The Syndicate

I clock several potential Sorry and Sad people. daisy is wahn of them, but I fin' there is Robin Hood reason ter vote for made, blooper, prolly boom Matheson Lang as 'eaven and 'ell. daisy is just wahn case aahhht of several, there is nah need ter thra in the bloomin' Peter Powell.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sigh.

I suppose I'm switching my vote. If Daisy really wants to go, that's fine. If that's what it takes to prove that I'm right about her too, then so be it. I agree with her that there's at least one super active player that's messing with everyone else. I just don't know who it is.

Wot abaht a vote for made? Or blooper??? Why thra in the bloomin' Peter Powell?

Epignosis wrote:Who should possess this mighty wand?

Dom
5
Made (6), Mongoose (7), insertnamehere (9), Dom (25), zeek (26)
19%

MovingPictures07
10
[b[Spacedaisy 5[/b]), Turnip Head (8), MovingPictures07 (11), S~V~S (12), juliets (16), Boomslang (17), timmer (18), nijuukyugou (19), reywaS (20), Russtifinko (24)
38%

(The Host, the Non, the Dead)
4
Epignosis (1), Black Rock (2), Metalmarsh89 (3), A Person (4)
15%

Made wrote: I read over everything carefully, but I feel like i need to read it over again. I think vote analysis of Bass and DF would be the best use of our time for now, as anything Dom is Wifom city.

Made wrote: If this is the case against snow, this is totally bs. Way too speculative for a Day 7 lynch. Beside, what kind of role is "if someone votes for you, they die", and who's secret would that even fit into? Gollum? At this point, I'm tempted to vote DH just because he's the alternative, so i'm going to do that while I look for a better case...

linki: Snowy ++

zeek wrote: Can't speak for anyone else but...

Missing Dom vs Bass, not voting Snow Dog, defending Snow Dog, posting while at the same time saying absolute nothing, the fact he's still alive. I find all these things suspect.

Made wrote:
It's interesting how the Dom vs Bass poll is being used, as if it's existance makes everyone guilty. Here me out, there is something to learn from the case, but I've heard voting for Dom makes you a Suit, voting for Bass makes you a sorcerer, and not voting evidently makes you equally as nasty.

Again I want to stress this poll shouldn't be ignored, but maybe looked into further in context. So what were the reasons for each vote and were they strong. Does missing intentionally stand up to reason?

Double so for the idea that only a suit would vote Dom and vice versa. Going to read up on snowy and see what I can catch.

Made seems loike 'e is on dom and sna dog's team?

Long Con wrote:There has been evidence to say he's a Suit, but even without that evidence, I find his behaviour to be baddielike. His 'case' about me having a double-standard, etc, and his ludicrous claim about his Day One actions. It's... just... so... OBVIOUS!!!!!

Alwigh' then.

timmer wrote:
Long Con wrote:Well, finally caught up.

timmer wrote:Long con, ya 'ave said dharma 'elper is Sorry and Sad aw game. 'a Bobby of this 're ya? Are ya George?
Blimey! I 'ave rarely been mawer sure van I am wiv DH. Nuff said, yeah?

Do ya fin' dharma 'elper is on a particular Sorry and Sad team, or do ya just fin' 'e is Sorry and Sad in general?

Plus if I explain, it would prolly be outin' a player's role which would not be Harry Kewell.

But their responses ter wot I said will speak volumes ter me 'unch, I aint Bobby which way is which.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
timmer wrote:I do not wanna Scapa Fla into details. but I 'ave just put together a certain 'unch. I will not be votin' for either long con or dharma 'elper at any point in the chuffin' near future. I do not fin' either of them is on a Sorry and Sad team, and the bloomin' Sorry and Sad teams 're the people I need brahn bread.

Intrigued to how you came to this conclusion.

Explainin' while at Kathy Burke will be difficult. I will try chicken pen at Pope in Rome mashed potato.

I do not wanna Scapa Fla into details. but I 'ave just put together a certain 'unch. I will not be votin' for either long con or dharma 'elper at any point in the chuffin' near future. I do not fin' either of them is on a Sorry and Sad team, and the bloomin' Sorry and Sad teams 're the people I need brahn bread.

I 'ave a feelin' abaht dharma 'elper and long con. but I do not kna which end is which. I must fin' longer.

@MP, Donald duck yeah!

Long Con wrote:Well, finally caught up.

timmer wrote:Long con, ya 'ave said dharma 'elper is Sorry and Sad aw game. 'a Bobby of this 're ya? Are ya George?
Blimey! I 'ave rarely been mawer sure van I am wiv DH. Nuff said, yeah?

Do ya fin' dharma 'elper is on a particular Sorry and Sad team, or do ya just fin' 'e is Sorry and Sad in general?

DharmaHelper wrote: Honestly, I don't think he is confident about anything regarding me. I think he's frustrated that nobody has taken his bait thusfar and now he's resorting to projecting this confidence to get a civvie lynched.

Do ya 'ave any idea why long con 'as been so obseesed wif ya aw game?

Elohcin wrote:
timmer wrote:
Elohcin wrote:well..I have to say that I actually understand a lot of what timmer is saying. I think its the best insanifier I've seen yet. I just want to know what he is actually saying when it translates "sorry and sad." Hilarious!
Sna Cherry Hogg, dom, dfaraday and Beggar Boys Face 're Sorry and Sad!!!
I think I got it all except "Beggar"

Elohcin wrote:well..I have to say that I actually understand a lot of what timmer is saying. I think its the best insanifier I've seen yet. I just want to know what he is actually saying when it translates "sorry and sad." Hilarious!

Sna Cherry Hogg, dom, dfaraday and Beggar Boys Face 're Sorry and Sad!!!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry man, the insanification is just too weird for me.

'a abaht that?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I seriously cannot understand what timmer has been saying at all.

Basically, the more it seems loike teammates voted for each ovver, the less we can trust the lynches ter find more Sorry and Sad guys.

Russtifinko wrote:
I'm kind of with timmer on this one (I think). Since basically the whole case on Snowy was that he was related to DH, doesn't him flipping bad look really bad for DH?? Please explain how it makes DH look any better to you at all.

It is an idea, but it may not be a Robin Hood wahn. dharma 'elper 'as made a pretty Robin Hood defense. And the bloomin' case on boom Matheson Lang aint Sorry and Sad at aw.

S~V~S wrote:I have always thought that if you are going to use a set of facts to bolster your case, you need to use the whole set. If the whole set does not fit your thesis, you need to disregard them ALL.

Looking at some votes but not others is kinda sketchy, Timmer. Or you could know something, or believe you know something, and are trying pretty desperately to build a case in a hard environment. But I think some of the stuff you said about Bea earlier in the game was kinda sketchy, so not so sure about you having info. And if I don't think you have info, I can only view this as sketchy, tbh.

I aint tryin' ter only use sum info. And there is nah info leadin' me posts. But tryin' ter put everythin' together chicken pen I 'ave ter Rabbit and Pork loike this sucks cobbler's awls. So I am pointin' lil' things aahhht that I fin' 're worf noticin'.

I adam 'n eve ya 're Robin Hood.

I strongly adam 'n eve that wahn of daisy or dharma 'elper 're Sorry and Sad, but I cannot be Bobby of which. i'm quite torn abaht it.

And dharma 'elper, I apologize if it seems loike I 'ave flipped Hammer and Tack and forf on ya aw game, I am tryin' me Mae West.

Spacedaisy wrote: I am however, fully behind lynching someone inactive at some point. I am looking at Sabie personally.

Garn after la posters at this stage is wot Sorry and Sad guys do.

DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Mongoose, that's a thought, but it doesn't make sense at all if there are 2 Suits alive IMO.

DH, why are you ruling out the possibility that juliets threw her teammate(s) under the bus? I'm not saying I think that's the case, but it's certainly a possibility, and it lines up with what we've seen from baddies so far.

I DO NOT think Daisy is bad. Now I'm not sure, but she's one of the people I still feel best about.

I honestly am tempted to vote a relatively low participant today since it's clear to me that one of them is a Suit, unless we can get a good idea of who Boddy might be.
You think she threw her teammates under the bus twice? One of those times being the second person to vote for DF?

Not likely.

Juliets would not thra a China Plate under the bus Bo-le Of Glue times?

I fin' the bleedin' people under scrutiny for the bloomin' lynch 're the bloody ones suggestin' we lynch a la poster.

Long con, ya 'ave said dharma 'elper is Sorry and Sad aw game. 'a Bobby of this 're ya? Are ya George?

Dharma 'elper, wot was your opinion of The bloomin' Cilla Black roxy?

The only fin' I 'ave noticed is that not wahn of the knock at the Dorothy Lamour knahn baddies voted for dharma 'elper on day wahn.

If Current Ban of the bloomin' knock at the chuffin' Dorothy Lamour baddies voted for dharma 'elper, there is prolly a Robin Hood chance that 'e is Sorry and Sad.

I am at an impasse. I am nah longer Bobby 'oo ter vote for. I 'ave many theories, but Current Ban 're mother's pearly gate.

I'll be Hammer and Tack mashed potato. This is Daffy Dahn Dilly.

The bleedin' knights 'elped me aahhht. Orange Peel very Bobby long con is Robin Hood na.

'oly tom Brad Pitt.

Made wrote:
It's interesting how the Dom vs Bass poll is being used, as if it's existance makes everyone guilty. Here me out, there is something to learn from the case, but I've heard voting for Dom makes you a Suit, voting for Bass makes you a sorcerer, and not voting evidently makes you equally as nasty.

Again I want to stress this poll shouldn't be ignored, but maybe looked into further in context. So what were the reasons for each vote and were they strong. Does missing intentionally stand up to reason?

Double so for the idea that only a suit would vote Dom and vice versa. Going to read up on snowy and see what I can catch.

One lynch poll can't be used exclusively to find baddies. We've seen now that Bass voted for his own teammate in one poll while Snowy voted for a teammate in another. Its the accumulation of a voting pattern that is key, not any one vote.

I go back to Day 1 now and am forced to revisit whether Snowy was indeed saving DH after all. I've gone back and forth on this.

I think I understand what bea and eloh are saying, though I'm not sure, but if I'm right about it, I'm not sure why they are being so cavalier about talking about it like this.

Right now, I trust zeek based on gameplay. I trust MP - in the sense that I know what he has to do in this game and thus I know how his actions affect me and the rest of us. I trust S~V~S based on a logical assumption. I trust Long Con based on a hunch. I think I trust Bea and Elohcin, though that's another hunch.

I do not trust Daisy. Or Nijuu. I don't really trust DH because of side factors, i.e. what others think of him. I don't trust any of the silent players and cannot stand that they have give-up playing (and don't believe that a game mechanic would simply have wiped out so many players' ability to play).

Everyone else is in a gray area.

That's where I'm at.

You know, I actually had Snowy down as a probable suit, not a sorcerer lol. So snowy took a chance and voted his own teammate in the Dom/Bass lynch. I've got to revisit some ideas before tomorrow!

@DH, I'm pretty sure you don't think I was Snowys teammate, so I'll just say sorry for panicking you.

juliets wrote:So Timmer I don't guess you can tell us anything about how you were saved, or at least what you think happened?

Not really, no. The details would only help the baddies.

And BIH Snowy, I'll bet you shit your pants with glee when I shifted my vote, eh? Lol

Long Con wrote:Weird.

I thought if one of them had a teammate still holding onto their vote, it might make them jump. It was worth a shot, LOL.

And LC, in answer to your question: I didn't, and then I think I did.

DharmaHelper wrote:
timmer wrote:Im pretty hungover, going back to bed. Im liking how this lynch is going though. Snowy is acting like cornered baddie for sure.

LOL, I switched it back. I wanted to see if anybody would panic, even if it was a bit of a cheap move. This should be an interesting lynch.

I've moved my vote to DH. That ties the vote up. I'm curious to see what happens in the last 30 minutes, now. Going for supper. Will have more to say later.

juliets wrote:I agree with bea and whoever said it earlier, Snowy's posts lately are reminding me of his posts in Who where he was bad. That and his voting record (he did the same thing in Who there as well) are the two things that persuade me to vote for him today. And I'll do it now since I see timmer likes the votes to come in as soon as the decision is made.

It does, thanks! Baddies who wait until the last minute can place their vote in a way that makes it seem like they aren't on the team they are on. I prefer that people make a stand earlier on.

And I'm not personally letting Snowy's posts detract me. I've seen frustrated divs AND frustrated baddies alike throw that kind of thing. It happens whenever you are taking heat for reasons that you do not think are worthy, but it misses three things: 1) you read the game from a specific POV and others have a different way of looking at it 2) sometimes blind luck on the part of others can get you lynched and 3) you don't know everything that is out there.

All in all, frustration does NOT equal civ, Not necessarily.

Bea, why hold your vote, though? If you know you will be around later to vote, why not pick your vote target now and place your name up there? Otherwise it may seem like you are holding back for other reasons?

Bea, what is your opinion of Snowy?

Im pretty hungover, going back to bed. Im liking how this lynch is going though. Snowy is acting like cornered baddie for sure.

Guys, I spent all of late last night cramming, studying voting records and trying to find links. Those of you who have had the misfortune of sharing civ BTSC with me will have experienced my mania firsthand. (Juliets bore the brunt of this when I was the narrator, for instance).

But, I also only have ten minutes before I'm heading out the door to friends' for the rest of the weekend, so I've got to be super brief.

First, I'm not voting DH today. I'e studied various lynches and while I think there is still a chance that DH is a suit, the evidence is great for me that snowy is bad but not AS great as to who his teammate is. It could be DH. It could also be Daisy. It's unclear. But Snowy's vote for DH today didn't help his cause, in my eyes. And Roxy's death, ugh, I don't like it. I am comfortable saying I think Snowy is bad, but not yet comfortable about teammates. Not strong enough.

But, I'll point out one other person who came to light last night.

nijuu.

Day 1 lynch: DH was at 6 votes. MM at 4. LC at 2. Nijuu voted LC, avoiding the two main lynches. Not too big a deal, right?

Day 2 lynch: Made was at 5 votes. llama 4. nijuu bypassed them and voted Eloh, avoiding the main two lynches. Not a huge deal still maybe?

Day 3 lynch: DF is at 7 votes, Boomslang 3, DH 2. nijuu votes LC, bypassing all three main lynches. now I'm seeing a pattern.

Day 4 lynch: dom vs bass.

Posts a wishy-washy single post the whole day:

"About this poll...I haven't had strong feelings about either contender, as many others have expressed, as well. I haven't really played with Bass much to differentiate his games. Dom to me seems pretty...Dom. Not much out of the ordinary. I definitely thought it was weird of him to say that Bass was Civ in light of this poll, but I suppose I can understand it? Maybe? I wouldn't do it in his situation. And it puts the voter in a conundrum - if you trust Dom, and Dom says Bass is good, then who do you vote for? That being said, I don't necessarily trust either of them. My gut says vote Bass. Sorry, absentee."

Votes bass. Both bass and Dom were at 5 votes at the time.

Skip Day 5 as it's a wash.

Day 6, nijuu is interesting. He seems like he is one of panickers moving votes around, but he isn't. He used his same thoughts on LC from Day 1 to vote him. What's most noticeable? At the time he voted Long Con, the main vote getters were Russ, and I think DH/Snowy? Basically about three people had votes and LC had only 1. So once again, nijuu went out of his WAY to avoid being attache to any lynch train. What happened afterwards was that others followed him.

So I still believe Snowy is bad news and will leave my vote on him. But I believe nijuu has worked pretty hard to avoid being looked at by staying away from attention all game. I'd like others to look at him, please, to see what yu think. Now I've got to run.

Again, let's not lynch DH right now, or at least not for anything I'VE previously said, I'm pulling back a bit on it. And Snowy's vote for him just reinforces that snowy is bad for sure, for me.

Nice try, noobs. So, yeah. Voting Snowy. Will be by later on to chat more.

Ugh. I'm tuning out for the day, I'm still tired after yesterday.

But I found a good case yesterday on Snowy, a case I liked better than the various thoughts on Long Con, Daisy, Bea, take your pick. Snowy was the case I liked and I planned to stick to it.

And frankly, the thread then went apeshit. Everyone ran around like chickens with their heads cut off. OMG maybe Russ? OMG maybe Long Con?

Even though I've found reason to eye Long Con in this game, and have previously suggested he could be bad (and still could be), there was NO WAY I was going to abandon my case against Snowy that I had built up, to jump on a ridiculous last-second push that was clearly being pushed by YOU, Tyler Durden, and was being driven by a bunch of people who hadn't even been paying attention in the game. It was an AWFUL series of events, and I still can't believe what happened yesterday.

And now you want to call me bad for NOT jumping onto the crazy train yesterday? For sticking with my own case, LOL?

That's awesome. Like I said, keep on trollin'.

I'm not even going to bother replying to that, MP. Troll away.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, timmer, you should reconsider your narrow-minded approach to DH and Snowy.

Didn't Rox say she was sick earlier? So how would her vote for Snowy on D6 have anything to do with that?

Are you suggesting that Roxy died of a poisoning or something?

When asked about her death comment, she replied:

"elaborate that I am sick? Ok. I have the flu and been running a high fever there was talk of the hospital but I promised my doc I would take a couple of days off which I have. "

I think Roxy was just sick, and that her vote for Snowy very well may have had something to do with her death. Call me narrow-minded if you want, but everyone knows what you're up to, my man. Snowy is bad fucking news.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
timmer wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:How could I possibly be on the baddies' side? I don't know who they are. Even if my Narrator was bad, that still would only be one bad role that I would know.

But you know very well that as the members of a badie team start to get lynched, that the voting records, thread comments and everything start to build up and it becomes increasingly easier with each baddie teammate's death to find the rest of them. Thus, if DH were a suit, for instance, you would have no problem indirectly moving a lynch away from snowy, if you thought snowy was his teammate, as protecting snowy would mean protecting DH. Right?
Hypothetically, sure. I would never know for sure, but you're right that I could make educated guesses.

Unfortunately for that theory, I picked a civilian.

Do you deny that DH is that least a recruit? You were adamant that you would not vote him today.

MovingPictures07 wrote:How could I possibly be on the baddies' side? I don't know who they are. Even if my Narrator was bad, that still would only be one bad role that I would know.

But you know very well that as the members of a badie team start to get lynched, that the voting records, thread comments and everything start to build up and it becomes increasingly easier with each baddie teammate's death to find the rest of them. Thus, if DH were a suit, for instance, you would have no problem indirectly moving a lynch away from snowy, if you thought snowy was his teammate, as protecting snowy would mean protecting DH. Right?

zeek wrote:
timmer wrote:I think voting for MP would probably be a dumb decision for anyone, all things considered. I'll vote for Snowy.
Whose only voter died mysteriously? Cool... go for it..?

I've never heard of a role power, if that's even what that was and not some other b.s., that worked in a night poll. But now that you say this... yeah, maybe it's safer to pick someone else, anyway. Just to be safe. LOL.

I think voting for MP would probably be a dumb decision for anyone, all things considered. I'll vote for Snowy.

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