The Syndicate

sig wrote:Okay thanks,

@MP basically I don't see any of the three cases I'm trying to see which is the least worst. I'm still looking over Wilgy's posts, but from what I see he votes for Epi which is eye brow raising and apparently Sloonie is silenced. However, I don't put to much stock in the silenced argument mainly since it is very easy to WIFOM that.

Scotty has gut pinged me as bad,

I'm also kind off tinfoiling MP and one of the four who he said he is tinfoiling to be bad.

Also why are the insanfied people spamming the thread? Seems kind off like a waste.

...You realize there are other players on that list right?

You don't have any suspicions of your own you wish to vote and/or propose that we should vote?

Revisiting my Scotty suspicion as we speak.

sig wrote:hey here i am to save the day, or at least make a post and vote. :P


So I don't see a good case for Boomslang or Wilgy or A person. However, out of the three the Wilgy thing seemed to have come out of nowhere? His vote for Epi seems to be the only thing agaisnt him. For now I'm voting for Boom when I go back and read if anyone can tell me what exactly the case on Wilgy is that would be great.

Wait what

I think Wilgy is a preferable option to AP and Boomslang at least. I'm not sure I feel any conviction about it, but the observations regarding Wilgy are solid enough.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wasn't using POE by that point anymore and I'm still not.

Tell me, Dom. How is your continued questioning of me assisting you in determining my alignment for your and the town's benefit? Because at this point it feels to me like you're arguing semantics and I don't get the impression you really believe I am bad. I think you're using me and nitpicking minor points that are either inaccurate or I've already addressed (and you're saying I'm being not genuine, which I can't further defend because it's a mere gut interpretation) to make it appear as though you care about determining my alignment (i.e., you're town), but I don't see any reason to believe any of that is true.

I missed your post about dropping POE.
I'm going to be honest, I'm a bit peeved that you are expecting me to perfectly remember every post you've made when you have made almost 400 posts. Also, this is a post that is a giant NO U. I am asking questions that aren't particularly scathing about your motivations and posts. It's not about semantics. I don't understand why you are spinning my questions to minimize their weight.


I doubt Jay is faking a curse.
IDK where to vote. boom is making no sense. MP's frustration seems genuine.

Sorry, you're right that it's unfair of me to assume you have a perfect working knowledge of all of the thread's posts, or even all of my posts because I know I've thrown a lot down.

I'm not spinning anything to minimize their weight; I just felt frustrated and am trying to pick your brain as well because I'm trying to figure out whether you're being genuine or not. I can't figure it out.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:This is the worst post I've seen from drwilgy:

I'm not going to pretend that I've read all of Epi's posts, but what I have read I gut read as bad.

but also the fact that sloonei posted suspicions of him yesterday and ended up silenced today could be telling

MovingPictures07 wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: And again? You've not even spoken of me at all other than to say my signal-to-noise ratio is low. Well, I think that's a load of crap. Your signal-to-noise ratio isn't any better than mine, buddy, and neither is that of many other players in this game. Furthermore, even if mine is that bad, which you haven't proven by the way, how does that make me more deserving a vote than literally everyone else in this game other than AP?

oh sorry I missed the part where I have over 350 posts

You have nearly 75 posts.

If I have 350, and both of our signal-to-noise ratio in our posts is low (say, 20%), then that means I still have 70 posts that have meaningful content in them, which is nearly as many as all of your in-game posts.

So I don't follow. It's not like I haven't been trying to solve the game.

Furthermore, you don't explain why a low signal-to-noise ratio makes me worthy of your vote. So why were you considering me?

I don't know why you'd assume only 20% of my posts have content when it's verifiably false, and I was considering you also because of your schizophrenic flip in character after day 1 (it's a game, it's not like you killed INH in real life or something). But you're only maybe top 5 at worst suspicions I have by now, and there aren't even that many baddies.

That's fair, I just was trying to expose what I thought was faulty logic.

Who are your current suspicions and why? Like, top 3.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:MP, you never answered my question directed at you earlier.

I'm sorry bud, must have missed it. I'm trying to quickly catch up here while playing Lost Again. Lol. Can you quote it for me?

Dom wrote:i think he's purposefully exposing how flawed poe is

Who?

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Do Not Let the Song on Repeat or the Angry Caps-Lock Internet Guy Lead You Astray About Me or Anyone Else Like They Did With the First Victim

At least I'm trying. You're the guy in the group that keeps shooting down everyone else's ideas without really bringing any of your own.

Could that be because you know who the townies are?

You are Neither One of Those Cats, You EgoManiacTM

Wait, I'm not the song on repeat? Lol.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Better than AP's vote train, JJJ faking a curse, or voting for MP for his 927391723th explosion. Because I see several really terrible reasons for vote so far today.

MP is the only person who has voted for MP today :P

Why did you abandon voting for me or AP?

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:Here ya go golden:

A Person
birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
Dom
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Golden
JaggedJimmyJay
LoRab
Metalmarsh89
MovingPictures07
Nijuukyugou
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
simmer
triceratopzeuhl

Crown of shit
Everyone I know
The needle tears a hole
Everyone I know
Crown of shit
Everyone I know
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
The needle tears a hole
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
The needle tears a hole
The needle tears a hole
Everyone I know
Everyone I know
Everyone I know

Wait, I must have missed something. What's "the needle tears a hole"?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Also, I find your two statements contradictory. How can he be pretty much impossible to read and yet you lean town on him?

Did you read my post? I said I leaned town on Epi because I didn't think his gimmick was doing any damage to the town effort. Beyond obfuscating his own alignment, of course.

Sloonei wrote:Why do you like Scotty avoiding the INH vote?

He had a correct read on INH and promoted that read in the thread. Had we followed that advice, it would've been profitable to the town effort. That's more town evidence than we have for most people at this point.

Also, voted the mini-market because food.

I did read it; I just don't understand how you interpret Epi's behavior as obfuscating.

I find your highlighted conclusion dubious. Accuracy does not make alignment.

Epi's posts have gotten much less obtuse as the game has gone on, I'll give you that much. So I'm stepping back from the idea of obfuscation for now. And I agree that accuracy does not make alignment. But he actively pursued other targets (Epi, BWT, JJJ) in thread instead of just saying he disagreed with the inh lynch. He could've done more late in the day, but he did offer some potential alternatives if others would've taken them.

Linki w/Golden: I don't necessarily think both are fake. But I think odds are high one is, given what we know about the roles.
Linki w/MP: Spinning my wheels here, but I'd say a mafia J could be pretending to help temper his high post count from yesterday. He came out swinging, establishing himself as a strong inquisitive force (see Scotty calling him the Spanish Inquisition, for crying out loud), and playing insanified lets him fade back a bit while retaining that impression.

Second linki: Ahh Blooper I want to post tooooo

That's all fair. Thanks for the response. I'll see whether I agree with that claim when ISO Scotty tomorrow (that's what I'm hoping to do anyway).

That's a logical conclusion. I'm not sure what I think of it. I think mafia members faking curses almost never happens, but it's possible. I've done it once before.

No, no, NO. Don't do this to me, man! This is the first notable thing you've said so far that I've disagreed with.

If you wouldn't put it past a mafia member, and you yourself have faked a curse, then why do you think it's a stretch for mafia members to do it?

Because it's unnecessarily risky. Most people don't play like I do.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: And again? You've not even spoken of me at all other than to say my signal-to-noise ratio is low. Well, I think that's a load of crap. Your signal-to-noise ratio isn't any better than mine, buddy, and neither is that of many other players in this game. Furthermore, even if mine is that bad, which you haven't proven by the way, how does that make me more deserving a vote than literally everyone else in this game other than AP?

oh sorry I missed the part where I have over 350 posts

You have nearly 75 posts.

If I have 350, and both of our signal-to-noise ratio in our posts is low (say, 20%), then that means I still have 70 posts that have meaningful content in them, which is nearly as many as all of your in-game posts.

So I don't follow. It's not like I haven't been trying to solve the game.

Furthermore, you don't explain why a low signal-to-noise ratio makes me worthy of your vote. So why were you considering me?

Epignosis wrote:Do Not Let the Song on Repeat or the Angry Caps-Lock Internet Guy Lead You Astray About Me or Anyone Else Like They Did With the First Victim

At least I'm trying. You're the guy in the group that keeps shooting down everyone else's ideas without really bringing any of your own.

Could that be because you know who the townies are?

Epignosis wrote:If I Die Today, Please Remember Golden and 3J and Lynch Both of Their Sorry Asses (ft. Dr. Wilgy)

Wait, what?

Boomslang wrote:Arrrgh, I thought I could catch up tonight. Making a long story short, I have a surprise job interview in middle-of-nowhere North Carolina that will eat up the rest of my day/early evening. Gonna vote Timmer because I disagree with the main wagons and think it would at least yield info on MM. I know this is a drive-by, but I don't have time for more.

I'm puzzled.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Damn, this deadline came up fast (only 5 hours away).

The three players I'd vote for today are timmer, Boomslang, and Sockface.

Who else is cooking?

Why me?

Because you disputed my accusation without providing any evidence.

You're not number 1 on my list, but you're on it. In your defense, I didn't ask until just now.


Epignosis offers a good reason to not vote for APerson, so I won't be going that way today.

If that makes someone mafia-aligned, then literally every game every player would be mafia-aligned.

Epignosis wrote:

LoRab wrote:For what it's worth, I think MP is civ.

I also think he should take a deep breath and come back to the game.

I'm voting A Person. At least for now. If they come back and give a reason for their post advocating for killing high posters, then I may reconsider.

A Person Complained About Volume...He Could Have Killed the Source of the Volume (But He Didn't)

You're playing POE better than anyone here.

LoRab wrote:For what it's worth, I think MP is civ.

I also think he should take a deep breath and come back to the game.

I'm voting A Person. At least for now. If they come back and give a reason for their post advocating for killing high posters, then I may reconsider.

The problem with an A Person lynch is that we're just taking a stab in the dark as to his alignment because there's not anything to judge.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Fuck this game. Seriously. I don't even care if you other townies win anymore.

MovingPictures07

HETHZBEMADWDGFLMCECRSALOKYHNENMTEKTXEJSYVQOPXMHNCKBJRIBNJHBDITEUMGUBXUMD

This curse sucks.

I'm sorry all. I should have walked away a bit sooner. Just was feeling a bit too emotionally overloaded. I'll be spending the bulk of my time on Lost Again since its EoD ends around this one, but I'll still try to catch up here and place a more meaningful vote.

I'm walking away. I have more meetings to attend. You all have fun. I'll be back if I survive the day, which I don't even care to anymore.

I'm basically being policy lynched right now for producing too much content.

I'm so over this fucking game right now I can't even.

Fuck this game. Seriously. I don't even care if you other townies win anymore.

MovingPictures07

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Damn, this deadline came up fast (only 5 hours away).

The three players I'd vote for today are timmer, Boomslang, and Sockface.

Who else is cooking?

Why me?

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Damn, this deadline came up fast (only 5 hours away).

The three players I'd vote for today are timmer, Boomslang, and Sockface.

Who else is cooking?

What's the reasoning behind timmer and boomslang?

I was thinking either MP or a_person, matt's 1 post today looks really bad

And again? You've not even spoken of me at all other than to say my signal-to-noise ratio is low. Well, I think that's a load of crap. Your signal-to-noise ratio isn't any better than mine, buddy, and neither is that of many other players in this game. Furthermore, even if mine is that bad, which you haven't proven by the way, how does that make me more deserving a vote than literally everyone else in this game other than AP?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You guys call it random chaos marmot.

I'm serious about the timmer/Boomslang thing. Wish I had more time to chat though, but I've only been able to skim a bit.

I didn't say it was chaotic. I just don't find any value in timing accusations; I historically find them to be too inaccurate. When you get a chance, I'd be happy to hear your elaboration and/or what you're talking about re: Russ in Talking Heads.

I never responded to this post. Oops!

In Talking Heads, Russ popped in with his first post saying "Hey guys, sorry I'm late. I'm busy, but I'm just posting because the host warned me to not not post". I accused him of having BTSC, as that's where his potential warning came from. I don't remember if that was the case at all, but he did flip mafia. It's a little different than this one.



If you find this timing thing to be historically inaccurate, can you give me an example or two of someone else using a similar accusation and being wrong?

I did send him a text saying the game had started and detailing the punishment for non-voters since he was particularly busy RL during that game, so perhaps that's what he's referring to and it was a true statement. I don't know though.

I don't have the time to do that any time before EoD. I cannot even recall any games in which these kinds of accusations occur. I'll consider it though if you really think that'd be the wisest use of my time.

Your point was that it is historically inaccurate. A claim like that should have some evidence to back it up. If anyone else has a good example, I'd like to see it.

I wish I was more available to discuss it when you did have time, but that's not the case unfortunately.

I'll do some research. But considering I'm apparently in trouble today, that's not exactly my priority right now. I care to lynch people based on their posts in this game. I don't assign meaning to time-based teammate assertions, especially when there is no evidence of any mafia flip. If timmer or Boomslang were to be lynched for separately compelling reasons, then I would revisit your observation.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this game. I don't really care. I'm really not in the mood for this. I'll be back whenever.

335 Thread Count, Camps on Mount INH, Expects No Scrutiny

Look, it's not that I expect no scrutiny. That's a misrepresentation of my behavior.

But I'm mentally exhausted this phase. For RL reasons even more than in game, but yeah; I exhausted all that effort and the best we could get is a shitty mislynch, and despite feeling like during d1 I was enervating lots of worthwhile content I find myself constricted by less free time and analysis paralysis, so yeah I'm a bit sour grapes about this game right now.

Generating Content or White Noise (A Ballad in Three Movements):
a. I Sympathize with a Person, I Really Do
b. By the Time I Read Moby Dick Every Evening, I Lose Interest in Writing Anything Myself
c. The Other Voices are Drowned

MovingPictures07 wrote:What the fuck do you expect me to say to you just coming in, plopping a vote on me, and saying my desire to generate content is fake? You've shown no effort to critically evaluate any other INH voter or any other vote except for me today, and you've given me nothing to respond to or work with, just a broad stroke observation that my behavior is fake, and a comment that I could have moved my vote after you made an observation about INH that I considered. What about the other INH voters? Why aren't you and Dom holding them accountable for not changing their votes? Why am I being held to a standard in which you think your one point should have changed my mind when I already spoke extensively and in great detail about my INH thoughts and even expressed that same reservation about his lynch train and others did not? What about all of that specifically strikes you as contrived?

Of All People, I Would Think Mr. POE (i.e., FIND ALL THE TOWNSFOLK) and Mr. WKT Would Be Most Receptive to a Cogent Point in the Victim's Favor

Spoiler: show

hidden track

But Neither of You Were

This is precisely my point.

You are using POE but are not justifying your votes in that way. It seems to me that POE is a massive distraction then. Saying Scotty is bad is the opposite of your strategy, is it not?

I wasn't using POE by that point anymore and I'm still not.

Tell me, Dom. How is your continued questioning of me assisting you in determining my alignment for your and the town's benefit? Because at this point it feels to me like you're arguing semantics and I don't get the impression you really believe I am bad. I think you're using me and nitpicking minor points that are either inaccurate or I've already addressed (and you're saying I'm being not genuine, which I can't further defend because it's a mere gut interpretation) to make it appear as though you care about determining my alignment (i.e., you're town), but I don't see any reason to believe any of that is true.

Dom

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this game. I don't really care. I'm really not in the mood for this. I'll be back whenever.

335 Thread Count, Camps on Mount INH, Expects No Scrutiny

Look, it's not that I expect no scrutiny. That's a misrepresentation of my behavior.

But I'm mentally exhausted this phase. For RL reasons even more than in game, but yeah; I exhausted all that effort and the best we could get is a shitty mislynch, and despite feeling like during d1 I was enervating lots of worthwhile content I find myself constricted by less free time and analysis paralysis, so yeah I'm a bit sour grapes about this game right now.

Generating Content or White Noise (A Ballad in Three Movements):
a. I Sympathize with a Person, I Really Do
b. By the Time I Read Moby Dick Every Evening, I Lose Interest in Writing Anything Myself
c. The Other Voices are Drowned

MovingPictures07 wrote:What the fuck do you expect me to say to you just coming in, plopping a vote on me, and saying my desire to generate content is fake? You've shown no effort to critically evaluate any other INH voter or any other vote except for me today, and you've given me nothing to respond to or work with, just a broad stroke observation that my behavior is fake, and a comment that I could have moved my vote after you made an observation about INH that I considered. What about the other INH voters? Why aren't you and Dom holding them accountable for not changing their votes? Why am I being held to a standard in which you think your one point should have changed my mind when I already spoke extensively and in great detail about my INH thoughts and even expressed that same reservation about his lynch train and others did not? What about all of that specifically strikes you as contrived?

Of All People, I Would Think Mr. POE (i.e., FIND ALL THE TOWNSFOLK) and Mr. WKT Would Be Most Receptive to a Cogent Point in the Victim's Favor

Spoiler: show

hidden track

But Neither of You Were

This is precisely my point.

You are using POE but are not justifying your votes in that way. It seems to me that POE is a massive distraction then. Saying Scotty is bad is the opposite of your strategy, is it not?

I wasn't using POE by that point anymore and I'm still not.

Tell me, Dom. How is your continued questioning of me assisting you in determining my alignment for your and the town's benefit? Because at this point it feels to me like you're arguing semantics and I don't get the impression you really believe I am bad. I think you're using me and nitpicking minor points that are either inaccurate or I've already addressed (and you're saying I'm being not genuine, which I can't further defend because it's a mere gut interpretation) to make it appear as though you care about determining my alignment (i.e., you're town), but I don't see any reason to believe any of that is true.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this game. I don't really care. I'm really not in the mood for this. I'll be back whenever.

335 Thread Count, Camps on Mount INH, Expects No Scrutiny

Look, it's not that I expect no scrutiny. That's a misrepresentation of my behavior.

But I'm mentally exhausted this phase. For RL reasons even more than in game, but yeah; I exhausted all that effort and the best we could get is a shitty mislynch, and despite feeling like during d1 I was enervating lots of worthwhile content I find myself constricted by less free time and analysis paralysis, so yeah I'm a bit sour grapes about this game right now.

Generating Content or White Noise (A Ballad in Three Movements):
a. I Sympathize with a Person, I Really Do
b. By the Time I Read Moby Dick Every Evening, I Lose Interest in Writing Anything Myself
c. The Other Voices are Drowned

MovingPictures07 wrote:What the fuck do you expect me to say to you just coming in, plopping a vote on me, and saying my desire to generate content is fake? You've shown no effort to critically evaluate any other INH voter or any other vote except for me today, and you've given me nothing to respond to or work with, just a broad stroke observation that my behavior is fake, and a comment that I could have moved my vote after you made an observation about INH that I considered. What about the other INH voters? Why aren't you and Dom holding them accountable for not changing their votes? Why am I being held to a standard in which you think your one point should have changed my mind when I already spoke extensively and in great detail about my INH thoughts and even expressed that same reservation about his lynch train and others did not? What about all of that specifically strikes you as contrived?

Of All People, I Would Think Mr. POE (i.e., FIND ALL THE TOWNSFOLK) and Mr. WKT Would Be Most Receptive to a Cogent Point in the Victim's Favor

Spoiler: show

hidden track

But Neither of You Were

I don't understand your first response (the ballad), but I do admit it sounds like a cool composition title.

I wasn't convinced. It's all in the thread. I was clearly tunnelling INH by that point, and the guy never had the chance to come in and address any of mine or anyone else's concerns. If you think any of that treatment by me is not genuine, then OK. I don't know what else to say.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You guys call it random chaos marmot.

I'm serious about the timmer/Boomslang thing. Wish I had more time to chat though, but I've only been able to skim a bit.

I didn't say it was chaotic. I just don't find any value in timing accusations; I historically find them to be too inaccurate. When you get a chance, I'd be happy to hear your elaboration and/or what you're talking about re: Russ in Talking Heads.

I never responded to this post. Oops!

In Talking Heads, Russ popped in with his first post saying "Hey guys, sorry I'm late. I'm busy, but I'm just posting because the host warned me to not not post". I accused him of having BTSC, as that's where his potential warning came from. I don't remember if that was the case at all, but he did flip mafia. It's a little different than this one.



If you find this timing thing to be historically inaccurate, can you give me an example or two of someone else using a similar accusation and being wrong?

I did send him a text saying the game had started and detailing the punishment for non-voters since he was particularly busy RL during that game, so perhaps that's what he's referring to and it was a true statement. I don't know though.

I don't have the time to do that any time before EoD. I cannot even recall any games in which these kinds of accusations occur. I'll consider it though if you really think that'd be the wisest use of my time.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this game. I don't really care. I'm really not in the mood for this. I'll be back whenever.

335 Thread Count, Camps on Mount INH, Expects No Scrutiny

Look, it's not that I expect no scrutiny. That's a misrepresentation of my behavior.

But I'm mentally exhausted this phase. For RL reasons even more than in game, but yeah; I exhausted all that effort and the best we could get is a shitty mislynch, and despite feeling like during d1 I was enervating lots of worthwhile content I find myself constricted by less free time and analysis paralysis, so yeah I'm a bit sour grapes about this game right now.

What the fuck do you expect me to say to you just coming in, plopping a vote on me, and saying my desire to generate content is fake? You've shown no effort to critically evaluate any other INH voter or any other vote except for me today, and you've given me nothing to respond to or work with, just a broad stroke observation that my behavior is fake, and a comment that I could have moved my vote after you made an observation about INH that I considered. What about the other INH voters? Why aren't you and Dom holding them accountable for not changing their votes? Why am I being held to a standard in which you think your one point should have changed my mind when I already spoke extensively and in great detail about my INH thoughts and even expressed that same reservation about his lynch train and others did not? What about all of that specifically strikes you as contrived?

Damn phone

That highlighted bit should be generating.

Now bye.

I have meetings with fellow professors and students for the next few hours. Be back closer to EoD.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why are you going down MP?

What?

You took a vote from Epignosis. That's kind of a big deal.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this game. I don't really care. I'm really not in the mood for this. I'll be back whenever.

What? Why? I just got here.

What do you mean it's a big deal?

He's the creme de la crop!

What's your read on him?

I don't know. I would still say Town but I feel like all my reads are uninformed garbage right now and it's disheartening. I have no direction.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this game. I don't really care. I'm really not in the mood for this. I'll be back whenever.

335 Thread Count, Camps on Mount INH, Expects No Scrutiny

Look, it's not that I expect no scrutiny. That's a misrepresentation of my behavior.

But I'm mentally exhausted this phase. For RL reasons even more than in game, but yeah; I exhausted all that effort and the best we could get is a shitty mislynch, and despite feeling like during d1 I was enervating lots of worthwhile content I find myself constricted by less free time and analysis paralysis, so yeah I'm a bit sour grapes about this game right now.

What the fuck do you expect me to say to you just coming in, plopping a vote on me, and saying my desire to generate content is fake? You've shown no effort to critically evaluate any other INH voter or any other vote except for me today, and you've given me nothing to respond to or work with, just a broad stroke observation that my behavior is fake, and a comment that I could have moved my vote after you made an observation about INH that I considered. What about the other INH voters? Why aren't you and Dom holding them accountable for not changing their votes? Why am I being held to a standard in which you think your one point should have changed my mind when I already spoke extensively and in great detail about my INH thoughts and even expressed that same reservation about his lynch train and others did not? What about all of that specifically strikes you as contrived?

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Dom, here's a response to that stuff you wanted me to respond to.

I think if you'll look in my ISO you'll see it evident that I found both Scotty and INH suspicious, but that I found an INH lynch preferable. I declared "you're bad" in response to that Scotty post because I thought it was a yucky post.

Did you find Rob's reason compelling? If so, why didn't you try to convince me and others to vote otherwise? I'd say it's pretty easy and suspicious to come in after the fact and try to point the blame squarely at me.

Regarding my read of you, my gut keeps shifting back and forth between thinking you're genuine and not, so that's why you've been shuffling between very weak town and very weak mafia. I also started questioning why I was townreading you after Sloonei inquired me and I didn't feel I had that much reason to. I'd have to ISO your content to get a better idea of where I stand on you probably because you're an enigma.

I'm satisfied with the latter answer.

The former reads strangely to me. I wasn't around for the most part-- I worked mroe than I thought I would and ran out of data on my phone. I don't know that I would have voted INH. That's not the point. My point is that you seemed to have had a stronger feeling on Scotty, but voted for INH anyway. Your deflection of this topic onto myself is not a good look.


I am letting you all know that I am ill. I am barely keeping up wtih my games and I will be a bit subdued for a few days. I apologize in advance.

Well, clearly I didn't indicate how strongly I was feeling about either of them that effectively then, because that's not how I was feeling.

Except that I did, because that's the point of my rainbow list.

I am just saying that seems incongruent with your statement on Scotty.

You mean the one where I said 'you're bad'? Okay, I think I follow what you're getting at now.

I didn't have 100% conviction that Scotty was bad, I just thought that post of his looked particularly bad, so I threw down that statement (also wanted to see how he would respond to it).

I expressed my desire to lynch Scotty many times, but I felt stronger even if not much stronger conviction against INH. Not sure what else I can say but that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why are you going down MP?

What?

You took a vote from Epignosis. That's kind of a big deal.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this game. I don't really care. I'm really not in the mood for this. I'll be back whenever.

What? Why? I just got here.

What do you mean it's a big deal?

I'm done with this game. I don't really care. I'm really not in the mood for this. I'll be back whenever.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why are you going down MP?

What?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Dom, here's a response to that stuff you wanted me to respond to.

I think if you'll look in my ISO you'll see it evident that I found both Scotty and INH suspicious, but that I found an INH lynch preferable. I declared "you're bad" in response to that Scotty post because I thought it was a yucky post.

Did you find Rob's reason compelling? If so, why didn't you try to convince me and others to vote otherwise? I'd say it's pretty easy and suspicious to come in after the fact and try to point the blame squarely at me.

Regarding my read of you, my gut keeps shifting back and forth between thinking you're genuine and not, so that's why you've been shuffling between very weak town and very weak mafia. I also started questioning why I was townreading you after Sloonei inquired me and I didn't feel I had that much reason to. I'd have to ISO your content to get a better idea of where I stand on you probably because you're an enigma.

I'm satisfied with the latter answer.

The former reads strangely to me. I wasn't around for the most part-- I worked mroe than I thought I would and ran out of data on my phone. I don't know that I would have voted INH. That's not the point. My point is that you seemed to have had a stronger feeling on Scotty, but voted for INH anyway. Your deflection of this topic onto myself is not a good look.


I am letting you all know that I am ill. I am barely keeping up wtih my games and I will be a bit subdued for a few days. I apologize in advance.

Well, clearly I didn't indicate how strongly I was feeling about either of them that effectively then, because that's not how I was feeling.

Except that I did, because that's the point of my rainbow list.

Epignosis wrote:The Founder's Need to Run Up the Volume is Fake as Hell

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:I'm gonna start with ISO'ing Epi votes, since I didn't even know that was a train (shows how much I've been paying attention, lol) and it stands out to me because of that reason (unexpected). It's probably all I'll be able to get through for tonight, but it's a start, I suppose.

I can dig it.

It's not fake. I have my limits. I'm exhausted and I've been busier the last few days than I anticipated. What about my activity or content seems fake to you? Because this is the first I'm hearing about it.

Epignosis wrote:I Voted the Founder, as I Implied I Would

What are you talking about? Why are you voting for me?

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spoiler: show

Dom wrote:MP PLEASE ANSWER TO THE FOLLOWING

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:I don't trust several people on this lynch and I don't think Inh will flip bad.

And JJJ: I'm sorry you hate that post.

I still stand by my first post of this game

You're bad.

Alex posted this before Day One ended, but still voted INH even though Rob gave him reason not to.

I find that suspicious.
His last post on me:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sloonei, I'm not too sure how to answer your question with any conviction because I'm really not sure what to think of Dom. A large part of it is definitely gut, but I thought I had a bit more to town read him than I actually do, upon recollection. There's this at least:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:What would be a better answer?

An answer which details a reasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which bears the appearance of being genuine. I don't know what that'd be, but I'd imagine it's plausible for it to exist.

Dom wrote:What would be a worse answer?

An answer which details an unreasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which does not bear the appearance of being genuine. I thought you might be shading me for opportunism re: MP via implication without directly stating it, which would be a dubious assertion given the fuller context of my dialogue with MP.

To your credit, you didn't go there. You didn't provide a "reasonable perspective" either; you left your answer at its most basic: "I thought your accusation was b/s and it was a ping". It's not a thorough explanation, but it's also not one that looks made up. I can on some level appreciate the take-it-or-leave-it frankness.

This is a good point. I can believe that a baddie Dom would have engaged in the latter.

But I do see a lack of townie fire/spark in him and plenty of potential for manufactured content in his posts. I don't know. He could very easily be a mafia read; it was mostly a current gut-based assertion.

So, he gives reason to read me civ, but puts me as a weak mafia read next time he gives a rainbow.
That's strange too. His last post on me:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sloonei, I'm not too sure how to answer your question with any conviction because I'm really not sure what to think of Dom. A large part of it is definitely gut, but I thought I had a bit more to town read him than I actually do, upon recollection. There's this at least:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:What would be a better answer?

An answer which details a reasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which bears the appearance of being genuine. I don't know what that'd be, but I'd imagine it's plausible for it to exist.

Dom wrote:What would be a worse answer?

An answer which details an unreasonable perspective you have/had about what I might be doing as a baddie when I poked MP on Day 0 which does not bear the appearance of being genuine. I thought you might be shading me for opportunism re: MP via implication without directly stating it, which would be a dubious assertion given the fuller context of my dialogue with MP.

To your credit, you didn't go there. You didn't provide a "reasonable perspective" either; you left your answer at its most basic: "I thought your accusation was b/s and it was a ping". It's not a thorough explanation, but it's also not one that looks made up. I can on some level appreciate the take-it-or-leave-it frankness.

This is a good point. I can believe that a baddie Dom would have engaged in the latter.

But I do see a lack of townie fire/spark in him and plenty of potential for manufactured content in his posts. I don't know. He could very easily be a mafia read; it was mostly a current gut-based assertion.

So, he gives reason to read me civ, but puts me as a weak mafia read next time he gives a rainbow.
That's strange too.

Elaboration and justification for both would be nice.

Hey Dom, here's a response to that stuff you wanted me to respond to.

I think if you'll look in my ISO you'll see it evident that I found both Scotty and INH suspicious, but that I found an INH lynch preferable. I declared "you're bad" in response to that Scotty post because I thought it was a yucky post.

Did you find Rob's reason compelling? If so, why didn't you try to convince me and others to vote otherwise? I'd say it's pretty easy and suspicious to come in after the fact and try to point the blame squarely at me.

Regarding my read of you, my gut keeps shifting back and forth between thinking you're genuine and not, so that's why you've been shuffling between very weak town and very weak mafia. I also started questioning why I was townreading you after Sloonei inquired me and I didn't feel I had that much reason to. I'd have to ISO your content to get a better idea of where I stand on you probably because you're an enigma.

I'm satisfied with the latter answer.

The former reads strangely to me. I wasn't around for the most part-- I worked mroe than I thought I would and ran out of data on my phone. I don't know that I would have voted INH. That's not the point. My point is that you seemed to have had a stronger feeling on Scotty, but voted for INH anyway. Your deflection of this topic onto myself is not a good look.


I am letting you all know that I am ill. I am barely keeping up wtih my games and I will be a bit subdued for a few days. I apologize in advance.

Well, clearly I didn't indicate how strongly I was feeling about either of them that effectively then, because that's not how I was feeling.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm confused.

Scotty wrote:

Golden wrote:What have I become?

This can be managed. From now on, let's form a cypher from the Loren obtuse passages.

If you mean yes, or good, (or agree) post "my sweetest friend"
If you mean no, or bad, (or disagree) post "I will let you down"

My sweetest friend.

What does full of broken thoughts mean?

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm confused.

The old familiar sting

Was that an insult?

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I Like This A Lot Because It Sounds Logical and Not Angry or Annoyed or Purple Monkey Dishwasher

Golden wrote:

Boomslang wrote:against players who were attracting some heat?

Full of broken thoughts

A million miles away?

Do You Think He's Faking It?

I will let you down

Golden wrote:

Boomslang wrote:against players who were attracting some heat?

Full of broken thoughts

Full of broken thoughts!

I'm confused.

Yo Wilgy! Throw some reads at me, bud.

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Also, I find your two statements contradictory. How can he be pretty much impossible to read and yet you lean town on him?

Did you read my post? I said I leaned town on Epi because I didn't think his gimmick was doing any damage to the town effort. Beyond obfuscating his own alignment, of course.

Sloonei wrote:Why do you like Scotty avoiding the INH vote?

He had a correct read on INH and promoted that read in the thread. Had we followed that advice, it would've been profitable to the town effort. That's more town evidence than we have for most people at this point.

Also, voted the mini-market because food.

I did read it; I just don't understand how you interpret Epi's behavior as obfuscating.

I find your highlighted conclusion dubious. Accuracy does not make alignment.

Epi's posts have gotten much less obtuse as the game has gone on, I'll give you that much. So I'm stepping back from the idea of obfuscation for now. And I agree that accuracy does not make alignment. But he actively pursued other targets (Epi, BWT, JJJ) in thread instead of just saying he disagreed with the inh lynch. He could've done more late in the day, but he did offer some potential alternatives if others would've taken them.

Linki w/Golden: I don't necessarily think both are fake. But I think odds are high one is, given what we know about the roles.
Linki w/MP: Spinning my wheels here, but I'd say a mafia J could be pretending to help temper his high post count from yesterday. He came out swinging, establishing himself as a strong inquisitive force (see Scotty calling him the Spanish Inquisition, for crying out loud), and playing insanified lets him fade back a bit while retaining that impression.

Second linki: Ahh Blooper I want to post tooooo

That's all fair. Thanks for the response. I'll see whether I agree with that claim when ISO Scotty tomorrow (that's what I'm hoping to do anyway).

That's a logical conclusion. I'm not sure what I think of it. I think mafia members faking curses almost never happens, but it's possible. I've done it once before.

What do you make of JJJ's d1 behavior, Epi?

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The Golden Curse is Specific, While the Jagged Curse Would Require Wording That I Don't Believe Someone With Such a Power Would Use

What's the motivation for mafia!Jay to fake it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Mafia-aligned players have to literally manufacture every post they make.

Well There's That

Touche.