The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:16 pm are DrWilgy and DFaraday MIA?

Wilgy is, but he's in Houston madness. DF was gone until earlier in N1, but he appears to be here now.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:19 pm Speedchuck cast an interesting vote that no one is talking about. He voted for Long con to "facilitate an alternate bandwagon" to Bass, despite not having any personal reason to vote for LC. I am leaning toward liking this move. It's a bit bold and suggests that he is not overly concerned with his appearance and any potential scrutiny he might face and, while i don't ever encourage blind bandwagoning, I like that he took a stand which allowed the lynch to remain somewhat more open than if I had just hammered home another vote on the Bass wagon, in absence of a real suspicion to call his own.

Simon and dunya also voted for LC. Dunya's vote was early and she supported herself well. I don't recall seeing Simon explain his vote. Anyone have thoughts on any of these things?

I appreciate you exploring this and I agree with your perspective. I also like speedchuck's recent posts exploring Elo as bad and in general it seems to me he cares about trying to solve the game. I have a town read for speedchuck.

I also believe dunya and Simon are on the level, but I need to explore dunya's content a bit more and I need Simon to post more things.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:07 pm
malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:42 pm
malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:39 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?
I think this combined with his consumption of most of the day going round and round with LC makes him suspicious. To me at least.

Again, maybe the long-time players can correct me here, but it just seems fishy is all. I could easily be off base.
Hey, Mal.

Who is bad?
Not me?

Seriously, leaning towards MP and Eloh at this point. And maybe you, because you're posting.
Why MP? Why Eloh?
MP's devouring the entire day going after LC, then breaking off and voting for an inactive instead just... I dunno, it rubs me the wrong way. Maybe that's just a town style for him, but to me it just feels off. Especially since that can really just drown out other possible suspects. I mean, it is Day 1, so I don't necessarily believe it for certain, but if you asked me which direction I was leaning, that would be one.

As far as Eloh is concerned... I find the logic of "vote out the non-participating" in Day 1 to be a bit suspect. Now, admittedly, I'm not used to a 'plurality vote' style of game, but where I'm from it's a great way to winnow out the town before they can be replaced with active players. And then you have the shield of "well, I didn't know they were town because they didn't say anything!"

That's why I find them both suspicious at the moment. JoH I find suspicious because I always find JoH suspicious. It's just how we do things.

These are vague reasons to think I'm bad. Rubs you the wrong way why? Feels off how? How is it bad? Do you not buy the reasons I didn't want to vote for any of the other leading wagons? You need to provide more details, otherwise it looks like you're just hopping onto a convenient suspicion of the player with the most posts and the most heat on him right now with vague, made-up reasons.

speedchuck, let me catch up on this thread, do a bit of investigating into content from yesterday, and then I'll check out what you're saying re: Elo. I appreciate that you're doing some meta investigative work on that front. Elo is someone who historically is difficult to read, for me at least, so sorting her especially sooner rather than later would be ideal.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:42 pm
malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:39 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?
I think this combined with his consumption of most of the day going round and round with LC makes him suspicious. To me at least.

Again, maybe the long-time players can correct me here, but it just seems fishy is all. I could easily be off base.
I didn't go round and round with LC? I voted for him and explained why the most out of everyone else I voted for him.

Everyone else went round and round, that isn't on me.

and what is wrong with asking inactive players to be possibly replaced rather than lynched by default because they are inactive?

Asking whom? The host? Epignosis doesn't forcibly replace players from what I've seen.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:39 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?
I think this combined with his consumption of most of the day going round and round with LC makes him suspicious. To me at least.

Again, maybe the long-time players can correct me here, but it just seems fishy is all. I could easily be off base.

How is pursuing something that I thought was worthy of discussion suspicious? Would you have preferred I twiddled my thumbs and let the thread continue to be silent?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:29 pm Well, I'm getting town reads from JJJ so far

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:43 pm Oh sorry: WHY?
Jay asked three questions with bold, underlined, and italicized WHYs. My initial reaction is it's a character stipulation of some sort.
These sort of stipulations (if I am right) tend to be town-based.

I'm not sure it's a stipulation; that seems way too... obvious, I guess is the right word? I don't know why Epignosis would instill such a mechanic. I think the more likely explanation is that Jay was being quirky or just wanted to emphasize his questions so that they received answers.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?

They can, but that doesn't mean they will. We also know have at least one player (Jay) who needs a replacement. Games around here are hard enough to fill; as a host and as a player, I've seen plenty of games unfortunately where non-entities lurked into far phases of the game, where they increasingly became distracting topics of discussion and more and more of a problem.

I agree it wasn't the most ideal direction for the D1 lynch, but I personally didn't feel comfortable doing anything else. If I had spearheaded a case, it would have been a different story. At the very least, although it sucks we are down a townie, we removed this potential late-game problem from the game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:01 pm From what I recall, LC is a player who likes to be bold when he's scum. I remember a specific example from a fairly recent game, but which game it was and what exactly he did, I do not recall. It's there though. That said, I have a hard time agreeing with MP's assertion that a scum LC would "try everything possible" to avoid the spotlight. Generally a good rule to hunt by, but I don't think it applies to the player he was applying it to here:
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:01 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pmI think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.
That's ridiculous. I didn't do anything risky by agreeing that it's weird to call Dhalsim an alien.

You are bad in this game, MP. I can smell it on you. You're trying too hard on this.

*vote MovingPictures07*
That said, I found this to be a bit of an aggressive reaction from LC. While things like this also seem typical of early-game Long Con, I can't not question him a little. While I did not find him suspicious for labeling my Dhalsim alien comments "weird", I don't think it's "ridiculous" for MP to have engaged in a discussion about it in the early parts of Day 1, and I think there absolutely exists an argument for him potentially "fanning the flames" of a possible suspicion against me. It's not the argument that I would support, but I would not deny its credibility. His post history after this is almost entirely MP & Diiny-related. He gets no pings from Diiny, but does not flinch on his "MP is definitely bad" position because of what he perceives to be a dishonest handling of the situation by our Sock Commander. I do not perceive this dishonesty. I'd ask LC if he can see any town motivations for MP to have pursued this line of discussion.

I'd also ask him for fresh reads on new players. Hey LC, got any thoughts on players not named MovingPictures or Diiny?
That's a fair perspective.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:19 am
DFaraday wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:15 am Sorry! I'm here now and catching up.
Good luck. MP's been on a rampage.

If you could weigh in on Sloonei, MP, Eloh, LC, Diiny, and Simon, that seems to be the focus of discussion. And me.

Or heck, make a rainbow. The game isn't huge.
The MP/LC thing really didn't go anywhere. I don't feel like it helped anything, but I don't suspect MP for latching onto something minor, especially on Day 1.

Simon sounds like perfectly ordinary Simon to me. Eloh has been contributing and reads genuine to me.

Sloonei's posts feel good to me, and him voting Bass is sensible given his situation.

Diiny and Dunya keep getting mixed up in my mind, but I'm reading both civ. Diiny in particular comes off as supatown.

The only person I've felt any suspicion towards is Ninja. She's made a fair few posts, but not much in the way of memorable content. She's coming across as noncommittal to me.

EBWOP: I'm not one to go for meta, but Eloh's contributions this game feel in keeping with her usual civ style, I think.

I'm slightly townreading DF for this. He came into the game and provided these thoughts as quickly as he could. They're succinct but they seem legitimately supported at face value. I like it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:38 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:48 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:50 am @Speedchuck

What do you think of Eloh?
ISO'd her just now.

I give it 65% odds she's bad.
Why?

Sloonei, I need you to step it up here. Please share literally whatever thoughts you have about any of the players in the game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:52 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:48 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:50 am @Speedchuck

What do you think of Eloh?
ISO'd her just now.

I give it 65% odds she's bad.
Assume Eloh is bad (cause this is otherwise a worthless exercise).

What do you make of her vote and interactions when it comes to Sloonei, Simon, MP and Blooper?

What are you hoping to gain from this exercise?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:48 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:50 am @Speedchuck

What do you think of Eloh?
ISO'd her just now.

I give it 65% odds she's bad.

Care to elaborate?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:12 pm Hey y'all,

Regrettably I have decided it is necessary for me to request replacement in this game. I expected to have some trouble with graduate school starting right now, but I can already tell that it's going to be worse than "some trouble". I doubt I'll be able to keep up with the thread consistently, and you'll be better off with someone who can. I need to focus on my work for the foreseeable future, and this is a distraction I can't have. That's no slight on the game or its players though. It'll be tougher yet when my heist begins.

This is the first time I have ever asked out of a game. I hate to do it. I appreciate the effort I have seen thus far though; maintain it through the finish. My parting advice is this: ensure you use every single nugget of evidence in this thread to your advantage, even if you think it seems small. Analyze dead baddies for their interactions. Cross reference claims and assertions against thread data within the ISOs. Analyze. Intuit. Play hard. Work together. I know these things sound obvious, but I can't count the number of times I have watched towns waste solving opportunities right in front of them. Replacement: do me proud, sir/ma'am -- I'm doing this with the expectation that you'll be better able to contribute than I.

Have fun everyone. Hopefully I can play again relatively soon.

That's unfortunate, as I was looking forward to playing with you again, but completely understandable. Good luck with starting your PhD journey.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:41 am Okay, bearing in mind that I don't know that much about the meta here save JoH, so I get to be like the ghost of Gary Gygax and say "Jesus Hates Metagamers"

* Not sure about Sloonei right now, but the fact that Elohcin broke the tie in favor of Bass just to make sure Sloonei wasn't lynched doesn't sit well with me. Especially since Bass was town. Not saying that Elochin is scum from that alone, but it definitely moves them up the suspect ladder to me.

* I really don't like the LC/MP discussion as that just seemed to chew up the entire day phase and felt like it was going around in circles. My experience is that, especially with veteran players, that signals opposing factions more often than not. So I think one of them is probably scum. Which one I'm not sure on just yet, though MP looks a bit worse to me just because it feels like they try to dominate the day conversation so it goes the way they want it to go (and not towards their allies).

* And my sole meta-read! JoH strikes me as pretty solid on the town so far. He's not really defending people that I can read on a quick scan, nor is he being overly accusatory to deflect off of him. Let me read more when I have had caffeine and I might say more than that.

Also not used to talking during night phases. This is weird, but kinda cool.

Are you proposing that Elohcin is scum because you believe Sloonei is scum and she saved him? If so, how can you fall into this line of thinking if you're "not sure" about Sloonei; doesn't Elohcin being scum in that scenario directly depend on a scenario in which Sloonei is scum?

I dominate the conversation to facilitate conversation. The only way this game can be solved is by getting everyone to talk about everyone else as much as possible. If you think I'm suspicious for trying my best to do that, so be it; I'm just playing the game as best as I can, even if it may seem verbose or sloppy to some.

What specifically about the discussion felt like it was going around in circles?

Do you have any other reads?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:26 am Dii is prob town, I think. Despite this next comment.

The push on LC to clarify why he didn't use OT green text to comment on sloonei is pretty much the silliest (to use a nice word) exchange I've ever seen. It made LC look better for no reason. I'm not going to read into the thing on LC much. LC's defense was good, but any townie or scummie can defend against a stupid argument. Hmph.

Tinfoil MP/LC scumteam, with all the buddying and false accusations between them. Just doesn't sit well with me.

My Sloonei vote was random but I'd hoped the pressure would get him to do something. It didn't.

I want some non-role-related reads from Simon.

That's pretty much all I got from reading D1: A Rambly Discourse from MP.

Why is Diiny probably town in your eyes?

How does this make you feel about Sloonei, GTH?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:13 am
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:24 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:12 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:07 pm Hmm...kind of both actually. When I read her poats, I hear her excited voice. She seems overly happy. Is this just RL infiltrating her mafia meta? Is it that she is bad and wxcited about her role and being on a btsc team? I am unsure as of yet.
Thanks for the elaboration! That's an interesting observation. I'll agree that she is a bit more posty than a typical game although not completely out of character (see: Clue where she and I chatted a lot on D1, if I recall correctly), but I haven't found anything questionable in her content. She could be bad I suppose and hiding behind a lurker vote to avoid having to fake suspicions, and so I questioned her a bit earlier, but I don't have any reason to believe to be true at the moment.

Do you have any thoughts on any of the RYM-based players (Diiny, dunya, Jay, Sloonei) or anyone else for that matter? I assume you would have stated something outstanding otherwise when you said stuff about me/LC/Simon, but I figured it doesn't hurt to ask.
I don't have anything to say about the RYM players as it will take me a bit to get to know them first, I think.

You're right that voting blooper really does no good anyway. It would just make it easier for mafia to blend.

I don't have anything to say about the current wagons. I don't understand them, tbh.

I guess I need to vote before going to watch tv with Epi and going to bed. My eyea burn, I'm so tired. Um......has bass even poated anything all game?
Yuck yuck.

Eloh follows this up by voting Bass for the stated purpose of saving Sloonei.

Do you find it unbelievable that a town Elo would come into the thread, read it hastily, and not understand any of the arguments made by/about Sloonei, you, etc.?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:58 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:41 pmHence part of my suspicion of MP and his accusations of LC falling flat.
As MP may or may not tell you, he actually defended me.

To avoid misinterpretation or whatever: I believe this is mild buddying.
I don't buy that MP totally thinks you're civ for a second.

Explain this.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:41 pmHence part of my suspicion of MP and his accusations of LC falling flat.
As MP may or may not tell you, he actually defended me.

To avoid misinterpretation or whatever: I believe this is mild buddying.
Felt like a backtrack for sure.

Him heavily townreading me after I made one joke post also reads as buddying. It has been stated that I tend to read based on myself more than I really should. I've been wary of buddying attempts of late, especially from Mass Effect players.

Please display where I heavily townread you, because I don't believe I ever said such a thing. I did you throw you into my townreads based on gut really, but that's about it. If you think that's buddying, OK, that accusation is hurled at me nearly every game. I like to focus on town reads, so it's a byproduct of that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:52 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:57 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:40 pm Hi Blooper!
I'll get the hang of nicknames soon enough

Good luck town! It's 12.40am in Sweden and Monday morning emplloyment awaits.
Ooo, Sweden. I'm fascinated by other places because I've never been off the east coast of the United States.

I think Simon is civ. I agree with MP that his contributions seem solid. I will also say that Simon is right in that we were talking about street fighter costumes for Halloween. We like to dress up as a family sometimes and I was asking who Abigail (my daughter) and I could be. I was unsure of how many girls were in the game. And I brought up how the characters wear almost nothing and we couldn't dress like skanks (well ever!) but specifically at the end of October. Anyway. That's all I'll say about that.

I don't think LC is bad at this time. I'll tell you if I change my mind on that.

I don't think MP is bad atm either. He likes to get his boxers in a bunch Day 1, I've learned thia of him. So I don't pay him any mind.

I don't know who is bad yet, but if I had to guess it would be niju. She is awful chatty for her meta. Maybe she is just happy with that new ring on her finger. But she is definitely acting outside her usual self.

Also, sorry for not being present today. I was out all day with lots to do.
I don't like this handwavy defense of MP.

I don't like her town reading Simon when all Simon has done is town read her. Reads like a congratulations for reaching a conclusion she wants.

(I almost always scumread Eloh but she's almost always bad when we play together.)

Why?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:41 pmHence part of my suspicion of MP and his accusations of LC falling flat.
As MP may or may not tell you, he actually defended me.

To avoid misinterpretation or whatever: I believe this is mild buddying.

Just to be clear: You believe what is mild buddying, what JOH is doing or what I am doing or something else?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:46 pm dunya know the difference?

Post of the game right here folks.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:43 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:27 pm
Diiny wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:22 pm gah no roleclaiming/outing really goes against my instincts

how have you found adapting, JJJ? iirc that's how the majority of games are played here
Does this post seem forced to anyone else?

I'm not necessarily scum-reading Diiny for it, but something is off. It just seems to me Diiny is struggling coming up with conversation, but it's striking to me that he singled out Jay only for this inquiry.
i doubt diiny has bstc
i meant dunya
confused y'all.

Okay, well ignore my other question, but what led you to this conclusion?

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:42 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:16 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:42 pm
Diiny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:31 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:15 pm I'm cautious because this is me. If I were to display any amount of confidence on Day 1 I'd be full on in MP hurricane mode based on very little and that typically doesn't end as well for town as I'd like it to, to put it lightly. I find that town benefits much better from me being cautious than careless.
I remember you being a tad more brazen than this in our games on OT. I like that you've stuck your neck out for some people, but tbh conversely that ties in with my fear of you treading very lightly.

If you had to choose right now, who's scum? Is your vote staying on squid? show me some fire without any actual consequences.
Probably. I'm sure I'll get brazen at some point here too like I almost always do, but my record at actually catching scum when I put my foot full on the brakes is almost certainly laughably bad. Especially early on in games the past couple of years, I try to be as measured as possible, but I'll still poke something if I feel there's something worth poking. As the game progresses I'll probably be more likely to pursue something doggedly. It depends inevitably on what happens though. If I really thought there was something super suspicious in the thread right now I'd be all over it, I think anyway. As it stands, unfortunately I think this game is a more typical Day 1 -- there's a bunch of weaksauce cases to be made that may or may not be totally legit, and I'm not in love with any of them -- specifically, the thoughts people have said re: any of the players with votes right now (Sloonei, JOH, LC, and speedchuck). With that said, however, I'm most potentially swayed by dunya's observation of LC. Just not ready to pull the trigger on it. Not convinced in the slightest by any of the others.

If I had to choose right now... ugh. I'm terrible at scum reads early in the game and these days much prefer to play POE for the first phase or two because I think it plays to my strengths. That said, I suppose I'd pick two or three of Bass, DFaraday, Dom, DrWilgy, Elohcin, and malakim to be bad (and which I choose would be basically luck at this point because none of them have literally anything substantial to judge), and then one of the players with votes right now that have some heat (JOH, Sloonei, LC, speedchuck -- GTH I'd pick LC), and then one of the more talkative bunch so far (you, Jay, dunya, Sloonei again, Blooper -- GTH I'd pick Jay). So LC, Jay, and two lurkers basically. I think.

As for what I'd do with my vote, it's very likely moving away from Blooper. I don't feel anything bad about her right now; it was basically RVS. I'd most likely vote for Bass. Not sure yet. It'd be nice if more folks popped in here soon so I can sort through how everyone else is feeling.
I hate this post. Whole lotta nothing. Like trying to guess the plot of a show. But there is no script, no writer playing up drama, just players playing and thus, no strength behind these ideas.

I dislike his interactions with LC a lot (in that LC comes out on top and MP comes across dishonest) and of course, his push on Bass, a townie.

At this point, MP is my top suspect.
this is a decent analysis.

specifically, i hate when mp lectures people on his own meta.

What about it is an analysis, and what about it is decent? What specifically do you find agreeable? I don't see any analysis. I just see someone stating an opinion that I'm being dishonest without any specific details. So what do you agree with exactly?

And I apologize to you and anyone else if I ever come across like I'm lecturing. That is not my intention. With that said, it'd be nice if we can keep from criticizing each other's playstyle because lord knows there are plenty of things you all do that annoy me in the moment of the game, but I don't feel like it's constructive to criticize each other, so let's please not bash my or anyone else's playstyle, thanks.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:54 pm I am thoroughly underwhelmed by a Bass lynch. This is laziness. I can on rare occasion understand lynching a total lurker on a Day 1 wherein the participate rate is abysmal and there's nothing to work with, but this one hasn't been bad. There are plenty of posts, though I admit that I haven't read them all yet.
criticizes everyone
doesn't offer alternative

is bad.

To be fair, that's not true. Jay did suggest an alternative: Sloonei.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:27 pm
Diiny wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:22 pm gah no roleclaiming/outing really goes against my instincts

how have you found adapting, JJJ? iirc that's how the majority of games are played here
Does this post seem forced to anyone else?

I'm not necessarily scum-reading Diiny for it, but something is off. It just seems to me Diiny is struggling coming up with conversation, but it's striking to me that he singled out Jay only for this inquiry.
i doubt diiny has bstc

How did you come to this conclusion?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:16 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:42 pm
Diiny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:31 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 7:15 pm I'm cautious because this is me. If I were to display any amount of confidence on Day 1 I'd be full on in MP hurricane mode based on very little and that typically doesn't end as well for town as I'd like it to, to put it lightly. I find that town benefits much better from me being cautious than careless.
I remember you being a tad more brazen than this in our games on OT. I like that you've stuck your neck out for some people, but tbh conversely that ties in with my fear of you treading very lightly.

If you had to choose right now, who's scum? Is your vote staying on squid? show me some fire without any actual consequences.
Probably. I'm sure I'll get brazen at some point here too like I almost always do, but my record at actually catching scum when I put my foot full on the brakes is almost certainly laughably bad. Especially early on in games the past couple of years, I try to be as measured as possible, but I'll still poke something if I feel there's something worth poking. As the game progresses I'll probably be more likely to pursue something doggedly. It depends inevitably on what happens though. If I really thought there was something super suspicious in the thread right now I'd be all over it, I think anyway. As it stands, unfortunately I think this game is a more typical Day 1 -- there's a bunch of weaksauce cases to be made that may or may not be totally legit, and I'm not in love with any of them -- specifically, the thoughts people have said re: any of the players with votes right now (Sloonei, JOH, LC, and speedchuck). With that said, however, I'm most potentially swayed by dunya's observation of LC. Just not ready to pull the trigger on it. Not convinced in the slightest by any of the others.

If I had to choose right now... ugh. I'm terrible at scum reads early in the game and these days much prefer to play POE for the first phase or two because I think it plays to my strengths. That said, I suppose I'd pick two or three of Bass, DFaraday, Dom, DrWilgy, Elohcin, and malakim to be bad (and which I choose would be basically luck at this point because none of them have literally anything substantial to judge), and then one of the players with votes right now that have some heat (JOH, Sloonei, LC, speedchuck -- GTH I'd pick LC), and then one of the more talkative bunch so far (you, Jay, dunya, Sloonei again, Blooper -- GTH I'd pick Jay). So LC, Jay, and two lurkers basically. I think.

As for what I'd do with my vote, it's very likely moving away from Blooper. I don't feel anything bad about her right now; it was basically RVS. I'd most likely vote for Bass. Not sure yet. It'd be nice if more folks popped in here soon so I can sort through how everyone else is feeling.
I hate this post. Whole lotta nothing. Like trying to guess the plot of a show. But there is no script, no writer playing up drama, just players playing and thus, no strength behind these ideas.

I dislike his interactions with LC a lot (in that LC comes out on top and MP comes across dishonest) and of course, his push on Bass, a townie.

At this point, MP is my top suspect.

I don't care if you hate it; why would this make me bad?

What specifically do you dislike about my interactions with LC? Point out what comes across as dishonest.

Blaming me for a townie death seems awfully convenient. I take full responsibility for my vote, but I wasn't the only one to vote for Bass, and I'm never going to be right all of the time. His alignment basically came down to a coin flip. Turns out this was a bad one. Oh well. It happens. If I hadn't done anything, we would have had an unknown entity flying through to LYLO because he would have likely not gotten forcibly replaced. I've seen it happen too many times before, and I didn't feel comfortable enough voting elsewhere. You think that's bad, that's your prerogative, but it's not.

Ugh. RIP Bass.

I'll be back later just to check the result, otherwise I won't have much time for the next 24 hours because I need to work ridiculous hours tomorrow. BBL. Fingers crossed.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:05 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:57 pm Gonna facilitate a counter wagon on LC, in case he's bad or something.

God, I am so getting lynched for my lack of involvement today. Whatever.
Is this based on anything in LC's posts, or is it essentially random? The wording has me confused.
Essentially random. I have nothing on LC or Bass. Or Sloon. I thought we had 48 hours and Sloonei is a reliable player, so I was going to see how he responded.

Brain fart on that one.

And I'm not a huge fan of the "tie meta", at least not for voter analysis. Maybe it's hypocritical since I haven't read the day, but I'm sick of tie-ing every D1 up. I will straight up change my vote to Bass if you make this a 3-way tie.

I wasn't going to anyway; I'm just feeling nervous about this result, despite being the one to initially suggest it. I got a big plate of nothing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:00 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:54 pm Jay, is there anything else you can specifically say re: Sloonei that might help me see what you're finding suspicious? I read what you had to say, Diiny echoed those thoughts, and I went back and reread Sloonei's posts, particularly those in the exchange in question, and I'm not seeing it. I feel as though Sloonei responded pretty much in-kind with what was thrown at him.
I think his initial reception of the silly "alien" accusations looked dubious, like someone swatting away accusations instead of someone exploring accusations (the latter is something I associate with high-facilitation players like Sloonei). I don't see much evidence in the rest of his posts that he is trying to solve the situation. He wrote off the initial two (LC and Jack) and barely went at speedchuck.

I don't pretend this stuff is severely damning, but it's what has most caught my attention this Day 1.

What do you mean by "in-kind" in your description? How does that project to a supportive take on Sloonei like yours?

I don't know; I just looked at it again and it seemed like an entirely natural response to have I guess. What do you mean by solve the situation?

I suppose I just don't see why anyone would expect Sloonei to come back guns ablazing to any of the accusations? I mean, he could have made more of an effort to scumhunt, sure, but that could have been said of nearly all of us for the game until just 4-5 hours ago probably, and even still for half of the players.

I would call Sloonei's play this game underwhelming, but not suspicious. I would assert part of my defense of him was gut -- he was in the thread when I joined it earlier today in real time, along with dunya as well, and his posts read genuine. Seemed to me he was just the victim of RVS. Not fighting hard to save his life by any means, sure, but I'm not sure why that is suspicious?

It's entirely possible Sloonei is bad, but I saw nothing that made me seriously consider it during this first phase.

I wish we knew what happened in the event of tie.

Ugh. Here I have been advocating against lynching Sloonei and yet a small part of me wants to move my vote there to make it a tie for some insane reason thinking that I'm just missing something completely.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:57 pm Gonna facilitate a counter wagon on LC, in case he's bad or something.

God, I am so getting lynched for my lack of involvement today. Whatever.

Is this based on anything in LC's posts, or is it essentially random? The wording has me confused.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:55 pm This is a bloody ton of posts. I forgot this was 24 hours. Glad we aren't actually lynching Sloon, I thought that was a joke. No way I'm going to catch up tonight, I have to get up before 6 tomorrow.

I'll try to do some analysis night 1.

Sorry guys. I won't be verbally spewing this much in future cycles, I promise, though I'll still try to contribute however I can as much as I can. This is basically how I spent my free time today. I haven't played in too long clearly.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:54 pm I am thoroughly underwhelmed by a Bass lynch. This is laziness. I can on rare occasion understand lynching a total lurker on a Day 1 wherein the participate rate is abysmal and there's nothing to work with, but this one hasn't been bad. There are plenty of posts, though I admit that I haven't read them all yet.

I respectfully disagree; I got nothing incriminating out of this thread today. But if you have some convincing interpretations of stuff once you catch up, I'd love to hear it.

Jay, is there anything else you can specifically say re: Sloonei that might help me see what you're finding suspicious? I read what you had to say, Diiny echoed those thoughts, and I went back and reread Sloonei's posts, particularly those in the exchange in question, and I'm not seeing it. I feel as though Sloonei responded pretty much in-kind with what was thrown at him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:49 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:47 pmI feel good about half the players at the moment, including almost all of the active players, excluding you and Elo.
What's holding you back from voting Elo or I?

I don't really feel either of you is suspicious; I just haven't town read you either. I haven't had the chance to mindmeld with you yet so I'm maybe tinfoiling a bit, and Elo wasn't really active until just recently, and while I don't agree with her Blooper suspicion, she seems genuine GTH. And both of you have contributed adequately I suppose.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

Diiny asked this earlier, but thought I'd @mention you. How will ties be handled?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:42 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:39 pmWhy is that gross? We have a bad habit of letting lurkers live way longer than they should around here. I can try to generate discussion until I'm blue in the face in the hopes of uncovering something I think is shifty, but if at the end of the day, I still think this is the best way to cast my vote, how is that gross? Should I force myself to feel suspicion against someone that I don't?

It's someone that I'm actively scum reading.
I'm not suggesting you should force yourself to have suspicions. I am suggesting that it's hard to believe that you don't have them naturally.

I don't, sorry. I wish I did honestly. I suppose I have had some vague gut reactions to various posts, including to you and Diiny, but nothing that wasn't adequately addressed for the time being or worthy of my vote. I also thought dunya made a potentially compelling point about LC, but I'm townreading him for other reasons and my gut doesn't agree with it. Anyway, you'll see for yourself when you have time to read; just let me know what questions you have, if any, once you've done so.

I know I'm not good at scumhunting; I've been trying more to townhunt instead. I suppose I haven't tried hard enough, I have tried to engage with people in real time for the last few hours though. I feel good about half the players at the moment, including almost all of the active players, excluding you and Elo. I'm sure some or most of it will reset after this result though and I'll need to start pushing people back down into neutralzone to sort them out better. Nearly half the player list hasn't said anything of substance, really, so that doesn't help either. Hopefully that'll change soon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:36 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:28 pm MP, I don't have time to sift through your already insane post count (good lord, man) to find explanations. Why Bass? Please answer with brevity.
Basically what I said here still applies. I don't have an active suspect, so I'd rather lynch a non-poster who has a record of signing up for games and occasionally never showing up. I've thoroughly worked through my thoughts on other players in the game, namely the other wagons but also a few others (yourself included), and do not find any of them worthy of a vote at this time.
You're telling me you have made 100 posts on Day 1 so you can conclude with a lynch of someone with zero posts? That's gross.

What exactly is an "active suspect" in this context? I'm trying to understand how you can have dedicated so much thought to the game already, as is necessitated by your post count, without drawing a stronger conclusion than "vote a lurker".

Why is that gross? We have a bad habit of letting lurkers live way longer than they should around here. I can try to generate discussion until I'm blue in the face in the hopes of uncovering something I think is shifty, but if at the end of the day, I still think this is the best way to cast my vote, how is that gross? Should I force myself to feel suspicion against someone that I don't?

It's someone that I'm actively scum reading.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:35 pm I don't think sloonei deserves to go since he's at least participating. Ill vot bass to help him out. May it not come to bite me in the ass later on.

@dunya

Elo just voted and shows up before me and Blooper as voting Bass, so this serves as a confirmation that the poll system currently does not reflect the vote order.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:28 pm MP, I don't have time to sift through your already insane post count (good lord, man) to find explanations. Why Bass? Please answer with brevity.

Basically what I said here still applies. I don't have an active suspect, so I'd rather lynch a non-poster who has a record of signing up for games and occasionally never showing up. I've thoroughly worked through my thoughts on other players in the game, namely the other wagons but also a few others (yourself included), and do not find any of them worthy of a vote at this time.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:24 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:12 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:07 pm Hmm...kind of both actually. When I read her poats, I hear her excited voice. She seems overly happy. Is this just RL infiltrating her mafia meta? Is it that she is bad and wxcited about her role and being on a btsc team? I am unsure as of yet.
Thanks for the elaboration! That's an interesting observation. I'll agree that she is a bit more posty than a typical game although not completely out of character (see: Clue where she and I chatted a lot on D1, if I recall correctly), but I haven't found anything questionable in her content. She could be bad I suppose and hiding behind a lurker vote to avoid having to fake suspicions, and so I questioned her a bit earlier, but I don't have any reason to believe to be true at the moment.

Do you have any thoughts on any of the RYM-based players (Diiny, dunya, Jay, Sloonei) or anyone else for that matter? I assume you would have stated something outstanding otherwise when you said stuff about me/LC/Simon, but I figured it doesn't hurt to ask.
I don't have anything to say about the RYM players as it will take me a bit to get to know them first, I think.

You're right that voting blooper really does no good anyway. It would just make it easier for mafia to blend.

I don't have anything to say about the current wagons. I don't understand them, tbh.

I guess I need to vote before going to watch tv with Epi and going to bed. My eyea burn, I'm so tired. Um......has bass even poated anything all game?

You don't know Jay and Sloonei?

He has not. Neither has DF.

I have 95 posts.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:33 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:28 pm "...I'll just be limiting myself..."

That's what they (we) all say in the beginning.
Yeah, I've said that so many times before and ended up being my usual high poster self, but I mean it this time.

Dammit, guys.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:09 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:07 pm Hmm...kind of both actually. When I read her poats, I hear her excited voice. She seems overly happy. Is this just RL infiltrating her mafia meta? Is it that she is bad and wxcited about her role and being on a btsc team? I am unsure as of yet.
Does Blooper play SF? Does she like being bad or particularly like SF villains?

Is there IRL reason for her to come across extra cheerful?

She did just get engaged.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:09 pm I hate to vote her, but after catching up, this is all I have to go on. What do you think?

I personally wouldn't be willing to vote for Blooper, but you clearly have a gut-based reason for doing so, so if that's what you're feeling, by all means feel free to go for it -- though with less than an hour to go until the deadline, your vote likely won't have any impact on who is actually lynched. Do you have thoughts on any of the other current wagons?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:08 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:58 pm @LC

Why is MP a suspect?

I'm reading this thread like I eat a burger, from both ends to meet/meat in the middle.
His treatment of the Dhalsim-alien situation is false. He's been talking about it, deciding out loud whether or not he thinks it's suspicious, defending me mildly about it, when he should have been saying "This isn't worth discussing because neither player was leveling anything close to a serious suspicion. It was talk about a character, that was all."

You would almost never catch me saying something isn't worth discussing.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:07 pm Hmm...kind of both actually. When I read her poats, I hear her excited voice. She seems overly happy. Is this just RL infiltrating her mafia meta? Is it that she is bad and wxcited about her role and being on a btsc team? I am unsure as of yet.

Thanks for the elaboration! That's an interesting observation. I'll agree that she is a bit more posty than a typical game although not completely out of character (see: Clue where she and I chatted a lot on D1, if I recall correctly), but I haven't found anything questionable in her content. She could be bad I suppose and hiding behind a lurker vote to avoid having to fake suspicions, and so I questioned her a bit earlier, but I don't have any reason to believe to be true at the moment.

Do you have any thoughts on any of the RYM-based players (Diiny, dunya, Jay, Sloonei) or anyone else for that matter? I assume you would have stated something outstanding otherwise when you said stuff about me/LC/Simon, but I figured it doesn't hurt to ask.

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