The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:MP... I am claire for goodness sakes. Claire is not bad.
This pretty much says it all.

Upgrading Elo to strong mafia read.
Explain how this says it all. What does it say and how does it say it?

It's a non-defense.

Alright, here. Sorry folks. Going to catch up now.

I'm sorry all, I'm totally overwhelmed right now. I underestimated how busy my schedule was going to get, and I also thought I would die in at least one of these games that I'm in by now. I have this game, GY!BE, and a game over on HCRealms (even though it's not that posty), so my head is spinning. I'm focusing on GY!BE right now; I'll be in here in a bit.

Sorry for my absence, it's been real busy. I'll be around in a bit here and will try to make as much time as I can before EoD.

Hey folks, I'm going to be pretty busy this weekend grading final exams, but I'll make sure to make some time at some point for this game.

Ugh. RIP G-Man.

If anything, I find DF and Elo's predetermined hyperfocus on Soneji voters to be suspicious at face value, but I'm trying not to let disagreements in approach color my vision there too much.

I'm busier than expected, so any proper attention and related analyses from me will have to wait until Day 2.

DFaraday wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Hey guys, has anyone seen Libby around? We were gonna go have a picnic, and she said she was gonna go grab some blankets...

But seriously, I really dislike the CFD shenanigans that occurred here. Going into Day 2, the Soneji voter-dudes are who I'm gonna be looking at.
That was absolute bollocks. Nobody talks about Soneji all day, then with ten minutes to go the votes pile on? That's bloody ludicrous!

If anyone asked me, I'd think the baddies are made up of two Soneji voters and either Eloh, Sorsha or G-Man. This just screams save.

"Save" arguments are putting the cart ahead of horse. It's just as likely that the baddies took advantage of a multi-town wagon.

I don't agree with sweeping generalizations, and I think that teammate interactions cannot be accurately surmised until we have one mafia flip. Everyone should be individually assessed for their votes.

insertnamehere wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Hey guys, has anyone seen Libby around? We were gonna go have a picnic, and she said she was gonna go grab some blankets...

But seriously, I really dislike the CFD shenanigans that occurred here. Going into Day 2, the Soneji voter-dudes are who I'm gonna be looking at.
Why wouldn't you look at and evaluate everyone's votes?
Obviously, I'm not gonna exclude anyone from suspicion.

It's more like I'm gonna be especially looking at the Soneji voter-dudes.

I suppose that's fair.

Scotty wrote:I'm sorry for contributing for that mislynch with no substantive reason. I was only trying to save myself.
i have 2 live tv interviews tomorrow and I'm freakin nervous. Long day tomorrow so I am going to be very absent, I am sorry

Kick some ass, bud.

insertnamehere wrote:Hey guys, has anyone seen Libby around? We were gonna go have a picnic, and she said she was gonna go grab some blankets...

But seriously, I really dislike the CFD shenanigans that occurred here. Going into Day 2, the Soneji voter-dudes are who I'm gonna be looking at.

Why wouldn't you look at and evaluate everyone's votes?

Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I rolled with Soneji. Kind of fun, I've never been part of a CFD before.
The last time I was in a game with one I was suspected for half a month
Also,
LOL, and you weren't even bad. So fun to watch, can't lie.
I almost went insane playing that game Almost.

That was an incredibly entertaining game to watch.

Elohcin wrote:Y'all are so fun.

G, why did you wait until the last minute to declare where you would stay for the night?

MP, I am good. You watched lost, right? Read through my posts when you get a chance (just mine) and then make up your mind about me. I know I waffled a little on G, but I always do. I still half think he is good and half think he is bad. He's been helpful, but his motivations could be bad. He waited until the last minute to claim where he will stay, that pings a bit.

But I am more pinged by Sorsha and that is why I voted her. He role played the hell out of these past 48 hours and contributed nothing, imo. She claims that those who came in and claimed their night stay and left are suspicious but I don't find that suspicious at all. I am guessing those are busy people trying to get done what is required of them and then being on their merry way. I think they were bad, they would hold out to see where others were going first.

Woah linki

Of course I watched LOST; that's how I met a lot of these fine people in our community, including my wife, and discovered mafia.

You don't have to give me an excuse for an ISO; I'll gladly take a look.

I've posted like a madperson in GY!BE and am planning on ISOs there too, but I'll maybe throw a few down here soon too.

Quin wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I rolled with Soneji. Kind of fun, I've never been part of a CFD before.
The last time I was in a game with one I was suspected for half a month

Also,

G-Man wrote:Can't say I agree about Soneji. Direct and to the point is civvie quality.

Direct and to the point is Soneji. That's his demeanor; I wouldn't give him town points for it.

The issue I have is that I think his d1 vote logic is fabricated. I don't really know though. Obviously I'm not invested enough in this game.

Linki: Dammit. Sorry Soneji. RIP.

Soneji

Soneji's d1 vote bothers me.

Rico's just failed to make any impression on me whatsoever, which is incredibly rare, so I'm looking at him now. Threw out his name to get your folks' thoughts on him too.

Epignosis wrote:I don't see anything from my wife to suggest she's bad.

I agree.

Whom are you considering?

I'm currently contemplating Rico and Soneji, but I'm listening.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:
Quin wrote:If it comes to a tie breaker I'll be moving my vote to Eloh to save G-Man. I do not want to do that. Alternatively you could all vote INH.
You feel confident enough in G-Man's alignment to save him?

Linki: You're considering voting someone for roleplay/low content?
And?
It's just odd that you want others to excuse your low content because, hey it's Day 1! But you would consider voting someone else for that reason, that's all I'm saying

Quin: Can you please explain why you feel that confident about him this early?

MP: Why Elo over G-Man?

Linki: I'm here, who are we considering?

Because I'm townreading G-Man, whereas I'm just ??? on Elo.

How do you feel about Rico and Soneji?

Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd also prefer to vote Elo over G-Man myself, but I'm not really sold on Elo being a worthwhile vote.
That's why I don't want to do it if I don't have to.

Who's here? We've got 15 minutes to come up with a better alternative.

Yeah, 15 minutes... I'm sorry for not contributing more this phase myself; I'm 100% invested in GY!BE and it's been tough for me to dig in here.

I'll try though. I'm up for a CFD. I'm not really feeling great about voting for anyone with 1+ votes currently.

I feel tentatively OK about Sorsha's response, even though I find it ironic that she displayed a willingness to vote someone for RPing/low content. I don't really want to vote for her at this point either.

CFD on someone else?

I'd also prefer to vote Elo over G-Man myself, but I'm not really sold on Elo being a worthwhile vote.

Sorsha wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'll be voting Sorsha if she doesn't answer my question soon enough.
Sorry I'm on my phone & a passenger in a car with a crazy driver

It's alright, that's why I was waiting.

Thanks for the response.

I'll be voting Sorsha if she doesn't answer my question soon enough.

Sorsha wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
G-Man wrote:Constrained by dinner prep. My three baddie suspects are:

1. Sorsha
2. Rico
3. MP07

Voting Sorsha for now. Her use of roleplay has resulted in the lowest level of content.
How much content is really expected in a day one? Plus, you've been "suspicious" of me since I made my first post in the game entirely for what happened on the show between our characters.

I'm just looking for my son. You never answered me earlier if you had seen him.

WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!
If no one produces any game-related content on Day 1, then how do you propose we should find the mafia-aligned players?

Where is your vote going?
I don't know how to find mafia for sure on day one and I've been playing this game a long time.

Since I have one vote on me right now I'm going to hold my vote incase I need to save myself.

Have you seen Walt MP? Do you know who has him?

Well, we have to start somewhere, right? Day 1 seems as good a time as any.

If you didn't have any votes then who would receive your vote?

Host WIFOM. Does not compute.

Sorsha wrote:
G-Man wrote:Constrained by dinner prep. My three baddie suspects are:

1. Sorsha
2. Rico
3. MP07

Voting Sorsha for now. Her use of roleplay has resulted in the lowest level of content.
How much content is really expected in a day one? Plus, you've been "suspicious" of me since I made my first post in the game entirely for what happened on the show between our characters.

I'm just looking for my son. You never answered me earlier if you had seen him.

WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!

If no one produces any game-related content on Day 1, then how do you propose we should find the mafia-aligned players?

Where is your vote going?

Soneji wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Soneji wrote:I was pinged somewhat by G-mans early post and his later posts solidify a scum lean on him. Don't think his theories or plans would really be that useful/in town's best interest. He is seemingly overly concerned with his own survival, not really a townie trait. More likely that is just his excuse to delay him picking his location so he can have the ideal spot to kill from.

[VOTE: ] aubergine
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Elaborate upon this highlighted part please.] aubergine
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I did, immediately following the part you bolded. Should get your eyes checked.] aubergine

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The snark isn't necessary.

I don't see anything in your subsequent explanations that "solidify a scum lean", so I was trying to poke you for explanations on why those things make him bad. I disagree with your assertion that townies aren't overly concerned with their own survival, but I'm missing the link between "G-Man is proposing theories/plans that aren't useful" and "G-Man is the best place to put my d1 vote because he's a scum read". I think that's a questionable leap.] aubergine

Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Quin, I'm honestly not super invested into this game yet. Can you walk me through your INH suspicion?
The biggest thing is that he put a vote on me just because my vote was on him. He didn't indicate any suspicion held towards me. He said he'd move it when I either explained why it was still there or moved it, and I did the latter almost immediately. He was still around for a good hour after that but made no indication that his vote was going to move. He's been gone for a while now so I can easily take this as a Day 1 excuse to drop a vote and fade into the background for the rest of the day.
I'm not sure it's enough to compel me that INH is a good d1 vote, but that's fair. Hopefully he can come back soon and answer your concern.
Do you have a shortlist for your vote today?

DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Ricochet
Scotty
Soneji
Sorsha

Trying out POE again.

Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Quin, I'm honestly not super invested into this game yet. Can you walk me through your INH suspicion?
The biggest thing is that he put a vote on me just because my vote was on him. He didn't indicate any suspicion held towards me. He said he'd move it when I either explained why it was still there or moved it, and I did the latter almost immediately. He was still around for a good hour after that but made no indication that his vote was going to move. He's been gone for a while now so I can easily take this as a Day 1 excuse to drop a vote and fade into the background for the rest of the day.

I'm not sure it's enough to compel me that INH is a good d1 vote, but that's fair. Hopefully he can come back soon and answer your concern.

G-Man wrote:Constrained by dinner prep. My three baddie suspects are:

1. Sorsha
2. Rico
3. MP07

Voting Sorsha for now. Her use of roleplay has resulted in the lowest level of content.

I may have missed it, but... why?

Dom wrote:
G-Man wrote:Correctamundo. I'm ISO'ing to see who I trust. Crazy Theory #2 is most likely to be that I can't trust players hiding almost exclusively behind roleplay. Interesting that you broke your shtick only a few times to cast shade. There's plenty of shade for you in the tiger pit. Just saying.
What is interesting about it?
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dom wrote:Hi all.

I am feeling ill. I will need to rest by the beach for a day or two.

But for real-- I am ill. Please excuse my crabby-ness or subdued play.

How do we feel about G-Man?
Feel better soon!

How do you feel about G-Man?
not great

Can you elaborate? What specifically is making you feel that way?

Quin, I'm honestly not super invested into this game yet. Can you walk me through your INH suspicion?

Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Mr. Eko's Prayer/Jesus Stick - Lost Again S2 Rainbow #1

G-Man
insertnamehere
Quin
Spacedaisy

DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Ricochet
Scotty
Soneji
Sorsha
Why do you town read INH?

Nothing amazing, just a gut-based read. He is active and seems genuine.

Plus in another life I just led a d1 mislynch on him, so maybe I'm less apt to vote for him than I should be.

Mr. Eko's Prayer/Jesus Stick - Lost Again S2 Rainbow #1

G-Man
insertnamehere
Quin
Spacedaisy

DFaraday
Dom
Elohcin
Epignosis
Ricochet
Scotty
Soneji
Sorsha

I'm writing down names as we speak. Things I need to remember.

Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Why MP, brotha?
He's one of few who hasn't declared his location yet. I'm inclined to believe the baddies would wait until later on so they can go to wherever their target goes.
This is logical. If I don't end up having to save myself then I will vote MP.

I'm also going to start keeping a list of those who go after me on Day 1 and see if they end up bad. I think people think I'm an easy target. It will take several games to determine if this is true and to use this info to find baddies, but I'm too lazy/busy with other things to go back and research other games.

So you're willing to vote for me under this logic even though I'm not the last one to declare?

Also, I think that's not going to do you much good. People will suspect you, whether they're mafia looking for a mislynch or townies who actually think you're suspicious. As a townie I have trouble keeping myself from finding you suspicious nearly every game we play together.

Soneji wrote:I was pinged somewhat by G-mans early post and his later posts solidify a scum lean on him. Don't think his theories or plans would really be that useful/in town's best interest. He is seemingly overly concerned with his own survival, not really a townie trait. More likely that is just his excuse to delay him picking his location so he can have the ideal spot to kill from.

[VOTE: ] aubergine

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Elaborate upon this highlighted part please.] aubergine

insertnamehere wrote:
G-Man wrote:Considering that there is a 5.3% chance of repeating as a baddie cover role, I'm willing to chance it on Day 1.
This is the same like, logical fallacy that makes roulette players bet on red after a big string of blacks.

It's like saying I'm more likely to have a baddie role in this game because I've recently had a string of civilian roles.

If the cover roles really are randomly chosen, there's literally no reason to trust DFaraday and Epignosis for being Charlie and Kate.

I agree with INH here.

G-Man wrote:
Quin wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Why MP, brotha?
He's one of few who hasn't declared his location yet. I'm inclined to believe the baddies would wait until later on so they can go to wherever their target goes.
Can't say I disagree with you there. It's possible that one of the baddies (assuming a 2 or 3-member baddie team exists) would wait until later to claim a location. Then again, they could just make sure to split up early-to-mid day and see which prospects come to either baddie member's locale. We're split pretty evenly right now, so if they split up, then they'll be able to kill whoever they want tonight without much danger of being outed too soon.

On Day 1, they probably won't be too worried about strategy just yet. These short games are notorious for civvies cannibalizing each other early on.

I agree with this. In my experience hosting, even active teams don't really talk strategics until Night 1.

G-Man wrote:Crazy Theory #1: Charlie, Kate, and Sun were all cover identities for baddies in Season 1. Both Charlie and Kate are roles that have been claimed. I trust these two roles out of the sheer unlikelihood that either one is bad again. That would clear both DFaraday and Epignosis for me. I'd prefer to see more (any?) substantive content from Epi but I find I'm suspicious of him far too often (like I am with S~V~S).

That is crazy.

Dom wrote:Hi all.

I am feeling ill. I will need to rest by the beach for a day or two.

But for real-- I am ill. Please excuse my crabby-ness or subdued play.

How do we feel about G-Man?

Feel better soon!

How do you feel about G-Man?

Quin wrote:I don't like anyone who's withheld their location for tonight until the last minute.

Why?

I forgot about it to be honest.

I'll help fulfill my destiny pushing the button. Stay in the hatch.

I'll be around closer to EoD. I've been focusing too much on GY!BE pretty much in vain, but I won't be anymore.

Spacedaisy wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:G-Man losing a little of his standing with me already, that was quick. It was already pointed out that the baddies would want to be where there are more people, easier to hide. But he basically just tried to propose a plan that would allow baddies to easily hide without looking overly suspicious.
Crick in your neck after that sudden turnabout? Damn near gave me whiplash. Still, might be abit too obvious for a baddie to try. I'll look past this comment for now.
lol, what can I say, I play by my gut. And my gut says I don't like a plan that encourages one site where more people will intentionally gather, effectively making it harder to narrow down who might be the killer.

This is a town post.

Quin wrote:Never mind. I'm feeling meh again.

John, take me to the question mark.

Quin wrote:I'm John Locke, and I have a power role.

Take me to the question mark.

G-Man wrote:Cut the crap, people. This is Day 1, not Day 0. We need to get down to business. I didn't survive 48 days of hell to play nice, get it?

Quin and Eloh- you guys baddie teammates again? Tell it to me straight or I'll throw both your asses in a pit.

MP- produce a rainbow list within six hours or I'll talk to Mr. Eko about introducing you to his Jesus Stick.

You cannot introduce me to myself.

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