Ugh, I'm too tired to continue. Made it through page 3. I'll continue first thing in the morning until I'm caught up, I promise. For now, I at least have the following questions and remarks.
Regarding the claim discussion, I generally am excited to experiment with "new" gameplay, particularly claiming techniques, but I agree that it doesn't seem particularly productive here if we all aren't on the same page. My fake claim of cop in Arrested Development worked, but it's a wonder that any of us fake claimers even made it as far as we did, because only a few of us civilians did, including the cop, so it could have gone awry if the mafia had more familiarity with the setup. All of this to say: It taught me that not having the majority or all of the players on the same page with regards to these plans can be risky. So I'm leaning against any hypoclaiming.
Several players have requested meta on the combination of players including Long Con, Metalmarsh89, and Sloonei. I don't consider myself skilled at conveying meta, and I think over-reliance on meta can be dangerous. Nonetheless, I feel inclined to oblige, since it can assist in avoiding mislynches that are driven based on individual and cultural differences that are non alignment indicative.
Meta on Long Con: Veteran player of more than 7 years (I believe, he can provide this). Nonetheless, throughout nearly that entire time he has historically played and hosted complicated, open-setup role madness games, like many others here on The Syndicate. Consequently, his comments regarding role claiming are not alignment indicative or at all surprising to me. He can be an incredibly persuasive member of the mafia, and I would say, at least from my perspective, that he's actually more believable as mafia masquerading as town than he is as town, and I tend to suspect him incorrectly more often than not. Early in games, he has been known to utilize role-based analysis and gambits. Overall I'd say tends to be a mix of gut/tone and analysis-based with regards to accusations.
Meta on Metalmarsh89: Tends to feel more comfortable as the game continues (wacky early game player), regardless of alignment, in that he jokes around and gravitates towards RVS in early phases but he can and usually will switch on "analysis mode" at any time after a few cycles have transpired. The timing of his analysis switch depends on how invested he is in the game, as early as a couple of cycles and as late as... well, his death or never, occasionally. He tends to utilize vote analysis and ISOs, but it doesn't mean he's only evidence-driven in hunting methods by any means. Likes to self vote. He has been mislynched often early in games for his early "bizarre" behavior. Overall I'd say he tends to be more gut/tone-based early in games but definitely more analysis-based after a few cycles with regards to accusations.
Meta on Sloonei: Has randed town a ridiculous amount of times more than mafia. In my experience of seeing him mafia (only a couple of times when I was a fellow player, then add another time as a spectator), he just couldn't quite capture the same magnitude of that "town spark" he exudes in sheer effort and inquisitiveness when town, and as a result he was lynched as mafia very early every time I witnessed (d1, d1, and d...2? can't remember that last one). My initial impression of his meta was that he is very much a level-headed, systematic question asker who gradually chips away at every other player in the game, but nonetheless never expressing too much certainty with regards to reads. More recently, I've seen him adapt more confidence in his reads, particularly early in games, and become more aggressive with accusations. Before I would have said that his lack of tunneling was a slight town Sloonei indicator, but lately I'm less sure and am inclined to say it's switched to a slight mafia Sloonei indcator, and that he was lynched as mafia
because he didn't seem sure enough of his convictions. Overall I'd say he tends to be a mix of gut/tone and analysis-based with regards to accusations, but that underlying all of his accusations is a very meticulous post analysis regardless of whether it's tone or vote behavior that pings him.
sig wrote:MM seems to be as jokey as normal, not an alignment indicator.
MP comes into the thread with his normal "I won't post much it doesn't mean I'm mafia unlesssss I decide to post alot, but I probably won't" thing. So expect lots of posts and activity from MP. :P
, sorry to say that I have an unreal amount of work to accomplish over the next two weeks, so this isn't a false warning. I will be less active than normal. It just is what it is.
sig wrote:However, having said this I'm not sure I like how MP is talking about the hammer function. It's a bad gut ping to me. Not enough to vote/lynch on, but I'll be keeping my eye on MP.
, what does this (underlined) mean? What exactly don't you like about my post discussing the hammer function?
sig wrote:Last post for the time I promise.
Two things
1. MP didn't place his vote for Zebra
2. I'm voting to lynch Golden, come on out and represent golden!
Vote Golden
, this is incorrect. I did vote for zebra, but it was eaten by the poll reset when JJJ added the unvote and no lynch options.
Long Con wrote:Hello, game. I'm going to start out this with my first ping of the game as I vote MOVINGPICTURES07 for trying to set himself up for an under-the-radar game.
Hello,
Long Con. Not setting myself up for an under-the-radar game, merely being realistic with my current workload and being transparent in communicating this to you all. If you examine the sign-up thread, you'll see that I said a very similar sentiment, before I received my role card, multiple times. Hence this is not alignment indicative, and I'd like to hear why you think it is.
Zexy wrote:I’m not that sure IAWY’s entrance in the thread was towny, sig. But it’s not necessarily scummy either. Thanks for the meta advice on MP.
Can someone give us meta on Long Con? That’s a strange entrance they make there, but it feels like it’s their thing.
Sloonei, do you know sig well enough to consider their actions as scummy? I can see your points, but if it’s something sig does regardless of alignment we need to cut some slack. Sig gave thoughts on Sloonei and I can't say I disagree either.
, hey there. How heavily would you say that you rate meta in your assessment of other players in games?
Zexy wrote:Sloonei wrote:You are right. A lot more is going to happen. But that more has not happened yet, so for now I have to work with what I have. What do you think of sig and I? Your last post didn't really give a stance either way.
If anything, the fact you are trying to read someone on this little could be scum trying to slowly and steadily justify a scumread on a townie.
I don't have too much of a stance yet, my posts are also there so you two react to them and they can help me read you through that. You are more defensive than sig which is also slightly scummy of you to do.
Marco wrote:Alas. That's the way she goes.
She?
While I'd like to see more from Dyslexicon, posts like that are kinda regular in PerC so it's cool for now
Also, Sloonei, Frog's question is good and all. Explaining basic stuff about power role cover is useful.
Zexy wrote:Sloonei wrote:So I shouldn't be attempting to read anyone? Got it.
You shouldn't read someone on that little info and be very defensive of it.
Dyslexicon wrote:I agree.
VOTE FROG
Besides, he buddied me in the sign up thread.
I don't really like this...
that's pre-rand lol
, why do you view increased defensiveness as a mafia-leaning trait?
Zexy wrote:Sloonei wrote:I am reading a player based on the content he's provided. I have a reason and I explained my reason when it was questioned. That is not defensiveness, that is standard Mafia procedure. I know it's not strong but this is Day 1 and we need to start somewhere.
That's good enough of an answer for now, I mostly wanted a reaction as I explained above.
I want to see sig's POV a bit more as well.
, if you "mostly" wanted a reaction, what else did you want?
I find your train of thought regarding this matter difficult to understand.
Good night, game. See you in a few hours.
Linkitis w/ Sloonei: Hello, Sloonei! Goodbye, Sloonei!
