The Syndicate

Quin wrote:

Prisoner 740359 wrote:Welp, looks like we might as well end this voting process in the next hour...

If there's anything I can pledge to do for the parole, name it. Name iiiiit.

Can you give me an ISO of all the players you most definitely think are scum?

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Time for me to abandon you all and write a sermon.

I wish I could say the same thing. I got stuff to do, but I'm not going to do it.

That's the spirit!

It's only 1000 words and I have nearly all of the information but I have no motivation to just put it together

My entire college career summed up in one sentence. I graduated and got lots of A's.

Quin wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Time for me to abandon you all and write a sermon.

I wish I could say the same thing. I got stuff to do, but I'm not going to do it.

That's the spirit!

It's only 1000 words and I have nearly all of the information but I have no motivation to just put it together

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Time for me to abandon you all and write a sermon.

I wish I could say the same thing. I got stuff to do, but I'm not going to do it.

Golden wrote:Time for me to abandon you all and write a sermon.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

Quin wrote:

Prisoner 740359 wrote:Name your price, players. I have proposed more than DDL as a suspect and, apart from Golden the Warden, I don't believe any of you have any real reasons to dislike me.

Name what I'd take for me to not have to go back and solve the Warden's stinking puzzles.

six oranges

uhm meaning what.

I want six oranges. And not the cheap kind.

Is this good enough for you?

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

Quin wrote:

Prisoner 740359 wrote:Name your price, players. I have proposed more than DDL as a suspect and, apart from Golden the Warden, I don't believe any of you have any real reasons to dislike me.

Name what I'd take for me to not have to go back and solve the Warden's stinking puzzles.

six oranges

uhm meaning what.

S~V~S wrote:No as a woman it insulted me

Matt wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I'm disappointed in the dragon lynch.

As long as town keeps screwing themselves-most likely e scum's help, I have very little interest in posting on this game. Nobody listens to me anyway.

I am seriously all ears. I prefer having the most information I can to form an opinion.


Matt, can you provide any concrete reasons you feel Boomrique is for certain town?

Like I said, who here thinks Enrique would run away as a bad guy and get replaced? Show of hands.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I'm disappointed in the dragon lynch.

As long as town keeps screwing themselves-most likely e scum's help, I have very little interest in posting on this game. Nobody listens to me anyway.

It's possible we're wrong. It's possible you're wrong.

You shouldn't bail on the game though. Most people seem to trust you and that's just as important as people following your reads. Make your case heard loudly and be thorough, and people will follow. That's just the game, yanno?

Silverwolf wrote:I'm disappointed in the dragon lynch.

As long as town keeps screwing themselves-most likely e scum's help, I have very little interest in posting on this game. Nobody listens to me anyway.

Golden wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

indiglo wrote:This may be the most unanimous lynch we've had! I can't tell if that should make me happy or really nervous.

Without the prisoners the margin would only be one vote.

I'm not sure if that should make me really happy or nervous.

I guess it depends how neutral non-player prisoners such as 509 are. 509 has felt very town-aligned, which I'd expect would be his normal setting if he had no stake in the game.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

indiglo wrote:This may be the most unanimous lynch we've had! I can't tell if that should make me happy or really nervous.

Without the prisoners the margin would only be one vote.

Epignosis wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:While I'm fine voting DDL, just be aware that Norton comes in, votes sig, and people scamper away from sig like they just found out he has TB (the disease, not Bubbles formerly known as TinyBubbles).

Go on and think about that for a minute.

I don't think sig lost more than one or two votes after that. Most of the "scampering" has been from people moving off of people other than sig, or from people placing their first votes of the day.

I'm not talking just votes. I'm talking suspicion in general. This marks three days of "sig's bad" to "nah, not going to vote sig today." If sig is bad, I'm going to tear this thread apart looking for the people who kept their kid gloves on and why.

Time permitting.

Or, you know, opinions can change as things continue to unfold in the thread... and others can start looking like better options.

Opinions changing is not the same thing.

Not necessarily the same thing, I mean.

Look at me, adding an adverb.

Sloonei wrote:I thought we had more time (rather, I thought it was earlier in the day than it is. Curses, DST), with less than an hour to go DDL looks like a sure thing to be lynched.'

I have been assuming the prisoners are only a 1-day thing, so I'll miss you guys if that's the case. Thanks for all your help and have fun being put back in jail.

Matt wrote:

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

Matt wrote:Not likin' the votes on Boomrique

Why?

Because he's obvi not a cop and I think people voting him are taking the easy way out.

indiglo wrote:

Matt wrote:Not likin' the votes on Boomrique

Any reason in particular?

Matt wrote:Not likin' the votes on Boomrique

Prisoner 740359 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 740359 wrote:Can you be more specific, Epignosis?

I mean looking at the posting times and narrowing down who the warden is.

There has been no activity for Friday, so I'm starting with that.

I tried to monitor players that way in a game once. Couldn't actually match up one single player with their suck, really.

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:While I'm fine voting DDL, just be aware that Norton comes in, votes sig, and people scamper away from sig like they just found out he has TB (the disease, not Bubbles formerly known as TinyBubbles).

Go on and think about that for a minute.

I don't think sig lost more than one or two votes after that. Most of the "scampering" has been from people moving off of people other than sig, or from people placing their first votes of the day.

I'm not talking just votes. I'm talking suspicion in general. This marks three days of "sig's bad" to "nah, not going to vote sig today." If sig is bad, I'm going to tear this thread apart looking for the people who kept their kid gloves on and why.

Time permitting.

S~V~S wrote:Ebwop, and I am not as sold on ika being bad as I am on Enrislang.

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 413022 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Speaking of indiglo, I want her to name a suspect or two who is/are not currently being widely suspected in the thread.

why with that limitation? What has she done that we have not seen that makes her behavior this phase so call out worthy?

My observation of indiglo at the time was that she was participating in a number of the big bandwagons/lynches throughout the game, but she always seems to come in late, after things have I already been discussed. I was not, and still am not, totally sure whether this was opportunistic scum piggybacking, or just a genuine case of a player who is constantly in ketchup. I am leaning towards the latter, but it never hurts to ask.

Golden wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Of the UTR group, Serge looks like the most viable suspect so far to me.

Like this particular iso, especially if DDL is lynched and comes back bad.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Enrique in Tree Mafia

He was lynched as the cop. It made him angry. I don't think this individual likes receiving votes in general, and this makes twice that he essentially calls everyone who suspects him stupid directly or indirectly. I'm not here to criticize, I'm only drawing the meta comparison. In this case he really didn't provide a good reason that I can readily identify to town read him. My mind keeps returning to this post, which I think can be read at face value to decide whether he's a candidate:

Spoiler: show

Enrique wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Golden wrote:lol enrique and sig just look like they are co-ordinating a plan to take sloonei out, to me. Thats what it looks like.

Sloonei would for me be at 'confirmed civ' on the rainbow. He was first in and a critical piece of the Fuzz lynch. I will be astonished if he ends up being a cop. Astonished! It would probably be the most astonishing flip I would ever have seen! But I'm sure he isn't.

Golden you have bad, bad views lmao.

Lynch me tomorrow I don't have the time to play anyway. But Sloonei is bad, I called it already.

btw I was the first Fuzz voter

linki- as a game mechanic Golden, this isn't new

And this is another huge reason you're so suspicious. You were the first Fuzz voter, away from all the other bandwagons before the CFD was even on anyone's mind. As soon as it started you bailed. Why? What was your vote doing there if you didn't actually want to lynch him?

I was creating an unnecessary connection to my teammate on Day 2 because I fell like it.

Was he, in his frustrated state, waving his WIFOM around in plain sight? Or was this sarcasm indicative of his playing trait which shows him treating everyone who suspects him like idiots?

I don't struggle to lean toward the former.

Enrique wrote:I'm dead and I was the cop and all of you suck.

Prisoner 813142 wrote: You know, Golden, just zip it.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Looking at Mongoose/Draconus (Mongconus):

Spoiler: show

Mongoose wrote:So last night I check in here after 5 sometime, with like 25 mins to go. I start reading through the posts and start creating my own vote and I lose wireless (I was in the car on the way to yoga, don't worry, I wasn't driving). so then I tried at least voting 20 times, but when I pressed enter each time, it would not go through and would just give me one of those dead pages you get when you don't have wireless signal. I even borrowed a friend's phone, but I guess at some time I had changed my password, so I couldn't log in that way. I had it resent to my email, but then I'm back to the problem that I couldnt access my email on my phone because...no wireless. Let's just say I was a very stressed out, anxious kitty by the time we arrived at yoga.

I just want to empathize with those espousing how playstyle will get you in trouble when it's totally not indicative of alignment -- I can 1000% relate to this discussion.

I'm only highlighting this to indicate the technical difficulties Mongoose was having prior to her requesting replacement. She said nothing about Fuzz, and indeed seemed to be out of the thread for the most part after the pre-game phase. I don't read into that either way. She voted for TH on Day 1 and missed the vote on Day 2.

It appears Draconus was insanified on Day 4. I don't see a role to attribute this too other than "SECRET ROLE". If that's the cause, then it says nothing about Drac's alignment.

Otherwise there's not much here. He missed the vote on Day 3 and self-voted on Day 4, so who knows what to do with that nonsense. I really don't have much of a read at all on Mongconus -- he could be town or mafia and it wouldn't surprise me. He needs to get more involved ASAP or his eventual lynch might be inevitable with this kind of post history.

Prisoner 813142 wrote:Greeting players and prisoners. I have returned once again.

I would like to call attention to a curious fact that I am observing in the poll. One of the top three right now is sig, with four votes. One of those votes is from the Warden, with whom I have a sort of adversarial relationship. What are the thoughts on this? Obviously the Warden is a party that most of us want to eliminate. Is it possible that the Warden placed his vote on sig in an effort to trick us using "reverse psychology"? Or is it possible that the Warden is willing to "bus" a teammate behind his sock account, knowing that his vote can't be traced backed to his "unsocked" self? Or are we basically just ignoring the Warden's vote at this point? Really, I don't know what to make of that.

Draconus wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Draconus wrote: I had something typed up, had to go back to work, came back to post, and it disappeared. FML.

ika wrote:in that case im voting draconous for now

im saddened that silver thinks my budding is scum. shes should knwo thats the nullest of null tells

Why?

I had a comment on DDL because he's being brought up as a lynch candidate: I feel good about him because of his actions surrounding the Fuzz situation.

Sig: I don't think Silver answered my question, but this to anyone who wants to answer. Why is Sig a suspect? I've read some of the more recent discussions surrounding him but I still don't know.

What question is that? I don't think did is a suspect. I'm voting for ika cuz he's buddying the fuck out of me.

I asked you in an earlier post what your thoughts were on the Sig votes and on Sig himself. I don't have many posts and they're not very long so I understand missing it.

Also, there's a history here of significant others being able to read each other very well (it's not 100% but I do remember it happening several times). Also, Matt's post below peeked my interest in ika. Can you (or anyone else) confirm that ika said Sloonei was a failed arrest?

Matt wrote:

ika wrote:

S~V~S wrote:ika you have info? Or is this your opinion? You are stating it as a fact. When we do that here, it tends to be a hint of sorts most of the time. Not always, but more often than not.

its opinion. when i say someoes town its mostly opion but my phraseing can eb odd

Hrm.

We should lynch ika. And if he turns up bad, we lynch SVS next for this back and forth here which presents us with "awww ika just has odd phrasing, no wonder he phrased that 'sloonei was the failed arrest' thing the way he did."

Derp.

ika wrote:ok so i wanted to sayt his for the longest time but i couldnt ue to psot restrciosn but......

sloon is porbally a don based on the failed arrest.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 920077 wrote:Boomslang showed up, didn't acknowledge the accusations against him directly, and voted for ika.

Quin, who SVS has said (and whom I trust) is most likely to be bad, has voted ika.

In short, I'll not be voting ika today. This, despite the fact that silver wolf also seems fairly trustworthy to me.

I also don't trust most of the sig bandwagoners including obviously the hated Warden, so that's out.

That leaves me with sticking with Boomslang, joining SVS on Quin which I will do if it will lead to his lynch, or DDL who I will read up on tomorrow.

That so few people see Enrique's posts around the Fuzz lynch as ping-y baffles me. It's clear as day.

Right now I'd call Enrislang the second-most suspicious. I could be on board with that lynch too. I'd really like to hear from DDL before EOD, because I do think he has the ability to change minds if he tries and is genuine.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

indiglo wrote:Ok, so I found the post of Luffy's that gave me pause on suspecting him. I would love to get some more input on this.

During the CFD of Fuzz, Luffy put up some resistance. Gleam was his first choice (no judgment there ), but after a bit of time he decided to join us in the Fuzz lynch. I went back to read that whole section to get context. At this point, I believe Fuzz and ika were tied. Sloon offered up the option of switching to Matt 1.0. Then, Luffy responded like this:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

sig wrote:Why would mafia Fuzz pop in at endgame and vote Ike unless he was saving Gleam/Epi if this was the case why ditch both those wagons? This is the scummiest CFD since the one I lead to stop me from getting lynched when I was almost confirmed mafia

@Epi he didn't

because he needed to vote, and maybe all three of them are townies and he just wanted to send any one of them to jail.

also i put my vote on Matt. How do we all feel about that?

No.

Godanmit guys, this isn't turbo mafia.

Which is where I'd like interpretations from others. (Maybe even those who have played with him before.) I liked this. Were he a teammate of Fuzz's... would he be more likely to try to get off the wagon and get folks to go elsewhere? Or would he ride it out and risk losing a teammate?

For further context, remember, Fuzz & ika were tied at this point, and when the poll ended (like 20 or 25 minutes after this comment from Luffy) ika actually had MORE votes than Fuzz.


Linkapalooza~

I understand your trepidation, but I don't agree. The basic premise of DDL's content at that point in the game wasn't "don't lynch Fuzz", but rather "don't CFD". This means to me that when Sloonei presented another alternative option (Matt), a baddie DDL would have had no choice but to stick to his prior strategic stance: that moving votes around is inherently a bad idea. Also, imagine the crap he'd be taking now if he had taken Sloonei up on this. The progression would have [potentially, from his mindset] been:

~ Sloonei and numerous others CFD to Fuzz
~ DDL protests the CFD movement of votes
~ Sloonei moves his vote to Matt and asks for feedback
~ DDL suddenly supports that vote movement, away from Fuzz (who was still at real risk of being lynched)
~ Fuzz is lynched and flips bad

This would mean that DDL's strategic stances were inconsistent, and that the only variable in existence to define the inconsistency would be whether or not Fuzz was the target of the moving votes. That would be a bright blinking neon sign that screams in capital letters "I'M FUZZ'S TEAM MATE". I think a baddie DDL is capable enough to grasp that problem and consciously avoid it -- as he would have done by opposing Sloonei's Matt vote. I think it was strategically necessary.

Sloonei wrote:Hi Boomslang, let's talk about your three posts.

Boomslang wrote:Hey everybody, jumping in at short notice and not knowing particularly what I'm getting myself into. Will try to reach and understanding of Enrique, but there's no way in hell I'm wading through 2350 posts today. Or ever, for that matter :P

Why was your initial instinct upon subbing into this game to come to an understanding of the player you were replacing? Isn't that the one thing about the game you shouldn't need to have to figure out? Why was this your first (and so far, only) point of emphasis?

Boomslang wrote:Ok, from my very quick overview, looks like Enrique was suicidal and has an ongoing beef with Golden. I am not suicidal, but my engagement is going to be fairly limited due to grad school demands. Still going to try to post daily and make reasonably informed votes.

Thank you for that reassurance. Got any thoughts on that Golden beef?

Boomslang wrote:Argh, gotta get to band practice. Voting Golden to preserve Enrique's thrust and because I don't have an immediate reason not to.

Was Enrique onto something? So far you've acknowledged that he had some case on Golden, but not hinted at any of the reasons, either as to why Enrique suspected Golden or why you're going to go ahead and support this as your only move in the game.

Boomslang wrote:Ok, from my very quick overview, looks like Enrique was suicidal and has an ongoing beef with Golden. I am not suicidal, but my engagement is going to be fairly limited due to grad school demands. Still going to try to post daily and make reasonably informed votes.

Boomslang wrote:Argh, gotta get to band practice. Voting Golden to preserve Enrique's thrust and because I don't have an immediate reason not to.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

sig wrote:Why would mafia Fuzz pop in at endgame and vote Ike unless he was saving Gleam/Epi if this was the case why ditch both those wagons? This is the scummiest CFD since the one I lead to stop me from getting lynched when I was almost confirmed mafia

@Epi he didn't

because he needed to vote, and maybe all three of them are townies and he just wanted to send any one of them to jail.

also i put my vote on Matt. How do we all feel about that?

No.

Godanmit guys, this isn't turbo mafia.

Golden wrote:Indi's catch up is as fun as reading it all the first time.

Sloonei wrote:

Warden wrote:I understand you people like rainbows.
Turnip Head
SVS
ika
Silverwolf
chaindeath
Black Rock
Matt
Epignosis
Golden
Serge
Nerolunar
indiglo
Dragon D. Luffy
Soneji
Quin
a2thezebra
thellama73
Boomslang
Draconus
Scotty
Sloonei
sig
Red

Is it because I'm Irish? [Insert the leprechaun smiley I assume indiglo has on hand]

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

ika wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not the first time you've described her read as "the nullest of null". What compels to you say this more than once?
Silverwolf, if you could substantiate your suspicion of ika more thoroughly I'd be a happy camper.

i think your misunderstanding the context, im telling her the buddying is the nullest tell she can have on me, not the read hrself

I understand the context. Why are you dismissing her suspicion of you like that? To me it seems like you are telling her to drop the suspicion just because. You're not offering a reason, you're just saying no to it.

And then I asked Silverwolf to substantiate the case because if she does that I can judge it better and you will have to respond more thoroughly.

im dismissing it cus shes knows my meta so well that buddying in itself is null. if she has specifcs about ym buddign then i can see it more clearly.

do i make sense?

ika-You make me sad. First you buddy the shit out of me and then you discredit me. Yes, you have buddied me as town before. The difference is, as town you had a healthy paranoia of me and didn't autotownread me right away. Here you just immediately townread me and immediately defended me from any attack against me, often before I could say anything myself.

I feel like you were trying to get me on your side so that I wouldn't look at you too closely because you know I am a threat to you when you are scum and I am town. It's very similar to what I've done before as scum and I've seen you do as scum to other people you know in games-defend them to the death.

Also, I know you like to hardcore buss so your vote on RadicalFuzz isn't that much of a town indicator for you as I'd like it to be.

Also, You immediately discredit me when I ask about your buddying instead of show me the town outrage I'd expect if I was wrong-a scum tactic coming from you.

I don't see the same fight from you this game I've seen in other town games. You are too passive.

Finally, you are dismissing every suspicion against you as null tells. They can't all be null tells. Some of them are just plain old scumtells.

Golden wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:That's the second time in an hour or so that Golden and I have made like the exact same post, and both times it was accidental.

Welcome to the golden and indiglo show, you can be our honorary third.

I can't see indi as bad this game because at times it feels like we are using the same brain.

S~V~S wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Quin wrote:My conclusion is that they have a BTSC link, and I'm inclined to believe its police BTSC as opposed to a Capo/Crew or Don/Consigliere link.

For the sake of argument I'll simply accept everything you said up to this point, so I can follow your thought process. If they have BTSC, why do you think it's more likely cop-inclined than not?

Becasue he's bad himself, 509378. That's why.