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- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:51 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Night 4]
What the...?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:47 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I also feel like you're holding me to a double standard, DDL, that you aren't meeting yourself.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:46 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
If you really don't think I've made every action this game with the intent to catch baddies, then by all means, vote for me. I don't know what else I could possibly do. This is supatown MP. I've put literally every bit of time and thought into this game that I possibly can.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No.MovingPictures07 wrote: Do you really think I need to convince anyone that I'm doing something this game?
But you need to convince us you are doing it with the intent to catch baddies.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:45 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
DDL, I feel like you're holding my play to an impossible standard that I cannot possibly meet.
The truth is I've been consistently paralyzed by indecision, especially because I'm going out of my way to NOT tunnel anyone. It's difficult to decide how to cast my vote. I'm trying my best, just like everyone else is.
Despite being proud of my civilian gameplay in Economics, the truth is that I still tunneled G-Man and aether, and was wrong on both of them. If I had been more willing to consider their behavior from another perspective, I could have realized that I was examining them unfairly.
The truth is I've been consistently paralyzed by indecision, especially because I'm going out of my way to NOT tunnel anyone. It's difficult to decide how to cast my vote. I'm trying my best, just like everyone else is.
Despite being proud of my civilian gameplay in Economics, the truth is that I still tunneled G-Man and aether, and was wrong on both of them. If I had been more willing to consider their behavior from another perspective, I could have realized that I was examining them unfairly.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:42 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Do you really think I need to convince anyone that I'm doing something this game?Dragon D. Luffy wrote:It's not your playstyle. I love your civ playstyle.MovingPictures07 wrote:Look, I'm all for you analyzing me. I'm all for analysis of everyone. I'm fine with getting suspected. I'm fine with you knocking me out of my comfort zone. I know I'm not above suspicion or any of that, just like all of you folks.
What I'm NOT fine with is sinking hours upon hours of time into this game, hearing implications that my way of playing is wrong, and then getting told how to play.
I apologize if that's not what you folks were implying, but I felt like statements were going from what were suspicions of me to criticizing my way of playing this game, which I already got enough of earlier from G-Man.
It's how you are applying it in this game.
It's not working.
Which makes me think you are a baddie who is intentionally using your civ playstyle in an ineffective way.
Every time you ask a player A, with 30 minutes left in the poll, what they think of player B, despite the fact neither player A or player B are getting any votes in the poll, I can't help but think you are doing that just to make it look like you're doing something when you aren't.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:42 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I'm not huffy. I apologize for getting so, even if only for a few minutes.Scotty wrote:At the risk of making you huffy again, calm down for a sec.MovingPictures07 wrote:What the hell was wrong with my vote last night? You're placing that lynch result on ME? That's bullshit.
I can't believe I'm being grilled for actually participating in an EoD and contemplating my vote as much as I possibly can before I cast it.
Excuse me, but I actually care if I'm lynching or mislynching.
Your vote WASN'T the be-all-end-all of last night. It WAS, however, objectively the last vote cast. I'm not accusing you for that. Contemplating your vote is one thing, but attempting to be on top of the vote to, I'm assuming, sway the vote in the favor you think is a shady move. DDL is right. Asking questions the last 30 minutes isn't going to solve our problems, and your doing so on Day 1 lynched me, on Day 3 didn't lynch your 2nd pick. It didn't help anyone.
You are free to vote however and whenever you want, correct. But why save it to the end?
You're entitled to think that. I, personally, think EoD can be a wonderful way to get mafia to reveal themselves through questioning and pressure, and the closer it gets to the end of the vote, the more opportunity for that you have. I've seen that in action in recent games I've played, mostly on RYM. I like it. I understand you may find it suspicious or illogical.
Asking questions is OK at any time.
I didn't lynch you on Day 1, what do you mean?
On reflection, I realize my Day 3 vote was not cast optimally. I can recognize that fact. I already lamented it before DH flipped mafia. But I want to vote the player I most suspect, if at all possible.
Why not save it until the end? Who knows what will happen in EoD? It puts pressure on mafia as much as it does on civilians.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:38 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Look, I'm all for you analyzing me. I'm all for analysis of everyone. I'm fine with getting suspected. I'm fine with you knocking me out of my comfort zone. I know I'm not above suspicion or any of that, just like all of you folks.
What I'm NOT fine with is sinking hours upon hours of time into this game, hearing implications that my way of playing is wrong, and then getting told how to play.
I apologize if that's not what you folks were implying, but I felt like statements were going from what were suspicions of me to criticizing my way of playing this game, which I already got enough of earlier from G-Man.
What I'm NOT fine with is sinking hours upon hours of time into this game, hearing implications that my way of playing is wrong, and then getting told how to play.
I apologize if that's not what you folks were implying, but I felt like statements were going from what were suspicions of me to criticizing my way of playing this game, which I already got enough of earlier from G-Man.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:33 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I'm fine with an espers/ika lynch, or even a LoRab lynch I suppose, but I'm voting Cookie.
I'm leaving now, I'm sort of pissed, frankly, and I'm not going to keep posting while feeling this way.
I'm leaving now, I'm sort of pissed, frankly, and I'm not going to keep posting while feeling this way.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:32 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I don't give a shit if my behavior makes you antsy, DDL or Scotty. You'll have to excuse me for getting pissy, but I've invested a lot in this game, and I'm baddie hunting to the best of my ability. I'd appreciate it if you didn't criticize my style, especially given the time I've sunk into this Day phase.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:31 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
What the hell was wrong with my vote last night? You're placing that lynch result on ME? That's bullshit.
I can't believe I'm being grilled for actually participating in an EoD and contemplating my vote as much as I possibly can before I cast it.
Excuse me, but I actually care if I'm lynching or mislynching.
I can't believe I'm being grilled for actually participating in an EoD and contemplating my vote as much as I possibly can before I cast it.
Excuse me, but I actually care if I'm lynching or mislynching.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:29 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I know how many minutes I have.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:You have 20 minutes to decide your lynch. But you keep acting like you have 5 hours. It's decision time, man. Nobody has time to answer to your endless questions. It's time to move to the part where you weigh your suspects and make your decision.
Yes I do have some nerve. I'm doing that because I think you're mafia. If later you flip civ, I'll apologize for everything. But now I don't think you'll flip civ.
Then why didn't you vote for me?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:28 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Why would I not wait until the last possible minute to cast my vote?Scotty wrote:MP, then vote. DDL does make a point. Most people have voted already, and right now it's looking espers is getting lynched. What are you going to do
I'm still mulling over all of the options, but I'm almost certainly going to vote for Cookie. But I don't know.
Allow me to cast my vote on my own terms, please.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:24 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Yet another Day period where I didn't ISO DDL and I ask myself why. You have some nerve to tell me that I don't care about the current lynches, DDL.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:23 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Do you want an EoD where everyone just pops in and votes for the player they already decided on 5 hours ago, and doesn't ever question their own thoughts on anyone else? I don't.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No, I'm not. I've watched two EOD's where MP keeps flip-flopping around literally everybody while asking random "what do you think about X" questions before finally settling down for a vote that did not change anything in the lynch.MovingPictures07 wrote:Are you kidding me right now?Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No, I'd rather seeing you focusing on the current lynch. For a change.MovingPictures07 wrote:Order them, now. (Applying the pressure).Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No specific order.MovingPictures07 wrote:Re: your suspicions, in that order? aka LoRab most likely?
Do you think ika's alignment is important enough that he should be lynched soon/today?
Re: Scotty, I understand. However, I think you missed the point of my question. Is it possible you suspect my behavior during EoD D1 because you don't agree with my thoughts on Scotty? If it were someone else you did agree with, do you think you would you view it differently?
I'm not voting ika today. Call me frivolous, but I want to have some sportsmanship. I wanna give the guy one day, and one vote, to judge him. Day 5 I'll judge him normally, though.
Here's a gun to the head for you: Cookie, ika or LoRab. Go.
Disagree with my methods if you want, but to say that I actually am never focusing on the current lynch is absurd, and actually pings me considerably, good sir.
I already told you about my D1 and D3 votes. I had no idea how those votes were going to end. I didn't know whether people were going to follow me on Scotty or Cookie. I voted the way I wanted to vote.
Out of those three? GTH Cookie.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:20 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I actually agree with ika. We shouldn't give him a pass today. That was my point earlier today when I said we shouldn't give replacements more of a chance than we would if they had never been replaced.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:18 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Nite 3]
Are you kidding me right now?Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No, I'd rather seeing you focusing on the current lynch. For a change.MovingPictures07 wrote:Order them, now. (Applying the pressure).Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No specific order.MovingPictures07 wrote:Re: your suspicions, in that order? aka LoRab most likely?
Do you think ika's alignment is important enough that he should be lynched soon/today?
Re: Scotty, I understand. However, I think you missed the point of my question. Is it possible you suspect my behavior during EoD D1 because you don't agree with my thoughts on Scotty? If it were someone else you did agree with, do you think you would you view it differently?
I'm not voting ika today. Call me frivolous, but I want to have some sportsmanship. I wanna give the guy one day, and one vote, to judge him. Day 5 I'll judge him normally, though.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:18 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Updated list of the players that I'm currently considering for my D4 vote, from least to most likely:
Elohcin
LoRab
Cookie
espers / ika
Russtifinko
Elohcin
LoRab
Cookie
espers / ika
Russtifinko
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:17 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
He's still in the "red" area of my propensity-to-vote, if that makes sense.Ricochet wrote:So do you still think he's Mafia and want to vote him? These "I understand" posts after heaving hunting on someone are also a bit of a leitmotif in your repertoire.MovingPictures07 wrote:I understand, Russ. I just hope to see more thought process from you, because otherwise it's difficult to discern whether you are latching onto suspicions for convenience or whether you just haven't been fully articulating why you suspect whom you suspect. Does that make sense?Russtifinko wrote:Can't say I'm shocked MP is suspecting me. Bring it on, chum!
Imma go ahead and vote espers/ika for tonight, though. I don't see anything convincing me otherwise, and someone's gotta get to the polls here.
Linki: Hmm. Well, MP, I guess to respond to the majority of your points, I haven't said most of the things I brought up because I haven't posted much at all about anything. As I said, that's changing today, so I'm saying what's on my mind.
As to being noncommittal, I feel like every time I've posted I've tried to be super clear about what I think of whom, since I haven't been posting much otherwise. Yeah, my mind has changed on some people, and yeah, since I haven't posted as much you haven't gotten to see the full progression of those changes. Saying I'm not committing too any reads is probably overplaying your hand tho.
Double Linki: Let me post! And stop it with the living rooms!
link: get what gender right? LoRab is f
As I've explained earlier, I'm just trying to avoid tunneling players to death, because I've done it in game after game, and it's not an effective method of baddie hunting at all. Trying to understand your suspect's point of view can help you realize whether you're being unreasonable in your thoughts.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:15 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Noted, guys. My accusation isn't forced, I can tell you that. But I think it's odd that Russ suddenly has all these reasons to include me in a suspect list, when previously he never stated any of these reasons. He also never stated he performed additional analysis on me today, or anything like that, so I have to assume these thoughts could have been generated at any time.Ricochet wrote:This is a good explanation too of what I intended to point out. So far I'm torn between this "never brought up before" accusation being a bit forced and the fact that Russ did in fact interact with MP in the past without a shade of committal reading.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:What he means is that your points about "Russtifinko never said that before" are unfair because Russtifinko might as well have done an ISO or something like that on you TODAY, and then noticed those points.MovingPictures07 wrote:I wasn't ISOing Russ there, only bringing up every instance where he discussed me before, specifically to show that he never mentioned any of the things before that I claim, so you all could fact check me on it.Ricochet wrote:Planning to revisit Russ. I think the points about his non-committal reads may stick out indeed. From MP's rebuttals, I'm only at gripes with the charge that he never mentioned most of the stuff he brought up. Isn't the point of ISO'ing a player to do a analysis of past posts and point out problems? Do you need to have foreshadowed pointing those problems by having pointed them out in real time?
I don't understand your last question. Can you reword?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:14 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Nite 3]
Order them, now. (Applying the pressure).Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No specific order.MovingPictures07 wrote:Re: your suspicions, in that order? aka LoRab most likely?
Do you think ika's alignment is important enough that he should be lynched soon/today?
Re: Scotty, I understand. However, I think you missed the point of my question. Is it possible you suspect my behavior during EoD D1 because you don't agree with my thoughts on Scotty? If it were someone else you did agree with, do you think you would you view it differently?
I'm not voting ika today. Call me frivolous, but I want to have some sportsmanship. I wanna give the guy one day, and one vote, to judge him. Day 5 I'll judge him normally, though.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:13 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Why was LoRab's defense good, juliets? What did you like about it?juliets wrote: I read espers today and find myself in agreement with what has been said here. He did keep promising to do more baddie hunting but in my view came up short. And his Day 1 vote certainly looked like jumping onto a teammate when all hope is lost to gain civ cred. On top of all this he left the game and we had not heard anything from him that I read that mentioned not being able to keep up because of RL or anything that would be the usual reason people drop out. Now that someone has subbed in I feel a little guilty thinking about putting a vote there but nevertheless it's between he and cookie for me. I though Lorab's defense post was good so I am going to drop her off my list for today. I'm not going to have time to study these latest cases like on Russ and MP for this round of voting but I will before the next vote.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:11 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
What people with what evidence?Cookie wrote:Espers (now Ika) because of the last minute D1 vote. LoRab because of the post by DDL.Scotty wrote:Thanks for getting back to me Cookie, and I'm glad I didn't seem too overbearing.Cookie wrote: Thanks for doing that about me and I don't take anything personally at all (what would this game be like if we were all srs bsns). I actually appreciate that you've analyzed everything I've said because it puts myself into my perspective. Do you have any questions or want me to clarify anything?
I feel that I could vote for MP, as well. I find him the most outspoken and, like I said earlier, it's strange that he hasn't been NK'd yelled. If he is not an Inmate, I believe that whoever is on the middle of his rainbow list must be the remaining Inmates (or at least one or two). Those people are slowly making their way to the top because it seems that people already at the top of his list are being NK'd. It's quite smart because all of the civviest people are being killed, leaving the most suspicious. I just feel that if I were an Inmate, I would feel threatened by MP's interrogations. I haven't seen anything he's said particularly disconcerting.
My top four suspicious players are (in alphabetical order): DDL, espers, LoRab, MP
You did indeed answer my main question to you pertaining to suspicions. Now the follow-up to that is: why? I think you said why DDL and MP, but why espers, and LoRab?
I color'd my opinion you have about MP. I consistently see you give suspicion to someone, then back up in the same breath. Just commit to a read, woman!![]()
You also seem rather calm in your thanking both DDL and I for ripping into you. I'm quite taken aback and need to go get abecause that is not the reaction I was expecting to rise from you.
To explain the coloured part about MP: I can vote for him simply because he's not been NK'd yet. Not because of something he's said. In fact, he is the civviest civvy I c. Apart from him still being alive. I won't vote for MP at this point, but I will keep him on my radar because there are other people with more incriminating evidence. I'm going to review the posts about LoRab and Elo and see which one I find most suspicious (I think it's Elo that juliet posted about). Then I will weigh the option of voting between those two or Espers (Ika).
Have a drink for me! Good idea! I'll get some win *Cheers*
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:10 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I understand, Russ. I just hope to see more thought process from you, because otherwise it's difficult to discern whether you are latching onto suspicions for convenience or whether you just haven't been fully articulating why you suspect whom you suspect. Does that make sense?Russtifinko wrote:Can't say I'm shocked MP is suspecting me. Bring it on, chum!
Imma go ahead and vote espers/ika for tonight, though. I don't see anything convincing me otherwise, and someone's gotta get to the polls here.
Linki: Hmm. Well, MP, I guess to respond to the majority of your points, I haven't said most of the things I brought up because I haven't posted much at all about anything. As I said, that's changing today, so I'm saying what's on my mind.
As to being noncommittal, I feel like every time I've posted I've tried to be super clear about what I think of whom, since I haven't been posting much otherwise. Yeah, my mind has changed on some people, and yeah, since I haven't posted as much you haven't gotten to see the full progression of those changes. Saying I'm not committing too any reads is probably overplaying your hand tho.
Double Linki: Let me post! And stop it with the living rooms!
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:08 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I don't understand why everyone is jumping on ika for the sportsmanship post.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:20 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I have to go to the store. That'll give folks a chance to catch up too, since I realize I've posted a lot today. Sorry, folks. I just met my last SUPER major deadline Monday evening, and was busy at campus most of yesterday, so I decided to give myself most of the day off playing mafia. Going forward, I still have PhD work to complete, so today will probably be my most active day.
And I really want to catch a mafia today.
Be back later.
And I really want to catch a mafia today.
Be back later.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:17 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I wasn't ISOing Russ there, only bringing up every instance where he discussed me before, specifically to show that he never mentioned any of the things before that I claim, so you all could fact check me on it.Ricochet wrote:Planning to revisit Russ. I think the points about his non-committal reads may stick out indeed. From MP's rebuttals, I'm only at gripes with the charge that he never mentioned most of the stuff he brought up. Isn't the point of ISO'ing a player to do a analysis of past posts and point out problems? Do you need to have foreshadowed pointing those problems by having pointed them out in real time?
I don't understand your last question. Can you reword?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:16 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Why are you quelled by LoRab's defense?Scotty wrote:Is it his profile avatar? Because I've been glancing offhand this entire time thinking it was some weird green velociraptor with a Danny Devito haircut smoking a cigar. I mean, looking at it now, I'm not tooooo far off.MovingPictures07 wrote:Folks, I really am starting to think Russ is mafia.
Elaboration coming.
Hey Ricochet, how are you feeling now on Russ? I would support a Russ vote. I am momentarily quelled by LoRab's defense. Still not sold on Elo though, unfortunately MP. Not enough for me to vote her again. I would feel most bad if I vote for Cookie and she flips good. Because even though she's not a noob, and even said that she doesn't want to be seen as such, her play has been messy I think.
Dem m3 votes make a lot of people look guilty tho. Mothacrockas.
I wasn't trying to sell folks on Elo; an ISO is an analytical tool by which the conductor examines the player's posts in isolation, and determines what they might mean with respect to alignment, if at all possible.
I don't think Elo will receive my vote today.
Why are you supporting a Russ vote?
What changes your mind re: Cookie?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:13 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
ika wrote:Ok then i will do it like this then for you but if you dont like the style there's not much i can do. I omit parts that are not relevant to me and i never adding numbers isn't changing any of the context.Elohcin wrote:
I hope you can take this as nicely as possible. But, I don't like your style. I don't like the way you break up my post into 1), 2), and 3). Its called a quote for a reason. You really shouldn't mess with it by adding or omitting parts. It just makes it too easy to fuck with the game. Also, when I asked i you just don't give a damn, I was not talking about being suspected. That's obvious. I was talking about giving a dam about the game in general and about the players you are playing with. If you are civ, you ought to give a damn about us and work hard to help us. If you are bad, you ought to give a damn about your teammates and work hard to win with them. Why even play Mafia if this is how you are going to act?
linki: My ISO from MP which I will read in a sec.
i do the numebrs so someon who iso me and looks at the quotes can read what i am responding to in what order.
Its not obvious that what your talking about thats the first thing i will presume frankly when it comes to things like that.
OK lets talk then: if i am civ i should give a damn is your argument right? heres my thing, i am im just not doing it based on how you guys play to meta. I play very diffrently and frankly have gotten a lot of flak for it but i dont care. im not one to give effort to the extent you gusy do cus heres a hint: almost every time i do it i get shat on and then lynched/ignored. after so long you learn to really not care. in short: i play at how i like if you dislike it then that your preogatory
if im baddie, i tell my teammated how i play as baddie and what they need to do. i can try my darnest for them but i always give them the abloslute of bus me to hell. i gve adive to them and tell them who they need to stratiticly kill and set up long term plans and plans to back that if it fails. in short: i do but i suck at it and are a better planner
What do you folks think of these posts by ika (espers)?ika wrote:so far i got town reads on moving sock, and ricotcht
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:12 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Nite 3]
Re: your suspicions, in that order? aka LoRab most likely?Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I suppose so. I just saw a pattern with how you voted on d1, with the whole suspecting a bunch of people then voting for someone who would not affect the lynch.MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP LC and welcome back, Scotty!
Welcome, TinyBubbles! See you in another game, Bass.
Dragon D. Luffy, this is a valid question. Yes, I could have prevented a civilian lynch. I didn't know the tally at the time that I voted. After seeing G-Man's and others' votes in the updated tally, I vocalized my sentiment here. On reflection, I probably would have voted espers instead, but I had doubts about espers being mafia, and Cookie's D3 EoD behavior was incredibly suspicious. I also had no idea how many votes were coming in and who was going to vote where, much like EoD D1, and decided to vote where I felt most strongly, instead of voting in a manner which perhaps would have been more likely to receive votes. After witnessing this technique at RYM in recent games, I've decided to try to avoid casting my vote on 'low-hanging fruit' or the candidate with the highest propensity to be lynched, and then just waiting for the result. Instead, I've witnessed that much information can be gleamed from EoD, and I'm trying every single thing I can to avoid tunneling any player in this game.Spoiler: show
Does that address your concerns?
Also, on another note, I noticed your ISO/thoughts on LoRab. You said she seems pretty baddie, but not your strongest read. Who is currently on your suspicion list?
But I agree it was pretty close so I'm not sure how easy it would be to predict the result. Also unfortunately we don't know ika's alignment to be sure of what it means.
I'd say LoRab, espers/ika, you, Eloh, Russtifino and maybe G-man or MM.
Yeah that's pretty much most people, but it's hard not to suspect them all.
The suspicion started because of the Scotty vote. But it developed further as I went to read your posts and read other things, mainly the Sloonei flip-flop and the soft support of the ninja/G-Man wagons that was eventually dropped in favor of the Scotty vote. I was meaning to make a post only on the Scotty vote, but ended up finding more gold than I went looking for.MovingPictures07 wrote: Dragon D. Luffy, so what you're implying here is similar to what I saw G-Man saying earlier. You don't think my reasons for suspecting Scotty were strong, so you suspect me for casting my vote in that direction. Are you certain you aren't finding my actions suspect merely because you disagree on my thoughts on Scotty?
Do you think ika's alignment is important enough that he should be lynched soon/today?
Re: Scotty, I understand. However, I think you missed the point of my question. Is it possible you suspect my behavior during EoD D1 because you don't agree with my thoughts on Scotty? If it were someone else you did agree with, do you think you would you view it differently?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:09 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
The longer Cookie goes without posting again, the more apt she is to drop down to the lowest part of my list (highest propensity to receive my vote).
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:07 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Well, I'm not sure what I think of LoRab's defense. What do you all think?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:51 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Claiming it now.LoRab wrote:Bolded Cyan would be a great band name.
BBL! Shouldn't be more than 15 minutes.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:51 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Updated list of the players that I'm currently considering for my D4 vote, from least to most likely:
Dragon D. Luffy
G-Man
Metalmarsh89
Elohcin
Cookie
LoRab
espers / ika
Russtifinko
I realize I only got to ISO Elo and haven't had a chance to really look at the others, besides Russ somewhat. I need to catch up properly, read LoRab's posts, and subsequent posts, but I have to go for a little bit. I'll try to come back with an open mind and NOT tunnel Russ, but I really am becoming increasingly suspicious of his behavior this game.
This list will inevitably be updated once I can do more catching up and research.
Dragon D. Luffy
G-Man
Metalmarsh89
Elohcin
Cookie
LoRab
espers / ika
Russtifinko
I realize I only got to ISO Elo and haven't had a chance to really look at the others, besides Russ somewhat. I need to catch up properly, read LoRab's posts, and subsequent posts, but I have to go for a little bit. I'll try to come back with an open mind and NOT tunnel Russ, but I really am becoming increasingly suspicious of his behavior this game.
This list will inevitably be updated once I can do more catching up and research.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:47 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I'm incredibly tempted to vote for Russ right now. He's playing the low-posting, insightful additional commentary, never shaking any trees, never committing too much, type of blendy mafia game. His inconsistencies regarding me and Elo and his lack of explanations for his reads that he's been arbitrarily throwing out are also notable.
I also believe we'll gain insight on espers / ika, as well as Elo, if Russ were to flip mafia or civilian, since Russ voiced suspicion of both of those players, only to back off completely.
I also believe we'll gain insight on espers / ika, as well as Elo, if Russ were to flip mafia or civilian, since Russ voiced suspicion of both of those players, only to back off completely.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:46 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Russ, let me respond to this post with bolded cyan:
You've been noncommittal about players all game, except Elo, who you almost voted for on D1, and now are defending hard.
Your explanations aren't adding up.
Then you cap it all off with an incredibly noncommittal statement.Russtifinko wrote:Yeah, you did seem super civ to me at first. Lately I'm just wondering if it's too civ, if that makes any sense. Basically, my paranoid, "MP-might-be-baddie" self thinks thusly:MovingPictures07 wrote:Scotty, I need to start conducting ISO's now. I've been meaning to for some time. I'll look at Russ first, since his posts earlier today had me wondering about him. I thought he said my conduct seemed "super civ" or something, so to see my name on his suspect list today puzzled me. I'll go look at him now.
1) You FREAKED when llama started poking you on Day 1. Which to be fair is a pretty standard MP thing to do because you care so much about the game regardless of role. However, from my vantage point, it was pretty clear llama was joking around, and it's a classic baddie move to go hyper defensive. Epi pretty much runs his civ game entirely on the theory that baddies overreact when poked.
I don't like your response here. You NEVER mention this in your posts until just now, despite the fact that it happened 3 cycles ago, and there was discussion of it from others.
You say I FREAKED and went hyper defensive, but how so? It's not like Llama was really suspecting me. Sure, I took the discussion regarding a policy of Golden seriously, but you essentially NOW say that it's pretty clear Llama was joking around.
A few problems with that:
I) You've never said that it was clear Llama was joking before.
II) More notably, you had thoughts on me that included my D1 vote and my content (seeming super civ) around D1/N1, but you never mentioned this.
2) You pretty much allayed my fears D1 by posting a ton of content, though, and being your normal crazy-involved self.
You've also never said this before, not exactly like this. You said my content seemed "super classic civ MP".
Also, your feel here is completely off, since I've consistently posted a lot of content and been my normal crazy-involved self in EVERY period ever since.![]()
3) I agree with others that some of the wishy-washiness around lynches is a little weird. I'm used to you being hyper confident in your reads. I get that some past experiences have changed that a bit, but it still just doesn't read like the MP I know. For me the weirdness here is less about the votes themselves and more about your willingness to believe in yourself.
I'm not always hyper confident in my reads. How does it not read like the MP you know, especially when you said "has felt super classic good-guy MP". That implies that I read EXACTLY like the MP you know, right off of a D1 lynch where I was wishy-washy as fuck.
4a) Again, paranoid me here: You've done a great job trying to get people involved, mainly by asking them literally dozens of questions at a time. I'm starting to wonder if the questions are a way to avoid talking too much about yourself. (I think someone said this earlier today, but I thought it first. So hmph!)
You've never said this before. You also didn't express this after D1, when I behaved exactly in that fashion. I don't feel that has changed at all.
4b) You've had a super well-reasoned explanation for every. single. thing. you. have. done. in. the. game. (Not ture anymore, after yesterday's lynch.) It just was starting to seem a little too airtight.
Too airtight? Again, this is the first time I'm hearing this. And again, how is my behavior any different now than it was after Day 1, when you said I seemed like classic civ MP
5) I think it's really fishy that the day after I mention I'm thinking of you for a vote, I'm suddenly one of 2 remaining baddies along with Elo.
You're CLEARLY twisting my words. I even said I was throwing out an undeveloped theory.
6) And maybe this one is unfair. But I know in the past, Epi has been known to choose players for certain roles. Since Sloonei is relatively new to the site, I can see him maybe putting a more experienced player on the team as well. Now for sure, you aren't the only one who would fit that bill, and it's pretty much an indefensible thought. It just is a very small factor in Paranoid Dan's mind.
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Again, you NEVER mentioned this about me before.
All that said, I'm not sold on you being or not being bad yet. I just brought up your name because at the time I hadn't seen it mentioned much, and I thought it needed to be discussed to some degree because of my thoughts above.
I will say, though, that I think the kills being associated with your rainbow list in particular doesn't hold much water. I feel like maybe I've been misinterpreted on that point to be saying that you're somehow directing the baddies. I think I said this in an earlier post, but I don't really think that's the case. My rainbow list stance is basically, why take a chance of giving them any help at all?
I also think Rico's idea that you may be being framed (verb tenses?? help!) has some merit, and that alone makes me want to wait a good long while and evaluate carefully how I feel on you. If you're civ I'd hate to lose you.
Linki: Scotty, I think I answered your stuff. So we're good, right?
Double Linki: Yeah looking back, I can see how anyone lost it Day 3. Those were the latest votes I've ever seen.
Also, I'm pretty heavily leaning an espers vote for today. As bad as I'd feel for ika, it just looks worse and worse to me all the time.
You've been noncommittal about players all game, except Elo, who you almost voted for on D1, and now are defending hard.
Your explanations aren't adding up.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:38 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 1]
Everyone, here is a post with every single post that Russ addressed to me or said anything about me until his points on me just now. Just for reference.
MP has demanded a lot.
MP's policy of underlining names is super helpful.
Russ adds another point to MP's Scotty case.
Agrees with Elo that MP shouldn't post full rainbow reads.
- Thinks MP's claim that a "treasure trove of D1 evidence" in analyzing interactions between Sloonei and others is false, since Golden came back civ
- Thinks MP's vote looks bad at first glance ("very very long shot save-attempt")
- Says that MP has more recently thrown teammates under, so behavior would be against that meta
- Says MP's content has felt very "classic" civ MP
MP's Llama theory on being Comedian makes sense, thinks that half-rainbow lists is a good idea.
Throws me in a list of espers, Cookie, LoRab, and G-Man, saying that they are some players he's considering today (D4).
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which I am going to respond to, shortly. Essentially, he lists substantiated reasons for putting me in his list of possible votes today.
My problem with Russ is increasingly becoming that he is playing a VERY careful game, throwing names out there, and then coming up with reasons he suspects them later, even if those reasons came about as of posts that were made much earlier. Yet he never voiced those thoughts earlier.
Another post coming.
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- Thinks MP's vote looks bad at first glance ("very very long shot save-attempt")
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Now he came out with this post:
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My problem with Russ is increasingly becoming that he is playing a VERY careful game, throwing names out there, and then coming up with reasons he suspects them later, even if those reasons came about as of posts that were made much earlier. Yet he never voiced those thoughts earlier.
Another post coming.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:26 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Folks, I really am starting to think Russ is mafia.
Elaboration coming.
Elaboration coming.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:10 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
ISO on Elohcin:
Elo's third post, her first regarding any suspects. She feels good about Cookie, DDL, MP, and Golden. She is feeling uneasy about G-Man and Sloonei. She does attempt to provide reasoning. Slight civilian read here, I think, despite her employing a similar "throw names out there" as an SK in Economics. It feels more organic and less forced here.
In her very next post, Elo backs off of her thoughts on Sloonei. She also asks G-Man a question regarding his "themes". It would be risky for a mafia teammate of Sloonei to so vocally suspect him and then back off, but perhaps she was having trouble deciding what to do about the suspicion that I, Llama, and others were throwing around. I suppose null read from this.
Elo provides substantiation for why she does not suspect me in this game: She associated my baddie game with some degree of "nuttiness", in contrast to a calm demeanor, which she says is absent here. I like this. Civ read from this.
Can't really get any read on her explanation re: DDL, since Golden elaborated on her behalf, but she does at least confirm it. Null.
Elo says she would be most likely to vote for G-Man or Sloonei, if she did not have to vote in self defense. However, she states she is still "back and forth on Sloonei" and wish G-Man would grace the thread with his presence. Consistent, at least, with her prior listed reads. Null.
Here, Elo notes that Sloonei's most response is scummy, but that previous exchanges were not, after she was challenged to re-read him. Again, WIFOM, guessing whether she is a panicking teammate or a civilian trying to figure him out. Null.
Such back and forth thoughts on Sloonei are indicative either of a civilian genuinely trying to figure out how to read Sloonei, or a mafia member who has had consistent, direct contact with Sloonei and is waffling on whether to bus or not bus him amid suspicion on him.
Elo votes for Sloonei because of his most recent response to her. She says it is "odd" for a civ. Consistent. Null read.
D1 overall: Slight civilian read in content alone, moderate civilian read given Sloonei's flip -- I subscribe more to the belief that a mafia Elo would have not gone out of her way to sloppily distance from Sloonei in the way she did; rather, she saw he was a large force in the thread, and was genuinely voicing her opinions regarding him. It could go either way, though, and I realize this is entirely WIFOM.
In these posts, Elo speculates on the four name mechanic for the D2 poll. Nothing can be gleamed about these statements with regards to her alignment. Null read.
Elo notes that, out of the four options, LC seems most "fishy", before a re-read. She doesn't explain why. I wish she would have been more specific; if so, I would get civilian vibes from this. Otherwise, null read.
Elo decides to vote for MM, despite LC seeming most fishy previously. She says she is "on the fence" about LC, but she never substantiates this. She votes MM because "his continuous self votes bug me". She specifically says she has no suspicions of Russ.
D2 overall: Slight mafia read. Her contributions in D2 are very vague and unsubstantiated.
Elo claims an LD-able statement in "I am not Sloonei's teammate". Null read, since there is only one player who can LD, and it's a one-time ability. However, knowing DH was the LD detector, and that he came out strong against Elo after her D3 shenanigans, I thought this was worth at least including in the ISO.
Elo states her hatred for rainbow lists. WIFOM. Null read.
Elo responds to my claim about the mafia possibly killing off my top reads with the other side of the WIFOM coin. Slight civilian read from her on that.
She elaborates on her thought process regarding Sloonei. Null, but worth looking at, especially for those considering her as a suspect.
She also responds to DH regarding his ISO on her. Null.
More elaboration on her train of thought during D1 EoD and her Sloonei vote.
Elo is surprised to see me suspect Cookie. She says she "really" doesn't think that Cookie is "playing dumb" and mafia. This is noteworthy.
She claims DH has "not seemed very civ". No reasoning provided. Slight mafia read.
Elo explains her uneasiness of G-Man and LC stem from "earlier on in the game" and that they haven't been around. She never explained LC. I know Elo can be vague regardless of alignment, but these are particularly vague suspicions. Slight mafia read.
Elo says she is a messy player. WIFOM. Null read.
She explains that the fact that G-Man and LC not being around is only one reason to look at them, but provides no others. Moderate mafia read.
Says that DH's baddie hunting seems "disconnected".
Note that Elo says I make some good points about Cookie.
Elo explains what she means by disconnected wrt DH, after I asked her to explain. While I later pointed out that an ISO is often times pure analysis or mostly analysis, and her observation is thus perhaps moot re: DH's alignment, but her explanation seems fair enough. Slight civilian read.
Question to Cookie. Null read.
Backs off of DH, saying he defends himself well.
Says that she would want to lynch espers based on those I had in my list, but says she is "really not sure", doesn't necessarily think espers is bad, and calls me out on being closed minded to ONLY want to discuss those players. Moderate civilian read here. A mafia Elo would not have called me out on that, I think, and it shows a civilian mindset from her in doing so. Easily her most civilian-oozing post of Day 3.
She says her list of players to vote for Day 3 is: "G-Man and any two quiet players". She expresses that she thinks the baddies are quiet today. Slight mafia read, since her quiet observation is vague.
Elo confronts me with regards to my inquiry as to whether Rico would consider voting for her. Null read.
Elo theorizes that DDL's "odds" of being bad do not exist in this game. Weird theory. Null read.
Elo reiterates her claim of quiet mafia. Unsubstantiated. Slight mafia read.
I asked Elo who she would vote RIGHT NOW, if I held a water gun to her head. She said G-Man here.
YET she voted for me. Strong mafia read.
D3 overall: Moderate mafia read. Her contributions in D3 overall were a tough call, with some civilian and some mafia behavior, but her EoD behavior is sketchy.
This was her reason. It's Day freaking 3. Strong mafia read.
Elo says she "really" thinks I'm civilian and that she won't let me "get lynched for real". It was a CLOSE lynch. The person lynched had only TWO votes. This is so fucking sketchy I can't even. Very strong mafia read.
Elo says "look at my voting record" and that she thought she could have fun and not be looked at because she has such a good voting record. Strong mafia read. A civilian should NEVER throw around a vote so carelessly in a very important, up-for-grabs lynch.
Elo then says she will "vote for cookie with you all on Day 4 if you guys really see her as bad". Strong mafia read. Develop your own reads, Elo! She has been, all game, so this is really odd.
Frustration, asking us to lynch her next. Could be civilian or mafia-based. Null read.
Another post from Elo, saying she could preventing DH's death. Null read.
N3 overall: Same as D3. Maybe even a strong mafia read. Where the hell are her reads from earlier in the game? Why has she still never explained her thoughts on LC adequately?
Elo has decided to re-read LoRab and declares that LoRab could be one of the last two baddies. This is notable, since LoRab has a lot of propensity to be lynched going into D4. Elo also says G-Man could be one of the last two baddies, then says it could be G-Man and Cookie. Can't tell what mindset this comes from. Null read.
The confusing info PM claim. Null read.
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OVERALL: Elo seems like a slight to moderate mafia read to me. Her D3/N3 behavior still strikes me as WTF, even by her civilian standards. There are reasons I debate on her baddieness, however, since her Day 1 behavior and vote still seem more likely civilian and not a teammate of Sloonei. Some of her behavior also seems a bit too brazen for a member of the mafia, but who knows?
What do you all think?
DAY 1
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Can't really get any read on her explanation re: DDL, since Golden elaborated on her behalf, but she does at least confirm it. Null.
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Such back and forth thoughts on Sloonei are indicative either of a civilian genuinely trying to figure out how to read Sloonei, or a mafia member who has had consistent, direct contact with Sloonei and is waffling on whether to bus or not bus him amid suspicion on him.
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D1 overall: Slight civilian read in content alone, moderate civilian read given Sloonei's flip -- I subscribe more to the belief that a mafia Elo would have not gone out of her way to sloppily distance from Sloonei in the way she did; rather, she saw he was a large force in the thread, and was genuinely voicing her opinions regarding him. It could go either way, though, and I realize this is entirely WIFOM.
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D2 overall: Slight mafia read. Her contributions in D2 are very vague and unsubstantiated.
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She elaborates on her thought process regarding Sloonei. Null, but worth looking at, especially for those considering her as a suspect.
She also responds to DH regarding his ISO on her. Null.
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She claims DH has "not seemed very civ". No reasoning provided. Slight mafia read.
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She explains that the fact that G-Man and LC not being around is only one reason to look at them, but provides no others. Moderate mafia read.
Says that DH's baddie hunting seems "disconnected".
Note that Elo says I make some good points about Cookie.
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YET she voted for me. Strong mafia read.
D3 overall: Moderate mafia read. Her contributions in D3 overall were a tough call, with some civilian and some mafia behavior, but her EoD behavior is sketchy.
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Elo then says she will "vote for cookie with you all on Day 4 if you guys really see her as bad". Strong mafia read. Develop your own reads, Elo! She has been, all game, so this is really odd.
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N3 overall: Same as D3. Maybe even a strong mafia read. Where the hell are her reads from earlier in the game? Why has she still never explained her thoughts on LC adequately?
DAY 4
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OVERALL: Elo seems like a slight to moderate mafia read to me. Her D3/N3 behavior still strikes me as WTF, even by her civilian standards. There are reasons I debate on her baddieness, however, since her Day 1 behavior and vote still seem more likely civilian and not a teammate of Sloonei. Some of her behavior also seems a bit too brazen for a member of the mafia, but who knows?
What do you all think?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:54 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Holy fuck, ISOs take forever.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:51 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I was trying to pay attention to the vote count as much as I could, but those last 10 minutes or so, a ton of votes came in, and I was trying to keep up with the discussion, and decide whether I should go with espers or not. I thought Cookie's behavior around EoD D3 was incredibly suspicious, in the moment.Scotty wrote:Thank you, I did indeed miss that you explained that.MovingPictures07 wrote:Scotty: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 38#p160038
I'm hoping tonight you'll pay attention to the post count and being more on top of things if you do happen to be one of the last to vote, AND you have a chance to lynch one of your top 3. I understand Day 3 was lots of flurry and rushing, but come on man.
Nonetheless, fair enough. I understand why people would view my EoD D1 and D3 behavior suspicious, since I have made last minute votes that were different from the one I was most likely to cast.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:44 pm
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- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:43 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
DDL asked me this same question, let me find the link for you.Scotty wrote:I see that angle, it makes sense. espers subbing in is exactly what TGG did in BoB, when the water got too hot, and he was cold blooded mafia.MovingPictures07 wrote:Working on Elo ISO now.
Regarding espers, I think the fact that espers chose to get a replacement, instead of attempting to complete what he started, pings me considerably. I know it's WIFOM, but I don't understand why a civilian would replace out amid such heavy suspicion, especially when other candidates became a possibility instead of him today (such as Cookie and LoRab). I think espers was hoping that it would buy him the necessary time to stay away from lynching.
Also, espers never really left my "scummiest" read, since he was at the bottom yesterday. I am trying to not tunnel "easy" reads that the thread seems to mostly suspect, because I don't want us to fall into autopilot mode, but I realize today that perhaps I'm trying to overcompensate too much in that regard and that I should continue to apply appropriate pressure if someone is truly acting scummy. espers kept promising baddie hunting, but never delivered, and his D1 vote still reeks of last minute bussing.
However, if espers was at the bottom yesterday, MP, why didn't you vote him? You could have singlehandedly put the last vote needed on him yesterday. But you put it on Cookie.
Yo Russ, you gonna answer my questions or at least look at my ISO, or just carry on as if it doesn't exist?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:32 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
It's clearly a very undeveloped conspiracy theory, so I'm far from standing by it, especially since I'm ISOing Elo and haven't gotten to Day 3 just yet. Just wanted to throw it out there to see what folks think.Ricochet wrote:I wouldn't say Elo never articulated any suspects at all, given what I pulled on her D3 activity, but the rest is intriguing.MovingPictures07 wrote:Random thought:
Russ's D1 suspicion of Elo was rather intense, by D1 standards, and even by his suspicions ever since, as he hasn't committed to a strong read. He didn't end up voting for Elo on D1. Ever since the Sloonei flip and Elo's pivotal vote, he has been defending her hard.
Fast forward to recent Elo, the Elo who voted for me D3, despite consistently finding me a civilian read, because she couldn't articulate ANY suspects. Now she suddenly has a rainbow list, with Russtifinko at the bottom, and she has never expressed any read of him previously.
I could see Elo and Russtifinko being the remaining two mafia.
Discuss.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:29 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Nite 3]
Thanks for the correction re: Elo's list, I was confused because she listed strongest read to weakest read. My bad.Russtifinko wrote:Linki: I think based on the colors that I am not Elo's top baddie read, but rather the lowest suspicion she felt worth mentioning, MP. Just so we avoid overstating cases.MovingPictures07 wrote:Russtifinko, what motivation would a mafia team have in performing NKs in such a fashion?Spoiler: show
I think I've pretty much beat this to death. Again, I don't think the deaths are specifically because of your rainbow lists. I think the baddies are following a strong strategy of just killing the most civvie people.
I also think full rainbow lists make that super easy, and that the top half doesn't benefit the civs at all anyway. But Scotty is probably right that very civ people would die anyway. And for the record, I have always been very pro-half rainbow lists.
Russtifinko, I want explanation as to why you are considering these players only for your vote.Spoiler: show
I'm...not? Note it says SOME players I'm considering. They're just the ones I'm leaning most toward.
Regarding "some players", fair enough.
Can you elaborate nonetheless on your thoughts on those players? Thanks!
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:27 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
I don't argue any of those claims.Ricochet wrote:Maybe so on paper, but you alsoMovingPictures07 wrote:Working on Elo ISO now.
Regarding espers, I think the fact that espers chose to get a replacement, instead of attempting to complete what he started, pings me considerably. I know it's WIFOM, but I don't understand why a civilian would replace out amid such heavy suspicion, especially when other candidates became a possibility instead of him today (such as Cookie and LoRab). I think espers was hoping that it would buy him the necessary time to stay away from lynching.
Also, espers never really left my "scummiest" read, since he was at the bottom yesterday. I am trying to not tunnel "easy" reads that the thread seems to mostly suspect, because I don't want us to fall into autopilot mode, but I realize today that perhaps I'm trying to overcompensate too much in that regard and that I should continue to apply appropriate pressure if someone is truly acting scummy. espers kept promising baddie hunting, but never delivered, and his D1 vote still reeks of last minute bussing.
"had doubts about espers being mafia"
weren't sure you "want this to become a LoRab/espers contest"
were "hesitant, especially because I don't want to create a meaningless lynch with a bunch of votes on only espers"
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:25 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Also, Elo and Russ were the two players who have speculated on my rainbow reads being the reasons that mafia were killing my top reads. What better way to seem as though they're concerned for the town than to push this WIFOM as much as they can?
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:24 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Random thought:
Russ's D1 suspicion of Elo was rather intense, by D1 standards, and even by his suspicions ever since, as he hasn't committed to a strong read. He didn't end up voting for Elo on D1. Ever since the Sloonei flip and Elo's pivotal vote, he has been defending her hard.
Fast forward to recent Elo, the Elo who voted for me D3, despite consistently finding me a civilian read, because she couldn't articulate ANY suspects. Now she suddenly has a rainbow list, with Russtifinko at the bottom, and she has never expressed any read of him previously.
I could see Elo and Russtifinko being the remaining two mafia.
Discuss.
Russ's D1 suspicion of Elo was rather intense, by D1 standards, and even by his suspicions ever since, as he hasn't committed to a strong read. He didn't end up voting for Elo on D1. Ever since the Sloonei flip and Elo's pivotal vote, he has been defending her hard.
Fast forward to recent Elo, the Elo who voted for me D3, despite consistently finding me a civilian read, because she couldn't articulate ANY suspects. Now she suddenly has a rainbow list, with Russtifinko at the bottom, and she has never expressed any read of him previously.
I could see Elo and Russtifinko being the remaining two mafia.
Discuss.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:19 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Working on Elo ISO now.
Regarding espers, I think the fact that espers chose to get a replacement, instead of attempting to complete what he started, pings me considerably. I know it's WIFOM, but I don't understand why a civilian would replace out amid such heavy suspicion, especially when other candidates became a possibility instead of him today (such as Cookie and LoRab). I think espers was hoping that it would buy him the necessary time to stay away from lynching.
Also, espers never really left my "scummiest" read, since he was at the bottom yesterday. I am trying to not tunnel "easy" reads that the thread seems to mostly suspect, because I don't want us to fall into autopilot mode, but I realize today that perhaps I'm trying to overcompensate too much in that regard and that I should continue to apply appropriate pressure if someone is truly acting scummy. espers kept promising baddie hunting, but never delivered, and his D1 vote still reeks of last minute bussing.
Regarding espers, I think the fact that espers chose to get a replacement, instead of attempting to complete what he started, pings me considerably. I know it's WIFOM, but I don't understand why a civilian would replace out amid such heavy suspicion, especially when other candidates became a possibility instead of him today (such as Cookie and LoRab). I think espers was hoping that it would buy him the necessary time to stay away from lynching.
Also, espers never really left my "scummiest" read, since he was at the bottom yesterday. I am trying to not tunnel "easy" reads that the thread seems to mostly suspect, because I don't want us to fall into autopilot mode, but I realize today that perhaps I'm trying to overcompensate too much in that regard and that I should continue to apply appropriate pressure if someone is truly acting scummy. espers kept promising baddie hunting, but never delivered, and his D1 vote still reeks of last minute bussing.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:44 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
Here are all of the players that I'm currently considering for my D4 vote, from least to most likely:
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
G-Man
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko
Cookie
LoRab
espers / ika
I'm going to actually read these players' posts in isolation and construct an ISO post on all of them right now.
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
G-Man
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko
Cookie
LoRab
espers / ika
I'm going to actually read these players' posts in isolation and construct an ISO post on all of them right now.
- Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:40 pm
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Re: Watchmen [Day 4]
After ISOing Russ, he's squarely on my mafia list. He's playing a very careful game. I hope he is able to fully engage us today and explain better where all of his reads are coming from.
I'll give you folks a mafia rainbow in just a few minutes here.
I'll give you folks a mafia rainbow in just a few minutes here.