The Syndicate

triceratopzeuhl wrote:I figured he was just goofing off

Sounds like a logical interpretation, but if he wasn't, I'm intrigued to hear what he's thinking nonetheless.

Now, I know Epi likes to get the ball rolling, but I still would like to know why he thought Rico sounded like a newbie bad guy, since I think his explanation was unsatisfactory.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Or we could have Spacedaisy for lunch.

She's not even playing, but if she was:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snowman wrote:Why indeed, and why is Epignosis trying so hard to stir the pot? Guilty much?

Haha, love it.

But I wouldn't say this is atypical of Epi; he and Llama are perhaps the most notorious for stirring up the pot early on in games, regardless of alignment.

What am I, chopped liver?

Chopped marmot liver...yum

Alex invited some strange people to play with us already strange folk.

I think we should sacrifice a newbie for the Day 1 lunch.

Man, you're just trying everything to get my vote on D1, aren't you?

Right now, Russ. Right now. :P

Reading over my post, I didn't realize I said that three times.

Snowman wrote:Why indeed, and why is Epignosis trying so hard to stir the pot? Guilty much?

Haha, love it.

But I wouldn't say this is atypical of Epi; he and Llama are perhaps the most notorious for stirring up the pot early on in games, regardless of alignment.

Russtifinko wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I realize now that there will be at least some semblance of evidence, even on D1. Because there is so much BTSC, obviously players will be hesitant to lynch anyone else in their own BTSC group. Typically, civilians would be hesitant to defend teammates, but in a game such as this where roles and alignments could switch, there is less incentive to worry about being NKed as a result of defending a civilian teammate. Of course, baddies will be doing this as well, but even if roles are switching, we should still be able to compile information at snapshots, rather than over time.

As to the first part of this post, MP, why not? If were all switching anyway, I can't see any reason at all not to push for the lynch of my current teammates.

Unless of course they would all turn and vote for me for voting one of them, but that assumes they ascribe to an unwritten code of not lynching BTSC mates that really holds no value for them, and that they have arbitrary but strong and misplaced senses of justice.

What? That doesn't make sense, for two reasons:
1) If you KNOW your civilian teammates are civilian right now, why would you lead their lynch right now? Just because they might not be aligned with you later does not change the fact that they are civilian right now.
2) We don't know how the switch mechanism is going to work just yet, so it could very well be possible that not all of us switch every cycle.

Epignosis wrote:Since I can't die, I'm going to just say that Ricochet sounds like a newbie bad guy to me.

Why?

Zomberella12 wrote:That does look like a pretty disgusting sock.

Yes, all the more reason you shouldn't lunch me D1.

But the music contained within is so, so good.

The civilian self-voting needs to stop.

At least randomize your vote, for goodness sake. Who would have ever thought I'd be saying THAT?

Then I will vote the first person who does it because I think it's ridiculously stupid.

I will vote for you, MM, if you self vote. I think that sets a ridiculous precedent and no civilian should EVER self vote when he or she could at least vote for someone else, who isn't in their BTSC group, at random -- and have a chance at catching someone bad.

Self voters beware. I will vote for you on D1.

Nonetheless, I'm not advocating any outing or hinting (god knows we've had enough of that recently), but there MUST be a way to avoid random, meaningless lynches, and I think we can piece together events and evidence as they happen -- it will just be difficult at first, and will require some out of the box thinking.

I also implore all of the civilian BTSC groups to come up with a mechanism, if possible, to discern whether one of your current BTSCmates flips baddie later, by catching them in a lie. I am in the process of developing such a mechanism myself, and I think I finally have something. If different BTSC groups can come up with different mechanisms, perhaps it will be possible to tell whether a civilian flips baddie using more than snapshot lynch evidence.

In addition, I think I've uncovered the reason why roles and alignments are subject to switching; it's because of Wasatch Mountains. Obviously, if someone were to get lynched in someone else's place, not only would we lose a baddie, but we would know who the Mountains are. So perhaps the switching is mostly a mechanism by which to not unfairly punish that baddie team. I suppose we will find out how often and how much switching occurs once it happens though, but I suspect that maybe it won't be as much as I was thinking before (not sure if anyone else was thinking this, but I figured everyone would switch every cycle).

So I realize now that there will be at least some semblance of evidence, even on D1. Because there is so much BTSC, obviously players will be hesitant to lynch anyone else in their own BTSC group. Typically, civilians would be hesitant to defend teammates, but in a game such as this where roles and alignments could switch, there is less incentive to worry about being NKed as a result of defending a civilian teammate. Of course, baddies will be doing this as well, but even if roles are switching, we should still be able to compile information at snapshots, rather than over time.

Everyone should send in their night actions already so we can start lunching people.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Has anyone had any luck thinking about how to attack this game's unconventional role alignment possibility?

I still haven't cracked this game and figured out a way to enhance the civilians' chances to win... There has to be a way other than just luck, but I haven't thought of it yet. I suppose understanding the mechanism by which roles and alignments will change might alter that, but other than that, I just can't think of what we're going to do this game in terms of evidence and case building.

If everyone's roles change every night, I can literally think of nothing to do than to blindly lynch players.

Low posters?

If we're going to lynch essentially at random, I'm fine with that.

Has anyone had any luck thinking about how to attack this game's unconventional role alignment possibility?

I still haven't cracked this game and figured out a way to enhance the civilians' chances to win... There has to be a way other than just luck, but I haven't thought of it yet. I suppose understanding the mechanism by which roles and alignments will change might alter that, but other than that, I just can't think of what we're going to do this game in terms of evidence and case building.

If everyone's roles change every night, I can literally think of nothing to do than to blindly lynch players.

How about we lynch Epi on D1?

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I always eat in a hurry.

How are you enjoying being bad in a game?

What are you implying here?

A non-kill Night 0, huh? Haven't seen one of these in a long while.

TySlayer wrote:Mom just told me to say something that's funny, makes sense, and doesn't offend anyone around me. I think I have my work cut out for me.

Awesome avatar, Ty!

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So it appears we have 16 votes already! That means only one player hasn't voted yet, and I think that player is Ninja Blooper.

Other than that, I think only one player voted but hasn't posted yet: TySlayer.

Hopefully the Host can start D1 soon then!

From what I've noticed so far, Blooper usually comes late in the evening to post or vote. Might be the case today as well.

But otherwise, yeah, hopefully soon.

Yeah, I think you're right.

I'm just shocked (pleasantly) that so many players have checked in already, so maybe the Host can give us an earlier Day 1. Otherwise, for now I eagerly await the game's real start.

So it appears we have 16 votes already! That means only one player hasn't voted yet, and I think that player is Ninja Blooper.

Other than that, I think only one player voted but hasn't posted yet: TySlayer.

Hopefully the Host can start D1 soon then!

Yay! Hello Snowman and Zomberella!

Typically, most mafia games around here start with a pregame "Day 0" phase where the poll can be themed off of whatever theme the host used to construct their game. The polls can have some outcome on the game or they can be just a way to get people acclimated before the lynching (in this game, lunching) starts.

I'm leaning towards the former for this one, but I doubt any of us can discern what it'll do.

FZ. wrote:Game!

Welcome new players . I think you chose the wrong game to start your mafia experience. Not sure any of us will be able to help, but ask away

Now, I wonder if the wheel of fortune thing is related to the rotations. Like if we find the right letters, we switch to a new role or something.

I'm going with u

That's my fault.

I thought rotating powers would make it a bit complicated, but I knew there'd be a lot of BTSC, and Roxy games are always fun.

However, I didn't realize there would be rotating alignments.

At least, if they make it through this game, subsequent games should be a breeze.

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, another question, sorry. Just so I understand the rules correctly, since they are unconventional... and to help understanding of our three resident new mafia players as well:

Is it possible to be a civilian one cycle and a baddie the next? I presume if a player were to die (by lynch or night kill) that the player would die with whatever ability and alignment he or she had at that time?

But otherwise, as long as a player continues living, it is always possible that your role ability and/or alignment could switch?

Yes it is possible to be a baddie Day 5 then a civvie Day 6. (<< just an example)
And yes, when someone is lunched or night killed then whatever role and ability they have goes with them.
It is possible they could continue to change all game but its also possible they won't.
You cannot kill yourself llama lol

Great, thanks for the answers!

Wheel of Fortune themed mafia, anyone?

thellama73 wrote:I'm going to vote I. Is it just me, or is it going to be really hard to catch baddies if the baddies are always changing?

It seems that way. Perhaps a plan can be devised. Otherwise, it seems there might be more luck involved than usual.

Rox, another question, sorry. Just so I understand the rules correctly, since they are unconventional... and to help understanding of our three resident new mafia players as well:

Is it possible to be a civilian one cycle and a baddie the next? I presume if a player were to die (by lynch or night kill) that the player would die with whatever ability and alignment he or she had at that time?

But otherwise, as long as a player continues living, it is always possible that your role ability and/or alignment could switch?

Okay, thanks! In that case, I am voting A then.

Rox: do any players have information on this poll?

Yay game!!!!!