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That's a very astute observation.Long Con wrote:I answered the questions.Maybe I should have answered the third one about Rush's 'Lunatic Fringe'... Otherwise, I got no result or PM or anything.
It didn't even show who the Suits targeted... maybe they missed the PM?
Linki: Weird insanity there, Timmer.
timmer, you have no idea how much this means to me, particularly as you may have been my biggest opposition in earlier discussions.timmer wrote:I think I understand what bea and eloh are saying, though I'm not sure, but if I'm right about it, I'm not sure why they are being so cavalier about talking about it like this.
Right now, I trust zeek based on gameplay. I trust MP - in the sense that I know what he has to do in this game and thus I know how his actions affect me and the rest of us. I trust S~V~S based on a logical assumption. I trust Long Con based on a hunch. I think I trust Bea and Elohcin, though that's another hunch.
I do not trust Daisy. Or Nijuu. I don't really trust DH because of side factors, i.e. what others think of him. I don't trust any of the silent players and cannot stand that they have give-up playing (and don't believe that a game mechanic would simply have wiped out so many players' ability to play).
Everyone else is in a gray area.
That's where I'm at.
I frankly am not sure I buy the DH/Snowy connection anymore.Snow Dog wrote:Ok let's not put the cart before the horse. i am bit tired of this DH/ Snowy connection suspicion. J have voted neither him or LC so far but I will vote for him now. Who knows, he may very well be bad.MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm sort of fine with seeing how everyone is thinking and contributing in that way, though, especially since people think I was being manipulative with my last-minute case against Russ. I wasn't, but to be fair, I appreciate that at least it has more time to simmer.
Even though I don't actively suspect Snowy that much, I may be convinced to vote in that direction. I think the connections to DH are shattered if DH is good, but that zeek's point of Snowy voting with the majority every time except with the Suits is definitely the most compelling.
Oh, and congrats by the way, zeek! That's awesome!
Votes DH
I know. I'm not saying YOU think that. I'm just saying there has been speculation by some, notably timmer, that DH is my Narrator, or at least a recruit.Elohcin wrote:I'm not saying I absolutely think you will disappear if he is lynched.
Elohcin wrote:It's okay, 'cause I don't trust you really.MovingPictures07 wrote:I actually agree with DH at this point, especially since I realized how tunnel vision I was being with him. I won't be voting for him.
Cool, thanks!juliets wrote:I was cursed and received a message coming out of night 3 for my actions on day 4.MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I suppose timmer seems less likely as bad since he was clearly targeted by the Sorcerers, so I'm willing to consider I might be wrong on something.
So thinking back to the Hatter, to see if we can nail down who it is, who has been targeted with it? Made N1, zeek N2, and juliets N3 or N4 (?)... is that all? I can't remember.
DH, yeah?Long Con wrote:Well, we'll know when the game ends!MovingPictures07 wrote:I somehow doubt that.Long Con wrote:Awesome result, the Sorcerers are certainly getting frustrated now. After Domgate and a failed kill on MP, now another failed kill on Timmer. I am happy to see Timmer still alive.
I hate to say it, but I think I am responsible for Roxy's death. Roxy was already upset about the stuff earlier, and my imbecilic ranting after that lynch likely pushed her to leave the game, because she really doesn't like that stuff. My theory is that Roxy asked to be modkilled. Sorry, Roxy, I'm really sorry, I was immature and crappy. I will definitely remember this in the future, and do a better job of being a reasonable person.
As for who to vote today, I don't think you all need me to tell you my opinion.
These are good points.Long Con wrote:Well, the first point is completely up to you to believe, but as a baddie, I tend to ignore Black Rock (my wife) as much as possible, and I would never agree to kill her on Night One of a game, because that would cause me marital stress (not really, but it would still be a light betrayal of my wife). I DEFINITELY would not kill her on night One of The Champions Game.nijuukyugou wrote:Can you explain this defense a little more, if you're up for it? I'm a bit confused as to how this clears you up, but I'm certainly willing to understand.Long Con wrote:I'm obviously not a suit, they killed BR night 1. I'm not a sorcerer, I was after Dom in that lynch.
Please think people!!!
Of course this sets up a beautiful WIFOM, but I have never chosen to take advantage of that, and I never plan to. Again, believe it if you want. People who have been baddies with me can corroborate the fact that I wouldn't do it.
The second point was that I was pretty much the first person to come after Dom in the Dom-Bass lynch, I voted for him and left it there even as Bass went down. Feel free to read the lynch again, I was being quite honest about how I felt about Dom and why. I DID state that I didn't want him to get lynched because I like to play with him, but I voted for him because he made me suspicious with his "Bass is probably a Civ" talk. Again, your call if you think it was genuine or not, but it was genuine.
I'm not a Suit, and I'm not a Sorcerer, and that is the truth.
I somehow doubt that.Long Con wrote:Awesome result, the Sorcerers are certainly getting frustrated now. After Domgate and a failed kill on MP, now another failed kill on Timmer. I am happy to see Timmer still alive.
I hate to say it, but I think I am responsible for Roxy's death. Roxy was already upset about the stuff earlier, and my imbecilic ranting after that lynch likely pushed her to leave the game, because she really doesn't like that stuff. My theory is that Roxy asked to be modkilled. Sorry, Roxy, I'm really sorry, I was immature and crappy. I will definitely remember this in the future, and do a better job of being a reasonable person.
Don't worry, I don't get it either.S~V~S wrote:Several people have said this; what would voting for Snowy have to do with Roxy dying? Was that the only vote Snowy got the whole game? Am I missing something very obvious?
This is bothering me, timmer. But why?timmer wrote:I'm not even going to bother replying to that, MP. Troll away.
Have I not done this?Long Con wrote:I think the strongest takeaway was that it helps Tyler, but I'm not sure what you mean here. It helps the Civvies in that we'd know someone who isn't a baddie, who the baddies won't kill. We can further assume that Tyler would likely try to act Civvie and find and lynch baddies... I think that's a reasonable assumption. I guess Tyler could somehow decide to side with a baddie team, but he wouldn't really have any info to go on to do that.timmer wrote:Revealing who Tyler is helps the baddies as much as it helps the civvies, LC.
It helps the targeting Civvies and baddies equally, because both sides would avoid targeting him.
It narrows the baddies down... one more person they can't falsely pin baddieness on. I don't think the reverse applies to Civvieness.
Oh, yes.DharmaHelper wrote:The "is playing" part slayed me.MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL why is this so funny?DharmaHelper wrote:LMAOMovingPictures07 wrote:AP and Lizzy, only the latter of which is playing.
Is Lizzy Voldemort?
LOL why is this so funny?DharmaHelper wrote:LMAOMovingPictures07 wrote:AP and Lizzy, only the latter of which is playing.
DF hosted WWE and he was Vince McMahon.Long Con wrote:Fight Club Host got to be Tyler Durden. Any other correlations anyone has noticed?
But why did you say you didn't having intent to vote LC when you clearly did earlier?timmer wrote:I'm not even going to bother replying to that, MP. Troll away.
I'm not lying. I swear.Long Con wrote:Argh, what a liar! You know their roles. Why lie like that?MovingPictures07 wrote:But zeek, I don't know the alignments of my recruits. So it's possible I have recruited a baddie, sure, but I hope I haven't.
I am. I find it odd she said something about death and then commented like that. Maybe she wasn't supposed to talk about it.timmer wrote:Are you suggesting that Roxy died of a poisoning or something?MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, timmer, you should reconsider your narrow-minded approach to DH and Snowy.
Didn't Rox say she was sick earlier? So how would her vote for Snowy on D6 have anything to do with that?
When asked about her death comment, she replied:
"elaborate that I am sick? Ok. I have the flu and been running a high fever there was talk of the hospital but I promised my doc I would take a couple of days off which I have. "
I think Roxy was just sick, and that her vote for Snowy very well may have had something to do with her death. Call me narrow-minded if you want, but everyone knows what you're up to, my man. Snowy is bad fucking news.
timmer wrote:I've still got my eye on Long Con and Spacedaisy. I'll have more to say tomorrow, I've got the morning off.
timmer wrote:Okay, so this game is starting to make my head spin, but here goes.
I think LC is bad for many of the reasons DH has set out. the Day 1 vote against rey was very weird, but more weird (and more important) were his responses regarding it all afterwards which DH has just covered. That said, DH is fucking on FIRE right now, and when he's on fire he can pretty much convince me to buy a bridge to nowhere, so I may be getting a bit swayed here, BUT, I've been eyeing Long Con for much of the game so DH's posts are essentially bolstering what I already believed.
As to SpaceDaisy. MP, I would like you to go into DETAIL about why you are thinking civ here. Obviously you have an agenda, and the fact that you are outed and playing an ostensibly pro-civ game doesn't change that. You DO have an agenda to see your recruits survive. So when I see you defend someone as civ at this point in the game, if you want me to listen to you, you will need to DEMONSTRATE your reasons. I don't think anyone, outside of your recruits, will just simply trust you. At least, they shouldn't. So I'm willing to listen, how is SD civ?
As to SVS, she's a brilliant player and I could see her being bad always. Essentially, I've seen her flip bad and had my jaw drop enough that I'm not taking anything for granted. But I would like someone to summarize their case there.
And MP, I'll read back on your Bea case later today, I'll admit I don't think i've read it yet!
Because the next post is pretty long and is the case about Daisy, mostly being linked to LC, I'll just link it:timmer wrote:So MP says he thinks Long Con is civ, and Long Con says it's good not to lynch MP. Hmm. And MP also thinks SD is civ, who I think is tied to LC. Hmm. This doesn't help.
Here's his case on bea:timmer wrote:I tend to get blinded by DH being DH. Basically, I look at the now epic-length back and forth between him and Long Con, and I feel like LC is the one who started out in the wrong, all the way back to his Day 1 vote for rey, which I believe DH called him on. And that's where the tie to SD started as well. Since then, DH has been fairly consistent in his posting about LC, and so since I feel like there is a good chance LC is bad, I feel that it makes a bigger chance DH isn't.
That said, I could definitely see an indy DH here. I'm just not seeing a baddie DH, but like I said at the start, I'm not very good at reading through his game.
And I swear I will read up on Bea, I'm going to cover it on my supper break.
Backing off of Daisy and LC, only to...timmer wrote:
I can see Bea being bad, and if I don't have support for my ideas re: Daisy and Long Con, I'll pursue a vote in Bea's direction.
THEN say he's "fine with DH today" after he made more than a few posts earlier in the same day and throughout the game believing him to be more likely civilian. Where's the logic in that?timmer wrote:And I agree with Zeek, people discussing voting for absent players is not helpful and makes no sense when those of us who ARE posting are discussing suspicions. And in my experience absent players are more often civ or bored indy anyway. Anyone pushing an absent player vote will get an increasing amount offrom me the more they push it.
Linki LC, Im fine with DH today as well at this point.
It didn't come out of the blue, at least. He made a case on Snowy and started seeing how everyone was tied to DH, so that it made sense that DH should be lynched:timmer wrote:I'm only voting Snowy or DH today, Daisy. The you and LC thing has moved more to the mdidle of the spectrum for me, as in there is less meat to that than what I'm seeing in Snowy/DH.
You are hinting at reasons that these lynch ideas are bad but without explaining them. I can't see anyone backing down from their vote without you providing at least a bit of an idea of why people should? I'm at work and certainly don't have time to find a random little thing a million pages ago, etc. But please shout out of you've seen soemthing??
But can't it just be the case that everyone is connected to DH because he has the most posts in the thread and because he almost died D1 due to suspicion AND because he's a very enigmatic player? I believe Made responded and illustrated a point similar to this.timmer wrote:Made, DH is at least directly tied to my case on Snowy. I can't very well prove Snowy was bailing DH out if I don't know if DH is bad, right? But every is using DH to add suspicion to their cases, all over the place. It seems clear to me that a TON of people think DH is bad, but that he hasn't stepped out of line directly enough to make an easy case. Well then, my vote is better off on DH than Snowy. But at this point, this day has boggled my mind.
But how is that true? He's been going on about voting LC and Daisy for multiple cycles now.timmer wrote:I'm with you, buddy. That was awful. All these fucking cases, over 48 fucking hours, and we get a bunch of low posters create a lynch out of nothing. I'm not really feeling "civ" from you tbh, but I'm not feeling bad either, so I wasn't prepared to vote you no matter what. At least not without a fucking case from SOMEONE>????Long Con wrote:I can't believe this lynch. This is Champion play? I get barely mentioned, and then bandwagon slammed at the last minute?
This has been really shameful. There's no way in hell I deserved that with so many actual suspects out there.
Last thing: DH, you guys. Open your eyes, even if it's for the first time this game.
Now of course, the thread is going to head in this direction, and I can assure you we will very likely see at least one civilian lynch (DH), and one probably civilian lynch (Snowy), because to be frank I'm not convinced that Snowy is acting anything other than genuine, and that he's getting burned for his indecisiveness like he has in the past. I could be wrong there, but that's just me.timmer wrote:I don't think the lynch was switched LC, I think Hedge wasn't draining people each night and thus accumulated enough votes to die.
And I'm not even going to get distracted by DH, SNOWY YOU GET MY VOTE FOREVER UNTIL YOU DIE.
Whaaaaaat? I said no such thing!Long Con wrote:Does anyone still listen to this viper?MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, timmer, you should reconsider your narrow-minded approach to DH and Snowy.
He's trolling, people. He said so himself.
I agree.DharmaHelper wrote:I think we need to look at ni...nij...bloo...that one.MovingPictures07 wrote:I eagerly await your clarification.DharmaHelper wrote:Hold that thought.MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact, I would bet there's at least one baddie in the original voters for Russ.
And I'm sorry I've suspected you off and on all game. I'm starting to believe my fears were unfounded.
I eagerly await your clarification.DharmaHelper wrote:Hold that thought.MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact, I would bet there's at least one baddie in the original voters for Russ.
I do deny that, since he is not my recruit. I can see why you'd think that, BUT, I've said multiple times I intended on lynching DH. I changed my mind only upon realization of a certain possibility.timmer wrote:Do you deny that DH is that least a recruit? You were adamant that you would not vote him today.MovingPictures07 wrote:Hypothetically, sure. I would never know for sure, but you're right that I could make educated guesses.timmer wrote:But you know very well that as the members of a badie team start to get lynched, that the voting records, thread comments and everything start to build up and it becomes increasingly easier with each baddie teammate's death to find the rest of them. Thus, if DH were a suit, for instance, you would have no problem indirectly moving a lynch away from snowy, if you thought snowy was his teammate, as protecting snowy would mean protecting DH. Right?MovingPictures07 wrote:How could I possibly be on the baddies' side? I don't know who they are. Even if my Narrator was bad, that still would only be one bad role that I would know.
Unfortunately for that theory, I picked a civilian.
Hypothetically, sure. I would never know for sure, but you're right that I could make educated guesses.timmer wrote:But you know very well that as the members of a badie team start to get lynched, that the voting records, thread comments and everything start to build up and it becomes increasingly easier with each baddie teammate's death to find the rest of them. Thus, if DH were a suit, for instance, you would have no problem indirectly moving a lynch away from snowy, if you thought snowy was his teammate, as protecting snowy would mean protecting DH. Right?MovingPictures07 wrote:How could I possibly be on the baddies' side? I don't know who they are. Even if my Narrator was bad, that still would only be one bad role that I would know.
Fuck damnation, fuck redemption! We are God's unwanted children. So be it!Russtifinko wrote:I think he more outed that he's on his own side, and doesn't care who dies.Elohcin wrote:Just b/c you weren't lynched doesn't mean you were an asshole. I still think MP basically outed that he is on the baddies side.
Now how did I do that?Elohcin wrote:Just b/c you weren't lynched doesn't mean you were an asshole. I still think MP basically outed that he is on the baddies side.
LOL, what a fitting end to the day. Seriously. No other end would have been better. I love it.timmer wrote:I'm guessing Omega Red wasn't submitting names each night, and the votes just accumulated? What an appropriately fucked up end to a fucked up lynch.
Where did I admit that?juliets wrote:So you admit you put one over on us and DH is your recruit or your narrator?MovingPictures07 wrote:Frankly, I was shocked when people actually started listening to me. I thought for sure after the earlier discussion that I couldn't have pulled anything like this off.timmer wrote:You can't really blame him, though? He IS technically playing his role to the best of his abilities. Honestly, he could have tried to turn the thread onto any of us, anyone who is not a recruit, basically. He's playing his part very well, I think. It just sucks that so many are blind to it, is all.Long Con wrote:MP I fucking supported you too. What a viper you turned out to be. Last time I ever do that. Don't even talk to me if you see me in a game again.
Frankly, I was shocked when people actually started listening to me. I thought for sure after the earlier discussion that I couldn't have pulled anything like this off.timmer wrote:You can't really blame him, though? He IS technically playing his role to the best of his abilities. Honestly, he could have tried to turn the thread onto any of us, anyone who is not a recruit, basically. He's playing his part very well, I think. It just sucks that so many are blind to it, is all.Long Con wrote:MP I fucking supported you too. What a viper you turned out to be. Last time I ever do that. Don't even talk to me if you see me in a game again.
