The Syndicate

And @Epi's "Heh" post (to many quotes imbedded to quote it and I didn't want to delete things from it):


I still think they would have taken the risk. Doing nothing and failing is worse than making an attempt and having it not work out for you (modified for what I think is tonight's competition, but if it is... man that will be a pain for the two of you to be keeping track of) down the line.

I'd bother responding to that if I thought you really had just not read the lynch result, but I don't, so I won't.

Epignosis wrote:

boo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

boo wrote:Hmm. Well, I was right that Dom would kill agleamin, at the very least.

I think that means TH and Epi aren't bad, k4j and Kate (unless forced) almost for sure aren't, and SVS probably is.

And why is Turnips good in your opinion? He voted second for Highflyers on the first Day.

I don't think he and Dom were on a team. If you named 3/4, I'd be impressed, but I don't buy it, and of TH and SVS, I think SVS is the more probable Dom teammate.

Also: Hedge had voted Dom D1 which put him at 3 (tied with FH), so I'd add her to the 'probably not' list, and Dom voted lizzy after she self voted, so she's on it as well.

Yes, I know you think that. You said what you think. You haven't said why.

If they were both on a team, I think the decision to vote for you would have be much easier, and you wouldn't have got them to the point where they missed the vote. It probably only would have been a temporary reprieve for them, but I really think Dom (at least) would have taken the opportunity to lynch you to ensure he wouldn't be.

Also Epi, what do you think of Timmer? He was the third FH voter. I think he's more likely another baddie than TH tbh. We've seen so little of him, and while I'm not sure that says much about alignment either way generally, this theme is right in his wheelhouse, and I tend to think when a player is a civ and in a game with a theme they really like, they'll make more of an effort to be part of the game than they may otherwise be (which they can get from BTSC as a baddie, making their thread presence smaller than if they were a civ in the same game).

Epignosis wrote:

boo wrote:Hmm. Well, I was right that Dom would kill agleamin, at the very least.

I think that means TH and Epi aren't bad, k4j and Kate (unless forced) almost for sure aren't, and SVS probably is.

And why is Turnips good in your opinion? He voted second for Highflyers on the first Day.

I don't think he and Dom were on a team. If you named 3/4, I'd be impressed, but I don't buy it, and of TH and SVS, I think SVS is the more probable Dom teammate.

Also: Hedge had voted Dom D1 which put him at 3 (tied with FH), so I'd add her to the 'probably not' list, and Dom voted lizzy after she self voted, so she's on it as well.

Hmm. Well, I was right that Dom would kill agleamin, at the very least.

I think that means TH and Epi aren't bad, k4j and Kate (unless forced) almost for sure aren't, and SVS probably is.

And after all that you miss voting.

Dom wrote:

boo wrote:

Dom wrote:More importantly, I must vote in a way that preserves myself, as I also have two votes.



Epig, you're seeming desperate to make anyone look bad. I speculated on someone else's idea and swiftly said it could go either way.

If you genuinely think Epi is more suspicious than TH then I think you'll (probably) be safe voting for him, even after his vote would likely go to you as retribution.

Do you see the vote count?



Epig is probably bad given this poll and the way he forced me into voting someone.

I don't disagree, hence my risking helping you by saying what I did.

Dom wrote:More importantly, I must vote in a way that preserves myself, as I also have two votes.



Epig, you're seeming desperate to make anyone look bad. I speculated on someone else's idea and swiftly said it could go either way.

If you genuinely think Epi is more suspicious than TH then I think you'll (probably) be safe voting for him, even after his vote would likely go to you as retribution.

voting epi

S~V~S wrote:Traditionally, forced LD statements are not acceptable. But these hosts are "newer" so I am not sure what they will allow. By forced, I mean asking direct question, "Are you a civvie?" or "Did you kill Gleam?"

Most hosts also disallow statements like "I am a civvie" or "I am not a baddie", but it depends on the host.

And i generated it since I came under immediate suspicion. I have nothing to hide, zero. So why not?

It also read to me like she was thinking that not just one of those statements, but all of them, would be checked all at once, and the results would be skewed because of that. In my (limited, I don't use them in my games because I don't like them, and I've never had a role that used them consistently from what I recall) experience, it's just a single statement a night that can be checked (ie, I'm not a baddie, would be one statement, and I didn't kill gleam would be a separate statement).

Turnip Head wrote:I suspect boo for his post where he tried to link agleamin's kill to either me SVS and Dom, or Epi trying to think like us. Boo used agleamin's death as a catalyst toward discussing the same players we were already talking about, and in his post he only considered those specific players as making the kill. For his analysis of the kill to work properly, boo would have to either assume that Epi was right about the 3 players he called out, or that Epi is a baddie who is completely in control of his team's night actions. I think boo dropped that post in there so that people could make the conclusions he wants them to, to try and get players thinking in a specific direction. I did not kill agleamin and I don't think SVS, Dom, or Epi did either. I think boo might have, though.

Seeing as I had already said I think that SVS or Epi is bad before that I'm not sure why continuing with that train of thought would surprise you...

And that is why you should use different browsers.

Well, a few thoughts.

If it is Epi lynched today, I think we'll want to keep in mind prizes awarded from the submissions, I have a pretty easy time imaging at least two out of those three potentially coming from him.

As for the discussion around him (and SVS, and Dom, and TH, really just the 4 of you discussing the 4 of you, but my 2 cents on it): his D1 vote and reasoning are about as serious as what I did in Liars Club 2, and he wound up being bad that game (and killing me for it... because I named all 3 of them in the 6 I grabbed out nowhere). My first thought when I saw his vote was that he was bad but thought using the same sort of logic would let him get away with it, and staying in the character didn't make me feel better about him. I considered voting him for that, but it was all a bit WIFOM-y for D1, and at that point I hadn't decided, between him and SVS, who I trusted (in my mind it has already come down to one of them being bad or at least indy). When the lynch ended I was leaning towards SVS for the one who was bad, but her responses (less so to what I asked her, and more the continuing argument between her and Epi), made me feel slightly better about her and a lot worse about Epi.

To cap that off, we have the NK. To me, standard logic for an early NK is to go after low-flying players to reduce the chance you get someone whose protected, and agleamin fits that to a tee (probably one of 4 players, that if I were a baddie - which I'm not, if these statements are LD-erable - I would have chosen for the NK). Now (correct me if I'm wrong you three), but the baddie team Epi has somehow already pegged 3 of the 4 of (SVS, Dom, TH), probably all share that idea for who it makes the most sense to NK. Epi, on the otherhand, doesn't operate the same way, in my experiences with him as a baddie. Now, I think all of them know that, so while we're looking at WIFOM, if one of the first three (or 2, or all three), was a baddie, they would have used that knowledge about Epi and killed someone more in line with who he may kill, and vice versa, Epi would (and I think did) decide to target someone to try and use the kill as a framejob.

Now, apologies Epi, that doesn't really give you anything to defend since it's all WIFOM/gut-based stuff, but that is what it is. If you have any new arguments for why we should vote for any of your three, or anyone new, I'll consider what you have to say, but because of my last post I wanted to get this out of the way once day started so my intentions going into the vote are clear and don't come out of nowhere since I don't think I'll be on much tomorrow when discussion is taking place.

Help me out:

S~V~S wrote:

Dom wrote:My best friend is visiting, and I don't have a lot of time. I don't want to miss a vote, and I'm not convinced on either Epig nor HEdgie. So I'll randomize for Lizzy.

For one, i don't love your randomized vote onto someone who already has a vote, thus making her the vote leader. For another, you voted randomly early since you were busy, yet you still returned for some commentary on how voting for Hedge would be a mistake. I could see more than one reason for this. So I am watching you Dom, but not voting you at this point.

Linki~ OK, but my point was that in GENERAL it's not a good idea IMO. Regardless of someones reasons for doing it, it can lead to a bad end. I have seen it, i am sure you have too. When he cast that first vote he had no clue how reasonable this group would be (he knows us; reasonable? ) It's a risk I don't like.

S~V~S wrote:I am gonna drop a vote on Epi. I really don't love endangering people just to see who reacts how. Plus his "4 minutes" thing about Dom was odd to me. Like I said, i could see more than one reason for Dom to do what he did, but less so Epi, IMO.

S~V~S wrote:No, I hate voting for people for no reason, "reaction" voting is just as bad as random IMO. Especially since he seems to pick the same people to do it to. I think his whole thing has been off for me this game.

Linki~ not sure tbh. IF Dom is civ, IF, I think i have a role in mind for him. Since with this turnout, i assume Dom is being lynched without me, I wanted my opinion on record.

S~V~S wrote:I think it more likely that Dom is bad, tbh. I said IF, and it's a big IF. I hated that vote for Lizzy. But i hated Epis vote for Hedge and that little defense of Dom even more.

And lots of people not showing up~ we could have a last minute rush. But i am not seeing it.

Reads to me like you're going back and forth on Dom. I mean, in the last post alone, you say you think Dom is bad (more likely than civ), but you voted Epi because you liked his vote less AND he defended Dom.

But... the third post reads to me like you're defending Dom. Sure, you used 'IF', but you already have a role pegged, and make a very clear effort to try and distance yourself from it if he is lynched... even though you think he's more likely bad than civ? The second post as well reads to me like you're defending Dom, not thinking about voting him.

You just seem all over the map, and this early in the game, when there isn't really that much to be all over the map on, that worries me.

Ok, well to start with the obvious, unless I missed it being mentioned elsewhere:

@mongoose/llama: Do tied votes end with no lynch, broken randomly, or are they broken some other way?

And... I've got nothing for a vote, and I'm won't be around again until after the poll is done so I went to the poll for clues.

Spacedaisy is misspelled as Speacedaisy, and I'm pretty sure that extra e is to create the idea in our minds that she is peaceful, and that is clearly a trap.

Or I'm using my vote to justify pointing out a mistake, but really, who can know?

Linki: And I thought 6 was optimistically low...

Epignosis wrote:Rats and mice.

You tell me how many miss the vote, and I'll vote the way you want me to on Day 2.

Takin' bets.

I'll take 6.

Alright, I think I'll just vote now then. A police station seems like a good start for finding a missing person to me.

Phh, finding Lana is easy, check it.

Lana. LANA. LANA. LANA! LANA! LANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!