The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I want to lead a CFD counterwagon because I don't like any of these 3, but I have no idea where to go. My vote is accomplishing nothing but I don't know where else to put it. I really hope Epi doesn't get lynched, I haven't played with him in forever and I'm liking his new approach this game.

I'd love to, too, but we would need to get enough people on board, and preferably including some of the current voters on the existing 3 wagons.

My mind is open.

Golden wrote:Voted for gleam.

I think I'd prefer to vote elsewhere, but I'm voting in defence of ika.

Silverwolf wrote:

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I'm gonna finish this game out cuz I know the hosts are having difficulty finding replacements and I do indeed appreciate the warm welcome I got, but this will likely be my last game here. I understand suspecting people for legitimate reasons but suspecting myself or ika because we play different or are defending each other from playstyle type lynches is not all that enticing for me to want to continue here.

Do you think it is not a fair point, to point out that all 5 of the voters of ika are also new here?

I think it is rough, to call it a knock on the Syndicate. Especially since I'm pretty sure ika is ultimately not going to get lynched for it. He seems to have quite a few defenders.

Fair enough, I don't mean to knock the Syndicate overall and I'm not trying to say that ika or myself should not be suspected or questioned or voted for legitimate reasons. I do feel like the reason people are suspecting us-and particularly ika, is because of a different playstyle, and like I said, this is very discouraging.

And let me just say this now. I'd never, ever use something like this to manipulate as scum. I do have strong feeling against emotionally manipulating people as scum, since I had a friend do it to me a long time ago. It's just not something I believe in. Me getting emotionally is definitely not an alignment tell either way.

Enrique wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I haven't left the ika wagon, don't worry. Just moving my vote around on the poll for strategic reasons.

linki- extremely low. I missed the first two days almost completely and my ADHD makes me only really skim through things I don't fully understand. I asked to be replaced a while ago, I feel really embarrassed about this, but it's gonna be hard for me to get fully into this game especially when I have tons of other work to catch up on.

Why did that post catch your eye?
I gave a much more in depth explanation that explained a part of my strategy for having my vote where it is right now. The other part is that I wanted to put pressure on other people while there was still time left in the day.

It read as manipulative, in a way that if somebody called you out on it you could just say "Trust me I'm just mysterious!"

Also shame on you, indiglo. My avi is an axolotl Isn't it cute tho

linki- shut up sig we both know ur mine

sig wrote:

Golden wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:With regards to the new player thing, ika, it is frustrating. I have played a handful of mafia games here and at piano, it's tough to get integrated into a community that's had each other for a while. The Pikmin mafia I played most recently was the first game on this site where I wasn't lynched or nightkilled in the first voting period. Hence the very low post count for someone who has been here since 2013. And even so, this game is the first real mafia game I've gotten any sort of a platform whatsoever.

I get that frustration entirely. I was maddeningly frustrated for someone who just wanted to play a mafia game somewhere. But I think if you stick with the community it'll become more enticing.

I agree.

Poor scotty and sig, I felt sorry for those two and it was often me sticking up for them in their early games, but they died early often.

I'm still in my early games here so you should keep sticking up for me. :P

linki: I don't belong to Enrique? :P



So re the whole Ike thing I wasn't feeling the wagon, but Silver coming in and saying she won't play as much if he flips bad is pingy on many levels. It isn't fair to the players or the hosts to hold your activity up as a weapon if things aren't going your way. This might just be me but this seems like a quite scummy thing to do. How does eveyrone else feel on this?

Enrique wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Enrique wrote:ika are you a baddie?

Are you?

Matt wrote:Lol indi. Sorry, the supatown MVP thing was nothing from you, I believe Golden just won several awards @ Socky's, so that's why I keep saying that. Even without the awards, though, Golden is a supatown kinda player, so for him to have zilch with the exception of the "no u Matt" feels weird. If there were two mafia in this game, it wouldn't feel so bad, but considering there is only one mafia, yeah...I'm feeling Golden is having a tough time generating fake reads.

Anyway, I can see where you're coming from with "Matt is making shiz up" but it's really just how I feel. If that earns your vote, dat's cool though.

Nobody seems to wanna join a Golden train, switching to gleam for ika's sake.

Sloonei - Yeah, I know Golden's busy. Doesn't make me feel better that he's wasting his vote on me because he thinks I'm "generating my own town meta" or whatever. Also, if Golden really thought I was bad, I would expect him to be cheerleading my lynch, but nah, he's cool sittin' in the shadows till day is over apparently.

Matt wrote:Okey dokey, indiglo.

I've played a lot of games with Golden. He's a pretty spectacular hunter, if I may say so myself, but in this game...zilch.

My initial ping on him was the "quick reads" thing, then the omgus, and then he put a vote on me right when day started, hasn't said much since. Feels like he's layin' low cuz I know he's active in at least one other game.

Considering moving my vote to gleam. I have no idea if ika is good or bad, but he's new, and I feel like people are picking on him because of the aforementioned frolicking between himself and Silverwolf.

Linki - Hi Zeebs! We haven't sparred yet so far. What do you think of Supatown MVP Golden not having any suspects, omgusing me, then layin' low for the rest of the phase?

Matt wrote:indiglo, I'm not entirely sure why you're putting a vote on me. Because I think it's weird that supatown MVP AWARDED GOLDEN doesn't have ANY suspects in a game where this is only ONE mafia?

Derp. Wait, sorry, he omgus'd me into a suspect. M'bad.

Enrique wrote:Err, Don, sorry.

I don't think you're having a go at me, I simply and I mean this sincerely hadn't been around till a couple hours ago, and still I'm sure I've contributed more than several other people in the game. The smileys I posted were probably like every single moment I even had signal yesterday. I'm also not grouping you with Diiny, you sorta just came up with that on your on.

But I'm here now and I may be a little swamped with work but I'll catch up any minute.

Enrique wrote:I'm so sorry, guys. I hate non-participators, but I simply don't have the time to catch up right now. I'm asking Daisy and MP to replace me, and also want to apologize for taking up a space in this awesome game I couldn't play. If they can't find a replacement and things calm down a bit on my end, then I'll make an effort to play this. I just have so much on my plate that kinda takes priority.

RadicalFuzz wrote:Matt is either playing from a high tightrope or is town. The risk/reward for his actions feels like high/medium if he's scum.
Sloonei is my strongest townread, as his posts have consistently made logical sense and he's avoided tunnelling on one player or interaction. It feels like he's trying to solve the game, and that's good.
You look town-y to me, for similar reasons to Sloonei. The difference is your tone reads as a little early to reach a conclusion, like you're content with finding enough facts to reach a conclusion at all, not necessarily the correct one.

Spirityo still has said next to nothing and we're a few hours out from Day 2 ending. His four posts consist of the following. A "linki - that's a good idea", one "I agree with Sloonei about the cultural differences between RYM & Syndicate", a greeting to everyone, and an apology for missing the vote. Absolutely zero content whatsoever.
Enrique I don't like because of his refusal to explain his vote on Day 1. That entire situation read as if he was nervous, if that makes sense, like he didn't have a reason at the time of his vote but decided he needed one.

I refuse to touch the Silverwolf/ika thing with a 39 & 1/2 foot pole. There's some logic to be found in interactions regarding them, but so much emotion that I'd probably end up stepping on someone's toes and they'd get mad at me for their decision to wear sandals.

My vote's going to be used to prevent a tie today. I'm indifferent as to where specifically it goes.

Turnip the reason you should vote for me is so you stop twiddling your thumbs about who to vote for.

Llama can you elaborate on your conclusion that Luffy's posts scream "cop?"

thellama73 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Serge wrote:@thellama73, is your vote for Luffy serious? If so, why?

Yes. I continue to interpret his comments about the difficulty cops have in arresting Dons as frustration about a personal win condition that is difficult to achieve.

Has anything else in his posts aftet that caught your eye in the same way?

Everything he says screams "cop." Every single post.

Sloonei wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm adding Sloonei to my list btw. Enjoy your stay Sloon.

What list? Should I be nervous or thrilled?

Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.

Matt wrote:'Sides Golden, Quin is reading funny to me. Can't put my finger on it. Perhaps an ISO is in order!

Epignosis wrote:
Show me where I bounced back and forth on my Gleam / Not Gleam vote.

Go.

Sloonei wrote:

indiglo wrote:OMG DID I CATCH UP?????

Who should we all be voting for today?

Epignosis wrote:Sorry Wilgy. I can't vote for you anymore. Something else came up.

Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Go on...

Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

Uh-huh. Nerolunar. Is the thread being steered? Who is doing the driving?

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

Have you figured it out yet?

No. A grammar and spelling manual would do wonders.

ika wrote:i do analize them

Ooooow.

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:Nothing personal is being thrown around here. It's the nature of the game to banter and question motives. I know I mean nothing personal, and Quinn means nothing personal.

I take it personal that anyone would think as such.

I don't know, when Wilgy stole my fish hat I took that pretty personally.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:And lets me add: the feeling I get about the people voting for ika is rage (or fake rage in the case of possible bads among them). People are angry at ika because he won't give the responses they want. This lynch doesn't feel rational. It feels like cultural shock.

I'm not buying a lynch based on cultural shock. Not today.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Actually, instead of gleam, I'm switching my vote to Epignosis.

Epignosis wrote:I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Epignosis voted for gleam on Day 1 as noted in this post. His vote was a prod for someone who had not posted in the game yet. Gleam does come into the thread a half-hour later, responds to the vote without much care.

But here's what Epignosis has to later on Day 1.

Epignosis wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm sorry, your responses could be genuine but you are filling every box of my checklist.

- First you were not trying to hunt scum.
- Then people called you out and you literally accused all three people who were suspecting you. In other words, OMGUS.
- Then you say you are trying to protect civs when you had never posted a single civ read.
- Then you pull the "no lynch" theory out of nowhere. Which is a objectively bad theory because we can't win the game unless we try to lynch people.
- And now you are pigbacking on someone to validade your own points, when that someone doesn't actually have the same opinion as you. I've got lynched twice before as mafia for doing that, and lynched another mafioso for it. I think it's a good scumtell.

I refuse to vote for agleaminranks. Gleam gets lynched early all the time. I think the last time he told us to sit and spin or something.

He refuses to vote for gleam because he gets lynched early all the time, after previously voting for gleam.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote: If humans were perfect, this game would be impossible.

I'm perfect. Are you?

Well, I'm sick right now, and I consider that apersonal moral failing, so I guess not.

Who is a cop, Epi? Is it Dragon? (hint: yes)

As of this point, I'd say Wilgy, and if Wilgy is bad, gleam is with him after that wild speculation in defense of Wilgy.

On to Day 2, Epignosis then states that if DrWilgy is bad, then gleam is with him. The same gleam Epignosis refused to vote the previous Day.

Epignosis wrote:I will say that I don't understand the six votes on gleam. Did he break wind or something?

Then Epignosis states he doesn't understand why gleam has six votes.



I smell waffles.

Sloonei wrote:I haven't looked at indiglo's posts yet, so let's do that now. This is the one that stands out most to me:

indiglo wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:My general strategy is to point out things that I don't like.

Gleam do you understand my confusion at your policy of "I'd rather not lynch civs Day 1 than try to lynch scum" in this format? I mentioned it earlier but that was in the big spoilered post and I want to make sure I get the chance to talk to you about this.

Mmm, I had missed you addressing me in that spoiler post. Apologies.

Yeah, the way you put it makes sense. I was kind of operating under the principle that both mafia families were the traditional "civilians" of the game , and that's kind of how they're being treated by everyone here. But it is, in the end, going to boil down to which family is left standing. It's not something I'd really considered, nor anyone else as far as I can see. The cops are the more imminent threat.

This is what I am still pondering about this game. The set up is such that yes, hunting cops is preeminent. Beyond that, I am just really not sure how to even begin to approach things. Beyond cops there are no "baddies" to hunt. Not sure what kind of patterns to look for, or even what to look for. I've not played a game set up like this, so at first I'm just kind of trying to figure out how tf to even approach it.

This part worries me a little bit. I do not get your gripe that "beyond cops there are no baddies to hunt." What does this mean? Should there be more bad guys? This post hints that you are preoccupied with sussing out something more than just who's a cop and who's not. What else are you trying to figure out, and why? This is a unique setup, but the Town vs. Scum dynamic isn't really changed at all.

Well, you yourself admit it's a "unique setup" - so I'm not sure how my mentioning it would be strange to you? But to answer your question, I'm looking at win cons, and each Mafia Family has to eliminate the other Mafia Family. That is what I'm not sure how to approach. Once the cops are gone (and I think getting scummy reads on them should be very similar to any other scum/mafia reading in any other game) I'm not sure how to figure out which peeps are in my Mafia Family and which peeps aren't. That's my issue. (Of course, I may very well be dead by then, which would make the point moot )

I honestly do not like how Matt was badgering (crap, now I forgot who he was badgering ) about having so many reads so quickly. Like, being super close minded about the tunnel vision and not open to hearing the whys of it. Just focusing on the time of it, rather than the actual mechanics of what went on. Because something similar happened to me in a game recently - and I got mislynched because of it. Can't know if this is a similar case, but it just left a bad taste in my mouth and this reminded me of that.

This is one of the most substantial reads you've given so far and I dig it. Care to follow up on Golden, the badger victim, or share any other reads you've got?

I am working on catching up now. There is so much posting in this game, that it has been taking all my mafia time just to catch up, which then leaves me with precious little time to do rereads. I am not complaining though, an active game is nice, plus with 48 hour days you have to expect a fair bit of participation. Well, I know as a host I hope for games this active, so it's nice for Daisy & MP.

Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Sloonei wrote:What so other people think of ika? Am I alone in thinking his behavior stinks of deliberate unhelpfulness? On Day 1 he kept saying he wanted to sort silverwolf first and foremost, which is a reasonable strategy, but on Day 2 he just seems to be saying she's town but not really working together in any capacity with her like he seemed to suggest, and most of the reads he's posting are minimal at best. He is falling back on a meta-defense when I (or anyone else) press him. I can understand differences in culture and playstyle, but this also wreaks of a player who's taking advantage of these differences to hide behind them.

Sloonei wrote:I haven't taken a close look at gleam's posts today, but the swiftness of those votes against him to start the day pretty much deterred me from wanting to vote for him.

RadicalFuzz wrote:I don't really like Gleam at the moment, but I've been focused on the whole "We shouldn't lynch so that way town might not die" statement for the majority of my time thinking about Gleam. Can we get statements of intent from people voting Gleam (Luffy, Silverwolf, Marsh, ika, SVS, & Scotty) to clarify their viewpoints?

There are legitimately 8 people whose names start with "S." That's weird.

agleaminranks wrote:

RadicalFuzz wrote:My general strategy is to point out things that I don't like.

Gleam do you understand my confusion at your policy of "I'd rather not lynch civs Day 1 than try to lynch scum" in this format? I mentioned it earlier but that was in the big spoilered post and I want to make sure I get the chance to talk to you about this.

Mmm, I had missed you addressing me in that spoiler post. Apologies.

Yeah, the way you put it makes sense. I was kind of operating under the principle that both mafia families were the traditional "civilians" of the game , and that's kind of how they're being treated by everyone here. But it is, in the end, going to boil down to which family is left standing. It's not something I'd really considered, nor anyone else as far as I can see. The cops are the more imminent threat.

Tranq wrote:I voted Bullzeye. I feel he got replaced way too fast after his vote. He took the time to catch up, vote for me, said he'll ask to be replaced, and got replaced 4 minutes after that. Feels like the arrangements to get him replaced were already set in motion before he posted and voted.

Scotty wrote:Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Tranq wrote:

Scotty wrote:I will bet my [hopefully] unborn child that the 30 person coordinated vote will not work out. There will be too many no-shows. There always is in these games.

No-shows could get replaced. I see no harm in trying Wilgy's plan. For science!

Of the low posters, Tranq's only post here seems very bright-eyed and bushy-tailed. Will continue to scan the thread but he's going to get my vote right now.

Bright-eyed and bushy-tailed? I haven't heard that one before. What do you mean by that?