The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I have a new proposition.

Crazy cyan!!!!

I will henceforth be posting in crazy cyan whenever I am feeling crazy.

It clashes too much with my tongue-in-cheek teal.

Oh!!! That's true.

How about this? CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAZY CYAAAAAAAAN!!!!!

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I myself am suffering an existential crisis! Help!

*Wilgy enters the room, walks up to MP and pats them on the back afew times before waddling out of the room*

Beware, touching a Sock during a mainframe breakdown can result in various unintended side effects, including PTSD, Post-Traumatic-Sock Disorder.

*a paper airplane with writing on it flies through the window*

Oh no... It has begun!! MM! Unfurl! Heeeeelp!!!

OMG

BROTHER?

I have a new proposition.

Crazy cyan!!!!

I will henceforth be posting in crazy cyan whenever I am feeling crazy.

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I myself am suffering an existential crisis! Help!

*Wilgy enters the room, walks up to MP and pats them on the back afew times before waddling out of the room*

Beware, touching a Sock during a mainframe breakdown can result in various unintended side effects, including PTSD, Post-Traumatic-Sock Disorder.

I've figured it out now.

I am not me. I am a Sock, a massive frame of reference that captures the thoughts of everyone in this thread.

Seems my mainframe broke amid all of the absurdity floating around, and now I cannot control myself! Oops!

I myself am suffering an existential crisis! Help!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:You want absurdity, you say? You've got it. This thread deserves it, for pressing Golden on end to force all of us into this position.

Or you might be trying to make a point with the Golden train?

Am I?

You want absurdity, you say? You've got it. This thread deserves it, for pressing Golden on end to force all of us into this position.

And right, I would totally decide to lynch Golden today because I'm busier than I was last cycle. I pressed Bass so hard because I wanted to leave Golden for today. You got me!

It seems all of you people, even Jay, like absurd theories, so I'm giving you all absurd answers until further notice.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I deny this speculation, good sir, though I can see why you think such a 180 could be explained by an alieI really just am so sick of this talk around Golden; Golden obviously wants to die, what's the big deal?

He literally doesn't want to die. You're pressing the easy button.

MP never presses the easy button. You're bad.

I think his pressing the easy button right now is due to lack of time. Although he does keep posting still...

Lol, I'm only here still because I'm an addict who wants to fail out of the program, apparently.

rey, I think you're being genuine, FWIW. I actually had my doubts for the longest time, but I highly doubt you're on Azura's team, at least, though I admit it's still a possibility.

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay is absolutely right. I just couldn't take lying anymore. How about that? I broke down pretty easily, didn't I?

I demand you stop acting like a crazy person.

This train ain't stoppin', sorry bud.

Jay is absolutely right. I just couldn't take lying anymore. How about that? I broke down pretty easily, didn't I?

Outed baddie coming through. Choo choo!

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Maybe MP's vote is being forced.

I deny this speculation, good sir, though I can see why you think such a 180 could be explained by an alien in my brain telling me what to do.

I really just am so sick of this talk around Golden; Golden obviously wants to die, what's the big deal?

Do you think he's bad?

Two other players have self-voted. What do you think of them?

I know he's bad. How about that?

Neither of those other two are on my team, so I don't know what I think of them, and I don't care.

Well, fuck PhD work for a little bit, I can squeeze in a few more posts.

I see what's going on here. Well played, Jay and Rox.

Well, I'm absolutely bad. Go ahead and vote for me. Golden and I are baddie teammates. I'm 100% serious. I'm voting Golden because I've sloppily tried to bus him and you all caught me. Nice job!

Alright, this is the last I can really visit the thread even in a half-assed manner; properly catching up... IDK. Probably tomorrow afternoon/evening, maybe tonight if I can find the time. Sorry.

Turnip Head wrote:Maybe MP's vote is being forced.

I deny this speculation, good sir, though I can see why you think such a 180 could be explained by an alien in my brain telling me what to do.

I really just am so sick of this talk around Golden; Golden obviously wants to die, what's the big deal?

Oh excuse me, not shit, BULLSUIT. Because I keep forgetting to mention how much I love that.

This Golden shit has derailed the thread for too long.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rather, I think fact, the most logical assumption would be that I'm a flip flopping flipper flopper.

Did you flip flop? You seem to have the same non-baddie perspective of Golden as before.

But you want to lynch him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, you really think so?

Why would I make my win condition change so apparent?

I don't imply it would have been intentional.

This obvious of a move being unintentional on my part? I was Golden's biggest defender.

That should say in fact

Rather, I think fact, the most logical assumption would be that I'm a flip flopping flipper flopper.

Jay, you really think so?

Why would I make my win condition change so apparent?

Be back shortly sorry

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:My vote isn't lazy. I still have defended golden and still am. I am voting for him to put him out of his misery. The self vote stuff has been just to lighten the mood of the thread but yeah everyone hear knows how I feel about self votes. That doesn't mean I can't see Golden's frustration as genuine.

The MP I know stops at nothing to slaughter baddies. This is not an example of that.

You're entirely right, Jay.

What do you think that means?

It's clear to me this golden discussion is completely derailing the thread and i can't wait for him to get the chance to tell all of you "told you so".

Linki at Jay, I've just changed my mind. Golden's self vote, I've been there man. I've felt that emotion before. I'm just helping him move on.

My vote isn't lazy. I still have defended golden and still am. I am voting for him to put him out of his misery. The self vote stuff has been just to lighten the mood of the thread but yeah everyone hear knows how I feel about self votes. That doesn't mean I can't see Golden's frustration as genuine.

On a more game-related note, I've been trying to keep up on reading but I still need to properly to respond to posts and such. I'm on my phone now while running some errands, then I have a lot of work today, so it probably won't be until tomorrow.

On to the next task now... Sock out!

DharmaHelper wrote:I'll hug anybody who asks for one

Me! Me!

Get a load of that wool, DH.

That said, I think everyone (well, mainly the self voters) needs to calm all down and hug it out.

Golden, Rey... Where's the hug???!?!? Then get Boomslang in on that action. Oh baby.

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I still think Golden needs to go so I'm still voting for him.

You seem to have pulled a 180 on this issue. What made you change your mind about Golden?

The self vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Death to self-voters!!!!!

For anyone who has seen The Simpsons (who hasn't), this should be read in exactly re same voice and tone as Bart's "Death to Shelbyville!!!!"

Death to self-voters!!!!!

I still think Golden needs to go so I'm still voting for him.

Sorry guys, I've been super busy today, and will continue to do so. I should be around more to talk tomorrow (latter part of D3) than today, but even then I'll be swamped.

I'm voting Golden because he asked to be lynched and seems to really want out.

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

If Bass is somehow a recruited mafia, my bet's on Rox for his teammate.

I am leaving the thread before I pee all over MP

Bummer.

You are bummed bc I left the thread BEFORE I let you upset me in the game? Twisted!

got a meeting will do more in a bit

LOL, this was a joke. I should have used sarcastic orange, I guess. It was just because you used the phrase "pee on" and I thought it'd lighten the mood a bit if I acted as though I was disappointed. It fell flat, obviously. :P

aapje wrote:So what is up with DF and DP? DF has missed both polls and DP hasn't contributed anything so far. I honestly wouldn't mind lynching either of them. If we are lynching neutrals anyway we might as well get rid of people who aren't really playing the game to begin with

I gave Russtifinko a pass since he asked to be replaced.

I agree, we really need to shift some focus to other players who fail to contribute, or just onto anyone that hasn't been a major topic of discussion, IMO. Why don't we talk about Devin too, since he said not to avoid it? (Speaking of which, Devin, I didn't respond to your post directly, sorry, but I have no specific questions for you at this exact moment. Hope you're having fun in PA!).

Who wants to conduct an ISO on the lower posters? JJJ?

I have a busy 24+ hours ahead of me. I'll see when I can come back, probably won't be until tomorrow night Central.

So, I haven't gotten to a Rainbow List post yet... I didn't realize how difficult it would be at this stage given the nature of the game. I'll keep mulling over it, and if I come up with something actually worthwhile, then I'll post it. For now, it's tough to differentiate most players' mindsets from neutral mindsets.
reywaS, I note your observation. My post wasn't really addressed to anyone in particular (you'll note I didn't ask anyone for input and that my statements don't really require any input), and I realize I was talking about you and S~V~S. I'm afraid I don't understand your point though. What is it?
Dom, I'm confused. What wishy-washyness are you talking about? I feel I've been consistent on Bass.

I don't discount that fact; you raise a good point. Nonetheless, I've been pursued by Epignosis before on Day 1, and Day 1 always unpredictable. I suppose it's so easy for me to understand Golden's perspective because I was just feeling everything he seemed to be feeling here on Day 1 of Economics when Epi relentlessly attacked me because he thought I was lying about RL.

Regarding Golden, I do believe his tone changed rapidly once Epi started going after him hard, and I can completely understand why. I do not think Golden's change in tone is indicative of anything other than being under intense emotional fire. What do you think?
Rox, first off, I just want it to be made clear: I have nothing personal against you or Bass. You are two of my favorite people on this forum and I cherish you both as my friends. I don't know if you feel like I have made anything personal against either of you, but I have had no intention, so I apologize if you do feel that way.

My thought process regarding both Golden and Bass has been clear, but I realize there have been a lot of posts. As I've noted, I've been able to see the perspective behind each of Golden's actions this game. I've been able to understand where he's coming from. I feel Golden is being entirely honest about his intentions, and is laying all of it out on the table and saying "Look, this is what I'm feeling. This is what I've done." and almost no one else is doing that. In contrast, Bass's behavior seemed very manipulative to me, and I couldn't ever understand what was going on in Bass's brain. I tried to engage him in conversation, and others did as well, and I felt Bass was more intent on pushing heat onto anyone other than himself, rather than he was concerned with trying to understand where I was coming from. I won't ramble more because I've noted this before, albeit in a differently explained manner.

I would have been disappointed if Golden had been lynched yesterday because he is hands down the player in this game who is being forthright and completely honest about his intentions and I believe him. I think he is neutral. I think his actions make sense given that he baited Epi. However, I think despite the fact that Golden is doing whatever he can to lay his heart out there, players are taking advantage of him as an easy target. In contrast, Bass seemed very shifty, and only seemed to give opinions on anything once he was prompted to do so, with the exception of his wacky theory on me which I already told him didn't make sense because he was alleging I said the opposite of what I really said.

I can't comment on the Typhoony discussion since I didn't contribute to that. I don't disagree with you there, since I'm not really too sure how the roles themselves are inherently evil or not. Some of them do have powers that can be more adoptable to nefarious purposes, or civilian purposes, but I think it's too speculative in general. I openly admit that I don't know how Bass was approaching this game; I only have tried to make assertions based on his post behavior, just like I am with everyone else.

Regarding the "crafting", I'm not sure what you mean. Everyone crafts, as in creates or types, their posts. Like if I say I am crafting an essay. Maybe people just don't use that word like I do. I feel Golden has been incredibly clear with his intentions in his posts; refer to my above thoughts and what I've expressed in previous posts.

If you're still unclear on absolutely any of this, then I'm sorry I apparently haven't been clear, and I'll try to clarify when I next return to the thread.
Rox, I thought it was odd that you kept making disclaimer statements about Bass that his posting seemed odd or indicated shenanigans yet you were never able to pull the trigger and vote for him. You kept seeming, to me, as if you were finding reasons to not vote for him, all the while recognizing that there WAS something different about his posting. That's why I threw that statement out there. Obviously, I was wrong. I didn't assert that I knew it as a fact. I can't help myself but go into conspiracy theory Sock mode from time to time; I had no idea the post would upset you so much. I should have, though, since I can relate to your mindset better after seeing your more recent posts. I should have just kept that thought to myself and started speculating on any Bass teammates if/once he flipped mafia recruit. I get ahead of myself sometimes.

I explained earlier in the game why I think low posters would make great recruits. If you want proof, look no further than the fact that Golden and I have been constantly having to defend ourselves, that Scotty is recently coming out against JJJ that he'd make a good recruit, that BWT received so many votes on Day 1, etc. The more someone posts, the more they can be scrutinized and the more their words can be manipulated to look suspicious.
Rox, I didn't realize you meant Bass. Often I get confused with pronoun-antecedents when they are not 100% explicit, so it wasn't obvious to me. That's more a product of me rather than you, so I'm not implying there was anything wrong with your post or pronoun usage. I just don't read between the lines well.

What you're trying to express by the nutella and me thing -- I think I get it. I'm sorry I wasn't entirely clear in my post's intentions. Look above for the explanation as to my thought process when I posted the theory about you being a teammate of Bass if he happened to flip mafia. See if that answers your question as to why I threw that post out there. I also wanted to see what others would contribute to it, but no one really talked about it, which is probably for the best anyway.

I still don't understand your BWT suspicion completely, but I feel like this is a pointless discussion to pursue, since you don't seem intent on clarifying (I asked you to restate the main points and you wouldn't). So be it, but if I recall correctly, others went through your posts and only found one clear thought on BWT, so I don't think I'm the only one who's still a bit confused on the matter. I won't bother you about it anymore; I know there are a lot of posts, but I know how it feels to be asked to restate things you felt you have said before, since I've already done that this game myself on so many occasions. I'll revisit your posts and let you know if I have any specific questions.

Oh man, I rock! I was totally right then!!!! :P

I'm here, but then I probably won't be back until sometime tomorrow night, so I'm going to whip one post addressing some more things after this.

I just had to say... G-Man, this post is just brilliant. I don't know what emotion to feel.

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

G-Man wrote: What was wrong with my Joker posts? I loved making those.

Lol, I loved them, I was just making a joke, since The Joker appearing in nightmares saying some of the stuff you posted in that game in his voice would be kinda creepy. :P

Spoiler: show

Oh, I suppose I'll vote for Position 3, lest I get called out for voting 4 again. :P 3 isn't too bad.

See you folks later.

rey, it's true you've been focused on Golden and anything surrounding him, so... what are your thoughts on some others in the game? I won't restrict you by asking about certain players.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

unfurl wrote:Also Bye Bass
I think this is become an elitist game tbqh, where the people who arenot hard core player will going to be lynched, my prediction, less see in an a fortune teller

I disagree 100%, have you been reading the same thread as me? Golden and I have been in hot seats for almost the entire game, and Golden barely made it out of the last lynch alive.

Meanwhile, we have TinyBubbles, timmer, and DisgruntledPorcupine, who are recently receiving a bit of heat, but have not come under near as much fire as those who have put their words on the line and posted much more.

I think your post here trying to further the divide, making this a hardcore v. non-hardcore fest, is troubling greatly. I think players with post counts of all sizes should be eyeballed with equal fervor, not lopsided, and it's entirely why I've been defending Golden because his posts have read completely reasonable as a neutral-aligned Golden. The only accusations against him legitimately fall into two categories: (1) fear mongering and (2) belief that neutral Golden would play like a civilian.

HE SAID HE WOULD

I don't understand the need for caps. I'm trying to be reasonable in my emotional demeanor going forward.

I'm aware; my intent was unclear, sorry. (2) should be supplemented with the phrase "but firmly believe that he is playing against the civilians", since that seems to be the sentiment of S~V~S and others when they say that they think Golden executed the kill.

I think Golden is, at worst, neutral, and he isn't worth my time. I'd rather catch a mafia-aligned. In before you ask about Bass, but I firmly believed Bass could be at best, neutral, and hopefully was mafia-aligned. He wasn't, which is disappointing, but I'm not upset over the former result one bit even though I wouldn't have campaigned against Bass if I thought he could be, at worst, neutral.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not saying RIP to Bass, and, at the expense of making enemies further, I'll echo nutella's thoughts a bit and say that I'm not that sad about Bass's death either. It would have been ideal to nab a mafia-aligned recruiter or recruited, naturally, but an unrecruited Bass is still at least a somewhat favorable result. That said, I'll dearly miss him on a personal level, as always.

Maybe you all are generally more OK with it because you weren't on the receiving end of his completely baseless attack against me, which, combined with other similar attacks yesterday, actually had me feeling as though I was a solid lynch contender for Day 2. My feelings were confirmed when I was tied for the lead in votes for quite a while, though later it died down. Bass's behavior was unpredictable, he wasn't willing at all to actually engage others in conversation and see things from my point of view. He could have easily been playing a mafia or chaos-aligned neutral game, regardless of whether people think his role seems dangerous on its own, which was sort of the feel I was getting from his posts up until the end there.

I agree that it's bet at this stage for Golden to drop the Epi issue completely, but it doesn't help that others (rey and S~V~S and Boomslang, etc.) have been just as insistent on bringing it up over and over as well as Golden has.

Make fun of me as his cheerleader all you want (actually, please do, since it's hilarious), but I have been only defending Golden with the fervor that I've had because I feel accusations against him have been driven by mere fear mongering ("he did that to Epi? What if he does it to me?!?!?!!?"), which is a silly sentiment in my opinion given that the vast majority of players in this game still don't know what side they're going to end up on.

Bass was playing a bad/chaos-aligned neutral game... interesting...
What is Golden playing?

I'm not alleging that I can read into Bass's brain and see what he was thinking as he played the game, so I really don't know if he was playing a bad or chaos-aligned game. That was the impression I received from his behavior, and the fact that he really didn't seem to care who received attention as long as it wasn't him.

As to what Golden has playing, I'd say he's been playing a 100% survival-aligned neutral game. He's been under such heat for most of his tenure in this game that honestly I think he's been doing whatever he can to ensure that he doesn't die immediately. I don't think that's necessarily unreasonable at this stage, mainly because I've been reading all of his thoughts as genuine, because he's been able to articulate himself in a manner that I personally find believable. Therefore, I also believe that Golden is not actively seeking recruitment, and that he'd prefer to be a civilian. Of course, if this game will proceed how the prior games did, I could very well be advocating for his lynch, since it's entirely possible Golden and I will end up with opposing interests. I do not currently think we have opposing interests. I honestly wouldn't care about Golden as much as any other neutral if I felt players weren't exposing him to a ridiculously unbalanced amount of heat when compared to other players who should be examined as well.

unfurl wrote:Also Bye Bass
I think this is become an elitist game tbqh, where the people who arenot hard core player will going to be lynched, my prediction, less see in an a fortune teller

I disagree 100%, have you been reading the same thread as me? Golden and I have been in hot seats for almost the entire game, and Golden barely made it out of the last lynch alive.

Meanwhile, we have TinyBubbles, timmer, and DisgruntledPorcupine, who are recently receiving a bit of heat, but have not come under near as much fire as those who have put their words on the line and posted much more.

I think your post here trying to further the divide, making this a hardcore v. non-hardcore fest, is troubling greatly. I think players with post counts of all sizes should be eyeballed with equal fervor, not lopsided, and it's entirely why I've been defending Golden because his posts have read completely reasonable as a neutral-aligned Golden. The only accusations against him legitimately fall into two categories: (1) fear mongering and (2) belief that neutral Golden would play like a civilian.

I'm not saying RIP to Bass, and, at the expense of making enemies further, I'll echo nutella's thoughts a bit and say that I'm not that sad about Bass's death either. It would have been ideal to nab a mafia-aligned recruiter or recruited, naturally, but an unrecruited Bass is still at least a somewhat favorable result. That said, I'll dearly miss him on a personal level, as always.

Maybe you all are generally more OK with it because you weren't on the receiving end of his completely baseless attack against me, which, combined with other similar attacks yesterday, actually had me feeling as though I was a solid lynch contender for Day 2. My feelings were confirmed when I was tied for the lead in votes for quite a while, though later it died down. Bass's behavior was unpredictable, he wasn't willing at all to actually engage others in conversation and see things from my point of view. He could have easily been playing a mafia or chaos-aligned neutral game, regardless of whether people think his role seems dangerous on its own, which was sort of the feel I was getting from his posts up until the end there.

I agree that it's bet at this stage for Golden to drop the Epi issue completely, but it doesn't help that others (rey and S~V~S and Boomslang, etc.) have been just as insistent on bringing it up over and over as well as Golden has.

Make fun of me as his cheerleader all you want (actually, please do, since it's hilarious), but I have been only defending Golden with the fervor that I've had because I feel accusations against him have been driven by mere fear mongering ("he did that to Epi? What if he does it to me?!?!?!!?"), which is a silly sentiment in my opinion given that the vast majority of players in this game still don't know what side they're going to end up on.

Well, I'm officially above JJJ in post count again, so I'm fine with signing off for the night. :P

See you folks later.