The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:25 pm Why are you people like this

So, a part of me doesn't really want to vote not-Sloonei, but I haven't wanted to actually get Sloonei lynched for a while now, but if I'm originally right-now wrong and he is bad, and gets lynched, I don't want to be seen as saving him, and tbh I can't really remember enough of the rest of my votes to look like I've saved him before. There was the deal. I think I took a vote off of him in that. So that would look bad.

But also. I shouldn't really care about that. I kinda think he might be civ, I am civ, and I don't think LC is civ.

But also, I'm bad at civving, so should I use what I think to be a factor or just let it playout. Or even go with the flow and still vote Sloonei against my own judgement but with a sizeable minority.

I'm going with what's actually in the spirit of the game and voting [VOTE: LC] aubergine.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:55 pm If I were bad, my Day 1 vote would have certainly been on Rej by the end of the day. Two Civs on the line, and the baddie comfortably a few votes lower? Easiest soft-bus ever. Makes speedchuck a little suspicious to me, but I'd need to see how his Day 2 Rej vote progression really went down.

This one.

I called bullshit.

The votes D1 were 5 Dom, 5 Drago, 2 Rej.

You changing Dom to Rej makes that 4 Dom, 5 Drago, 3 Rej.

Either you're claiming, if you were bad:
1) You'd make that change far enough ahead of time, meaning that if just 1 person switched to Rej as well he'd be a now strong lynch candidate. If he did get lynched then or within a few phases, you would've gotten some towncred.
or
2) You wouldn't make that change more than a minute or two before the lynch end, not giving people enough time to follow you, and then if/when Rej did get lynched, no one would care about you changing the vote to him (and it actually actively probably would've looked like a distancing vote).

I had a whole post and everything about why LC was full of it and stuff. But it got eaten, apparently, cause I finished getting caught up to find no responses to it and was super confused and then realized that. So now I have to remake it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:39 pm Too many townreads on me too early. Best to shake them off a bit, that's why I was "blurry" on Day 2. I stepped back from the game a bit and made some intentionally suspicious posts. Lemme go find them.

Actually before I get to them, Sloonei brought up this post:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:50 pmThis analysis is agreeable to me. I could switch to Drago.
... looking to pin me to a situation where I said "Rej or Drago maybe" before, but went with Drago. 1. I never switched to Drago, I kept my vote on Dom. 2. Dom and Drago were the tied voteleaders at five apiece at that point, while I think Rej just had two. My point is, it wasn't really a Rej-or-Drago situation by then. Less than ten minutes left in the lynch, Rej wasn't a viable option. I spoke about Drago (and not Rej) at that point for that reason.

Anyways, back to where I was like "f this town-read crap, I need to muddy myself.

Let's start with this one (that I haven't seen Sloonei reference):

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:33 pmLC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.
For what?
This is when my radar started pinging a lot, about Sloonei buddying me. So I voted for him, and tried to be a little scummy with my second vote:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:25 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:17 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:02 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:33 pm
boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm

Why?
It's provocative. It gets the people going.
LC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.
For what?
I liked the tone of the way you handled the Dom suspicion yesterday. You stated the case, but indicated it was incomplete and not fully satisfying. It was enough for a vote, but you still appeared to be actively developing reads.
I don't like it. I think you're buddying me. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I'll put the second vote on Zemmi. I don't mind using the second lynch to cut an inactive. [VOTE: Zemmi] aubergine
... going for an inactive felt like something that should get a rise out of some players. It didn't really, as I recall. So...

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:27 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:03 am I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.
Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine
Even scummier! Where did my boo vote come from?? Had I ever talked about boo before? Come on, people.

But still, these unwelcome strong town reads....

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:28 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:26 am i like how LC contended sloonei's town read of him. it could be ballsy wifom, but i like it.
It's a classic LC move.
I try to play it off. dunya didn't even bite. If she had, I probably would have followed up with some (truthful) thing about how I make the buddying accusation when I'm bad sometimes as well.

Actually, yeah, here we go, Colin DID question my crappy votes a little! I'll spoiler it because I want to include the gif that I really like:

Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 12:15 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:52 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:27 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:03 am I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.
Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine
Didn’t you say earlier you were fine voting Zemmi for the same reason as Boo?
What, you want me to do your research for you?

Like, is that what passes for an acceptable answer these days??

Then comes another one:

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:47 pm I'll sheep nutella's vote on Tony, since she's widely townread. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine (<unvote>) BOO
Like, COME ON. Who's voting for me right now? Are you even playing this game, that you would vote for me and not even bring ANY of this crap up?

That's pretty much it for that. Do with it what you will, this is my honest play yesterday. You wanna vote me for not voting Rej, fine. Shame on you for not finding ANY of that other stuff suspicious.

Pretty sure I remember trying to get you lynched D2.

But also, [VOTE: Creature] aubergine. I mean, obviously.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:21 am It’s almost convenient enough for them to both be wolves.

Like Sloonei can look like he’s willing to lynch Rej but not have to follow through. Boo can be coached into being that aggressive.

I’m other news, I suspect everyone but DDL.

Coached into aggression? Me? Now you must die.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:38 am Road map:

Sloonei really wanted to lynch Colin. He also had a few other people he was okay with lynching, such as Rej, TSP and LC.

Boo really wanted to lynch TSP. He also wanted to lynch Sloonei. He was not interested on lynching LC or Rej. He was okay with lynching Colin.

Boo realized he has less votes on him than Sloonei, so he made "an offer you can't refuse" to Sloonei. Vote for TSP with him, and Boo would change his second vote from Sloonei to Colin. Sloonei accepted. By this point, Sloonei had already voted for Rej, but changed off it on the grounds of "there are enough people on him".

Towards the EoD, Sloonei voiced interest in switching to a Rej lynch again. Boo then reminded Sloonei he still had a gun pointed to his head, and threatened to change his vote back to him if he backed down on the "deal". Sloonei accepted it.

This is what happened. Interpret the alignments how want.

Actually, of Colin, TSP and Sloonei, I didn't really care who got lynched. I just wanted to make Sloonei not vote in the way he seemingly wanted to, so locking him up into a position I had a gun to his head was my endgoal. I made him a deal, he took it, I correctly assumed LA would move a vote to Sloonei to replace my keeping Sloonei in a dangerous position, so all I had to do to keep Sloonei locked was threaten to move him into first with Rej if he broke.

Meaning: for putting my votes on 2 people I was fine with seeing lynched, I was able to get Sloonei's votes onto people I was fine with seeing lynched, and kept Sloonei out of play for the rest of the lynch if he wanted to survive. From an information standpoint, it wound up probably being detrimental, but I really didn't trust Sloonei at the time so I didn't want to let him make any moves that would decide the lynch.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:30 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:28 pm We should probably lynch boo. He scares me.
Is this just because of his name, or is there more to it?
Pun notwithstanding... I've seen him scooch past suspicion as a baddie before. Very unassuming baddie game. I'd be remiss if I didn't point some attention at him.

My baddie game isn't unassuming, people were just terrible at reading me.

And I've had attention this game. Just the right amount.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:33 am Nice.

"As long as all members of your organization are alive, it will stay that way and all actions against you will fail. You may not perform any action yourself to maintain your status."... I don't understand this role at all.

Be something to do with the secret of his role.

Probably can disrupt the wire power (although prez and lester being dead means there probably aren't any more of those left), change the names of his teammates that show up, but not himself.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:43 am
boo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:28 am I think DDL is his teammate.
spicy. why?

Exchanges between them feel distance-y too me more than anyone else Rej really spoke to directly.

I think DDL is his teammate.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:42 pm didnt knew defenses aren't welcome here

also people can never read me lmao

ayayyy

First the ISO to my voters:

DDL: Has a misinterpretation of things against me. Doesn't like me for reasons. Tho I agree with him on the points against boo. Boo voted Drago off with uss and then he tried to sell us a Zemmi lynch possibility. His vote on boo was well placed, seems town.
Oh and yes @Dragon D. Luffy I am a noob, what attracts me in mafia are mechanics and setups and roles, I just admire the mindgaming in the DPs and I can't reach that level yet.

Speedchuck: Also went for Creature like DDL early DP1, often civillian behaviour to clear out a person's alignment or stance. Can't find scummy posts in his ISO. Also what does he have against weasleness? Weasles are cute animals. I want one as pet dafuck

Jack: Normal entrance, didn't went for creature, sheeped a vote on me which I rly don't like, until I was thematized more. Gave fuel to my wagon basically which I don't apreciate. Between the posts you can often find WIFOM... #422 I didn't like the "blah blah statement"
I see a dimension where jack and boo interactions could be W/V or W/W interactions. Deserves its own reanalysis.
#1007 lmao, is this throw off something a civ would say? and if yes why? @Jackofhearts2005
less townlean on Jack, but I don't think scum would recklessly jump on my wagon at this point?

TSP: Interesting ISO, he likes using the term W/W and this implies that he is explicitly scumhunting and he is flexible about it. Could be to create chaos or to find early leaking scum. Slightly more civ lean in the entrance. Suspecting Sloonei, then moving votes from nutella to me, + lecturing boo, since then his votes didnt change. Interesting that he did not interact with the Dom and Dragomir wagons. Were they civ caused autorunner?
50/50 on TSP depending on his bigger sheme.

Sloonei: Targets DDL, a justified target to inquisition, flips later to Boo. alot of meta talks in their posts which I cant dissect. Questioning both wagons alot is giving Sloo civ points. #653 the "shrug vote post" was kinda cute and innocent. Another townlean.
#683 @Sloonei I think we played together before? or did you host for me? there was something before that is not accurate...
and I missed answering your question, I answered because I wanted to speed up forcing an interaction, since I am mre like a peek a boo player. lmao
And yes me and Drago are compatible as scum partners, we won games together, one or two no remembering.
Sloonei asks justified questions further on, I know zero about their meta at that point, feels like dissecting a complete stranger and it's interesting.
Sloo vs nut? deserves its own post.

I am tired as fuck I will place votes now
one will be @boo the other will be Jack, I am ready to move my votes to TSP for the sake of seeing where it leads with my reeks or nutella because there is also something going on.

Will keep other ISOs for tomorrow.

Good Night
[VOTE: boo] aubergine
[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

He gave us lots to work with here.

Rej wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:53 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:21 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:57 pm Considering 17 players usually means 4 mafia in a town v mafia singleball but also considering this site is weird, I'd say 3 mafia with chances of a handful of third parties
I could see that, I don't recall ever playing a Nova game though which does make it a bit more murky.

I'd say 3-4 mafia and two third parties probably with survivorish roles, I don't think the game could support a SK given how small it is and there being role reveals. It's also possible one of the third parties is a mechanism against role claiming, if they're not I'd be wary of the mafia having a role that could punish a player for revealing info/claiming.
the way you imply he third parties being survivorish is worrying me
I note it down

If they had discussed it by this point, I think the mafia figured Omar was the/an indie in game and are worried about them and wanted to make civs go against them.

But then I'd just switch back to you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:34 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:28 pm Oh Tony is way ahead now so I'll move my vote back to [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine then second place is a three way tie
Yea mainly that, it seems like there was a concentrated effort to push him under and it's really inactive now. Which in my mind means we're moving in the wrong direction.

The biggest pop ins I disliked were dunya dropping a bote and ddl switching his off of me. And onto tony correct?
Are you suggesting that boo and I are scum partners?
Why can't I be a civilian who other civilians want to save?

I don't want to save you. I wanted the votes mostly as they now are, because you did what I wanted, so I did as offered, and LA did what I thought she would cause we're mindmelded this game, and now the day should end please.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:28 pm Oh Tony is way ahead now so I'll move my vote back to [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine then second place is a three way tie

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:39 pm Unvote Long Con
[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Oh, I changed from you to [VOTE: Colin] aubergine as offered then.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:46 pm I’m looking at Boo’s posts like “Is this how people feel when I post gifs from anime’s they’ve never heard of?
I've seen the wire and I don't even know what some of these gifs are meant to imply tbh, even just via the facial expressions

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:46 pm I’m looking at Boo’s posts like “Is this how people feel when I post gifs from anime’s they’ve never heard of?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:19 pm I have the worst cramps and pain of my life.

Moved my vote to Tony because I don't sloonei lynched today.

I still think boo is antitown

Laters gators sorry I can't be around more sloon

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:16 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:09 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:07 pm fuck, that isn't how mentions work
It should be. I had to delete the buggy little mention pop up when I was responding to you. I have no idea why it didn’t work in the post itself. Someone get an admin in here.
It has to have the mention tags, which pop up when you type part of someone's name with the @ so you can click it. So because boo just typed your whole name without clicking on it, it still popped up in the quote.
Huh. But that only works sometimes. And is slow as fuck, so unless you're a hunt and peck typer (in which case ewwww, git gud), it's kind of a useless feature. Still cool though.
Well you can also just use the mention tags in the first place. As long as you make sure you type the username just right

Yea, I usually do it that way. but apparently right then I decided @ should be enough and it turns out, not so much.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:09 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:07 pm fuck, that isn't how mentions work
It should be. I had to delete the buggy little mention pop up when I was responding to you. I have no idea why it didn’t work in the post itself. Someone get an admin in here.
It has to have the mention tags, which pop up when you type part of someone's name with the @ so you can click it. So because boo just typed your whole name without clicking on it, it still popped up in the quote.

Huh. But that only works sometimes. And is slow as fuck, so unless you're a hunt and peck typer (in which case ewwww, git gud), it's kind of a useless feature. Still cool though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:08 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:07 pm Although you could move your LC vote to TSP and then I'd be willing to consider moving my vote on you to Colin. Sloonei
What does my vote have to do with your vote?
What’s your strongest point against Tony?

You're in a position to be voting to keep yourself alive. I'm in a position I may need to but don't currently need to, but it's in the back of my mind.

Outside of you, everyone else who spoke on it agreed he came across as nonsensically pingy last night. What he's contributed today has just made him look worse.

fuck, that isn't how mentions work

Although you could move your LC vote to TSP and then I'd be willing to consider moving my vote on you to Colin. @Sloonei

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:02 pm Any takers on Long Con?

There never fuckin' is man. Jack can claim being impossible to lynch all he wants, but I'm pretty sure he's gotta be in second place behind LC for the title on that one.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:57 pm Then again maybe my reads are all way off and I'm looking at the game all wrong.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:54 pm Seriously don't get why there are still votes on boo. He's like the most obvious town imo.

no u.

right mafia?

NK her.

kthx

Got that nanook? spread it around mafiachat for me.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:39 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:38 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:41 pm I'll be here at EoD this time to counter any dumb CFD attempts.
What's CFD stand for?
Controversiallyracistphrase fire drill lol we started calling them hot potatoes instead but it only sorta caught on

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:47 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:15 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:53 pm changing from boo to TSP
After TSPs flyby on me I'll trust you over him and move my LC vote to [VOTE: Tony] aubergine
I was skimming through your ISO and I saw you doesn't have any clear stance on Dunya rn or I missed it. I am interested to hear about it since based on her votes she suspects us as scum. I can't get a good read on her rn.

She hasn't stood out to me today. I suspected her yesterday but it mellowed out a bit. So no thoughts on her currently. Can look it over though.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:41 pm I'll be here at EoD this time to counter any dumb CFD attempts.

What's CFD stand for?

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 5:53 pm changing from boo to TSP

After TSPs flyby on me I'll trust you over him and move my LC vote to [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Part 1 of my probably 1 part series on

Why Sloonei is a Villain Who You Should Help Me String Up

Reason 1: WTF was this vote?

Spoiler: show

Reason 2: Replacing JJJ who had people reading him as Mafia apparently doesn't warrant Sloonei speaking on it, but does warrant mentioning it? Why?

Spoiler: show

Reason 3: Talks a lot about how he can't be around a lot and be well informed; but has (as of this writing) 220 posts, the 2nd most.

Spoiler: show

Reason 4: Consistenly asking for things already discussed in thread that he has apparently missed and uses as an opportunity to 'engage' people by asking for more. Does not actually then follow up on almost any of it in a meaningful way though.

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:15 pm Speed isn't thinking critically on enough levels he's just calling things scummy that aren't really. He's scum
I want examples! Give me some examples! I assume you’ve already given examples, but I haven’t been laying attention and i’m on my phone!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:26 pm basically he's calling rej scum for not having a coherent stance on drago. I don't have a coherent stance on drago either so idk why that's sus
I feel like there is more to speedchuck’s read than that. He seems to be beefing with the particular language of rej’s post, arguing that it lacks direction rather than simply being non-committal. Is there anything else?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:02 pm The bulk of Dom's focus has been on Jack and nutella so far. His vote is currently on Jack. This poked piqued my interest:
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:35 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:18 pm
Nutella has said pretty much nothing this game.

But she's used a lot of players' names.
Bro I have the second most posts in the game and most of them are content. I've definitely given more reads than you have. You haven't even explained your vote for me lol.

Usually when you go after me like this you're town... but I thought something had changed the last couple times we were town together, and then last game we were scum buddies so you saw my shitty scum game up close. So you should know better by now. Find another way to stir things up, maybe talk about someone other than me for once.
WARNING! This post contains:
--Gambler's Fallacy
--Appeal to Emotion
--Assumption of The Future Being Like the Past
--Bullshit

@nutella is @Jackofhearts2005 full of shit?
Does the combination of Gambler's Fallacy, Appeal to Emotion, Assumptions of Chronology, and Bullshit indicate that nutella is bad in this instance? Could you more directly articulate why Jack is full of poop?
Are there any other names you'd like to talk about, Dom?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:10 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:57 pm ...Dom doesn't seem outside his normal civ meta.
Is that really true though?

Take a look at Dom's ISO in Girl Genius. He was Civ, I think the "main" Civ? I think the differences are pretty striking.
The D1 differences? Browsing that, it doesn't read that different to me. Do you have any specifically damning differences in mind?
In this game, the bulk of his posts are about calling things bullshit and firing off mirroring questions with no evidence of caring about the answers. In Girl Genius, he was more interactive, gave reads, agreed or disagreed with people, and said things like "It matters that you have avoided answering direct questions."

Did anyone avoid answering his direct questions in this game? Can you tell if he even cares?
Do you make anything of Dom's focus being mostly centered around Jack and nutella?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:16 pm
Yes, underwhelming. This post contains a scum read on dunya, no direct read on Dom, and a vote for Dom. Why not vote for dunya, nanook?
I was voting for Dunya, but we're at the point where voting for someone by myself is functionally the same as not voting, which is heresy.
We've got two hours left and no clear frontrunner. Why give up on the case that easily? Talk to me about dunya.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:35 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:20 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:40 pm I guess I should probably have a vote down (oh timers how I miss ye), so I'm putting it on dunya for shading good and accurate mafia philosophy for no apparent reason.

I guess I should probably put it on mac for distancing purposes but that's OK, we can distance later.

[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine
That is not how I read the exchange between you and dunya at all.
I mean...was it not obvious I manufactured that read wholesale?
How are you approaching this game right now? What is your mindset and strategy?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:13 pmHis (DoWm's) level of critical engagement has been a little less than I'm used to seeing. I don't find that in itself to be a particularly inspiring case, but it's worth exploring.
That's where I'm at, actually. I'm not super-inspired by the Dom vote either, and I wouldn't be surprised if a Dom lynch ended badly. When I went to compare the two games, I kept an open mind... if I had seen the same Dom, then I would have posted about it. Like I said, I found the differences striking, and it served to solidify my vote more. The scales are unbalanced without Dom here to defend himself, but I'm on the heavy side of the scales.. something else will have to tip the balance enough to chanfge my vote, if Dom isn't going to bring the weight down.

I have a sexy angleshooting alternate vote in mind, but I won't discuss that openly... I'll just let it inform my vote should the winds blow that way.
Who else is worth looking at?

There's a fuckton of examples for this point (I included only a handful), and it's a big one for why I don't trust him.

Dunya even calls Sloonei out on it, and Sloonei claims he has been following up as he is able (while in reality, at this point in N1, imo there are 0 posts where Sloonei is following up on questions he threw out in any meaningful way).

Spoiler: show

Reason 5: The D1 Lynch, Drago, and Dom

Defended Dom hard, but did not actually ever genuinely feel like he actually cared about the lynch result imo.
Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:20 pm Voting for Dom feels like a shrug. I am not inclined to cast a shrug vote on Day 1 for a player like Dom. He's going to give us more content to assess later on regardless of his alginment.

boo's case against Colin seems to hinge upon, or at least imply, that we are bad together. I can't vote for that case. I think I like that boo presented the case, though.

DDL, Drago, and Rej are three names I've seen floated in conversations. Who wants to ketch me up to speed on them?
Said the following:
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:53 pm I think Rej is fitting what little I understand of his town meta. Drago I haven't seen enough from yet to feel strongly about.
I feel like i have seen more proactive version of Dragomir in previous games. But that includes Day 1 of Inception, when he was mafia.
But still pushed for a Drago lynch.
Straight up lies about the votes Dom took:
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:49 pm I wouldn’t say that I was trying to move the narrative away from Dom. There wasn’t really a narrative on Dom, at least not while I was present (which was mostly just the final 2 hours of the day). I am uneasy about the Dom bandwagon in hindsight because it simply existed: no one seemed to believe all that much in it and no progress was being made on it, but nobody was moving their votes away from it either. It feels like he was mislynch bait.
Sloonei was trying to move the narrative from Dom to Drago.
There was a narrative on Dom, and I do not believe at all that Sloonei was unaware of it. LC and I discussed it a fair bit.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:30 pm
boo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:25 pm I still feel good about lynching Sloonei. I won't be moving that vote.

I think I get the reasons for the Rej votes, but they all seem high-level meta based on trusting that Drago can apparently read him and be right all of the time in a single day. I don't know if it's true and no one has offered real proof of that, so I don't know if that's just a train people jumped on thoughtlessly or legitimate. I'm pretty skeptical of it. So I don't really want to vote for him unless someone is willing to compile some links of Drago reading Rej as mafia on D1 and being right.

So... I feel like that means if I do move my LC vote (which I'm going to shortly, I feel a bit better on another pass over a few things and getting caught up) it would be to put it on Colin or TSP probably. But I don't know if I distrust the Rej lynch enough to actively try and prevent it. That many people voting without at least genuinely believing it's true would be pretty disappointing, so I think maybe it's better to let that play out.

Maybe just go back to Zemmi. Still no replacement so...
You have yet to tell us why Sloonei is a good vote.

I still feel good about lynching Sloonei. I won't be moving that vote.

I think I get the reasons for the Rej votes, but they all seem high-level meta based on trusting that Drago can apparently read him and be right all of the time in a single day. I don't know if it's true and no one has offered real proof of that, so I don't know if that's just a train people jumped on thoughtlessly or legitimate. I'm pretty skeptical of it. So I don't really want to vote for him unless someone is willing to compile some links of Drago reading Rej as mafia on D1 and being right.

So... I feel like that means if I do move my LC vote (which I'm going to shortly, I feel a bit better on another pass over a few things and getting caught up) it would be to put it on Colin or TSP probably. But I don't know if I distrust the Rej lynch enough to actively try and prevent it. That many people voting without at least genuinely believing it's true would be pretty disappointing, so I think maybe it's better to let that play out.

Maybe just go back to Zemmi. Still no replacement so...

boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:43 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:10 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:13 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:57 pm ...Dom doesn't seem outside his normal civ meta.
Is that really true though?

Take a look at Dom's ISO in Girl Genius. He was Civ, I think the "main" Civ? I think the differences are pretty striking.
The D1 differences? Browsing that, it doesn't read that different to me. Do you have any specifically damning differences in mind?
In this game, the bulk of his posts are about calling things bullshit and firing off mirroring questions with no evidence of caring about the answers. In Girl Genius, he was more interactive, gave reads, agreed or disagreed with people, and said things like "It matters that you have avoided answering direct questions."

Did anyone avoid answering his direct questions in this game? Can you tell if he even cares?
Ah. Tbh, Dom in general reads bad to me. I agree with you about how he comes across in this game, I just don't find the other game to be that different, or his game in general to be that different at the start of the game. It's when he gets quiet though, that I found he tends to actually be bad. And that I don't really see here so I'm undecided on if I want to vote for him. Be helpful if he were around to respond to stuff directly.
I do not follow the highlighted portion, boo. Are you saying that Dom has specifically been Not Quiet this game? If so, then why does he remain in consideration for a vote?
Sorry. To clarify, I mean when Dom is very quiet (by which I mean, barely posting. Will come in to vote and call it, and that's pretty much the extent), is when I've found he's pretty much always actually mafia. The rest of the time... if he's around and posting anything substantive, it almost always makes me want to lynch him early on.

So the reasons I'm seeing so far for voting for him just aren't enough to make me do that, because it does just seem like normal Dom to me. I think I understand why LC disagrees, but I also refuse to trust LC on principle, he's far to tricky for that to ever be a smartplay.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]: in regards to LC seeming insincere about Dom. It starts here.

You had a question somewhere in there about if I meant a bad read on Dom in general or this game. I meant in general. He's just someone who always feels off to me.

And then Colin. He dropped so far off my radar up until you mentioned him that I forgot I voted for him initially yesterday. I could still go for lynching him though. I think I had a pretty good suspicion there.

But you're still mafia. We should lynch you.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:50 pm *opinion on sloonei dumb phone

Actually it's probably a smartphone.

I didn't vote for you because you voted for me Sloonei. I was talking about lynching you during N1 and it was even on my mind D1. You just happened to vote for me in the first ten seconds of the day. And I think you know all of that. You've been around a lot, but have also continuously played dumb, acting like you don't know what's going on. I don't buy it. Not even a little bit.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:59 pm Who should I vote? Sell me

Nanook told me in our super secret "murder inactives with fire" BTSC that in mafiachat Sloonei has been pushing to kill you tomorrow night, so you should vote for Sloonei. And for your second vote... Just preferably not me. I dunno. Can I interest you in voting LC or Zemmi?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:33 pm It actually kinda freaks me out that Boo has votes. Why?

Cause getting lynched is mostly all I'm good for as a civ. It's a long and proud tradition at this point

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:08 pm
boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:51 pm
boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:35 pm
boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:27 pm [VOTE: LC] aubergine the other one.
Hey, what did I do?
Killed Dom.
I believe that would make me the vigilante. Why would the Mafia kill Dom after he came very close to getting lynched?

I didn't kill anyone.
I didnt mean you were literally the triggerman. But Omar (more likely than a vig, imo) bought into your Dom suspicion and killed him for it and that didn't work out, which makes me double down on my belief in your insincerity on the case against Dom.
Why? How does the vigilante buying into LC’s read make his read less sincere?

If Dom had been bad, LC would've been right, and then my finding it insincere would've been wrong. But Dom wasn't, so that reinforces my thinking that LC wasn't genuinely going after Dom because he thought he was bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:33 pm
boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:29 pm why is anyone voting for boo wtf
You mean like you did in inception?

At least in this case two of my voters are mafia.
Do you think sloonei and LC are teammates??? I don't see it tbh. I think sloonei was buddying LC. I could entertain dunya being scum though

I think it's possible. That could just be distancing, given LCs reaction to it. And if I have one of them wrong, I Dunya also has no reasons she wouldn't fit as the second. So 2/3 makes sense to me. 3/3 just seems like a paranoid claim so I avoided saying that. But even that's possible...

this is the problem with two civ wagons D1.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:32 pm
boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:29 pm why is anyone voting for boo wtf
You mean like you did in inception?

At least in this case two of my voters are mafia.
Which two?

LC and Sloonei. Dunya could be too, there's nothing that rules it out, I just don't have much of a read one way or the other right now. The waiting around to see the night post when it meant staying up past 4am seemed civ, but a lot of other stuff has seemed mafia.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:29 pm why is anyone voting for boo wtf

You mean like you did in inception?

At least in this case two of my voters are mafia.

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine since apparently people think Zemmi people seem to think will get replaced. But if not and she doesn't show up before EoD I still think we should ynch her.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:27 am Tbh I think it would be sad to kill boo after we bonded over a mutual dislike of inactives and willingness to kill them with fire.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:04 am I’m going to submit one of my two half-finished games to the next Job queue. Should I do Radiohead or Fringe?

fringe. With no observer player roles. But observers still win the game.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:04 am
boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:00 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:58 am
boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:55 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:54 am
boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:45 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:39 am I think I like Tony’s responses to my questions. But Tony’s scum game in Fallout fooled me hard and I’m incapable of looking past it.
I don't get his responses. I mean, they exist, which is nice. But I'm genuinely not able to discern any actual meaning. His last few posts feel so... Turing Test. Oooh, is that it? Is he an AI and I just made him fail? That'd be cool.
Lol I've got a mindmeld with mister bishop over here
There's a 99% chance you just implied your a cow.
I never actually watched enough Fringe to get this one lol
Walter kept a pet cow in the lab that he experimented on. Iirc, at one point he used her for early mind connection research.
That actually sounds somewhat familiar (but maybe I've been incepted lol) was it in season 1 bc I think I only ever watched season 1 but even my memories of that are vague

yea, it would be S1, fairly early on. In later seasons the cow (Betty? B...eatrice? Pretty sure she had a B name) mostly existed for pretty meh jokes about milking and teats.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:58 am My positive interpretation is that Tony responded to my question very assertively. Scum Tony might have fallen into any of those traps he listed.

My negative interpretation is that Scum Tony is clever enough to come up with an assertive response to a question like that. He doesn’t want to appear soft, so he throws the question back in my face.

Typing it out now, I actually think I feel more strongly about the latter. Interesting.

Other than the part where he listed those traps, I got no meaning out of those posts he made. Like you said, the posts weren't soft. But. Assertive I don't agree with. They felt like the absolute barest minimum to be involved without actually getting involved. Because he used those posts to justify votes that... I have no idea how he got to.

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