The Syndicate

I see this game has ended! Sorry I had to replace out, guys. I did really enjoy my role and this game while I could!! Except for that ridiculous period after boo caught me with contraband... oh man, that was frustrating!

Well done, Dom! It is very hard to win as an SK, so kudos. Seems like an incredibly exciting endgame I missed out on.

So I REALLY hate to do it, but I'm voting JJ. If you do get lynched, JJ, know that you played an outstanding first game and that it's unfair you had to go, but I greatly look forward to my next game with you.

And I hate even more to say it, but this will very likely be my last vote and post in this game. I don't know. I'm certainly conflicted, as I have been enjoying this and I obviously want to contribute to a civvie victory, but my time will be absolutely booked pretty much the entire time I am gone, and it's probably better for my sanity that I don't bother myself with a mafia game while on a vacation where I told myself I'm not allowed to worry about PhD, work, or anything else, and that includes mafia (especially since I can get really into the games, as many of you know).

So if I disappear completely, don't be shocked. In fact, if I appear again, you should be shocked. If this gets me lynched, so be it. I knew this going into the game, and honestly almost didn't sign up for that reason (same with WWE, and I was considering putting it minimal effort while gone, but now that I'm dead there it makes me realize I should just keep that promise to myself), but thought maybe I'd be die by then or could somehow remedy the matter.

Thus, I'll ask Epig to find a replacement for me, but I don't even know how feasible that is at this late in the game. Apologies to the inconvenience to everyone. It was fun while it lasted, for sure!

If SOMEHOW the game is still going when I return and I'm still alive, then I'll be glad to help.

Russ, I'm not sure what I could tell you other than what I've already said regarding my behavior this game.

Interesting, no death.

Lol, it is the birthday curse, isn't it??? Birthday FAIL in this case.

FZ. wrote: OK, I'll take it into consideration

Do you people think SVS could be jj's sister if Ello is right about jj? Also, did Ello ever do such a thing before? Am I wrong or did jj never say Ello was wrong?

I do, yes. And... good question, not sure if she's ever done anything like this before.

And I do not think he did, FWIW.

FZ. wrote:This is definitely good news!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Fantastic result! BIH boo!

I'm going to be on a plane in less than 24 hours, and I honestly might not be able to even be back in this thread at all thereafter. I made an agreement with Daisy that she has to turn her phone off and not worry about work if I don't worry about/talk about mafia, so. :P But if need be, I'll try to pop in to drive-by vote or do whatever I need to. Just know this ahead of time.

As to my thoughts, S~V~S might be bad, but I doubt she's on Shawshank.

I'll be voting for JJJJ next and Mongoose thereafter, I think. Those are my top two. I still really HATE to suspect JJJJ, but given his behavior, combined with Occam's Razor, and I do think he's a Sister. Sucks for him, but it is what it is, and I'd rather catch a baddie than let one go because we're afraid he's been outed.

As to the rest of you, I'm not sure.
I'm not sure I like this. You don't have a single thought that seems your own, no offense. Why Mongoose? I get jj and I voted for Mongoose, but I don't recall you saying anything about her. Unless I forgot.

You can not like it all you want, but it doesn't mean I'm bad. If you do look back at my posts, you will see that I think llama made some good points against Mongoose, and I don't like the way she brought up Lizzy yesterday.

So that's why Mongoose. Partially also because I don't know what's going on with the rest of you. While I chose not to post in this thread, I was busy consuming myself in WWE, and as a result I just don't feel that strongly about anyone else one way or the other. Though occam's razor also suggests BWT is most likely to be good, but of course, that's dependent on that assumption, so take that as you will.

Fantastic result! BIH boo!

I'm going to be on a plane in less than 24 hours, and I honestly might not be able to even be back in this thread at all thereafter. I made an agreement with Daisy that she has to turn her phone off and not worry about work if I don't worry about/talk about mafia, so. :P But if need be, I'll try to pop in to drive-by vote or do whatever I need to. Just know this ahead of time.

As to my thoughts, S~V~S might be bad, but I doubt she's on Shawshank.

I'll be voting for JJJJ next and Mongoose thereafter, I think. Those are my top two. I still really HATE to suspect JJJJ, but given his behavior, combined with Occam's Razor, and I do think he's a Sister. Sucks for him, but it is what it is, and I'd rather catch a baddie than let one go because we're afraid he's been outed.

As to the rest of you, I'm not sure.

Haven't properly caught up, been busy getting ready for vacation and spending time with my parents now that they're back in town.

Voting boo, not that it matters anyway, really!

S~V~S wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I have to admit, as much as S~V~S makes sense regarding boo, boo's post is nonetheless somehow convincing. It actually makes me second guess whether she's telling the truth and maybe boo is instead.

Now I'm not sure if that's a legit feeling, but it's where I'm at right now.
He isn't telling the truth. Initially he seemed like regular boo, then he started saying questionable things. Boo is probably the only person playing at this time that I tend to agree with most of the time when we are both civvies. He comes to similar conclusions to my own. But the last few days he is starting to make less and less sense to me. And boo ALWAYS makes sense to me.

I am going to reread him and see where he changed. Like I said last night, John could be bad, I can't imagine why Elo would say such a thing if it were not true, although it is also a good point that she has not been modkilled or publicly punished. So But I am begging you to take me seriously; I feel very, very strongly about this. I have time to reread and post today, and I plan on doing so.

I understand your POV.

I look forward to seeing what you uncover.

On a COMPLETELY nonrelated point, what do players think of AP and FZ this game?

Bullzeye wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I feel terrible about voting JJ. No one should have to go out like that in a mafia game, IMO. And if you are indeed bad, good sir, you've played a TERRIFIC first game, it must be said. I greatly look forward to playing with you some more.

Nonetheless, a JJ vote still makes the most sense, I suppose.

I want to see what the other remaining living players have to say.
I do have to say that if Elo was telling the truth I'll be pretty annoyed/disappointed that she had to resort to such dirty tactics to get someone lynched. I feel so strongly about infodumping that I just can't feel good about voting for someone in that position. At the same time I dunno if I actually believe Elo anyway. The rules clearly state no outing of players, and that's essentially what she did by saying she knows JJ is bad because she has info. I can't see her breaking the rules, especially in Epi's game.

Hmmmm... that's very true. You think maybe she was just a ballsy Sister trying to claim that role?

My thoughts on infodumping are the same.

I feel terrible about voting JJ. No one should have to go out like that in a mafia game, IMO. And if you are indeed bad, good sir, you've played a TERRIFIC first game, it must be said. I greatly look forward to playing with you some more.

Nonetheless, a JJ vote still makes the most sense, I suppose.

I want to see what the other remaining living players have to say.

I have to admit, as much as S~V~S makes sense regarding boo, boo's post is nonetheless somehow convincing. It actually makes me second guess whether she's telling the truth and maybe boo is instead.

Now I'm not sure if that's a legit feeling, but it's where I'm at right now.

S~V~S wrote:OK, missed that one item per thing~ but why so sure that John is bad?

linki~ cause i had my own reasons to trust BWT. I thought i was fairly clear~ read any good books lately?

i had no info, but reading is fundamental. And I have to tell you, civ boo would never in a zillion years say what he said about john. i can guarantee that.

I am not 100% sure, but let's just say I'm willing to trust the concept of Occam's Razor and think that Elo might have been onto something with him. Of course, maybe that is off the mark.

Got it. I have not, actually, unfortunately.

I will take what you're saying about boo into consideration. It is especially interesting given you seemed to trust him somewhat in the earlier portion of the game.

Anyway, that's all I'm saying on that subject. Really, I just got so caught up in WWE, I wanted to see how this game would play out if I went silent for a while. I'm afraid it didn't give me quite the perspective I was hoping for, but I do feel I have some clarity in this game.

S~V~S, how is it that you were willing to trust Elo's assessment of BWT but not JJ?

S~V~S wrote:Yes, I am serious. There is one role that can silence someone. For one day and one night, not longer than that. One person at a time. That you are specifically told not to say happened to you (as i understand it :whistle: )

So yeah, I am serious.

It says one phase for EACH ITEM confiscated.

Nowhere does it say anything about a limit.

I never even said that happened to me, either. But it should be blatantly obvious I decided not to post for two cycles and now I am deciding to post again, so... there's a reason for that.

S~V~S wrote:I still am not sure why you could not talk.

Are you serious or just trying to tiptoe making an obvious observation?

S~V~S wrote:Also, i think if both boo & John are baddies, boo is is a MUCH more dangerous baddie (no offense John, you may be awesome bad~ but I KNOW boo IS awesome bad)

And she could be bad, my concern is that I really, really, really believe that boo IS bad.

Got it, I understand that.

Well, I'll think about it for now. I have been so consumed by WWE I kind of have to get my mind back in this game; that's my fault.

S~V~S wrote:I have said why more than once. And if you are saying what I think you are saying. Well. not sure how I feel about that.

Not sure what you're referring to: do you mean about Elo/JJ or about my refusal to talk in here for a few days?

Either way, think what you want.

I'm still thinking on my vote. I could see a good argument for a boo vote though...

What do you think of Mongoose, per chance?

Ummm... because I couldn't. :P

Why boo over JJ, out of curiosity?

I am shocked Elo wasn't killed before now to be honest. Incredibly shocked.

As much as I hate to admit, I guess a JJ vote makes the most sense, given what has transpired. Sucks for him, but I'm tempted to believe occam's razor when it comes to Elo's behavior this game.

I find myself wondering about Mongoose and boo as to other baddie candidates as well.

I CAN TALK!!!!

:yay:

Thoughts coming as soon as possible.

Okay, just got home, super tired. Unfortunately any other comments I have will have to wait until tomorrow evening; I am going to go to bed in a few minutes.

HOWEVER, I did check to see who died, and RIP Dom. Also,

thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Voting llama b/c of reasons stated earlier.
You voted against me yesterday, for MrThomas, before switching you vote to, again not me, John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt. If the "reasons stated earlier" were so compelling, why didn't you vote for me yesterday? I find your voting behavior very suspicious this game.

Does this mean you find Elo suspicious?

Haven't had a chance to read this totlly sorry guys and I have to go now, will definitely be back late tnight

WTF at that result. Well RIP Thomas. I won't be able p.properly post or catch up until Sunday evening sorry. As to bible verse I have no idea

Also, a huge heads up, I will be nearly entirely absent through Sunday evening.

boo wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I have to say I am not feeling the case against Llama.

While boo makes very strong logical points and I do feel relatively good about boo, I have been getting nothing but civvie vibes from Llama, and it's true that boo could make a similar argument against AP (who I actually think may be bad this game and has been far from contributing), Lizzy, etc., but somehow is stuck on Llama.

Yes, Llama survived an NK and it is far from confirmation, but it's more concrete than what we know about other players.

I am voting for MrThomas because I agree that a refusal to play, even if you are new, can't continue on. Hopefully he gets the message and comes to join us! And either way, we obviously can't tell if someone is civ or bad when they don't post at all.

Vote MrThomas
Well... I probably could construct a similar argument for anyone in this game. It just wouldn't hold up in fact based terms. You can have all the vibes you like, and I don't disagree that they have their place, but placing vibes before logic makes very little sense in practical terms, and that's what I care about.

Now yes, for some players I could construct cases on, the entire reason the case would fail to work is because they don't feel the need to participate, which it seems is llama's biggest issue with my case. He hasn't actually argued that I'm wrong, he has come from a point of frustration saying what is applicable to him is applicable to others, and the reality of it is, that is not true. His participation hasn't helped him in the case I was able to build, and he uses that fact to try and ignore the actual reasons behind it, and instead put focus on people who have a consistent style of trying to coast.

Now, we can argue about the merits of coasting along quietly. I despise it, it adds nothing to the game, and in its more extreme forms, I find it baffling why the people who do it even bother signing up. However, for all I, and people who have a tendency to post a good deal (ie, llama), know, they despise all the talking that goes on and find it overwhelming, and would be happier if everyone played their game. I have no idea, because if they tried telling me, they would cease to be coasters. I'm always happy to kill them off, it's why I like voting no-shows, specifically habitual no-shows, on D1. When an actual case comes up though, and that can be against anyone, the tendency of course being the vocal, because there are things to use to establish reasons they should be killed, continuing to put focus on the quiet and the absent, who can easily be dealt with later if they remain the same (and this is why I don't trust someone who my expectation is to be vocal, but remains quiet, in this game that being rey), is foolish. Even worse, trying to stand behind that as a defense, while complaining about having nothing to defend against (he does, and you acknowledging that I make good logical points also means you have to acknowledge that he is willfully choosing not to defend himself against those points), only adds to the refusal of dealing with anything that is not vibe-based, which I place firmly in the realm of baddie behaviour. The facts will always inherently favour the civvies if they are accurate, while anyone can bend a vibe to suit their needs. Certainly, facts can be bent as well, but when no one, including the person the case is being built against, shows any sign of trying to point out flaws in my logic, my only conclusion is they have tried and failed to find anything logically wrong with it, and either follow the case and vote against him, or do exactly what he's doing, and turn instead to using vibes.

Most of this is applicable to things outside this particular game, and apologies for the rambliness of it, but these are the kind of posts I try to avoid heavily editing, but I just start going around in circles when I do.

Incredibly well-illustrated.

boo wrote:
thellama73 wrote:YOu talk of facts boo. I say again that the facts of both baddie teams trying to kill off me and my defenders point to me being civvie. No other player can point to those facts in their own defense. You've singled out the person most factually-likely to be civ, so don't pretend you are not bending things or going on vibes.
If you were factually-likely to be civvie, you would reply to my actual points, and not rely on stuff like this.

You survived a NK. That proves nothing. It makes it likely you are not on a single team of 3 baddies. I am not arguing you are on that team, so it is irrelevant to my argument of why you should be killed.

You suspected Nev. He thought you were civ. He was killed. You also suspect Mongoose, and she also stands by you. If she and not Nev had been killed, I would be no more convinced by that point than I am because Nev was killed. Therefore, this is not a line of defense.

Every suspicion you have had, and every person you trust you have mentioned, have been about vibes.

You can argue that I'm not dealing in facts and you are, but even people in your corner are not taking that stance, and I really believe even you don't believe what you're saying. If you want them to stay in your corner, then actually accept the fact that you are wrong about the issue you keep going back to, and defend yourself. Otherwise it's inevitable that they will reach my conclusions, put aside their vibes about you when they are forced to recognize those vibes don't hold up in the face of facts, and then they will lynch you.

And again.

Have you considered though that perhaps llama tends to rely on vibes more, or even just as much, as a civilian as he is bad?

Bullzeye wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I never said that. Not once. I am not sure, tbh, what i think. but i really hated the way people were trying to imply you were confirmed when that is not the case.

i can change my vote, and i might. But at this juncture i trust boo and his instincts more than i trust you.
I was one of the people who voted Llama last night and said I think he might be a civ but I definitely didn't imply he was confirmed. Being the target of a baddie team on night one sort of narrows down the options though. I also don't necessarily buy into his conspiracy theory that both baddie teams are out to get him, Nev's death could have been coincidence.

Haven't decided my vote yet but I may reverse my earlier position and stick a vote on MrThomas, he ought to know by now after all the discussion of him that we expect him to post. Even if it's just to say he's lost and unsure what to do.

I can relate here.

As insanely well argued Boo's case is, I just can't ignore MrThomas for today, nor the sincere vibe I have been getting from Llama.

I will admit, however, that it is definitely possible Llama is bad. I'm closer to buying it than I was. BUT I am still not sold.

I have to say I am not feeling the case against Llama.

While boo makes very strong logical points and I do feel relatively good about boo, I have been getting nothing but civvie vibes from Llama, and it's true that boo could make a similar argument against AP (who I actually think may be bad this game and has been far from contributing), Lizzy, etc., but somehow is stuck on Llama.

Yes, Llama survived an NK and it is far from confirmation, but it's more concrete than what we know about other players.

I am voting for MrThomas because I agree that a refusal to play, even if you are new, can't continue on. Hopefully he gets the message and comes to join us! And either way, we obviously can't tell if someone is civ or bad when they don't post at all.

Vote MrThomas

Mongoose wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.
I've wondered this too. I have wondered if there's a role checker in there OR they want us to think there's a role checker in there.

Comments like this make me think even more that llama may just be onto something with you.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.

Personally, I just want to see what happens.

I have a hard time believing you, SVS, and Elohcin are on a baddie team and made THIS ballsy of a move. Therefore, I was willing to shake things up and change my vote because I am trying to discern what's going on.

However, if the three of you are on a baddie team and made this ballsy of a move, then kudos!

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I just find it interesting Elo has had a complete 360
And you are going for a Ph.D in a mathematical field.
Real funny, yes, I fucked up. I obviously meant 180.

AND Accounting is not mathematics.
Yeah, most accountants just use words like "some," "a lot," and "not enough." Numbers are too hard.

Here's my impression of Alex advising a small business:
"You have to fire some employees because you're making not enough money to stay in business, and that sucks a lot."

Lol, this is awesome.

But seriously, accounting is so much more than mathematics. Yes, we analyze numbers, but it's just a means to an end as much as alphanumeric characters are in typing a mafia post. Obviously each post is made up of alphanumeric characters, but beyond that there is the understanding of linguistics, and beyond that there is understanding of the game, strategy, deception, articulation, etc. There is so much more grey in accounting (in all areas of it, even) than people realize and it is far from being a black and white mathematical calculational deal as is stereotypically perpetuated.

I always think of it as a language, to be honest -- what you're trying to accomplish is constantly improving and representing a universal language by which people can understand financial information and make decisions based off of it -- and while doing so clearly takes an understanding of mathematics, it's so incredibly rudimentary in that it's analogous to my example above. It's much more so about analyzing and interpreting than it is about calculating.

S~V~S wrote:My Dad is a CPA and he describes himself as a "creative mathematician"

You remind me of him in some ways, MP

That description actually makes sense!

And I am going to assume that's a compliment, so thank you!

johns2jj wrote:Could you imagine if parol was really decided by the inmates?

I know, right??? LOL. This is similar to that amazing post llama made in Meat Boy about if the justice system worked like a mafia game.

Oh, and I have to say I am feeling pretty good about S~V~S, Elo, and boo, and not so sure about Mongoose and Nev, so that's another reason behind my BWT vote switch.

Okay, OT coming up!

You know what? I still think llama could be civvie and am reading him as such, BUT, I'm moving my vote to BWT. Seeing as though it's a tie and I looked over both llama and BWT's posts, I'm willing to see how this rides out.

Nev, thoughts much appreciated. I agree, there are a few MR votes that should be examined further. THAT being said, however...

I have defended AP game after game, but I must admit, his posts and behavior here seem different to me. The post FZ. pointed out here:

A Person wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.
I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.
If he's bad he could be doing it on purpose and hoping that no one will waste their time lynching him.

In addition to his randomization vote of Dom in this poll AND his self-vote for himself last cycle (which seemed a bit forced to me) are painting a picture of contrast between what I would expect of civvie AP and what he's actually doing here.

Interestingly, Mongoose voted for AP, saying he was SO incredibly civvie, and then sort of backed off, and now she has given her vote to llama. I also think her behavior in this game differs from that of another one she is currently playing, and I am beginning to think she is much more apt to be bad in this one.

I'm splitting my OT comments into a separate post to be typed up momentarily.

S~V~S wrote:I do not read llama well. I do read BWT well. Llama well could be a super awesome nice civ guy. But discerning that is not my forte.

Hmm, makes sense enough. Thanks for explaining!

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I just find it interesting Elo has had a complete 360
And you are going for a Ph.D in a mathematical field.

Real funny, yes, I fucked up. I obviously meant 180.

AND Accounting is not mathematics.

S~V~S wrote:While the team baddies do not have secrets the SK does. So surviving a kill is not proof positive.

It is just a gut thing.

When did I say it was not proof positive?

So you don't think llama is civvie? Or do you think BWT is seeming more civvie than llama with his no votes?

What I don't understand though... and maybe you can help me get it, S~V~S. Why would anyone NOT vote for llama? He has survived an NK and he seems pretty civvie llama to me regardless. Seems like a no brainer.

S~V~S wrote:Well this poll seems to be about who you trust, which invites the naming of those you think are civ.

True, I understand that. I just find it interesting Elo has had a complete 360, then you come in chiming you think he is civvie too, and yet he's missed both votes so far.

Again, not necessarily disagreeing, but it strikes me as noteworthy -- take that as you will.

I'm a little weirded out by the buddywagon to BWT. I mean, it could all be legit, but even if it is, talk about painting a target on someone's back!

Nevinera wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: Does anyone else think Nev might be bad? I'm hesitant, BUT, I think it's really weird the way he suspected MR really early on, then slowly backed away from the suspicion, finally to arrive at this post above.

I know he's busy, but it seems convenient. Maybe I'm way off, but I want to hear what others think too.
I've posted like.. Four times. I'm not sure how I could have 'slowly' backed away from anything.

I suspected MR for weak reasons that others agreed with, and then changed my mind after reading his reactions that day.
They didn't feel fake to me. I think I've been fairly clear about the few points I've made.

You suspected them, then started doubting it, then came off it completely.

I understand; it could be genuine. Just thought otherwise.

Well, do you have any thoughts as to anything else going on? Your insight is always very intriguing, regardless of alignment.

Elohcin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I'm not sure enough about anyone right now.
I take that back. I was busy when I posted before and wasn't thinking straight. *votes BWT*

Why do you think BWT is civvie?

I don't disagree, just curious.

Wow. RIP MR. I wasn't expecting it, but I was kind of afraid due to the unanimous votes.

thellama73 wrote:This may seem an odd choice, but what does everyone think about MP? Honestly, I think I am seeing his civvie game here and I can't think of anyone else who seems more trustworthy.

Wow, I am shocked. I appreciate it though! About time you can read me.

I'll be voting for you in this poll, by the way, for obvious reasons. Why Mongoose voted AP is totally beyond me.

Nevinera wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Who wants to take a stab at trying to prove they are civ?
I survived an NK last night. Does that mean nothing?
It's not prove of civness, but it certainly improves the odds a lot. I've voting llama for that reason.

And I'm sorry I missed the vote. I was sure I'd be back before time, but we had to run out the door to get to the lights festival at the botanical gardens (awesome, btw).
It wouldn't have affected anything anyway - I wouldn't have voted MR, because his reaction to my original accusation
felt very civ to me.. but I'm at a bit of a loss right now.

I'm kind of hoping for a bit of analysis out of llama, who I'm feeling most confident of so far,
to save me having to reread the thread in my copious free time :-)

Does anyone else think Nev might be bad? I'm hesitant, BUT, I think it's really weird the way he suspected MR really early on, then slowly backed away from the suspicion, finally to arrive at this post above.

I know he's busy, but it seems convenient. Maybe I'm way off, but I want to hear what others think too.

Mongoose wrote:@MP - And then after all that, he voted for Bullz.

Curious and curiouser.

That's what I don't understand. All of his suspicions are unsubstantiated, all over the map, and constantly shifting.

It's so far from the civvie MR I saw in Meat Boy that I think he is baddie, but I'm still a little afraid of the result. I do think he's the best person for my vote today though, no doubt.

Wow, no night kill either! Interesting...

Voted MR. I will feel bad if he is a civvie, but he has seriously done himself no favors, and I can't fathom why a civvie MR would act this way at all, not only with regards to me, but just completely and absolutely.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I will most likely be voting for MP today.

Anyone have a problem with that?

I kind of missed the train with this, but I still wanted to raise my hand anyway.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:I will most likely be voting for MP today.

Anyone have a problem with that?
I kinda do, not really sure WHY, ya know?
This gives me pause...

I will vote for Bullz instead then.

*Votes Bullzeye*

Also @Russ: I brought up MP's name in my list before he started pushing for my lynch on D1. My suspicion of him had nothing to do with him pushing for my lynch, but everything to do with HOW he did it. It didn't and still doesn't look like traditional MP thought to me.

You haven't explained this adequately as to HOW the way I suspected you makes me baddie.

Even if you felt you adequately debunked all of the points I brought against you, it was Day 1, and you have failed to consider I could just be a wrong civvie. Correct?

JJ, thanks for elaborating.

Llama, that's interesting. I am far from considering throwing a vote on Nev, but I was thinking something similar when I asked you that.

FZ. wrote:How does it work? You're allowed to talk at night, but the I see the game moves a lot slower. Is it because people don't have to make a decision about who to lynch?

Correct!

No worries, rey. I really look forward to hearing what you have to bring to the table!

Not sure what I think about llama v. Mongoose here, though I believe I am seeing civvie llama if I had to guess.

Llama, what do you think of Nev?

johns2jj wrote:MP I went back and reread your posts you are correct you did not say anything that is my mistake. I was the second person to vote and never changed my vote so honestly if I had realized I needed to save someone couldn't I have just changed my vote. I still think MP is a baddie but it is just a feeling now as before it was a mistake. I wish I had come back and changed my vote. Now though I will say I used my cigs because I figured I would be a target for the warden and do not want to lose my future votes.

I understand, no worries. Mistakes happen.

I'm not completely convinced you're bad; your response here reads genuine to me. I'm willing to give you the BOTD for now, but at the time it really felt like you were just twisting my words, and I get all worked up when I think someone is twisting my words because I don't think any civvie in their right mind would do that.

Why do you think I'm bad?

And why do you think you would be a target for the Warden?

So I fell asleep pretty early last night and I have quite a bit to catch up on, it seems... and in 3 games! So, I will try to get to all 3 games at lunch, but we shall see. Then I have errands to run tonight and a concert (with Boomslang, BWT, and my brother). I should have some time after work where I can catch up again to vote before errands... or maybe after the concert.

Anyway, be back as soon as I can!

I picked Animal Farm by the way.

Bullzeye wrote:Claiming *Game of Thrones* as my book!

Interesting that there was no lynch, though I know Epi does like to do that in games he hosts so I'm not sure what to make of that.

Epi, was the lack of death your usual tie situation or did something happen you can't tell us about?

Linki - MP, do you also feel like there may have been a save of MR attempted?

You know, I don't know. It seems like a pretty solid theory, but honestly, I'm feeling much more sure about JJ than I am MR at this point. I am trying to be reasonable and give him the BOTD, but I really truly think we caught a first-time baddie here.

Also, as to the Lizzy votes, I thought some of those were strange... so if there was a save of MR, you could say maybe that contributed as well.

We all know Lizzy, Vomps, and sometimes AP play REALLY odd games, at least, those of us around here. I am with llama in that I disagree entirely that a self-vote makes much sense, BUT I have used it when trying to make a point, and I've given up trying to rationalize any behavior that Lizzy or Vomps do. They are the polar opposite of "rational" mafia players. It makes them fun! But it also makes them practically impossible to read.

In fact, this just seems so weird to me. I mean, look at my posts on the topic:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey johns2jj, did you receive anything as a result of the Day 0 poll?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey johns2jj, did you receive anything as a result of the Day 0 poll?
Don't waste your breath trying to talk to him. He is impossible.
Let him attempt to respond.

I really want to see his answer.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey johns2jj, did you receive anything as a result of the Day 0 poll?
Don't waste your breath trying to talk to him. He is impossible.
Let him attempt to respond.

I really want to see his answer.
I don't think I could stop him if he wanted to. I'm just saying don't hold your breath.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:ALL THE SAME WE TAKE OUR CHANCES
THE MORE THAT THINGS CHANGE...

THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME!!
My all time favorite Rush song. I was so stoked they played it when I saw them live.
I understand. He's still new. I remember what it was like to be new. It takes a while to get used to the game. Regardless, I do want to see what he has to say regarding Day 0 now that it's over.

And I love that song too. I don't think I have an all time favorite Rush song (impossible), but I've seen them play that song live once and it was great!!

Linkitis with MR: That's pretty typical for Mongoose, truth be told. Why those players particularly (with regards to all three groupings)? And I voted for llama.

Still by this point he's said NOTHING about it. And those are my only posts on the matter. Then, he answers:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
johns2jj wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey johns2jj, did you receive anything as a result of the Day 0 poll?
Not so sure how the giving out info from pm rule applies so take that statement as you will. May give a more direct answer later if I don't feel like it will break a rule.
I PMed the host. We can discuss it.

In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?

In which one of those posts do I say I never received anything or ANYTHING about my results from Day 0?

If someone can point that out to me, that'd be great. Because... maybe I was ambiguous and don't realize it. BUT to me it seems clear as blue. I specifically was waiting on saying something.

Well, god dammit. Looks like Epig is doing his whole "ties = no lynch" deal. I guess that could be good, BUT, I still feel MR's behavior is not seeming civvie-like at the moment.

I am REALLY bothered by JJ's post. I love giving the newbies the BOTD, but for someone that showed previously hardly any knowledge of game mechanics, for him to come in and say that, specifically when I NEVER stated I didn't receive anything is very highly suspect to me.

Mister Rearranger wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I have to vote now.

As much as I hate to do it (because I love playing with you, MR, and it's so great you're back), I am voting for MR.

1. His "after 1 full reread" post strikes me as opportunistic and trying too hard, combined with the fact that he cannot seem to elaborate why he finds anyone more suspicious than anyone else, even after I asked.
2. His subtle pushing of Mongoose for a ridiculous reason seems possibly suspect. Even more possibly suspect is how he completely abandoned it.
3. His vote of rey, which as far as I can tell is completely unexplained in addition to his "vibe"-esque baddie read on me, just makes no sense.
4. Llama actually made a gambit/paranoid type post I sort of find some sort of value with for once! I do feel MR was specifically avoiding llama possibly for the exact reasons llama stated.
5. I really have no solid opinion or read on anyone else at this point, frankly.

votes MR

Sorry, bud, but only if you are a civvie. If you're bad, good riddance. :P
2. I never pushed for Mongoose. My "elephant in the room" comment was with regards to a push for her that I already found suspect. Now that she has responded, I do not think we should lynch her or Llama today.
5. After points 1, 3, and 4, your excuse-making is kind of a cop-out.
6. A vote for me would not be wise. Funny how you're catching so much heat in the other game, because I think THIS is you on your baddie isht.

1, 2, 3, 4, tell me that you love me more.

You subtly pushed more commentary on Mongoose. It's much more likely baddie behavior than actually coming out, starting the suspicion against her, etc.

How is that an excuse or a cop-out? You were the only one I even had any read on. Of course, now given what has happened, that has changed.

And even funnier you "NO U" me at the end there. How is this my baddie game?

FZ. wrote:One other question:

On k-site, BWT was much more vocal. Did he say anything about being MIA?

I don't think he did, but BWT keeps pretty busy with work, and his performance in the K-Site game is honestly one of the most vocal, if not the most, I've ever seen from him.

More to come later, but...

johns2jj wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?
The Day 0 poll results (assuming there are any) may be discussed.
So if you look at the poll info and only me and MP voted "correctly" but MP states he did not receive cigarets does that not point to him being someone who can not receive contraband therefore a baddie.

Woah!! Where did I say this?

I was specifically asking you for your response first because I knew certain players could not get contraband; I never once said I never got anything.

Wow, what an interesting ending vote distribution!

Catching up as we speak.

I have to vote now.

As much as I hate to do it (because I love playing with you, MR, and it's so great you're back), I am voting for MR.

1. His "after 1 full reread" post strikes me as opportunistic and trying too hard, combined with the fact that he cannot seem to elaborate why he finds anyone more suspicious than anyone else, even after I asked.
2. His subtle pushing of Mongoose for a ridiculous reason seems possibly suspect. Even more possibly suspect is how he completely abandoned it.
3. His vote of rey, which as far as I can tell is completely unexplained in addition to his "vibe"-esque baddie read on me, just makes no sense.
4. Llama actually made a gambit/paranoid type post I sort of find some sort of value with for once! I do feel MR was specifically avoiding llama possibly for the exact reasons llama stated.
5. I really have no solid opinion or read on anyone else at this point, frankly.

votes MR

Sorry, bud, but only if you are a civvie. If you're bad, good riddance. :P

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