The Syndicate

Oy vey.

I don't blame Dom for being pissed. At all. An indirect outing is still an outing.

This day is a bit of a disaster.

Gotta deal with kiddies, more later.

@MP Re: DH

I'll put your case against DH a step below that of SVS. My problem is, yesterday was a fucked up day. Only two lynch choices. Personally, I see that as being weird enough to disrupt a person's play tone/style a bit. So yes, I see some inconsistencies in DH's posts that you've highlighted, but in regards to choosing who to vote for, it's murky for me. Two people on the poll and one is absent = some people may change their opinions.

DH is on my radar (he always is) but I'm not seeing enough, due to the weird nature of the lynch yesterday.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I always hate being silenced, but never before have I wanted to talk that badly. I think. :P

I'll bet!

I'll comment on your post in chunks, and without quoting because it'd be too long.

Re: SVS

You might be on to something here. A lot of her posts read just like mine and others regarding the suckiness of yesterday's lynch, but she emphasized it over and over again. And yes, many of her posts have conditional language... worried about him... unsure about them... Not sure about blah blah...

None of the posts on their own are damning, but there IS an accumulation of a certain kind of language there. I'll continue on, but you make good points.

Interesting. I would assume that if the doctor declines btsc with someone that that person would not even be told about it, otherwise it would out the doc. So really, this will come down to luck on our part to pick the doc, and the doc will have to decide if they feel that their voters are civvies. I went with SVS, FWIW.

It sounds like someone gets btsc with the doctor top me, not that we find out who they are.

Sweet!

juliets wrote: Tyler wins by having more recruits than non-recruits in the game.

And she previously said this on Night 2.

juliets wrote:Then when you made you comment about Mongoose really lying it furthered my bad feeling I forgot I also wanted to ask Elo what she finds suspicious about zeek? I was thinking about voting SVS or TH but then I noticed SVS only had one vote and TH none. I think my vote would be wasted if I voted for them.

The bolded part is a repeat of something juliets said yesterday. Is this all snippets of yesterday's posts? I don't have time to check but it seems maybe?

Russtifinko wrote:Lol @ juliets' post.

As far as I can see, nothin had changed. I'm on a bus and will be going thru some pretty rural areas, so voting now but hopefully I'll be around.

For me it comes down to this: Dom has been hunting baddies super hard all game. Bass hasn't. I figure Dom is potentially of more value if he is civ, so I'm voting Bass. Also I REALLY hate toes.

And timmer, on the last page you said you were voting Dom because he had posted more and would give more info. Are you seriously suggesting we lynch a very active player because he's active? I mean, I get the train of thought, but...that's messed up, man. I'm not into the idea of intentionally lynching actives just because, and I hope others aren't either.

This whole lynch is messed up, tbh. And I have no pings on either player, if this were a normal day I'd have never voted for either one. So if I cannot decide who is civ or who is bad between the two, I'll take Dom, yes. Because at least IF he flips bad, there is way more content to pick over and find teammates with. If Bass flips bad, there is so little of his content that I feel like we wouldn't glean anything from it. It's horrid logic, but this is a horrid lynch, so what can we do?

Unless you think Bass being quiet is a sign of his baddieness? Is he normally quiet when bad/active when good? Something like that would make me change my vote, tbh.

I've got one more minute. My reasoning is, you never trust an Indy. They could play a pro civ game but then change their minds halfway through etc.

Revealing who Tyler is helps the baddies as much as it helps the civvies, LC.

I've got little time.

Lynching either player sucks. But it is what it is.

Bass could be abaddie conveniently using his absence today. Or he could be an absent civ.

Dom is present and posting a lot but could also go either way.

I hate this lynch, but I will vote Dom. With so many more posts, if Dom flips bad we will garner more information. For me, it's sadly as simple as that.

I got called into work top do a double. I swear I will catch up on my Lunch break sorry guys.

I'll be catching up later tonight. This lynch sucks.

Spacedaisy wrote:I didn't get targeted by anyone with anything so I am no help at all unfortunately

How would you know this, exactly? Like yes, if Mr. Boddy blackmails people somehow I can understand knowing that that didn't happen, but how do you know you weren't targeted by anyone?

The green of Long Con's post is making my eyes bleed but I will say this:

"I also am wary of DH, but I've never been able to read him." = EXACTLY the kind of thing a baddie says about a teammate. I'm not saying Long Con is right and DH is bad just yet, or anything, I've got to read back and ponder today's weird lynch... but Long Con has called out a good post of DF's there.

Oh wow, that's a messed up lynch poll.

Snow Dog wrote:

timmer wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:So is it universal that TH is civ?

I think you know the answer to your question.

I really don't. But as everyone seems to want to give him the helmet I guess I can do that too.

My point was that of course we don't all know TH is civ. It seems likely TH isn't on DF's baddie team, though, so that makes the odds of civvies ness relatively high. I mean, you must understand this.

As for people reluctant to vote TH due to the later vote, you can feel free to vote for me as an alternate, if you feel I'm worthy.

Snow Dog wrote:So is it universal that TH is civ?

I think you know the answer to your question.

I'll vote for TH to get the helmet, I think it's a fine choice.

that's what I assumed from the writeup, but I suppose it could be something else?

So... anyone want the Cerebro helmet? It might be cool? I'll volunteer if no one else wants it, but I'm happy to vote for whoever.

Mongoose has four vowels, actually.

Woo-hoo!!

Turnip Head wrote:17 out of 27 voted. Lame

Presumably 2 people are silenced and cannot vote so 17/25, but thats still pretty bad.

Who is firefox?

Turnip Head wrote:I'm not sure why I'm getting all the credit for the DF case, Roxy said basically the same things as I did a few pages earlier. It was her and MP that made me look at DF in the first place. Maybe my case was just better organized

This reminds me of something I meant to say earlier. I had noticed a few people mentioning that they thought Roxy was being defensive and pingy. I personally haven't seen that, but if anyone sees something glaring, please link me to it? Thanks.

One hour to go, and there are only 8 votes. Are that many people just busy, or is it that one of our lynch targets is bad and their teamies aren't sure how to proceed?

I'm going to switch my vote to DF. Neither case (against him or Boom) is vey strong, and I'm willing to wait to vote LC tomorrow, but DF's posts, as pointed out by TH, are indeed a bit contradictory in the early game, and I think that slightly outweighs Boomslang's.

Either way, I'm not horribly confident about either one, but I like them better than a DH lynch at this time.

Linki with Juliets: same thoughts here.

But right now, I'm off to get the kiddies. I'll leave a vote on Boomslang for now since my older one's got a dentist appt but I should be back before deadline.

Turnip Head wrote:But timmer, someone will be silenced every day... Will you say that every person who gets silenced is likely to be bad?

Linki: lol I'm right here ya goof

LOL, yeah here y'are.

I won't say that every time, no, but let's face it, silencing a teamie to save them a day is pretty common. There ARE other ways to look at it. Maybe DH is bad and his team took out of his main attackers. Maybe DH is good but the baddies felt by silencing LC they could make DH look bad. There ARE lots of ways to spin it. I can only judge from the pov of who I think looks bad to start with.

My main problem is, though, that is LC and sable aren't around, I need someone to vote for today. I see the points on boomslang but there isn't a lot there. I won't vote for DH. I need to read DF.

Oh, now I see TH is here. Catchup imminently complete.

Snow Dog wrote:

S~V~S wrote:So we are back to this? Two people several hours apart using the same not uncommon (in the USA) phrase must have BTSC? I don't have BTSC with Rey, nor do I have it with anyone else.

Maybe Rey thinks I am brilliant and awesome (not an unlikely supposition) and wants to emulate me in all things Or maybe it was a coincidence.

I'm not back to this. I never stopped thinking about it. Maybe your maybe is correct or maybe it was a coincidence. Or maybe not. But it is evidence.

I'm just going to weigh in on this Federal Case fiasco.

If SVS and rey had posted that phrase 1 minute apart, I would think it was maybe a sign of btsc. But it was quite far apart, wasn't it? Like, hours? I don't see evidence at that point. I see people wasting time discussing side issues instead of discussing who to lynch today.

Snow Dog, who is your #1 lynch target today?

Hmm, so SVS says she thinks TH is silenced. That's three people not posting (long con, sable, th) , only two silencers.

Hmm, so I checked the roles. Two silencers. Both on a baddie team. How much you want to bet that LC and possibly sable are on opposite baddie teams and they were both silenced to avoid then getting voted today, ESPECIALLY Long Con.

Because let's look at this.

You are a baddie team. You have a silencer.

You want to silence someone to help your team survive another day unscathed. There are two ways to do this. ONE, if one of your team is in a bit of heat, silence them because you know that most players are reluctant to vote for someone who cannot defend themselves. TWO, if no one on your team is in trouble, choose someone to silence who has been playing a very pro-civ game and whose words you want to shut down. Also THREE, never silence anyone not on your team if they may be up for lynch because that is your goal, to get a person not on your team lynched.

No matter how I look at it, if both silencers are bad, Long Con being silenced is actually good evidence that he is indeed likely bad.

zeek wrote:
sabie12 - I saw you were online last night but did not post (possibly didn't even come onto the thread), got anything to say?

This is problematic for me. Sable very quickly agreed with the idea of voting non-show-er-uppers, but has said NOTHING of substance since then. It's one thing to not be tuned it at all and to poke your head in now and then to say sorry, and a complete OTHER thing to be absent, barely post, but to jump in at the start of Day 1 and say "yeah, this is a good idea, let's look at these people".

If sable was indeed reading the thread, then she's a bigger ping for me.

But, how many silencers ARE there? Could sable and LC both be silenced? This is getting frustrating.

Dom wrote: TL;DR of Why I Suspect Boom
1) Boom singled out people who did not vote in the D0 post as possible lynch candidates. I asked why they might be bad. He said because more people voted than did not vote, there are more civvies in the people that voted. This tells us literally nothing and is not an actual reason. It doesn't make much sense. I pointed this out to him and I was pretty much ignored. That rose my suspicion.
2) Boom then said he was suspicious of INH for not posting. INH had not yet posted. INH could have been silenced. I asked him who he suspected and this is how he responded. That perked my brow big time. The only person he cared to lynch wasn't around to defend himself.
3) None of the questions I posed in this post were answered.

I will admit that I was shocked by how many people followed me on d1.

Scratch that, I found this. I HAD noticed that boomslang had happily agreed with llama about voting non-posters, and said so EARLY in Day 1. That is, indeed, a ping.

S~V~S wrote:I think they are both better players than that, actually. As a planned strategy of avoidance, I dunno. And speaking of quiet, where is TH? He has not posted since before the night post. Could he be silenced? He was quiet-ish Day One. Then he was more vocal yesterday.

I would like to revisit the Day One lynch. So many people were so sure of Boomslang & DH. Then I butted in with my MM paranoia. I take the responsibility for the MM lynch. But what about everyones feelings about DH & Boom? Who was saving who? Anyone? No one?

My read of DH and his attackers on Day 1 was that DH was pushing some buttons, and some people chose to read that as a baddie action. I'm always at least a tiny bit pinged when someone with a big mafia persona gets looks on a Day 1. To me, DH was being DH, which, especially on a Day 1, indicates NOTHING of his alignment. So there were a few people, space daisy I think was one, who voted him and it surprised me. I didn't really digest the case against boomslang and don't have time go back and find it, so if someone can reiterate it for me that'd be great.

S~V~S wrote:
Computer Lab, STLGirl hosted. I was bad with Kate, DP and I don't recall the third. Tranq was on the other bad team. I don't know that MP played that one. Kate was recruited, she won and I was not and did not. The recruit team was the Botnet.

Sorry, I'm posting as I read through individually now, but this made me LOL. This was the game where first I blatantly outed one person... canuckle maybe? and then I outed "Hey Man" by posting this video:

God, I really didn't understand the rules back then.

Re: Dom and your suspicions of me, I totally get it. Made seemed like the best spot for my vote, but I didn't want to post out of turn and give people points, AND I didn't end up ever having time to catch up enough to post anything worth saying, anyway. The case against Made was easy to follow with simple quick skimming, and so I voted him. I'm catching up now while I've got a rare day of peace (although I've got to go pick up the kids form school in less than an hour).

Made wrote: Well that throws a giant monkey wrench in what I was thinking... are you allowed to say more?

Also, here was my thought before you said that (and the reason I voted dom on the wand poll...kinda confused on why people followed me on that but, w/e)
I think Dom is Indy, specifically Hatter. My guess is that there's a caveat in the hatter's role saying that if he forces someone to vote, he must also vote that way. I guess this could translate further and say that now has to do w/e action zeek has to?

This idea would be supported by the idea that Dom's Case on Boomslang was a weak one, something i haven't had time to look into yet.
Thoughts? I'm not sure how this theory would be affected by what Zeek must do.

Dinner, back either tomorrow or late tonight.

So, both Made and Zeek have been allowed to say that the Hatter is making them do things. This clears up Made a bit, or at least brings him back to neutral. I'm not sure I agree that Dom is the Hatter, though? Like, if your idea was the truth, why would he pick a scenario where he would be exposed so obviously? Unless you think Boomslang was, at the end of Day 1, seeming like he'd be the most likely lynch target on Day 2? That'd be an interesting backfire on Dom's part.

One thing, though, is that I doubt Epig would create the role in such a way that it would be so open to exposure with a bit of bad luck. But it's an interesting line of reasoning, anyway, even if I don't agree.

If LC is silenced, I will postpone my vote for him until tomorrow, then, especially when my "case" amounts to a bunch of hunches about his usual m.o.

Of course, if he isn't silenced, he "will" be now, lol.

Time to get some housework done, but I'll return for the final leg of Catchup 2015 soon.

So I went back thru Day 1 again to see if any of the people who mentioned that the votes could be changed had said so before voting, which tripped someone up in a past game iirc, but alas, no one did.

I just through Day 2. It was mostly the Made show, and with a full read, I'd have still voted that way, it was the best lead available.

That said, I'm still getting pinged by LC.

He's smart, he know how to ask the proper questions.

So when he says this:

Long Con wrote:

I should note that I only asked in relation to Mr Boddy, so it wouldn't cover any secret weird stuff from another role. I think the answer would be the same.

I get pinged. A civ LC would be worried that a civ Made was getting framed. He would, imo, not only ask in relation to Mr. Boddy but also in terms of any other roles. "I think the answer would be the same"?? No. He would ask and come back with the answer. A baddie LC would post the above, though. He basically started the "ask the host, you'll see he's lying" trend, and didn't try to expand his question to provide Made with the possible out.

Well, I've got an entire afternoon alone at home, so since I haven't been replaced I'm going to try to catch the fuck up and form some thoughts.

I just read the entirety of Day 1.

My notes:

DH certainly could be bad, but I didn't see it from his posts here. He was just DH being DH imo, which helped propel the day into some good conversation.

LC definitely did jump a bit opportunistically into voting early for rey. That's a small ping for me, as I don't remember LC being the vote early type. The rest of the day he seemed pretty defensive... BUT, when you get locked into a war of words with DH, that tends to happen. Anyone would look like they were defensive when the arguments never stop. So my small ping remains, but it's small.

Sable, who I do not know as a player, made only one post the whole day, right near the beginning, and it was to agree with the llama's idea of voting for a non-participant. Boomslang also kind of echoed that three minutes from sable's post. I find this a bit pingy, as the idea, EARLY on Day 1, of voting for a Day 0 non-participant isn't exactly standard mafia stuff. If Day 1 progresses along and it's getting late and someone doesn't have a ping, then sure you vote a non-participant if that floats your boat. And sure, the llama coming out right away with the idea doesn't fit that, but it also started conversation. what pings me is two people AGREEING with the idea at the very start of day 1, so sable and boomslang join DH on my ping list.

I'd have voted LC day 1, but MM's "you don't want to lynch me" post may have made me change my vote. That's not good chat right there.

One last question about votes... at what point did it become common knowledge that votes could be changed? Did we all know this before Day 1? Because I noticed some people mention that you could on Day 1, and sometimes that can be a sign that a baddie had already voted, noticed they could revote, and told their teammates. But if Epig told us this earlier, that is moot.

Onto Night 1/Day 2.

I just wrote a long post explaining why I haven't been participating in the game, and the internet ate it. I think that's a sign to be more brief. My life's been crap since Jan 2nd when this game started and it hasn't gotten better since. I've asked to be replaced but I'm trying to find time to participate until a replacement is found. I apologize.

Changed my vote to socky.

oh ignore me there it is.