The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:57 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:35 pm I'm not getting mislynched as town in my second game back on The Syndicate in multiple years. It's never happening.
And I don't like this attitude either. I get not wanting to be mislynched if you are in fact town, but the way you keep saying this is manipulative and weasely. You're using your power as a respected player around here to try to squeeze your way out of being a lynch candidate, because you know that if you can survive longer you can become more and more credible in the thread due to sheer volume of participation. You're setting yourself up to powerwolf.

If I'm setting myself up to powerwolf, I'm doing a pretty shitty job.

Which is it? Do you respect my scum game so much that you're going to lynch me out of fear and cowardice on Day 1, or am I doing a shitty job?

This goes for speedchuck as well.

This suspicion is horseshit, and I will be salty for years to come about this.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:53 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:55 pm Also, my early scum read of MP was not totally a joke. I retracted it, but it did actually come back as his later posts felt wrong/forced somehow. His town meta can look beep-boopy but he's seemed a bit too far in that extreme so far and if he doesn't start doing more I'd be happy with lynching him.
Same
And so I ask you, which posts specifically?
All/None of them. It was the number of them that felt forced.

I saw no armor-piercing questions, no stances, no substantial accusations, nothing. I don't even remember anything worthwhile from those posts. Maybe it was just early, because your entrance today came down with hard townreads, scumteam theorizing, etc, which is a somewhat better look.

Forgive me for wanting to play this fucking game. I was shitposting. I'm now not.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:54 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:35 pm I honestly think nutella's push on me is absolute garbage, and I don't mean that as fabricated because she could easily be town and it could be garbage, and I need her to specifically tell me what posts of mine sounded forced and how she thought that meant I would be scum in this game.
I honestly mean it when I say all of them. It's a tone thing. It's the way you've responded to lots of different posts with something like "yeah, that makes a lot of sense" and are exuding a general appearance of being overly logical and analytical towards each and every possible angle. It's a general sense that you are coming across as a caricature of your usual meta.

Do you know me?

I'll be back, other people should say things.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:18 pm LC seems supradefensive.

112, how does this inform your read of LC specifically?

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:40 am
112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:38 am
DrWigly's entrance was fishy and I agree with Nute's quick wit about calling him on it.

Hyena is a tricky player but I think is deserving of the benefit of the doubt at least until LyLo (or later this round, your call).
My one concern about nute is how she goes back and forth between M-Plus being wolf; is it genuine, or is she mimicking townthought through her back-and-forth on him? I'm inclined to say she's town, but it's good to get something down here.

This could support my scorching hot take that I'm not sure I even believe that nutella and 112 are scummates, as this is one of the more waffly things 112 has said in her ISO. Like, there's being transparent, which I totally get, but what purpose does that underlined thing even serve?

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:38 am DrWigly's entrance was fishy and I agree with Nute's quick wit about calling him on it.

Hyena is a tricky player but I think is deserving of the benefit of the doubt at least until LyLo (or later this round, your call).

Hey 112, I believe I spoke to Wilgy and said his NAI entrance is always something like "I'm (not) a doctor / X and whatever", so can you talk to me about why you think it was fishy if there is a point otherwise?

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]

I need you, friend. Let's generate some content. As soon as you get back in here, I want you to engage me specifically in your reads.

"MP seems weird in a bad way he cleared Nutella really quickly and is a gut bad ping right now."

This is also just... I can't even. It's like he still doesn't know how I play this game all these years later.

Now I know sig is one of the most often mislynched players on our site, but let's talk about this post some more:

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:38 pm Not a fan of Nanook/Nutella interaction. But, on their own they're Null.
Radish is my first civ lean, not only was his joke funny, but he doesn't seem bad.
Speed seems okay.
MP seems weird in a bad way he cleared Nutella really quickly and is a gut bad ping right now.
Hyena seems so excited that it's tiring.
Juliet seems like her normal self
LC is a bit off, which probably means he's civ.
112, DDL, Wilgy no clue.
TSP is a gut ping.

I just did a quick skim will probably dig in a bit more later tonight.

linki: Heeeeey

What do people think of this? Is it a reasonable set of perceptions based on thread happenings?

Against my typical habits, I'm actively avoiding sharing a rainbow list right now because my reads are very much in flux right now regarding the most active posters, and otherwise more people need to be pressured before this game is over.

Hey LC, what are your reads buddy?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:27 pm Ok this sounds more like the civ MPlus7 I remember.

What about it specifically?

I'm not getting mislynched as town in my second game back on The Syndicate in multiple years. It's never happening.

I honestly think nutella's push on me is absolute garbage, and I don't mean that as fabricated because she could easily be town and it could be garbage, and I need her to specifically tell me what posts of mine sounded forced and how she thought that meant I would be scum in this game.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:55 pm Also, my early scum read of MP was not totally a joke. I retracted it, but it did actually come back as his later posts felt wrong/forced somehow. His town meta can look beep-boopy but he's seemed a bit too far in that extreme so far and if he doesn't start doing more I'd be happy with lynching him.
His posts felt overly excited to me but I can't decide if that's just because he's thrilled to be playing with us or he's trying too hard to sound civ. He said last night he would be here more today, maybe he meant this evening. I need to hear more from him.

I think you're one of my favorite people, juliets, but the "try too hard" accusation is IMO one of the silliest that's ever been thrown at me, or in general.

If I'm scum, you'll find out through my actual content and tone throughout the game, not because of my effort. My effort is 100% a product of my availability and investment.

And I'm playing a fraction of normal MP7 right now because I'm incredibly involved in a pivotal phase of another game, and I'll leave it at that.

I liked 112's entrance a whole fuckton, but I need to feel this out. Let's interact.

[VOTE: 112] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:36 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:31 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine
.....Didn't you say MR was lock town
It wasn't a serious post.

And let me throw the shade back at you whataboutistically and ask: how do I know you're not playing up the 'I suck as mafia' angle in order to get people to look away from you?
Because it's true? Because I'm not worried about anyone looking at me in the first place?

Hot take: this interaction is between two scummates.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:21 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.
Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

I don't even agree with DDL telling someone how to play and I'm not sure that's what he was going for, but I think it's clear why someone could suspect you for making a series of two statements where the second leaves clear room for you to be wrong about the first.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:31 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine
.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

She walked it down with reasoning immediately. Did you miss that?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

This man is motherfucking town.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:01 pm
Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:55 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?
Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!
Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.
I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.
"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:49 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:56 pm

read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one
You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that
Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.
Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button
I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.
"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?
Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.

Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.
Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.
I'm TRing LC. He's my strongest TR in fact. I thought I had made that clear.

This feels like you picked someone who had a bit of shade previously (me) and nitpicked the language used to form a case.

I don't like it.

Hey MR, try to explain this to me to make it not sound like OMGUS.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

I still think he's mildly suspicious tbh, but he is actively contributing and I want to pressure elsewhere before this EoD.

What else you got?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:55 pm
Spoiler: show

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:59 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:32 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:18 pm Did Nanook vote for me?
Yes, Nanook voted for you, and he still is!
Extra ugly, due to non-call in the thread.
I want to townread LC for not noticing a vote on him.

Either that or he's wolf/wolf with Nook.
"I want to townread LC".

Then do it. Townread him. Or not.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:49 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:59 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:56 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:41 pm

You just watched me play a very distinctive scumgame sir. Is it my town game you're missing?
read: compare this to my other scum game which is nothing like this one
You are being very uncharitable sir. I'll have you know my town games are nothing like this one either.

But i wanted to know what nanook thought of that
Tony and Nanook might be mafia partners. +112, that might be the scum team right there.
Dang you got us. Where’s the resign button
I wasn't very serious about the LC/Nook thing, but actually this post pings me. I feel the 'haha guess you got me' thing is such a scum thing to say here.
"I wasn't serious"

"this post actually pings me"

Then uses a superlative in the next post, to make it sound like he's sure LC is bad.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:55 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:58 pm I wonder which over-discusser of 'spew' is the wolf?
Love this thought. Another townie point for LC.

Caveat: I've read LC wrong every game I've played with him.
Caveat: I'm full of shit.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

It's okay to be unsure about someone's alignment, but go ahead and say you are unsure. This feel like playing both sides at once.

This is town DDL.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:46 pm Here's where I'm at

Long Con
Master Radishes
112
Hyena
juliets
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Poison Chan
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime
M Plus 7

Damn I forgot Wilgy was even in the game, lol. Also had a hard time placing Jack as he hasn't said much of substance yet. Keeping an eye out for him.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine I feel more secure in this than in a Tony vote atm.

I'll burn this thread to the ground before I allow a D1 mislynch to happen.

Great move though, guys, trying to get me more invested by suspecting me Day 1. Galaxy brain stuff.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:55 pm Also, my early scum read of MP was not totally a joke. I retracted it, but it did actually come back as his later posts felt wrong/forced somehow. His town meta can look beep-boopy but he's seemed a bit too far in that extreme so far and if he doesn't start doing more I'd be happy with lynching him.
Same

And so I ask you, which posts specifically?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:14 pm Like come on guys, that slot is probabilistically more likely town than not, whereas we have thread content to analyze for all other slots that may help us determine that someone has more likelihood to be scum. Not to get mathy about it but it's just all around a dumb thing to do to lynch that slot. Allow me to say it -- it's -EV.

If you're going to actually get on this line of thinking and talk about -EV plays, then tell me how lynching me D1 isn't -EV.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:00 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:53 pm Tony has very few game relevant posts. He's spent more time talking about spew and alex jones than actually playing. I don't have a problem with his initial ddl vote, but the fact that his only suspicions come down to ddl=bad and speed=disingenous is not great.

He did say he was playing in three games at once, but he's had time to post here. Even gut reactions would be nice, but scum don't have guts.
Yeah, I noticed the lack of game relevant posts, too. I think the main thing that had kept me from joining his wagon in the last 12-24 hours was that Long Con was on the wagon. I like him more now though, and MR has been continuing to settle into town territory in my head.

I might try to start a wagon on a lurker though (Poison in this case since Nanook seems open to them), just to see what happens.

What do you think would happen, and how would that inform your reads if the subject of your vote isn't really posting?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:55 pm Also, my early scum read of MP was not totally a joke. I retracted it, but it did actually come back as his later posts felt wrong/forced somehow. His town meta can look beep-boopy but he's seemed a bit too far in that extreme so far and if he doesn't start doing more I'd be happy with lynching him.

Which posts specifically?

Lynching me on D1 in any given game is a ballsy move; I clear myself pretty easily over time.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:40 pm I feel reasonably confident at this point that LC and MR are town. I also found DDL's more recent posts towny (for reasons I believe MR described) but I also thought 112's take on his lack of enthusiasm as potentially AI made sense, so I'm more ambivalent there. I do really vibe with MR's Tony gripes so gonna move my vote there. [VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

Can you expand on your confidence there?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 am So I agree the speed on juliets was kind of dumb. That kind of arguments works on a generic mafia player but not on juliets since she is doing the usual juliets thing. That said speed is the kind of guy who makes crappy cases on day 1 just to produce reactions. I think the last two times I saw him doing that he was town? So yeah not super sus about him rn.

Nutella feels very town. Also liked 112's train of thought even if I'm not sure she is right, so she feels town too. Radishes defended it with a generic "I always do that" defense which is annoying but might as well be true.

Not reading anyone else tbh. I guess LC feels like a bit of nonpresence so I might vote there? Maybe.

Would you say that's different than LC normally?

Catching up now. I'm multigaming (champs practice game on MU and I won't say more than that) and working from home, so I'm wearing myself a bit thinner than I'd like.

I'm rather pre-occupied with other things, by the way, so I'm splitting my free time pretty heavily right now. Expect me to do more things tomorrow.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:17 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:08 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:38 pm Not a fan of Nanook/Nutella interaction. But, on their own they're Null.
Radish is my first civ lean, not only was his joke funny, but he doesn't seem bad.
Speed seems okay.
MP seems weird in a bad way he cleared Nutella really quickly and is a gut bad ping right now.
Hyena seems so excited that it's tiring.
Juliet seems like her normal self
LC is a bit off, which probably means he's civ.
112, DDL, Wilgy no clue.
TSP is a gut ping.

I just did a quick skim will probably dig in a bit more later tonight.

linki: Heeeeey
It wouldn't be a game we play together without you suspecting me for throwing out early reads or content.
I mean true lol. I was usually right though.

Doesn't mean it's AI, lol.

I bet you all missed me posting a million times in a row.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:52 pm I didn't think it necessarily had to do with being caught? I've seen it used as an after the fact thing, as in when someone flips wolf you go back to see what they said about certain players in case they inadvertently "reveal" whether someone is aligned or antialigned with them. That's how I understand spew anyway
Ehh, not my exact understanding of it. Spewing happens when a wolf is still alive according to how I use the term.

This is my understanding of it as well.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:43 pm Spew is one of those things that Serious Mafia Players talk about as if it’s meaningful.

It isn’t.
Woah I'm going to have to get serious and maybe disagree with you here. It has its time and place.

Game theory mindmeld

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:43 pm Spew is one of those things that Serious Mafia Players talk about as if it’s meaningful.

It isn’t.

Damn son.

It can be meaningful.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:37 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:22 pm @Hyena could you talk to me about your 112 read? My first impression of her today was town, mostly because her posts seemed free flowing and not thought out. What are you seeing that leads you to think she might be scum? I don't play regularly with her so I don't really have meta data.
Okay, so for 112, it's more of a gut read at the moment. I'm getting vibes similar to the ones I got from both her AND Evenstar in the champs game I played with them in last year. Specifically, it's the "Hyena's a tricky player" thing she said. Evenstar said something to that effect and pocketed me with it, so it pings me whenever I see something along those lines. It's even more suspicious to me since 112 also said she immediately townread me and Nutella from, like, page 1.

I townread Hyena for this read even if I'm not sure I agree with it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:21 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:26 pm nute powerwolfing book it
If she is I’ll say we should TK her D2, nobody will listen, then I’ll die N2 and she’ll get TKed D3 while everyone pretends no one could’ve known before that.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:00 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:54 pm [VOTE: ddl] aubergine prod
HEY!

Why are you buddying up with Nanook and not with me?!? D: You seemed excited in the sign up thread when I joined that game!

You can be my friend, Hyena!

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:38 pm Not a fan of Nanook/Nutella interaction. But, on their own they're Null.
Radish is my first civ lean, not only was his joke funny, but he doesn't seem bad.
Speed seems okay.
MP seems weird in a bad way he cleared Nutella really quickly and is a gut bad ping right now.
Hyena seems so excited that it's tiring.
Juliet seems like her normal self
LC is a bit off, which probably means he's civ.
112, DDL, Wilgy no clue.
TSP is a gut ping.

I just did a quick skim will probably dig in a bit more later tonight.

linki: Heeeeey

It wouldn't be a game we play together without you suspecting me for throwing out early reads or content.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:21 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:19 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:18 pm LC seems supradefensive.
explain
idk he's just being kind of short with people who place even a bit of suspicion on him

I'd say it's relatively NAI, but hard to say.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 5:02 pm WTF is "stilted"?
apparently me

I didn't intend it with any negative connotations, to be fair.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:26 pm Wtf is handery turvying

I don't really have any opinion of speedchuck yet, although I will say that he's certainly more aggressive than I remember him being. I like the effort regardless.

I have very limited experience with Tony but I remember him feeling sort of stilted in general. Can anyone add to that?

112 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:59 pm What if Tony and MR are both scum?

Possible? I'm not feeling it because it would be risky, right?

But this game could be somewhat on easy mode, and if so, maybe you're just right.

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