The Syndicate

I'm out of here for today. This day has pissed me off. I have no idea why some baddies redirected something to Zeek, I can't know what their thinking is, but I know game evidence. I know, from voting patterns, and cases made against others, who is good in this game.

Anyone voting for me or Zeek is ignoring the game evidence, and that is ALL anyone should have needed about this. the rest of this did not, imo, need to pulled out into the open.

Peace.

S~V~S wrote:What are you talking about? I tried to give my gift to someone else but it was stolen.

And I don't know. Stop blaming me though. I am working with what I have. I can change to Blooper, that bit about the hatter results was off. But there is too much vouching going on.

Well tbh, you kind of pulled this vouching out. But anyway, i Don't want to get too heated or in your face about all of this, I have too much respite for you to get bitchy.

Here's the deal, since it's not out there.

what your portion did, regardless of who you MEANT to give it to, has benefited the divs in various ways, some of which I will not divulge.

But look at the Snowy lynch. It shows my vote as last but remember, I docked around with it at the last second. I was the FIRST vote on Snowy, and Zeek was the SECONd vote on Snowy. We are not Sorcerers.

Look at the Made lynch. I'm the first voter there as well.

You should a) trust ME.
b) trust that I'm telling you that I know what your gift to Zeek did, but that I will not divulge more details.
c) trust that I have reason, outside of this, to believe Zeek to be good. There were game vents which led me o believe this.

I'm asking you to do what *I* always do. Use the game evidence to trust who is good and who is bad. Our votes should SHOW you unequivocally, that neither me or Zeek are bad.

And sometimes people think it is better to keep things concealed and NOT wink at others.

SVS, Christ you are ruining your own gift to the game! You have no idea how awesome what you did is, but look at the game play since then. Who pushed the Snowy lynch more than anyone else in the game? ME FOR FUCKS SAKE. Read my posts about him. If you think zeek and i are a sorcerer duo why the hell did i do that to snowy? Jesus.

Svs it is because i don't like being infodroppy. But I fully vouch for Zeek more than anyone else in the game.

I've been telling you all day that Zeek is civ but I dont like how in this game everyone has been all info droppy about it. Well, that's how it is gOing so I may as well join in. I fully vouch for Zeek for reasons I will not share but that are concrete and it is apparently thanks top you, svs!

If you know his alignment did not change why are you voting him?

I am positive Zeek is civ. I won't say more.

SVS, your clarification clears a few things up for me. All I will say is that in light of YOUR posts, I think voting for Zeek is a big mistake. I would ask you to change your vote.

S~V~S wrote:Well, to the Person Who Got My Potion Who I am Increasingly Beginning to Think is a Sorcerer, I think I need to reread your posts, check over your voting record.

I'll strongly consider your views on today's lynch, SVS. this is an interesting day.

Sorry, that was to your earlier post.

S~V~S wrote:He did answer it now and I am not allowed to say. But I am allowed to vote.

Now if this person does not give me a sign, I am going to assume he could be a Sorcerer, and is sending messages out, trying to frame the innocent. I don't like that shit

i just read the entire sign-up thread and have no idea what you are talking about. But it's okay, it's on the back burner for now. I can accept that there is likely something there that I am just not seeing, as no baddie team has 3 members left, thus you Bea and eLoh are clearly not all in cahoots.

S~V~S wrote:
And I asked the host, he did not pick up the PM yet.

Oh, I misunderstood, I thought when you said this ^ that you meant that the person you sent whatever it was to hadn't picked up their pm yet. I see now you mean Epig hasn't responded.

Bea/Eloh, you've previously said that you were each other were civs not just on Day 0, but even before, during signups. I'm going to need you to elaborate on this somehow. I don't see how this makes sense if it's not how I thought it could in my earlier posts. And the two of you voted together both times to possibly help a sorcerer out of a lynch. I need to better understand what you are saying, or else this all starts to seem fishy, and today is making me very paranoid about a lot of things.

SVS, so the thing you sent out Night 6 has never been read by that player, according to Epig? Thus whatever you sent out that night has not possibly happened because the PM has not been read?

Does Rogue pick a player, or a role to steal from? If she picks a player, she essentially acts as a role checker, right?

S~V~S wrote:
Linki @Timmer~ I asked Timmer why he trusted zeek, and he did not say. Timmer, why do you trust zeek?

And I asked the host, he did not pick up the PM yet.

I did say, by answering MP. I trust Zeek because we think alike about who is bad, and so far our combined efforts seem to have yielded good results. I feel good about him because of that. Beyond that, I don't really see what else I should say?

S~V~S wrote: This message give me concern. I am not sure if i am allowed to say who it went to.

I feel like thiz whole question may be important, to a lot of people.

So the Hatter is thus telling us that Elohcin, (scrap-of-a-name, which makes sense as Bea if Eloh is on this list), SVS and Mongoose are bad?

I don't see why we would trust him, but it's interesting.

Oh, herp a derp.

Who is Nichole?

mycoses = my cases

Was that link towards me? I have very good vibes from Zeek, that's all. I think we several potential baddies to pick from, all better lynch choices than him!

scrap of a name... Bea? Because it's a short name?

@MP, Zeek has been locking into the same cases I have, and our work in the thread has complemented each other's. i feel like I've been able to grow some of mycoses off of his earlier suspicions, and I see that he has agreed with me often as well. And since those lynches have yielded dead baddies, I think voting him makes no sense.

I think a vote against Zeek would be a waste, tbh, Zeek is reading extremely civ to me.

I am willing to dive into a Blooper lynch today and will vote accordingly.

I'm not sure who to vote for today, tbh. I've got to go out and do some things, I'll be back before deadline to figure it out.

So , Long Con... 'sup, buddy?

Da hell, lol? I'm very curious to see where this leads.

juliets wrote:You don't get civvie vibes from me? What does that mean? Something I said, something I did?

I don't, no. I also don't have a baddie vibe for you. You are a giant question mark for me right now! I will be reading through your posts later this day period.

And if anyone can make a case for one of those people who missed the vote being a sorcerer, please shout it out, as well!

DharmaHelper wrote:On the Sorcerer angle, lets take a look at the Bass voters and see if anything pops out:

I like looking at them side-by-side for a timeline comparison, personally!

Bass_the_Clever
9
Elohcin (3), Dom (4), Boomslang (10), zeek (11), bea (12), nijuukyugou (14), Russtifinko (16), juliets (17), Roxy (19)
47%

Dom
7
Long Con (5), Spacedaisy (6), DharmaHelper (8), timmer (9), Turnip Head (13), S~V~S (15), Snow Dog (18)
37%

So, when Snowy voted for Dom (his teammate) it was 8-6 Bass. I've previously showed that Snowy voted with just under 5 minutes to go in the poll, so I believe they took a calculated gamble.

Who hadn't yet voted in the poll? Hedgeowl, Lizzy, Lorab, Mongoose, Made, MP, reywaS, sabie12, Roxy.

We know hedge was an indy. We know Made was a suit. We know MP is Tyler. So that leaves Lizzy, Lorab, reywaS, sabie12 (none of whom seem to be playing?) and Mongoose (who was on vacation). Only Roxy was left who was likely to vote, and she had expressed suspicion at Bass already and was pretty clearly going to vote there.

My point being that if the Sorcerers were paying attention to who was left to vote, they would have known VERY WELL why Snowy voting his own teammate was a safe thing to do.

So where are the missing Sorcerers, then? It's possible one is in the in actives. But I think at least one, if not two, are in the Bass voters.

Boomslang (10), nijuukyugou (14), juliets (17)

These are the three voters I do not get civvies vibes from who could be sorcerers based on this analysis. i will be focusing on them for today. But for now, breakfast!

Spacedaisy wrote:I trust boom and LC.

Sorry if you've touched on this previously, I'll try to find it, but why do you trust Boom?

S~V~S wrote:

zeek wrote:timmer - I'd like your thoughts on bea and Elo, who you trust, who you don't.

Earlier in the game, Timmer had a few thoughts on Bea I was not really agreeing with. So i would be interested in hearing this, too.

Okay, so I've picked this apart to the nth fucking degree, and here is my thoughts about Bea and Elohcin.

They are flat out stating that they have known they are each civ since before Day 0. Since sign-ups, apparently. There are only two ways I can see that would match this. Obviously, if they were baddie teammates and were going some kind of gambit. And second, and this is the one they are clearly suggesting, if they were The Doctor and "his companion". The Doctor's role doesn't explicitly state that he gets to pick a civ to have BTSC with, but if that's not what they are suggesting, I don't know what else it could be. So, I'll flat out say it. they are basically hinting constantly that they are the Doctor and companion. As an aside, I'm not sure why they are being this blatant about it, or when it became cool to hint so obviously that it is essentially a self-outing which is against the rules, but that's more for post-game talk than anything.

So the question becomes... could this be a gambit? Could they be bad, and are playing some kind of ploy?

I attacked it based on the idea "what if they are lying?" and at first, I thought I found something, LOL. Bea and Elohcin have only voted together twice all game (in lynch polls). BOTH times it was during a lynch where a sorcerer was either getting lynched, or threatened to be lynched. They both voted Bass instead of Dom. And they both voted DH instead of Snowy. So, you think, OMG what if they are playing us for fools and came up with a clever way to tell the truth about being baddie teammates, sorcerers, to fool face of boe?!?!?

But it's not the truth.

Because Bea first made explicit "I trust Elohcin" comments on Night 2. Which was right BEFORE the sorcerers made their first kill in the game (INH). So the ONLY way I could see Bea and Elohcin being bad at ALL is if INH was actually the Doctor, they killed him, learned from their baddie role that knows the ID of those they kill that he WAS the doctor, and assumed that identity. But they couldn't, because they hadn't killed him yet.

In summary, while I don't feel good about how flippant they are being with the rules... I believe Bea and Elohcin to be who they are strongly hinting they are.

Spacedaisy wrote:One that he obviously is not now that someone else seems to have hinted. Also, I didn't think he was hinting I thought his questions indicated a mind set that I believed made him look like he was face of Boe. Why do you ask me this?

I'm tying to match this to some of your own posts recently, tbh. While you haven't hinted towards any one role, you've sort of had a "you'll regret it" tone recently, which makes me think of certain civ roles, and so I was wondering if you were suggesting certain things. Just wanted to see how that matched to your thoughts on Russ.

I'm a bit torn today. I felt certain about Snowy. I was reasonably sure about Made. But I've got you and Nijuu on my list, and need to look back to Boomslang for today. I need to narrow three to one, but haven't found the answer just yet.

Daisy, I have a question for you. During the lynch where votes shifted to Russ briefly, and then to Snowy, you had said that you thought Russ had hinted about a certain role, and it made you hesitate to vote him. What role did you think he was hinting at, out of curiosity?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sigh. If you guys think Daisy is bad, by all means, but I just can't believe there is anyone still in this thread actually suspecting her, let alone multiple people.

And I already addressed why that argument makes little sense, S~V~S. At the time of that kill, Mr. Boddy and his teammate were both alive. Mr. Boddy has showed signs of being active all game, even up until not long before that, so it makes ZERO sense for both teammates to drop the kill. The only explanation that actually makes sense is an inactive Suit.

If there were only two members left, Mr. Boddy and an inactive player, I'm sure that Made, as Boddy, would have submitted a kill on his own. He'd done all of the other kills anyway. So my guess is that the other member is NOT inactive, but rather that they are trying to make it seem like they are.

Since the idea of DH/SVS being bad is still floating out there, I just did a complete reread of SVS. I really do not see how she could be bad.

The ONLY way she could be bad is if when Epig designed the Voldemort role, specifically the horcruxes, he messed with them. As in, Epig would have had to give Voldemort an entirely different set of Horcruxes then those of the books, and one of those would have to be a Lily Potter horcrux, which would be a bastard mod thing to do, because it directly conflicts with Snape's actual story.

I do agree that in her actual posts, SVS certainly has suspected more suits than sorcerers, but I feel like that is just how it happened for her, and so unless someone can come up with a decent case and present it, I'm frankly putting this issue to bed.

I have separate feelings about DH, but again, I don't plan on voting him. If he isn't civ, I think at worst he is indy and thus not my problem in terms of winning the game.

Also... @Epig, if a baddie team is completely wiped out, you would announce it, right?

err, atone=someone

Can atone help clarify about exactly the Wizzrobe does?

the role says this: His target (given in the Day) can only target one of four people, as chosen by the Wizzrobe. Wizzrobe cannot be blocked.

So, in the day, the Wizzrobe picks, let's say S~V~S, and assigns her four players - let's say DH, LC, Zeek and me. That night, if SVS has a night power, she can only target one of those four players? Is that the deal?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think this means that the last Suit is inactive. We'll find out when they fail to kill again though, I'd imagine. Since Made hasn't been around, but clearly was active earlier, that also explains why Mr. Boddy has failed to blackmail recently.

The fact that there was NO MENTION of their target during N7 and that Made was the "relatively active" Suit pretty much convinces me that I was right about that completely inactive Suit being the 4th one.

You may be right (and thank God I can kiss that Cockney b.s. goodbye now, lol). I'll catch back up tomorrow morning!

DharmaHelper wrote:Personal Foul, on the Defense! Talking to Dead Players

15 yards, automatic first down.

Also, the bloomin' cobbler's awls were deflated, so that's anovver penalty.

Long Con wrote:Does the Cockney translator turn "trouble" into "Barney", like in Ocean's Eleven?

Barney Rubble!

It is a Pin' Pong assumption, and wahn I agree wif, but it is Beechams Pill only an assumption.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Boomslang, who are the players you suspect right now?

Based on my thoughts about the innocence of Spacedaisy, DH and SVS have attracted my attention due to their cases earlier in the day. I also noticed a bit of agreement/coordinated discussion between these two, possibly propelled by BTSC. I'm not too hyped about the Made push; I'm not reading anything crazily baddie.

SVS is literally confirmed civ.

'ow's tha?

^THIS geeza

DharmaHelper wrote:
Not to sound harsh, but the Dom/Bass lynch was really close. It was not at all a one-sided affair.

his geeza knows wot 'e is talkin' abaht.

Elohcin wrote: but the fact that LC trusts him so much makes me want to try to trust him too.

For wot it is worf, I loike me case against made better. I put the case against ya equal ter the wahn against blooper. bof a step daahhhn wot I clock against made.

I can clock why people 're votin' ya, and I would not House To Let against ya bein' Sorry and Sad. but I won't be votin' ya today, I loike me Jack Jones stuff better.

MovingPictures07 wrote:especially since Snowy clearly didn't try to save his teammate.

Snow Dog wrote:Or will i vote Dom?

= 7:16

Epignosis wrote:Who clawed FZ.?

Poll ended at Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:21 pm

Maybe 'e gambled.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

timmer wrote:But ter be crystal, I am okay wif a daisy lynch, it is true.

I fin' the case against ya is equal ter that of made or blooper. i'm willin' ter vote any of the carpet.

But ter be crystal, I am okay wif a daisy lynch, it is true.

I fin' the case against ya is equal ter that of made or blooper. i'm willin' ter vote any of the carpet.