The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: Unknown to both Roxy and MP, there was a sad Wilgy with a camera hiding behind the curtains.

LMAO!!!!

I actually thought rey was on the level before his recent interactions with Golden though.

Turnip Head wrote:Reading Rey's last few posts directed at Golden, I'm wondering if Rey is on the team that killed Epi.

Assuming Golden himself didn't do it.

I could see that. Not convinced... but I distrust rey throughout this whole thing more than I do Golden.

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Unrecruited? I'm totally fine with that.

Recruited/recruiter civilian? I'd be utterly shocked, wouldn't you?

Only thing that shocks me is a pickachu, pardner.

PIKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Bass, I hope you understand that it's nothing personal, and if you still legitimately have questions for me, I'll try my best to address them. But I think I (and others) have made my (their) thoughts clear.

Linki: I'm not sure where I said I was lynching Bass because he's a good choice for recruitment.

You lnow me betterr then that man its a game. When golden get lyncheds and I'm right that dude is super shady this game then it will be worth it.
I understand that my answers have not been the best but its what I got I was honest and said I wasnt going to read everything I missed and the hurt me in the long run. Also I keep trying to play this game like last man standing because thats the only game thats kinda like this. Well this early in the game.

I can respect that.

Dude, if Golden gets lynched and flips recruiter/recruited mafia today, I will gladly admit that I couldn't have possibly been more wrong and that you're a baller.

And what will you do if Bass is lynched and is either unrecruited, recruited civ or recruiting civ?

Unrecruited? I'm totally fine with that.

Recruited/recruiter civilian? I'd be utterly shocked, wouldn't you?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Bass, I hope you understand that it's nothing personal, and if you still legitimately have questions for me, I'll try my best to address them. But I think I (and others) have made my (their) thoughts clear.

Linki: I'm not sure where I said I was lynching Bass because he's a good choice for recruitment.

You lnow me betterr then that man its a game. When golden get lyncheds and I'm right that dude is super shady this game then it will be worth it.
I understand that my answers have not been the best but its what I got I was honest and said I wasnt going to read everything I missed and the hurt me in the long run. Also I keep trying to play this game like last man standing because thats the only game thats kinda like this. Well this early in the game.

I can respect that.

Dude, if Golden gets lynched and flips recruiter/recruited mafia today, I will gladly admit that I couldn't have possibly been more wrong and that you're a baller.

Turnip Head, what are your thoughts?

Bass, I hope you understand that it's nothing personal, and if you still legitimately have questions for me, I'll try my best to address them. But I think I (and others) have made my (their) thoughts clear.

Linki: I'm not sure where I said I was lynching Bass because he's a good choice for recruitment.

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

If Bass is somehow a recruited mafia, my bet's on Rox for his teammate.

I am leaving the thread before I pee all over MP

Bummer.

Roxy wrote:I do not get why it is ok to lynch someone you do not think is recruited bc he is a good choice for recruitment - huh? Obv not bc it has led to a likely lynch.

I have been questioned over my suspicion but to me this is really weak.

Keep dreaming MP I see now you are indeed looking for easy lynches.

I don't understand your first line. Can you reword? I don't understand who "he" is.

You've been questioned over your suspicion because it seems several players do not legitimately understand fully why you suspect BWT. Perhaps you should realize that's not because we have skipped your posts but because it's not entirely clear.

I am, yeah? Okay then. Think what you want.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

If Bass is somehow a recruited mafia, my bet's on Rox for his teammate.

Its cars mafia all over again. lol

What do you think of Rox?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote: Oh I see well do you think its possible you don't doubt Golden because he was all about an MP save.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Your posts have been opportunistic and manipulative in tone. Why should I or anyone else trust you even remotely?

I was just asking a question? Put yourself in my shoes, would you have not asked the same thing?

No, I would not have asked that same thing. Nonetheless, I'll answer your question.

I've considered the fact that Golden seemed more intent on lynching you over me, but didn't seem to have too strong of an opinion on either of us, but it really has no effect on the fact that his posts read exactly the way he's been crafting them, all game.

If Bass is somehow a recruited mafia, my bet's on Rox for his teammate.

Rox, noted, thanks for elaborating.

I have to admit I'm also a bit confused as to what exactly your BWT suspicion is. Do you mind restating the main points?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I can definitely see how you (or anyone) would view Golden as a threat at this point. He basically stopped short of calling the Epignosis kill "a demonstration".

Well, I suppose you're right; I perhaps am not being understanding enough of the opposite perspective myself, but I'll still be very disappointed if Golden gets lynched and flips neutral (or, worse, civilian-aligned, but I would doubt that).

See what I dont understand is why people are cool with me flipping neutral. Can someone explain that to me?

People have been explaining it.

You appear to be coming up with suspicions and thoughts on players merely because you have to, particularly in your recent posts. For most of the game you only talked about me, saying things that just weren't true (whether they were intentional or a mistake, I don't know, but you didn't bother to back off of me at all despite the fact that I thought I addressed your suspicion), and thus you were unwilling to listen to me and consider that you could be wrong.

The way you interacted with Golden and others seems much more indicative of your mafia game, for my purposes, whereas literally everything I've read from Golden reads genuine to me. I have no doubt in my mind about Golden. I have every doubt in my mind about your intentions and I struggle to get behind your perspective in almost every post you've made this game.

Oh I see well do you think its possible you don't doubt Golden because he was all about an MP save.

And this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Your posts have been opportunistic and manipulative in tone. Why should I or anyone else trust you even remotely?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I can definitely see how you (or anyone) would view Golden as a threat at this point. He basically stopped short of calling the Epignosis kill "a demonstration".

Well, I suppose you're right; I perhaps am not being understanding enough of the opposite perspective myself, but I'll still be very disappointed if Golden gets lynched and flips neutral (or, worse, civilian-aligned, but I would doubt that).

See what I dont understand is why people are cool with me flipping neutral. Can someone explain that to me?

People have been explaining it.

You appear to be coming up with suspicions and thoughts on players merely because you have to, particularly in your recent posts. For most of the game you only talked about me, saying things that just weren't true (whether they were intentional or a mistake, I don't know, but you didn't bother to back off of me at all despite the fact that I thought I addressed your suspicion), and thus you were unwilling to listen to me and consider that you could be wrong.

The way you interacted with Golden and others seems much more indicative of your mafia game, for my purposes, whereas literally everything I've read from Golden reads genuine to me. I have no doubt in my mind about Golden. I have every doubt in my mind about your intentions and I struggle to get behind your perspective in almost every post you've made this game.

Turnip Head wrote:I can definitely see how you (or anyone) would view Golden as a threat at this point. He basically stopped short of calling the Epignosis kill "a demonstration".

Well, I suppose you're right; I perhaps am not being understanding enough of the opposite perspective myself, but I'll still be very disappointed if Golden gets lynched and flips neutral (or, worse, civilian-aligned, but I would doubt that).

S~V~S wrote:I disagree.

Well, so be it, I think it's naive to think otherwise, but that's just my take. The only reason you're being hard on Golden is because he's being honest about it.

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think people who vote BWT based in part on his Day 1 content including the "go civs" comment bear some obligation to comment on his Day 2 content. He has provided quite a bit of it and it needs to be acknowledged one way or another.

I agree, and I still demand explanation from BWT voters, because I've seen BWT as consistently genuine this game.

I am sorry if ya'll don't like my suspicion but it is my suspicion. Now he does this no u case on unfurl and I don't agree with any of it. I agrew with unfurl that some of his wording is similar to your (MP) wording from Day 1.

I feel good about my vote and am leaving it there.

Bass and his responses read to me like he is not recruited but maybe he has a "bad" role? iunno but I every time I go against my own gut I regret it.

Golden is reading as genuine - I guess I am just not as convinced as his voters seem to be.

got another page or so.

I'm totally fine with you suspecting whom you want. I just am seeing a totally different perspective on BWT than you are, apparently.

I think BWT tends to parrot players and suspicions more when he's civilian than when he's a mafia. What do you think?

You keep saying similar comments about Bass, but you're unwilling to pull the trigger. Why? What do you mean by the gut comment exactly?

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I never said he is playing like a baddie. I said he is not playing like civ-centric Golden. What if he decides I am incompatible with him? Or you? I am flabbergasted that anyone is actually defending this.

I believe that he killed Epi and is going for the WIFOM. And if Bass does not flip bad, I will wonder about the hard push for him at this point.

I agree he's not playing a civ-centric game, but I don't think he's playing a baddie game either. So in my mind that leaves neutral :P

He hasn't gone for the WIFOM though. He's playing the "I baited the NK" card, not the WIFOM card. I don't know... that would be ballsy as fuck if he killed Epi. And his attitude towards the whole thing has been truly bizarre. If he had the NK, I think Golden would have shut up a long time ago.

I agree completely.

S~V~S, I think, regardless of whether you want to admit it to yourself or anyone else wants to as well, that the vast majority of players are operating under a similar mindset to Golden at this stage in the game, and are merely playing for the civilians (1) for show, (2) to not attract attention, and/or (3) because they recognize the likelihood of being recruited to civilian side is more likely statistically, etc., or any combination. I do not think most players genuinely see themselves as 100% civilian at this point.

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:S~V~S, to elaborate, I suppose I just feel as though you're putting Golden up to an expectation that is unreasonable, considering he has been quite open about playing a neutral game, and that Epi was a serious threat to Golden's immediate livelihood. I think it's key to note how emotionally-charged Golden's play has been this game, due to being under constant defense for his well being, and from Epi for a while at that.

I feel his behavior in this game is contrary to his non-baddie meta as I know it.

Do you better understand it put like that?

I feel like Golden is playing similar to how he started out in HSK actually, sparring with Epignosis and all. He just took it... a little further this time. I've only seen Golden bad in one game, when he subbed back into Economics, and he played nothing like he is here. He was calm and collected and attracted no attention.

QFT

I still have nightmares of that game, between G-Man masquerading as The Joker and Golden the super secret most bad of all the baddies, lurking in the shadows.

What was wrong with my Joker posts? I loved making those.

Lol, I loved them, I was just making a joke, since The Joker appearing in nightmares saying some of the stuff you posted in that game in his voice would be kinda creepy. :P

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:S~V~S, to elaborate, I suppose I just feel as though you're putting Golden up to an expectation that is unreasonable, considering he has been quite open about playing a neutral game, and that Epi was a serious threat to Golden's immediate livelihood. I think it's key to note how emotionally-charged Golden's play has been this game, due to being under constant defense for his well being, and from Epi for a while at that.

I feel his behavior in this game is contrary to his non-baddie meta as I know it.

Do you better understand it put like that?

I feel like Golden is playing similar to how he started out in HSK actually, sparring with Epignosis and all. He just took it... a little further this time. I've only seen Golden bad in one game, when he subbed back into Economics, and he played nothing like he is here. He was calm and collected and attracted no attention.

QFT

I still have nightmares of that game, between G-Man masquerading as The Joker and Golden the super secret most bad of all the baddies, lurking in the shadows.

Not to mention that there's plenty to judge Bass by. What kind of answer is that?

TinyBubbles wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I perceived the Day 1 duel between Epignosis and Golden to be neutral-neutral, which is an uninspired read because nearly every interaction on Day 1 was neutral-neutral. This game is unique though, and I think a perspective of neutral-neutral -- one that is distinctly espoused as a read -- is akin to reading an interaction as civilian-civilian in a more typical game. In this regard I understand S~V~S's perspective about Epi in the context of the Day 1 discussion.

I don't think this reflects poorly on Golden, but I understand why S~V~S is pursuing this angle.

That's fair enough; I understand why she feels the way she does as well. I just am trying to help her see it from another perspective, since Golden's posts have just been oozing sincerity to me, and I feel he is being over scrutinized over other players.

golden always seems to attract a lot of enmity in every game, i feel like it's because he's just a good player that can "play" at mafia/civ equally well, better than most. it's ironically kind of a disadvantage, he has to work at convincing people of his civ ness more than most, i remember reading some time ago he should be lynched early just to be safe, which isn't fair.

i might vote him anyway despite what i said, because i don't have much info to go on at all with bass.

You're giving players an incentive to not play the game. I don't like that.

S~V~S wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:S~V~S, to elaborate, I suppose I just feel as though you're putting Golden up to an expectation that is unreasonable, considering he has been quite open about playing a neutral game, and that Epi was a serious threat to Golden's immediate livelihood. I think it's key to note how emotionally-charged Golden's play has been this game, due to being under constant defense for his well being, and from Epi for a while at that.

I feel his behavior in this game is contrary to his non-baddie meta as I know it.

Do you better understand it put like that?

Yeah, I understand exactly that's where you're coming from, and I don't even disagree with that. I think it's because he's unrecruited, as he's claimed. I don't think it's because he's a recruited mafia.

G-Man wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

nutella wrote:The vote spread/close tallies are a little concerning considering how many roles have vote manip powers in this position... we really have no way of knowing the correct tally and with a few candidates being so close, any one of them could end up being lynched.

I agree, and I highly implore anyone casting off votes at this point to consider placing them on Bass.

Okay but know that my vote switch has very little to do with any suspicion of Bass and I am in no way "flicking the booger" on you either. I'll vote to spread the vote out a little for science and to help keep Golden around for at least one more day.

VOTE CHANGED TO BASS

Duly noted, good sir.

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I just am trying to help her see it from another perspective, since Golden's posts have just been oozing sincerity to me, and I feel he is being over scrutinized over other players.

Who do you think should be scrutinized?

Well, everyone, in theory, but let's just take a look at some folks:

Bass - I've made my thoughts well known there, and to be fair, he is being scrutinized.
Canucklehead - Daisy made an interesting point about Canuck openly playing more neutral than even me, Golden, and timmer, yet no one is really paying her any attention.
Devin - I love the guy, but he's hardly posted any substantive content, and failed to deliver on questions I asked him from early in the game. What do folks think of him?
DFaraday - What do players think of him?
DharmaHelper - I think Jay made a good point that DH has been posting plenty but been constantly playing "catch up". Has anyone said anything about DH's Day 2 behavior yet?
DisgruntledPorcupine - Can anyone really say they think Golden deserves to be lynched over DP? No offense to DP, but come on.

And that's just looking at the top third or so of the player list. Took me like 2 minutes.

Now, does that mean I won't necessarily go after Golden later if I feel our interests no longer align? No fucking way.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I perceived the Day 1 duel between Epignosis and Golden to be neutral-neutral, which is an uninspired read because nearly every interaction on Day 1 was neutral-neutral. This game is unique though, and I think a perspective of neutral-neutral -- one that is distinctly espoused as a read -- is akin to reading an interaction as civilian-civilian in a more typical game. In this regard I understand S~V~S's perspective about Epi in the context of the Day 1 discussion.

I don't think this reflects poorly on Golden, but I understand why S~V~S is pursuing this angle.

That's fair enough; I understand why she feels the way she does as well. I just am trying to help her see it from another perspective, since Golden's posts have just been oozing sincerity to me, and I feel he is being over scrutinized over other players.

S~V~S, to elaborate, I suppose I just feel as though you're putting Golden up to an expectation that is unreasonable, considering he has been quite open about playing a neutral game, and that Epi was a serious threat to Golden's immediate livelihood. I think it's key to note how emotionally-charged Golden's play has been this game, due to being under constant defense for his well being, and from Epi for a while at that.

Noted, S~V~S, thanks.

nutella wrote:The vote spread/close tallies are a little concerning considering how many roles have vote manip powers in this position... we really have no way of knowing the correct tally and with a few candidates being so close, any one of them could end up being lynched.

I agree, and I highly implore anyone casting off votes at this point to consider placing them on Bass.

S~V~S wrote:It's not that I don't think it's ballsy; I think it is uncharacteristic to the point of lunacy.

And JJJ, ask Golden if my assessment is not correct, since you want proof of five years of accumulated experience (albeit that part of it involved hiatuses) of Goldens gameplay. I have NEVER seen civ Golden make a selfish move, and i am hard put to think of a time Indy Golden did so. I might admire this move in some players; but not in Golden. It feels false and it feels bad.

Linki @ Golden~ but everyone else who expressed an opinion DID think he was a civ. And you disregarded us totally.

You and these others seriously thought Epignosis was a civilian recruiter or the first recruited?

I want to see substantiation for this because I do not remember this conversation.

Spacedaisy, Russ said in Angry Birds that he asked to be replaced in this game.
JaggedJimmyJay, noted, thanks.

I'll come up with a Rainbow List after I finish this post.


JaggedJimmyJay, you're exactly right. I don't know why anyone would want to recruit me. I know they don't have that much of a choice with more recent contests (and probably ones going forward), but I really haven't understand why people are voting me.
Golden, I agree 100% re: this observation with BWT. I find his post (as well as his conduct in general) genuine as well.
JaggedJimmyJay, I'm glad you made this observation re: Scotty's post. It didn't seem like the civilian Scotty I knew, but I realize most everyone is neutral, and it's been hard for me to feel as though I can legitimately analyze and pick apart my accusers, since I often exhibit tunnel vision against players that suspect me, a fact I fully recognize.

I'm intrigued to see Scotty's response when he returns to the game.
Golden, I can 100% relate with you this game. This game has taken a ridiculous emotional toll on me as well, especially since this past weekend I had perhaps my biggest mental and emotional breakdown I've had in my entire PhD program tenure. Thankfully, today I've felt much more like my normal self.

I do NOT understand all of the Golden bashing and will do anything to keep him alive in this game, because I firmly believe Golden is a neutral and has been genuine with all of his thoughts this game.

I also see absolutely nothing wrong with his move against Epi, especially as someone who has been on the receiving end of his antics before. S~V~S and others, seriously try to put yourself in Golden's shoes, and then rethink his actions with an open mind. I don't see it as uncharacteristic at all. I NKed Epi in N1 of Economics, regardless of whether he was mafia, because I wanted him gone like Golden wanted Epi gone here. I can absolutely relate to Golden's feelings as he's expressed them.
Llama, don't sweat it, buddy. I look forward to you reentering the game soon.
Rico, thanks for being understand. I'm willing to move on as well and start a completely new opinion of you this game. Anything I was thinking of you earlier was entirely unfair. I appreciate the sentiment.
JaggedJimmyJay, to answer your questions about Bass's response:

1) It very much appears to me as though Bass's thoughts on practically everyone he's talked about this game, myself included, are fabricated, due to a lack of adequate and reasonable explanation for why he thinks what he does, and completely lacking a willingness to listen. In addition, I agree with Bullzeye that Bass picked players that were easiest to commit to reads on, and such reads were far from truly substantive. Bass isn't exactly a verbose kind of guy, but if he actually cared, I'd expect more of an honest attempt from him to connect with other players, listen to them, and better explain his thoughts on players with detailed reasons, especially since I'd say he's proven himself capable of these before. It seems like he picked the players out of thin air and tried to come up with something to say about them, especially since he's indicated no such inclinations or thoughts previously at all, instead focusing entirely on me every time he's popped into the thread until just recently.

1a) Yes.

1b) Depends on what you mean by "a lot", but I think so.

1c) Deflection.

At this stage, I could see Bass as a neutral, or a mafia, but not as a civilian at all. I heavily support his lynch, since Golden is the only other player who is in the hot seat at the moment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think people who vote BWT based in part on his Day 1 content including the "go civs" comment bear some obligation to comment on his Day 2 content. He has provided quite a bit of it and it needs to be acknowledged one way or another.

I agree, and I still demand explanation from BWT voters, because I've seen BWT as consistently genuine this game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Nevermind replacement. I'll soldier on after work.

Glad to have you Jay!

Likewise. Glad to see you back in full form, Jay.

Warning, this post is probably somewhat OT and is not necessary to read, but just wanted to say it all. Nonetheless, it does have some game-related relevance with respect to my behavior

Dom wrote: You really think MP's response was out of character?
You think Alex being suspected, overreacting, and being rather unreasonable in the thread is unusual????
I would be suspicious if he DIDN'T do that.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I'm going to go ahead and place my vote on bass to help MP out. To me he sounds like genuine, frustrated, overreacting, emotional, explosive, f u MP (Don't take any of these to heart buddy ) and I'd hate to see him go out for it yet again. Also, I like Golden's "case" on bass. :parrotsmilie:

You guys are awesome.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:For the whole MP vs. llama thing, I'm absolutely not surprised at all that MP reacted the way he did. I've almost come to expect at least one emotional outburst from him per game. While he's done it both as a baddie and a civvie, I'm not getting any baddie vibes from him on this front.

Just highlighting BWT's post because it was convenient, but many folks have said something similar, and I'm going to comment seriously on it now.

I realize particularly since I've started the PhD exactly one year ago that mafia games have seen me become increasingly emotionally charged; I feel like it's easy for any negative feelings I feel in mafia games feed into my PhD program frustration and vice versa. I honestly thought I'd have to quit playing mafia when I started the PhD, but I quickly started feeling as though I was going insane, and mafia is my main source of social interaction. I love the game. I love you all. It's hard to stay away, since mafia has given me something to think about that isn't the PhD program. It's served a great purpose. Simultaneously, it also has been an inevitable source of frustration.

What can I say? I'm a passionate guy. But I've had embarrassing moments where I've come across indignant rather than passionate, which have increased exponentially over the past year.

I absolutely hate the fact that this has become a hallmark of my style. I think I really need to force myself into a temporary retirement and concentrate on my studies 100%, instead of emotionally overexhausting myself via mafia and the program. I've thrown that idea around off and on this whole PhD stage, but never been able to really pull the trigger.

I intend to give this game my all and really play my best, try to avoid any further mafia consternation, and respectfully bow out from playing for a while once this game and Angry Birds are over. I just want to say again that I do apologize particularly to Llama and Rico. Some of what I said was worded very poorly.

I'll comment on purely game-related content ASAP.

I'd really rather not die.

Also, nice song, G-Man.

I just wanted to say I'm sorry, all, I had a pretty rough day. Doesn't excuse the tone of some of my posts today though. I'll be back to normal soon. Not sure I'll be back before deadline though, so see you all when I see ya.

S~V~S wrote:I was not aware of that momentum. Perhaps you should seek replacement.

I'm not asking to be replaced, when other players who legitimately need replacements should have them before me. I just am feeling "whatever" if I die today. I already have three votes and players seem intent to question my motives at every possible opportunity, which is part of the game. I just don't have the energy anymore. I really wanted to play this game and actually survive past Day 2, but if players want to lynch me, what can I really do about it?

I don't think everyone fully comprehends that most players are truly only looking out for themselves right now, even if still are trying to do it all under the guise of helping the civilians.

Seems people want me dead. That's fine, so be it. It's an inevitable quality of this game having an overwhelming majority of neutrals right now and due to the fact that I always seem to attract suspicion.

I want Position 4 because it benefits my role. Sorry it doesn't benefit a lot of your roles.

Bass is willing to use lies and/or misrepresentation to even get me lynched and still refuses to address mine and JJJ's questions about the fact that he thinks I'm a recruiter for saying something that's the OPPOSITE of what I've said. Not only that, but Bass seems very clearly to not be reading the thread, yet in the conversation with Golden had knowledge of:
1) The fact that I was, at some point, not caught up with the thread.
2) My comment about not wanting to recruit Spacedaisy

Yet seems to ignore a lot of other posts that would conveniently argue his assertion that I'm bad, including a post from Daisy that explained the Narrator situation in Champions 2014. I'm therefore totally OK with Bass getting lynched. He doesn't seem to care at all that I might be eventually recruited to be a civilian or that I'm neutral right now. Whatever.

G-Man, I get it. You don't like my playstyle. I don't bully people on purpose, but think what you want. I feel bad enough as it is, I don't need to come in here and see people bashing my posts.

It's evident from this cycle that mafia is adversely affecting my life satisfaction. The negative vibes from my PhD program are bleeding into my posts and the frustration from mafia is bleeding into a lack of motivation for my PhD. With a new semester starting, I should not already be feeling massive burnout that I've been struggling with all summer.

Go ahead and vote me off if you wish, all of you, since there's clearly momentum forming that way and I doubt it'll go away any time soon. I don't have the desire to defend myself for days on end again. Not sure what I can say at this point that I haven't already anyway.

Now I can slink away again. Stuff to get done. Not sure how much I'll be around the rest of D2, just a warning, since Mondays and Wednesdays are my busiest days this semester.

Oops, maybe I should quote posts in one big post and spoiler the quotes, just to make it easier to read. Sorry for the multiple posts.
Scotty, thanks, duly noted. I'm not using Angry Birds as an excuse; I just was listing literally every thing that was agitating me (except PhD work, but the fact that I always have 9,001 things to get done at any given time is always agitating).

I try to check it at the door as much as I can. I feel like I am mostly stressed for in-game reasons, but there's no denying that I have a lot of pressure on myself at any given moment due to RL factors, so I am more likely to get upset than I otherwise should be or would like to be. I often think I try my best to control it. But... continuous improvement.

So why did I receive your vote exactly?
unfurl, noted re: Fight Club.

You really think I haven't been trying this game?
Canuck, thanks for your thoughts on the matter. I admittedly have a hard time not getting caught up in the moment at least once almost every game I play, even though I am embarrassed whenever I get emotional in games and try my best to avoid it. I just really get invested in games. And RR was fabricated, but yeah... knew that would haunt me for a while. :P

What other current suspects do you have (other than your next post which I will address in a second)?
Canuck, regarding your observation here with the interaction between DH and Daisy, it's an interesting point. I can see why you came to that conclusion, but I personally find nothing of use in it, no offense intended. Despite knowing Daisy really well, I openly admit I'm not always the best at reading her in mafia games, so may that be known.

Nonetheless, I feel pretty strongly that Daisy's response is in character for her. I joke with her all the time about Golden being her brain twin because they do think a lot alike. I don't really see anything in her response that seems too serious or anything like that. If anything, I might be suspicious if she had responded in a jokey manner, because that indicates to me that she felt a reason not to give DH a straight-shooter answer.

Does that make sense?

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Why would MP go out of his way to say Daisy wouldn't make a good recruit? If course she would make a good recruit. His response was completely unnecessary. Looks like a massive over correction to me. Either he has already recruited her or he intends to. MP has a good chance of receiving my vote today.

I can get behind an MP lynch

Jerk.

Good thing I cooled down before reading this. :P

Boomslang wrote:Now that we've got this MP/Llama stuff, can be return to talking about Golden? The whole "I baited the baddies into a making the kill for me" line seems... unlikely to me. How could he have known that Epi was on the baddie team opposite from the one making the kill, unless he himself was on the baddie team making the kill?

I honestly think Golden was so OTT frustrated with Epi that he wanted to get rid of Epi in any way he possibly could, whether by lynch or someone NKing him. I don't think Golden knew anything. He just said whatever he could to try to get Epi dead, not knowing whether it would work.

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I don't think that was a threat, I think he was just playing around, apparently I became his dance partner without knowing it. Which is totally fine with me, as long as he doesn't mind me stepping on his feet, because I can't dance...

Well allow me to teach you afew steps! pay attention and you may learn something new!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't care if other people want to dance around it. But I'm the admin here. And it's uncomfortable as fuck whenever Llama and Rico interact almost all of the time. I don't know how you all feel. But they clearly never see eye to eye and have the worst passive aggressive arguments of any two players I see on this site. So yeah, when I say Rico was going after Llama for shit he always pulls, yeah, that's why I dismissed it completely.

AAYYYYYY!!!

Boomslang wrote:DrWilgy just kind of did a drive-by; analysis is apparently forthcoming, but I don't see why he didn't delay his vote until he could post that justification, as we still have plenty of time.

I think Llama has a point, and I think you've been very aggressive in your defense. Which doesn't make you bad, but it does indicate you're taking the suspicion fairly seriously.

Do not worry good Boomslang! the analysis is coming, and I believe I got what I wanted out of voting for Llama.

Vote registered for MovingPictures07

Now MP, tell me why this pattern is forming. You have voted for someone who has already been voted for and it's been the second vote both times. I'm addressing this now, due to your aggression levels. Do respond when you can.

I voted for unfurl D1 because I was in a rush and based on my own suspicion at the time, not due to the fact that you had already voted for her.

As to today, well, I got caught up in the moment, and knew my vote was changeable, so I voted Llama. Don't know. I think you can read the posts for yourself and make your own conclusion.

So are you voting for me because of the pattern or what? I don't understand.

I feel ashamed of my conduct, and I have plenty of PhD work to do, so I'm going to slink away from the thread now.

Vote registered for Bass_the_Clever

He needs to post again, particularly to clarify the fact that he proposes I was a recruiter for something that was the exact opposite of what I said.

EBWOP: And by that I mean, you've made valid points, Boomslang.

Boomslang wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Boomslang wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm confused. I mean I know what is going on with MP voting llama, but where are these other votes coming from? I feel like I've missed a step somewhere...

I definitely agree with this. I see llama throwing some shade at MP and MP throwing his weight around to discourage that shade. But that's a one-on-one interaction, and I don't see much else that justifies the votes of MM or DrWilgy. They seem opportunistic.

linki: And there's DrWilgy with a vague threat! The plot thickens!

What do you make of what Llama has thrown at me?

Whose actions are justified? Why?

Although MM did vote for Llama first, you'll see that the timing of his vote post (11:37) comes after Llama's initial attack on you (10:09) and immediately after your response (11:36). I'm willing to bet he saw that tension brewing and threw in his vote as a contribution to the reaction you're now leading. Smart play, and a good assist to possibly knocking him out. DrWilgy just kind of did a drive-by; analysis is apparently forthcoming, but I don't see why he didn't delay his vote until he could post that justification, as we still have plenty of time.

I think Llama has a point, and I think you've been very aggressive in your defense. Which doesn't make you bad, but it does indicate you're taking the suspicion fairly seriously.

linki: Gah, this game moves so fast.

Not arguing with any of this.