity. In hindsight, I don't know if I had played differently if it would have changed anything.

You were the best Lucy I could have asked for.


Thank you for not hating me despite my absences.



Thank you to the hosts! I loved the game.

My biggest mistake was not NK-ing Chris on Night 7.


Yes, I was the Master.

I will say that I am COMPLETELY frustrated with the way I lost. I didn't lose because of anything I did or did not do. I lost because several players were outed and outed themselves. It came to the point where if you were suspected, you dropped role hints until everyone got what role you were.
That's not how we play Mafia.

Good game, everyone. I had fun.

Knew it.
Good game, guys.

DFaraday wrote:I move that the hosts create a special banner for Dom after the game, because he honestly did nothing wrong this game.

And I hope you're right about us getting close to a win, MP, but we've still got a few more kills to get through before that.

Snow Dog wrote:Yes Dom. You played well. I have to know about that Azure vote after the game.

I did not lie.
My reasoning what so.

Chris wrote:Are we sure all these chickens are going to hatch? Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves...

yeah they gotta lynch you so they can kill the last recruit!

Chris wrote:Really Dom?

Way to stay classy man.

It truly was fun to watch you squirm, Chris.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was going to wait until after the end of the game to comment similarly, but seriously, Dom. Hats off to you. I don't know how you avoided serious suspicion for so long, and you really only got nailed by process of elimination.

I'll be glad to have your role gone, but your playing this game was outstanding.

And on that note, I think we're getting close to a civvie win. Just need to get rid of the Cybers after this, I think.

Thank you MP, we can talk more in the post game. But I truly tried my best this game.

I think you are right about that, tbh

MM also wasn't recruited by the recruiter. So, yeah Chris, you were wrong all along.

I would really agree with this. You played a great game and I am sorry to see you go.

Looking forward to all the endgame discussion. This is such an amazing game!

Thank you, Hedge. <3

It was a lot of fun to watch you act as if your ideas were facts when they were wrong all along though!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was going to wait until after the end of the game to comment similarly, but seriously, Dom. Hats off to you. I don't know how you avoided serious suspicion for so long, and you really only got nailed by process of elimination.

I'll be glad to have your role gone, but your playing this game was outstanding.

And on that note, I think we're getting close to a civvie win. Just need to get rid of the Cybers after this, I think.

Thank you MP, we can talk more in the post game. But I truly tried my best this game.

I think you are right about that, tbh

MM also wasn't recruited by the recruiter. So, yeah Chris, you were wrong all along.

juliets wrote:

Dom wrote:

Dom, you have played a brilliant game.

Thank you It really means a lot.

S~V~S wrote:I have been quiet for the same reasons a lot of people have been quiet.

And I am not recruited.

I DID feel bad about this vote, but if you are going to try to be that way as you are going down, then :P

*Votes Dom*

What your civvie supermajority of the thread doesn't make you feel empowered?

I also think SVS has been recruited.

She is FAR too quiet, has not enough opinions, and hasn't really questioned me (she usually mentions me as her blindspot way earlier). In fact, I don't really remember interacting with her all game. That's strange.

Very strange.

Also-- expect days to be this quiet when I'm gone too.

You've dug yourself a nice hole here. Hope you like it!

I shouldn't say that. It's mean. I apologize.

I however, do not apologize for the way some players choose to 'play' this game makes me feel.



Chris is right, though. It's pretty idiotic to take me out completely before eliminating the Cybers.
If you actually think I'm the Master.

I don't care. Just lynch me.

You honestly all deserve to lose.

I don't know why I bother

zeek wrote:Nice story, I love a good bit of fiction.

That's how I feel about you.

keys56000000000 wrote:Dom: Any idea why Zeek thinks you're The Master?

Not a clue.
I don't know who many people are, I just know who has claimed good and bad and it seems widely accepted. Obviously a few who have outed themselves (:rolleyes:) I know, but for the most part, I'm in the dark.

Just so everyone knows, lynching me again WOULD result in my death.

Le sigh.

I'M NOT EVEN THE MASTER

Long Con wrote:On the contrary, Dom, I thought that this lynch in particular was an invigorating and interesting one, very much what I consider to be good Mafia. I wanted to congratulate everyone on keeping this game very interesting, even if Dom ends up being the White Jacob secret role and it's a big mistake.

One thing, though... Dom's lynch survival is suspicious because there's nothing in the (unclaimed) Civvie roles that explain it. There is also nothing I can see in the Civvie roles that would explain Zeek's 100% knowledge that Dom is The Master. So... that's sort of suspicious for the same reason?

I completely disagree with you. We can talk endgame about how I think people have played quite.... unsportsmanlike games.

Long Con wrote:

Chris wrote:LC, what if zeek knew who Dom was because he's "the recruiter"?

He tried and failed to recruit Dom. I find that to be an idea worth thinking about.

Let me know if I'm mistaken, but did we clear Zeek of being a Dalek (all dead) or a Cyberman (they killed him)? So, The Recruiter would be a fine possibility for him. Can you imagine if we rezzed The Recruiter?! Wow. Who was responsible for that rez?

Also, LC, do you like the idea of the "Jacob" vs "MIB" theory with 2 of the secret roles?

Nope... I don't think that's how it is. I see it as The Recruiter and The Neutral LMS With Some Power We Don't Know. Or Evil instead of Neutral, but they ain't killing, so .

MP and Hedgeowl were responsible for his rez, I believe.

Long Con wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:I can't help but note how both Dom and Zeek have expressed how much we would regret lynching them, after LC warned everyone not to let a Strax lynch happen..

At least Dom isn't Strax, right? So that's good. And how would Strax *know* that Dom is The Master. Strax never tried to kill Dom.

Dom and Zeek, are either of you planning on claiming a Prize as the reason for you being a Civvie with powers no Civvie has?

I have said it before and I'll say it again-- I cannot way why I survived.
Though, that'll be my only survival.

Zeek-- I refuse to respond to you simply because I think I would be the single most hypocritical mod in the world if I did so.

I am so saddened that THIS is how we play Mafia now.


People playing horribly is causing people to come to faulty conclusions. Love it.

Chris wrote:

Dom wrote:Welp, I'm gonna be honest with you all-- it's gonna look a lot like me being the Master-- and this is why I didn't want to be lynched.

But, alas, I am not.

There's nothing to suggest any civ can survive a lynch.

How are you going to explain surviving?

There are absolutely ways civs can survive a lynch.

But I'm not allowed to talk about why I will survive this lynch. There is more to this game than meets the eye.

Welp, I'm gonna be honest with you all-- it's gonna look a lot like me being the Master-- and this is why I didn't want to be lynched.

But, alas, I am not.

MP, LC, your help would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you, keys.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.

Well... most, if not all players attempt to substantiate their claims in this game, why won't you? It's pushing me away from voting Dom because it makes you seem bad. Like, you don't have a real reason to say these things, but instead are being manipulative like an evil dude. You could be The Master. The Master isn't a rolechecker or on a team with a rolechecker, that was your original lie detector statement, right?

I have no problem with seeming bad. I always seem bad. I could make a career out of it.

How do you substantiate your claims against LMS?

I'm just goin by a spreadsheet, Chief.

Well, your spreadsheet is wrong.

Chris wrote:Dom, I was saying that you've been saying that.

AKA, I've been defending the shit outta you for the last 2 or 3 hours...

I hope I don't get burned for this...

I know and I appreciate it.

Chris wrote:

zeek wrote:I have already checked, Dom's only posts about the two of them address very little. He gave no reasoning for thinking they're both bad, but choosing Epignosis.

inb4 Dom has a massive coronary screaming that he was in NY for the entire weekend

Pot, meet kettle.

Long Con wrote:Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

Exactly.

Can you please, help me? Tie the vote, LC. I am not the Master!

zeek wrote:No, you're allowed RL. Of course you've just confirmed it was your only opportunity to vote and save MM.

No I fucking didn't
You aren't fun to talk to. You are being impossible and rude. You have been this way with me all game, and I refuse to participate in it.

juliets wrote:I agree that there are some compelling cases out there but zeek's case and his zealousness plus my own gut feel are leading me to vote for Dom. Another smaller thing that I caught in Dom's posting while defending himself was the notion that if he were the master he would have helped fill in the master's secrets during the decoding since he would have known the secrets. I know his argument is wifom thus my comment is too but I would think it would be just the opposite. If you help make the secret whole it seems to me you would be more suspicious, if anything. I just found that POV odd. Anyway, I think this is the right vote so I'm voting now and like keys said keeping my fingers crossed -

*vote Dom

*also chris I see how you could be right and dom be a cyber but I'm banking on him being the master or the recruiter.

I acknowledged your criticism of this before you posted it. I'm sorry you feel that way...




Zeek I voted early because I was in NYC and wanted to spend time with my best friend... like what do you want me to do ? Be attached to the computer?

zeek wrote:Yeah, you have discussed people but remotely strong opinions? No. You're trying to coast through. My argument is not based on this, however, and when you're lynched everyone will know I was right.

You're delusional.
I have had very strong opinions, I think anyone can attest to that.

I refuse to be lied about.

zeek wrote:You're misrepresenting me, Dom.

You could be either, as we don't know who recruited MM. You have brought nothing to the table since MM's rezz. You're in stealth mode. Those lynches are telling.

Oh, I understand you better.


And are you remotely serious about me bringing nothing to the table?
I have discussed DFaraday, Chris, Bass, and others. You have brought some points that I can see your interpretation of them, but you are wrong about-- however, this is a blatant lie.

zeek wrote:MP, vote Dom plz. I'm right on this one, I can feel it.

Dom wrote:What even is your argument about the Roxy lynch?

Both of them were recruited. MM could have been recruited by the Master, but the fact you voted against lynching both of them means you could be the recruiter. I think you are the Master, however.

So I'm the recruiter master?

What even is your argument about the Roxy lynch?

I cannot believe how dense you're being.

zeek wrote:

Dom wrote:I will say that you will hate the result of my lynch. I am not the Master. I am not a Cyber. I am not recruited. You will not like my lynch.

I get enough guilt trips at home, accept your fate, Master.

You know, when people talked to you like this, you told them that they suck or you were annoyed with them.

Just something to keep in mind.

I'll check in tomorrow. I must get back to work and sleep.



However, on the subject of role hinting--

I really hate it. I really, really hate it. I just really hate it. Always have. Always will. There has been an absurd amount of role hinting and outing in this game and, to be honest, for those who either don't get it immediately or do not feel comfortable (and for baddies who can't really role hint) it kind of ruins the game. I don't care if this is construed to be a baddie whining (It's not, but I discussed this with my team in a previous game... the last LOST game on RM), but it's honestly not fun to me. It completely demoralizes a large group of players and it really isn't fun. In that LOST game, my team only lost because some players were essentially forcing people to role hint and out themselves and if they didn't, they were lynched.
How fun is that?
Not very.
So, no, I will not role hint. I will not do that. I will not do what I am completely against.

I will say that you will hate the result of my lynch. I am not the Master. I am not a Cyber. I am not recruited. You will not like my lynch.

no me

Alright....?

zeek wrote:Okay Dom, whatever you say. I've got you, you're bad.

what the hell am i even supposed to say to this?

like what the actual fuck

zeek wrote:Dom, enough of this, you are the Master.

You're the only unaccounted for vote in my book. You're not even arguing that Metalmarsh was recruited by the recruiter. Why? Because you know he wasn't, because you recruited him.

Why would I argue about something I know literally nothing about?
I criticized several players for assuming information about this exact situation.

zeek wrote:Okay guys, you're unconvinced he's the Master? What about the recruiter?

I still think there's something to him trying to stop me decoding the Master's secrets, but look at the Epi 1.0 lynch again.

Roxy and Metalmarsh voting the same way. A big question mark over Dom.

I think he's the Master, but there's a chance he's the recruiter even if I am wrong.

You are.
I believe we are at an impasse.