The Syndicate

Okay, so Elo, Epi, and Luna, at least 1 of you is bad, probably 2. What are your reads right now and why?

Well, okay then. RIP sig as well.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:13 pm I'd also note that Epi's response to me is being snarky or NO Uing

The framing argument makes no sense, I'm mafia who wants to lynch Epi, but instead of killing him I kill someone who's inactive so I can try to lead a lynch against him, even though I'd know he was a civ?

How does that make no sense, especially paired with your actions previously in this game?

RIP Kyle.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:10 pm I don't like how MP voted for me and not Kyle or Epi. Seems like a good way to avoid the fallout no matter what who would've flipped.

I voted my suspicion; at the time of my vote, you had 2, and I didn't even keep up with the vote changes. I was fine with a lynch of either of you, and I take full responsibility for that.

I don't like how your suspicions seem manipulative.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:07 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:06 pm New reads list:

Likely town: Epi

Slight town: Luna, Elo

????: Lapluie

Slight mafia: Kyle, sig

Only slightly town? May I ask why, and how I can prove to you my towniness?

I think you seem genuine in your interactions with myself and others; I'm just trying to figure you out. I suppose you've dropped a bit just due to POE (process of elimination) and because I can increasingly conceive of a game in which you're a newbie baddie capitalizing on extant suspicions in the thread, and I'm having some trouble following your train of thought at times (pun not intended). I don't find it convincing, but it's possible.

What are your reads right now?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:07 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:04 pm Ugh. I'm torn right now. But I think I'm starting to come around on sig. I'm voting for him. It seems to me he's way more interested in getting rid of Epi than he is actually finding baddies, and I don't get how he can't see why Epi would pursue the strategy he has. The inactive kill and his fixation on it also make me wonder if he's more likely bad and trying to frame Epi (and now lynch him) than he is genuinely trying to understand anyone else's mindset and hunt.

I'm pursuing the player I think is mafia. I've been hunting other players as well so I think this is false. I get why he's pursuing his strategy I think it's anti town. I also disagree with the framing argument, that's a very WIFOM reason and commonly a strategy used by the mafia.

Who are the other players, me and Luna?

Look, I recognize there's a reality in which you're tunneling as a townie, which is what I previously was inclined to believe. Your posts seem increasingly uncompromising and manipulative, however, because you're not making any effort to understand where anyone else is coming from, just dismissing them.

I don't understand your disagreement with the framing argument; it seems to me you're supporting my speculation.

Oh, well, I see Kyle's being lynched then. That works.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:06 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 4:05 pm Kyle, I could assert you seem way more interested in defending yourself than you are hunting for baddies, and that is worthy of suspicion. What would you say to that?

I am interested in defense cus there is offense to be defended from

The best defense is a good offense. You say you've been analyzing. Give us something.

New reads list:

Likely town: Epi

Slight town: Luna, Elo

????: Lapluie

Slight mafia: Kyle, sig

Kyle, I could assert you seem way more interested in defending yourself than you are hunting for baddies, and that is worthy of suspicion. What would you say to that?

Ugh. I'm torn right now. But I think I'm starting to come around on sig. I'm voting for him. It seems to me he's way more interested in getting rid of Epi than he is actually finding baddies, and I don't get how he can't see why Epi would pursue the strategy he has. The inactive kill and his fixation on it also make me wonder if he's more likely bad and trying to frame Epi (and now lynch him) than he is genuinely trying to understand anyone else's mindset and hunt.

I do agree Kyle has given the thread nothingburgers though. I'm underwhelmed.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:57 pm I moved to Kylemii. He's exhibiting that sort of "paralysis," as it were, that he talked about experiencing when he is bad.

Reference?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:55 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:54 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:51 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:47 pm ok..I am here and attentive now. I was working on a cake order, sorry.

Reads?

the more I think about it, as I said, I think Epi's tone has been playful. He made the comment about getting rid of nonposters Day 1. He poked fun saying I killed Nova. I think sig should see this and not actually sus him for it. SO I would vote sig

playful maybe, but he still went after someone who's inactive which I dislike.

sig, isn't there a difference between someone following a strategy you disagree with, and someone actually being scum? How does Epi play benefit him or his faction if he's scum?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:54 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:48 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:47 pm ok..I am here and attentive now. I was working on a cake order, sorry.

Was that before or after you killed nova?

Do you think Elo would kill an inactive?

I think she would choose to silence a talker.

Yeah, I don't know that Elo would kill an inactive either, but I honestly don't know. Thanks for the input.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:54 pm Also TS vet would be MP, Epi, Eloh out of the ones in game who usually are more likely to go for inactives imo.

I'm not good at NKA, so I'm not one to ask, but I think it's theoretically possible anyone wanted to remove an inactive for any number of reasons -- frame someone, make the game more fun, make an untraceable kill, whatever.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:54 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:51 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:47 pm ok..I am here and attentive now. I was working on a cake order, sorry.

Reads?

the more I think about it, as I said, I think Epi's tone has been playful. He made the comment about getting rid of nonposters Day 1. He poked fun saying I killed Nova. I think sig should see this and not actually sus him for it. SO I would vote sig

You think Epi's tone being playful makes him more likely to be town then, and that sig is suspect because he doesn't agree with you?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:53 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:52 pm sig, do you suspect Epi or Luna or both? I can't follow who you're talking about sometimes.

Luna explained her votes which is what I wanted to know. I currently suspect Epi.

Got it, thanks.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:52 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:51 pm Okay, maybe sig is full of shit. I'd like to think not and that he's still hair-brained town sig, but who knows at this point.

Why full of shit?

I just can't follow your thought process, and I thought that maybe you seemed intent on getting Epi lynched as opposed to actually finding scum, but that's why I asked for clarification. I'm not sure.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:52 pm My tin foil scum read is MP and I seem to remember he always says I'm good when he's bad. The other was kyle? and I've no thoughts on him.

If you have something I can address, I'll try. But especially in a game this size, I'm focusing on hunting. I'm used to you suspecting me anyway.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:49 pm thoughts on Eloh?

I think she might be bad, but I can't get a solid feel for her. I keep trying to engage her to no avail.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:48 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:47 pm ok..I am here and attentive now. I was working on a cake order, sorry.

Was that before or after you killed nova?

Do you think Elo would kill an inactive?

sig, do you suspect Epi or Luna or both? I can't follow who you're talking about sometimes.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:47 pm ok..I am here and attentive now. I was working on a cake order, sorry.

Reads?

Okay, maybe sig is full of shit. I'd like to think not and that he's still hair-brained town sig, but who knows at this point.

Okay, well, that kill was helpful I suppose. Cool. Not sure what it means though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:44 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:43 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:41 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:38 pm This is why Im against lynching inactive, looked over Epi's past burglaries really quick I don't see him going for inactives in them. But will keep searching

I don't understand; you're looking at Epi badly as if it's a tell, or you don't like lynching inactives and you think Epi is bad for suggesting it?

Bad for suggesting it.

I think you're bad for voting and not saying why.

I can't tell if you're serious or not. Are you?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:44 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:40 pm do we think there's 2 or 3 mafia's in a game this size?

what's standard?

burgle experts pls respond

Or are you just asking this to seem less scummy. hmmmmmmm

Why would Kyle's question earn him towncred? It'd be easier if he threw out a read.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:40 pm do we think there's 2 or 3 mafia's in a game this size?

what's standard?

Ten people total?

I'd say two mafia.

Yeah, I'd say that's most likely too. 1 mafia would mean there'd have to be another 1 mafia, which basically just means town v. 2 3P roles. I doubt it, but I think that's more likely than 3, which would steamroll town in a setup this small.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:43 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:36 pm I think Epi, Luna, and sig are likely town.

Kyle is slight town.

Not sure about anyone else.

I partially agree @MovingPictures07 , but given @Kylemii 's off-topic posts, he doesn't seem like he's trying hard enough to be town.

Why did you vote Epi then? I'm confused on that.

I am a bit wary of Kyle myself but I think he still seems genuine if I have to decide.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:40 pm do we think there's 2 or 3 mafia's in a game this size?

what's standard?

If it's 3, we're fucked, right? I would think 1 or 2.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:39 pm In fact I don't recall Epi ever going after inactives that much?

I'd say it's standard and reasonable of him, especially given our situation in this game of having a few.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:38 pm This is why Im against lynching inactive, looked over Epi's past burglaries really quick I don't see him going for inactives in them. But will keep searching

I don't understand; you're looking at Epi badly as if it's a tell, or you don't like lynching inactives and you think Epi is bad for suggesting it?

Well, damn. RIP INH.

I think Epi, Luna, and sig are likely town.

Kyle is slight town.

Not sure about anyone else.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:33 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:32 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:27 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:25 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:24 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:21 pm @Kylemii , you seemed to be in a rush earlier, but haven't posted anything else. Watsup?

what rush?

Just the whole not wanting to read stuff

I'd rather spend my limited time right now reading player posts than host posts. 20 minutes is like the length of a regular shower

not when you are a mom, it's like 7

My initial thought was to go for low posters as well. But then, who is to say they are baddies. I think we out to go through at least one night and see if there is a kill before we pick them off.

Kylemii will never be a mom.

Guess I'll move to INH. Eh.

Luna, I see you voted Epi. Why?

If we still have 3 damn inactives, I guess we should get rid of 1. It just sucks. I'd rather lynch someone active, but 3 out of 8 inactives is insane and needs to be addressed.

Epi, what do you think of Elo?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:30 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:29 pm I'm voting Kyle.

Kyle, who's bad?

idk yet. I see the value in voting for an inactive first. losing an active voice night hurt us in the long run and we can make marginally better decisions on day 2

I don't necessarily disagree, just trying to get something from you. Anything.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:29 pm and his posts are the length of a magazine article. if you read a page of popular science each time you shower then you won't be able to get rid of dirt efficiently

Dude. I've thought you're town, but we get it. You're wasting time going on. Give me reads.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:28 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:24 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:21 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:15 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:14 pm Speedchuck I love you but there's no way I'm reading any of the flavor text until after the game is over. Time is all we have.

This guy is town.

maybe he is just lazy and trying to come up with a game-related excuse not to read.

I guess that's possible, but I don't think so based on an initial reaction. Do you not sense the urgency of a townie in that post?

I cannot trust anyone yet. I have found I am too gullible in mafia. I have to be more of a hard ass.

I didn't use the word trust. I asked for an evaluation of whether someone seems townie or not based on the sentiment expressed within a post. Do you not see it?

I'm voting Kyle.

Kyle, who's bad?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:21 pm @Kylemii , you seemed to be in a rush earlier, but haven't posted anything else. Watsup?

Damn, look at this. I like it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:21 pm I am punching the tickets of anybody who fails to show up.

I could follow that logic as well, but I'm trying to avoid it at all costs. Hopefully by the end of the phase there is no one that fits that description.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:21 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:20 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:19 pm MP not paying attention inattentiveness = mafia? yes no maybe thoughts

does MP have a tendency to not pay attention when bad in burgles?

Not much time in each phase I feel like mafia is more likely to make mistakes with less time to think on things and plot.

I don't agree, but hell, when do I agree? Lol.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:21 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:15 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:14 pm Speedchuck I love you but there's no way I'm reading any of the flavor text until after the game is over. Time is all we have.

This guy is town.

maybe he is just lazy and trying to come up with a game-related excuse not to read.

I guess that's possible, but I don't think so based on an initial reaction. Do you not sense the urgency of a townie in that post?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:20 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:19 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:17 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:16 pm INH, Luna, Lapluie, and NVN, get on this train!

Hello Moving Pictures, I've been on this train a while. What's the rush?

Hello there! Is this your first online mafia game or have you played before?

Gotta catch those baddies, that's why.

Are you one?

First online mafia, so sorry if I'm a bit slow catching on.

No worries! Cool. Well, glad to have you.

What about it though, are you mafia or not? If not you, who is?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:20 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:20 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:19 pm MP not paying attention inattentiveness = mafia? yes no maybe thoughts

sig is town.

That said, you wrong boy.

Why?

Why which?

I think you're town because this is a typical town-minded hair-brained sig theory.

I'm town because my role card says I am. Watch out, baddies.