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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:36 pmI think that silencing roles (which are objectively bad but whatever)JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:51 pm If there aren't protective/blocking roles then I don't think there's even a reason to implement a rule against double-targeting. I think that's something that has just become typical or standard here over the years. There are sites that never have that rule. RYM rarely had it.
Oh yeah, unfortunately I stopped following this game with the revolving door of company Daisy and I had the past week and a half, but speedchuck and Jack clearly put in a ton of effort and dug us out of a pretty bad spot. They deserve recognition for that as well. I really appreciate them carrying us through to the win. You guys were obviously the best teammates I could have asked for, and sorry I couldn't do more myself.
To be fair to the town as well, part of this was because speedchuck and I made a concerted effort to make the Wilgy mislynch happen. I really didn't want to get lynched on D1. Wilgy put us in a tough spot and in retrospect we both handled him horribly. Our treatment of him was suspicious as fuck and we should have received more beef for it than we did even.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:03 pm Nobody singlehandedly lost this game. There were numerous factors which contributed to the end result:
~ The total civilian effort was fantastic through 90% of Day 1 and then it fell off of a cliff. The DrWilgy lynch was really bad from my perspective, and it was an unfortunate way to end one of the most active Day 1s we've ever had in a heist game here. It seemed like a great deal of hard work was forgotten at the last minute and the easiest lynch available (the guy being weird) was selected instead of one informed by the discussion.
This was always my logic as well.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:10 pm The only reason I think a "no double targeting" rule has any value is to prevent protective roles from completely dictating mafia kill decisions (to permanently protect a single player, for example). I think that problem persists in a lesser form if the mafia team cannot double target between members.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:20 am MP is still on the poll. I reckon we should lynch him again.
Not your fault man, this was just a really rough game start and I couldn't be active this cycle without sacrificing proposal prep or company time, and I just couldn't bring myself to do that. it was good to play with you during your comeback game. Next time as well I hope.
Dude, don't sweat it, I'll be cool, thanks though. Just disappointed in this one. I do look forward to putting forth a better effort next time.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:59 pmMovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:54 pm Baddies are probably dunya, LC, and Daisy, I guess? I wish I had more time to play this cycle. Sorry to let you all down.
Bro you just defended your dissertation thingy. You are a winner. If you can't do other things because of that, it's fine. Relax, and rest, so you can come and play another day.
I got nothing substantial other than what I've noted before, which wasn't anything super notable. It's mostly my gut for some reason. Honestly I would have loved to ISO her (and others) but just didn't have the time to obviously. I would suggest digging through her ISO yourself and seeing what you think. I just don't feel like she's sincere this game.
Bullshit LC you are so bad, you even seem overly concerned with being consistent which is yet again a more likely trait of mafia than town. AND you’re absolutely misrepresenting me, you know damn well what I meant. Yes, of course town players can use ‘weird’ or ‘interesting’ and do, but at least very soundly in my experience mafia love getting attention on other players without dirtying their hands and that’s exactly what I thought you we’re doing.Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:29 amA widespread vote makes it really easy for the mafia to control the lynch. You know this.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:02 amWhat was there to agree with? Explain. This is suspicious at face value, like you're just attaching onto a reason to suspect someone.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:51 pmI agree with this. Scumdar10 rating for MP07: 5.9Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:03 pmHey, buddy pal friend, not super terribly fond of this here move.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:54 pm Oh I see I’m joining a wagon
Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol
Even Kyle's initial reaction wasn't ideal, because he doesn't explain what he doesn't like about it once it's apparent I'm gone from the thread, but I'm less bothered by that. I'm bothered by this.
People of both alignments use those words. What Mafia do is try to dress word-usage up as alignment-indicative.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:04 am"Weird" and "interesting" are words that mafia loves to throw around, while they noncommittedly make no argument or assessment as to why what they're observing is alignment-indicative.Spoiler: show
Explain, LC. You look scummy.It was weird, you live with her, you know exactly how busy she is or isn't, you're not an appropriate player to be putting down a pressure vote on her. It's FAKE.
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:09 amThis is player salad. I hate it.
I really think LC is bad. He needs to answer for this.
I still don't like the "trying too hard" accusation because I think that's nonsense, but I wasn't willing to scumread him for it because I know it's one that LC regularly throws at mine and others' direction.
How the hell was he consensus townread during the GTH exercise? If I was caught up, there's no way I'd have given him a town reading.More clichés. Player salad indeed. Those are the players that I discussed during the day that I came away feeling suspicious about. You can even see the various levels of my suspicion for those players laid out clearly as Scumdar10 ratings. Naming them all in one post isn't suspicious, it's called consistency, and it was a good way to remind everyone of where I stand for the lynch.
You think you have found a weakness in me to exploit, but you are wrong. And you are going down, tomorrow if I get my way.
You’re wrong, and clearly just trying to smear me at this point.
I just have to respond and say I think your continued reaction about this is not at all similar to last time (when you were town) and strikes me, in combination with your pre-flip lynch of Wilgy, as OTT. I don’t totally buy it. I need to iso you and mull over this more but i really am increasingly thinking you’re bad.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:09 am MovingPictures07 Enjoy the last time you get any response whatsoever from your "pressure vote" which does literally 0 to get me to read or post, I think it is useless and you will never hear me comment on it again. this time around you didn't even say you thought I was suspicious. Which in itself is mildly suspicious because last time it got a very passionate reaction from me. Is that why you didn't use it here? Either way, your so called pressure vote on me is in my opinion easy and therefore lazy.
btw, I could see a DDL/MP pairing as well, given how DDL was hem hawing between MP and Quin and then ended up voting Quin.
But they won't answer my calls so I guess I'm going to have to make the drive down there. Bah. And I have other things to do to prep for company arriving within a couple of hours...This is player salad. I hate it.
What was there to agree with? Explain. This is suspicious at face value, like you're just attaching onto a reason to suspect someone.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:51 pmI agree with this. Scumdar10 rating for MP07: 5.9Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:03 pmHey, buddy pal friend, not super terribly fond of this here move.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:54 pm Oh I see I’m joining a wagon
Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol
I didn't get to elaborate upon this at the time. I think making sure to apply pressure to as many players as possible throughout a day period is ideal; consensus suspects before the deadline permit mafia to coast, even if the suspect is one of them (allows the others to coast). When the vote gets down to EoD, then it's a different story and the priority shifts from trying to develop reads on as many players as possible to eliminating a player based on the information generated in the 45 or so hours beforehand.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:20 pmWe have an 8-way lynch tie right now.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:54 pm Oh I see I’m joining a wagon
Still going ti keep my vote there but I don’t think we should let anyone become a consensus or avoid putting pressure on as many people as possible. Spread the love around. Lol
That is a lot of spread.
Okay, I will say one thing on this topic, and that is in my experience with hosting/playing these games at The Syndicate, nearly every time I've seen a fake claim in a game here it's been when townies try to cover for the cop, and I've never seen a mafia fake claim until out of complete desperation (their lynch appears imminent and no one buys it). Perhaps our differences in experience cause this diversion in opinion.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:41 pm umm dunya from RYM says mafia/scum would fakeclaim on rym to save their arses, indeed, many mods would give one member of the mafia team a free fakeclaim sometimes even! -- but civs would not fakeclaim. except maybe rundontwalk but he was so eccentric and would get lynched literally the same day.
LOL, you say it's a joke but -- like Jay, you're a player I like to get a read on as quickly as possible, and whether you like it or not, you respond to it. I agree people should question it. People should question everyone's actions on D1.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:23 pm Look here y'all, I'm going to a concert tonight so don't expect too much of me.ive read and caught up to now and I have like three or four things to say.
1. MP pressure voting me is a fucking joke. It's one thing for someone to pressure vote jevwho doesn't live in the same house as me, but cone on. You know I'm not even caught up to the thread, it's not like I'm lurking and hiding. It's a joke, and really easy. Don't get me wrong, it's not definitely suspicious it's just teally easy to look like he's doing something when he's not. Don't let him get away with such a soft pressure vote in the future without questioning it.
2. Fake claiming when done properly absolutely can and has won the civs games. Arrested Development cones to mind, when Turnip Head and MP fake claimed and provided me cover as the cop for two nights, allowing me to find them and out them. Even in Seinfeld I was night killed night 1 because the baddies thought I was role claiming. I wasn't, but it's better to lose a vanilla than a power role N1. Additionally, seeing who the baddies kill based on their fake claims can also help us sort who be good a la seer hunt clear. Fake cop claims can be a great tool for the civs when done right.
3. Dunya, you come from RYM I thought you guys used this type of thing over there even more here. And having heard how great your civ game and instinct is, you arguing so solidly against fake claims not only surprises me but makes me suspect you.
4. My guy says DDL bad. I can't put my finger on why, but in my read my gut spoke and I am sharing it because I usually regret it later. I'll look into an ISO of him tomorrow to see if I can identify why.
What does smoke screening mean?sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:05 pmYes which I've done, which is the whole reason I laid out when I thought the cop should claim. However, the anti-fake-role claiming prejudice is alive and well.
Linki: Y'all are posting way to much
Yes to whoever asked this is common of Wilgy regardless of his alignment.
I want to lynch LC he's smoke screening civ ( I totally stole this and have no shame about it). His posts are gut reading very bad to me and his snarky behavior seems very scummy. I'll at some point take a quick gander to other games and see what I see, but from what I remember this is classic LC mafia.
Kyle's post seems to be very careful, but there's also a fair amount of content and it's still early in the game to have concrete reads so I like that
I do, but I'm not sure it'd be productive to discuss further at this point, and I incidentally already spoke my piece when responding to sig. Also, I feel like I'm getting nowhere with reads catching up on all the tactical claim discussion.Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:41 pmI remember MovingPictures07 having a lot to say about this tactic, so it'd be good to get his perspective.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:38 pm So everyone here thinks that if the cop sees someone fakeclaim as cop they think they're covering for the real cop? What good does it do to the thread though? Why can't mafia fakeclaim to be cop?
I've never played in a game where civ fakeclaim resulted in good things, so I am entirely biased.
Explain this logic; it isn't apparent to me.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:15 pmdidnt like this as a first post.sig wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:50 pm Tequila really sucks 4/10 wouldn't recommend.
Second Hey! Lets get this lynch train started.
I think we should eye people who are to heavy on the role play, it could be used to avoid scumhunting/be left alive out of amusement. However, that shouldn't be the only reason to lynch someone.
hey everyone let's look at everyone who roleplays
but let's also not
bad first post. leaning scummy for sig.
the fact that sig posts a few posts immediately before and kyle (my other scumspect) calls out 3 other players itt at the time to give their scumspects but ignores sig also doesn't sit as well with me.but then sig posts this:
and now I feel pretty good about sig. A scum wouldn't ask the cop to roleclaim as soon as they have a lead on day 1. A scum wouldn't be telling power roles what to do at all on day 1. His later clarification on why 1 PR civ is equal as 1 scum. I can follow that logic. I dig his reasons. I dig his gall. I dig his persona.sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!
overall leaning town for sig.
Jay introduced this concept to our site in the Economics game, which served as the first informal crossover of RYM folks over here. I've been doing some digging and I'm trying to find where Jay explains his findings so far on it. I remember when he introduced it in that game and said it was mostly experimental because he picked it from the Mafia Championship and just recently started using it. But I could have sworn there was a game where he summarized some trends he's found. I'll keep looking.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:26 pm GTH Exercise -- Night 1 -- Results
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Alright folks, here are the results from the GTH exercise.
I need to confirm this as well though.
Oh, I'm still not even familiar with half the thread content except for those ISOs I very quickly dug through, but that's GTH for you. Forces everyone to take a stance. It not only can be informative later when hunting but also can help people figure out how they really feel about everyone else in the moment. Always gets me to do some soul searching as to why since there's typically at least one of my own reads that surprises me.dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:56 pmi don't know how correct my gun to head reads are.MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:55 pmI empathize completely. That's the point of the exercise though. Get out of your comfort zone, dunya.
Do it.speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:54 pm Aw, I was driving home from work. Now I have to help wife with dinner and go to church and stuff. Maybe next time guys.
I might do a GTH catch-up post later
SCUMMovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:53 pm GTH reads exercise, Night 1
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