The Syndicate

Storms are all over, and all power is on and good to go. And let me say... HOLY FRAK!!!! A lot happened, and that was a lot to absorb. I'm probably gonna be pretty stream of consciousness here because my mind is going a mile a minute...

That vote and lynch made LoRab look real bad. SD's reaction, coupled with some previous pinginess on her part aren't making her look good either.

LC, my apologies. After reading what went down, I am sorry. You will now find my opinion on you amended. Shocked, ain't ya? But seriously, do you have to use the sledgehammer to accomplish what a tap on the shoulder could have just as easily accomplished?

Also, to whoever said they want to ISO me, I understand that completely, and can respect that reaction. Being human/civ/town does not mean being right all the time. I stand by the vote I made at the time, with the info I had at the time. Had I been able to be around longer throughout the EoD, my vote would indeed have changed. That may not carry much weight though, as I understand it is easy to say that after the fact.

Honestly, anyone who was around at EoD, saw everything that happened and was said in the thread, and STILL voted LC is kind of suspish to me. Eventually it became very apparent what was going on, I think, after reading the roles. I won't say more than that.

I really enjoyed reading all the discussion and such, that was beautiful teamwork. And see, I should have just voted with SW. Swear to god, that's who I was thinking of when I posted that thing about people whose opinions I trust and respect. You know, with as much grief as you and ika get for "play style"... your nose is damn good girl. I'm shaking my head at myself for not just going with your nose. Wolf indeed.

Will finish catching up, but DAMN. Two lynches, each on a cylon? And this one didn't get Rezzed? I'm seriously curious about the mechanics of that. If it's as long as destroy 1 Rezz ship before the next lynch, or what.

Welcome Doc McWiggles!

My volunteer gig tonight got cancelled due to tornadoes. I am fine, but I've already lost power, and it just came back on (miracle!). So I still feel like I should vote in case I lose power again, because the storms are not even close to over for the evening. Spring in tornado alley... ain't it grand! Makes me wish I were a storm chaser. But alas, I am not, and must stay home with my frightened pooch instead.
I am going to vote my conscience, and go with LC. I encourage others to vote their conscience, and then hope we get a good outcome. Nutella's defenses read genuine to me, but what do I know? (Wait, maybe don't answer that?)

*Votes LC*

Again, sincere apologies if I am wrong, and I am open to amending my opinion on you after hearing more from you. Also, nothing personal.



Just before I leave, I'll leave the sortie schedule, Scotty is up next, if he needs a reminder.

May 11, 11:49 pm EST - Scotty
May 12, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 12, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 12, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 12, 11:49 pm EST - Bea
May 13, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 13, 11:49 am EST -
May 13, 5:49 pm EST -
May 13, 11:49 pm EST -

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

Long Con wrote:I hope to get more to you, indi and everyone else. Please don't vote for me, I am human and I'm a good guy. I just have to get some dinner ready right now and then take my son to hockey. I managed to speed-catch-up what happened while I was working, but I don't have any more time right now. We still have over 6 hours left in this lynch, and I will get back to it in... 3 hours.

Again, I'm not a baddie, please do not vote for me, and I disbelieve most of those anecdotes about evil jokes-that-were-hiding-baddie-plans stories, I don't remember that stuff. You think I would go ahead with a PLAN to delay the B2-sector by a shift or two?? Why?? No one died during that time. That's not dying time.

Nuts. I'll have to vote within 2 or 2.5 hours because I'm leaving then and won't be back in time. So it looks like I won't get to hear more from you before my own EoD. Sadness.

I want to say right now that if I am wrong about you, I am truly sorry for mis-reading you and misinterpreting your actions. Also, if I am right about you, and you are tricking me into doubting myself, well played you!

So I'm still not sure what to do, but still leaning more towards LC than nutella. Blergh.

Yeah, juliets, I don't think it'll be a problem. Just try again in an hour, you'll be good. Being in Central TZ myself, I also had to calculate it multiple times... I wish there were an easier way to write the schedule, like using a time chart or something.


@ LA - For me, my ping came from your earliest posts. You seemed (to me) to be awfully irritated and gruff with the whole thread situation, and made multiple posts in that mind set. Once I see someone post like that, it's hard for me to read them as civ, because being grumpy seems "bad" to me. (Just my annoyingly chipper personality maybe? I'm not sure where that comes from for me.) I can also understand a certain amount of irritation at what was going on (casting no stones, to be sure) but it is kind of akin to SD's posts coming on here and saying how confused she is. It's like... posting just to be posting, but not adding anything to the discussion - if that makes sense?

Beyond that, it boils down to the reads/pings/so forth on you that people whose opinions I currently trust and respect in the game have expressed. I know that may be shitty... but for the sake of transparency that's where I'm at. But I am definitely reading and trying to absorb your answers to them, because my mind is open and I don't want to make a mistake if I can help it.

Atm, I'd much rather vote LC over you, but I may be in the minority. And I may still go that way, if nothing else at least for FoS reasons, and to vote with my own conscience.

Does that make sense?


Bunch-o-linki, posting then reading

Vompatti wrote:Greetings comrades! Have we decided whom to vote for?

We decided on reverse alphabetical order.


Ok, I'm still hoping to hear more from LC before EoD... however, my EoD will come in 2.5-3 hours, and real EoD will be later than that, so I am resigned to realizing that I may not hear from him by my EoD.

I can also understand the nutella votes, and...

SW I agree with you that quick switch vote from Zeebs doesn't sit well. That was super weird, which is why I asked her why she voted so quick... but no response, so either she didn't see my question or something...

Ok, popping off for a bit. I'll be back.


May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 11, 11:49 pm EST - Scotty
May 12, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 12, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 12, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 12, 11:49 pm EST - Bea
May 13, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 13, 11:49 am EST -
May 13, 5:49 pm EST -
May 13, 11:49 pm EST -


A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6


Linki - Ok, bea, how about May 12, 11:49 pm? (And yes, your time calculation is accurate!) I'll tentatively add you to that slot.

Linki - Matt, Logic, FTW!

Linki - ok, got you too juliets!

@ JJJ - I think that's valid. Probably the same should hold true for our human/civ reads too. Open to the possibility of them turning traitorous due to Final 5 shenanigans or whatnot.

I suppose that's what you meant by not knowing for sure how to play this game. I felt the same entering Turf Wars, but then win cons were public knowledge.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One point I'd like to throw out there that lore-knowers can contest or not:

It strikes me as unlikely that the alignment of characters in the show will entirely define the alignment of characters in this game. We have a mechanic in place that reveals players' characters, as has happened with Epignosis. If there's a consistent correlation between show alignment and game alignment, then wouldn't this mechanic eventually break the game?

This could be a valid point. Especially since the Final 5 will not be lore based (to prevent us obviously knowing who they are). Certain things definitely seem lore based, but I agree that not everything can be, or obvious game would be obvious. And I'm not sure if an individual cylon's alignment would be one of those things. It's just that... Athena being bad would go so against everything in the show...

Or was that not what you were getting at?



@ G-Man, thanks, got you added to ye olde schedule. Also, I wondered where that term was coming from. lol Is Glor new to mafia? I do find it odd that someone who is not caught up at all could still come in and discuss game mechanics.



I think my top 2 are likely still nutella and LC, atm anyway.

Linkapalooza!

@ G-Man - Good notes, thanks for sharing those. I don't remember MM's playstyle at all (assuming we've played together much, which I don't remember either, how sad) so is this pretty typical for MM? Or is he usually a more serious player?

@ SVS - Yes, if it's ok, tomorrow 5:49am. I'll put you tentatively for the Fri AM slot too. (Unless someone else wants it real bad.)

May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 11, 11:49 pm EST - Scotty
May 12, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 12, 11:49 am EST -
May 12, 5:49 pm EST -
May 12, 11:49 pm EST -
May 13, 5:49 am EST - SVS

Re - Does it matter who sends in the sortie? I don't imagine it would have to be a non-cylon to have a successful sortie. Ont he show, there were Cylons involved in destroying the Rezz Hub, and other cylons. But SVS did do a boss job, and she said she can do most 5:49am calls... so she may end up doing quite a few!



@ Zeebs, are you not going to be around at EoD? So needed to vote now?



Oh linki~

The idea of a recruiting Cavil frightens me to no end. However, I would think, if we're going to think about that, maybe we should think about a recruiting D'Anna. Or a D'Anna who wants to get rid of certain other Cylons (like what happened the show). She kind of led another group of Cylons who disagreed with Cavil, no? Or maybe I'm remembering that wrong. I'll look into it further.

I hope that's not a thing, but maybe it is. Maybe it would be triggered by something... I have no idea. I just hope that's not a thing.


I think I already see some linki, so I'm gonna post and then read.

G-Man, I am also nervous of nutella, and of course, LC.

Is there anything specific on Metalmarsh that gives you pause?



As for sorties - at this point, knowing Rezz Ships are 1x1, I agree that each volunteer could simply reason it out in their own head which sector they'd like to hit. It would be nice if each one would explain their reasoning for hitting that sector, but other than that, I don't think we need to overthink it at this point, unless and until we find out more details about movement, etc. of Rezz Ships. If this is agreeable to everyone, which it seems to be.


Linki~ Postin' then readin'

Ok, last post before logging off (hopefully )


May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 11, 11:49 pm EST - Scotty
May 12, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 12, 11:49 am EST -
May 12, 5:49 pm EST -
May 12, 11:49 pm EST -

G-Man wrote:Another hour to go before the submission. Let's talk some more about it. Finishing sorting my notes and then I'll throw out some sector options. We'll talk lynch votes when I'm at lunch.

Saw this before I logged off. What about that lower left corner? It hasn't really been touched yet at all.

But at this point, I think it's just as likely a ship is stuffed somewhere in between other, already searched sectors.

Gee, that was helpful.


Linki w/Scotty - Ok, I'll mark you down. So far, Golden has replied to those questions with a shrug. So... LOL

I look forward to reading LC's further response to JJJ's post. As of now, I think that's probably where my vote would go.

And if anyone else has thoughts on the LC matter, I'd want to hear them. The more info and input the better, it would seem.


Also,

@ SD - I don't see myself as "directing" or "in charge of" the sorties at all. Since I'm not handing out any assignments, or telling anyone what to do. I'm just trying to keep an organized list of who is willing to do it at which time, and what sector they've called, along with the results of said sector. I guess I just took it on because I was here when it started, and there were so many of us talking about what we should do, and how we should do it... my brain goes straight to lists, graphs and schedules. If anyone would prefer I not do it, or do it differently, I would be down for that.


I have to run for a bit, but will be back.

Nicely done, Rico!

Updated list for today (if we don't get a volunteer for the 11:49pm I can take it) I also went ahead and plugged in SVS for the next 5:49am slot. If that's an issue we can change it:

May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 11, 11:49 pm EST -
May 12, 5:49 am EST - SVS
May 12, 11:49 am EST -
May 12, 5:49 pm EST -
May 12, 11:49 pm EST -


A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

@ Rico, you are up next for sortie - 5:49 am EST



May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico
May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 11, 11:49 pm EST -


A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

OA - thank you for your input. I always value "old school" players input. (No offense intended, I mean that as a compliment.) I am still trying to suss LC at this point myself, and I find I don't disagree with much of what you said. The whole jumping in thing of his is still a bit of a sticking point with me too. The timing of it is strange, especially since we hit a Rezz Ship. And also his defense of the action has seemed flip floppy. And really hoping others will also chime in with input. I guess I am flippy floppy on him for the moment too, just like I am with JJJ.

I do so much want to be inspired. (Read that in a southern belle's accent, since that's the way I said it.)

I am absorbing what has been said, and will continue to try to do so the best of my ability before vote time. I am going to log off for the night now, and hope that sleeping on it will prove helpful.

In my next post, I'll post the upcoming sortie schedule.

This is good discussion. I agree, sorties are scheduled for almost all day tomorrow, so shouldn't be much of a worry. We can now focus more on the lynch. I will attempt to make my last post for each evening or day the sortie schedule, so that the next sortie person (or any other player, really) can be aware of what's coming up next, and get a sub if necessary. That way it won't dominate any discussion.


I will continue stewing the names and reasons you have both mentioned so far. The only suck thing is that I won't be available a ton during the day tomorrow, but my addictive mafia nature will probably allow me to stay caught up anyway. I will double check the poll close time - I may have to vote a bit early as I may not be around at poll close. But by early I mean like 7 or 7:30 pm EST, not 10 in the morning.

I'm so super torn on JJJ. Sleeping on something like that sometimes helps me. If he's bad we need to be rid of him, but if he's good he could be a help, even if he seems to be functioning at 75% power. (No offense, of course.)



(Also, yes, the poll closes at 9:30 my time tomorrow. I may be home from my volunteer stuff by then, but I won't risk it. I'll vote before I leave, by 7 or 7:30 EST.)

Also, mega linki!!

Admiral Goldama, this is indiglo actual. Send Kat and Hot Dog to sector F5. Repeat, Kat and Hot Dog to sector F5. Do you copy? Over.



Make it so.

Ok, it is :45 after. I will do as juliets did...

Would everyone mind waiting 4 more minutes to post, so I can get the sortie out on time and not be bogged in linki?

Thank you so much!

Matt wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Forgive me, ship hunters, but there has been precious little said in terms of voting. I believe the guessing game is going to be solved eventually. The more pertinent concern is who needs to be lynched, and that is not as simple as creating a rota and a chart of coordinates.

K, but whoever ship hunts in 8 min, can you say F5?

You got it, dude! Locked and loaded over here.

You are not wrong Epi. We definitely need to discuss our lynch. I have been having so much fun thinking about how the mechanics work, etc, but our next lynch will come to head very soon, and hashing it out is better than not.

Are you gunning for an LC lynch? Or do you have another, more favored top candidate?

DrumBeats wrote:

indiglo wrote:Hey, Drums, you triggered another secret event! A Spoiler Tag / Quote malfunction! Hooray!

I did that before. I found it quite disconcerting. Someone will be along to clean it up shortly, I imagine.

This post actually reminded me of something I've been thinking about lately. For people that know the lore, what other things were important in the fight against the cylons that were evil in the show? The game seems to respond to what we say, so maybe if we keep saying these important ships/weapons/whathaveyou we can trigger more events like this to help us moving forward.

@ Matt, Rico, LC, Anybody else who knows lore

I have been thinking about this too.

For example, during the Cylon Civil War, the rebelling (pro-human) group of Cylons actually managed to help destroy the Rezz Hub. After that, no more Cylons could get rezzed. (OOOOOOH that'd be a good one to trigger.)

There is something relating to the Final 5 I've considered mentioning - regarding how they were triggered in the show. I'm wondering if I should mention it, to see if it gets triggered, or not. Does that make sense? Any thoughts?



Something else, and I want to hear more input on it. Look at our checkerboard for our sorties:

A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

Had we stuck to our original checkerboard pattern, B2 would have been called on our 4th sortie. But, after LC intervened, we only got around to it on our 6th sortie. Not only did he change the sector called, he also got us off the checkerboard pattern idea by insinuating it was manipulative. It clearly was not, and the suggestion delayed the destruction of the Rezz Ship by 2 sorties, or 12 hours. Any thoughts on that? Does it still seem like good-natured mischief?

Golden wrote:CONTEST TIME!!!

Your role cards tell you each a little about your character. What they don't tell you is - why did humanity invent the cylons in the first place?

You have all of day 2 to PM to me an explanation for why your character would invent a cylon, along with any key features of the cylon that they would create. At the end of that time, your submissions will be judged by a third party. A prize will be awarded to the winner! Have fun with it!

Also just wanted to remind everyone of this contest. I had forgotten about it until this very moment.

indiglo wrote:I don't see why we shouldn't send them there. I'm happy to do F5 in approximately 2.5 hours.



@ Scotty - Oh, yeah, as for a fleet to help us find the Rezz Ships. On the show, there was a pretty big fleet of vipers and pilots. Originally, for example, Lee Adama and Starbuck were 2 of the hot shots on the squadron. Kat and Hot Dog came in much later towards the end of the series. So I think only having Kat and Hot Dog do sorties is just a game mechanic, in order to not make it sooooo easy for us to find them, and for us to also have to run a pretty high risk if/when we do find the ships.

Linki, dang me, the first half was directed to Matt.

I don't see why we shouldn't send them there. I'm happy to do F5 in approximately 2.5 hours.



@ Scotty - Oh, yeah, as for a fleet to help us find the Rezz Ships. On the show, there was a pretty big fleet of vipers and pilots. Originally, for example, Lee Adama and Starbuck were 2 of the hot shots on the squadron. Kat and Hot Dog came in much later towards the end of the series. So I think only having Kat and Hot Dog do sorties is just a game mechanic, in order to not make it sooooo easy for us to find them, and for us to also have to run a pretty high risk if/when we do find the ships.

Hey, Drums, you triggered another secret event! A Spoiler Tag / Quote malfunction! Hooray!

I did that before. I found it quite disconcerting. Someone will be along to clean it up shortly, I imagine.

@ Scotty - yes, there are multiple Rezz Ships and a Rezz Hub in the lore. Due to the fact that I'm eating (some of the best pupusas my friend has ever made, I am so not even kidding, omg), and some general laziness, I'll share this link about the Resurrection Hub, rather than attempting to explain it in my own words.

http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Resurrection_Hub

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:Okay, I keep seeing this term and I have no clue what it means, so what is "linki"?

It means the person who says it thinks the person who posted immediately before is bad and should be voted for immediately.

Thanks!

You're welcome, buddy!

One severe mistreatment schedule, coming up!




Drums, please read juliets post above for the real answer.

That's all fair. And I can't find fault with it. (Maybe I'll try again later. )

Now go put your head back on.

And yes, please more talk about which sector to hit next! We have about 3.5 hours till sortie time.


Also... I am caught up! I feel like posting G-Man's meme, except for I hate that guy. (Matthew, not G-Man.)

juliets wrote:indiglo, would you repost the box and the people on the schedule in it's up to date form? I volunteered for a time tomorrow but I don't know if it made it on there. Hate to ask you to do it but I'm afraid I'll mess it up.

Totes! Also, if anyone notices any errors, please point them out.


>May 8, 11:47 pm EST - ika, A1
>May 9, 5:47 5:49 am EST - ika, A3
>May 9, 11:49 am EST - indiglo, A5 LC, D5
>May 9, 5:49 pm EST - Silverwolf, A5
>May 9, 11:49 pm EST - Marmot, E3
>May 10, 5:49 am EST - SVS, B2 - SUCCESS
>May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets, C3
>May 10, 5:49 pm EST - SW, F4

May 10, 11:49 pm EST - indiglo
May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico
May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 11, 5:49 pm EST - juliets
May 11, 11:49 pm EST -


A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

Golden wrote:Advance warning.

I will not be around that much today to answer questions etc. I'll pop in to answer as and when I can.

Also, the next night phase will be 48 hours. This is because my wife, who is quite patient with my mafia activities, is very unlikely to extend that patience to me running an end of night phase on her birthday (especially as it's one of those ones that ends with a zero). From time to time, phases may need to change in length for personal reasons. In cases where this happens, I will make the admirals revised jumping ability for that phase clear.

Enjoy the festivities! She is indeed a patient and most generous Lady Goldama.

Silverwolf wrote:F4

Man, watching you guys sortie the shit out of this game has warmed my heart. I mean really.

Polo wrote:I have a question.

We destroyed a Cylon Ress ship. Does this mean that:

a) The next Cylon killed is dead for good, but the next ones will keep resurrecting until all Ress ships are destroyed;
b) The next Cylon killed will be resurrected, and all Cylons will keep resurrecting until all Ress ships are destroyed;

?

I don't know for sure, and this may have already been answered. What an important post I'm making.

I would guess all Cylons continue to get rezzed until all Rezz Ships are gone, or the Rezz Hub is gone. As of right now, it seems like we're only hunting Rezz Ships. *Insert Elmer Fudd reference here*

Golden wrote:You have found and destroyed a resurrection ship in square B2. Hot Dog and Kat have returned alive.

FRAKKING AWESOME!!!!!

Ok, may already have been discussed...

How does everyone feel about continuing with the checkerboard pattern?

I had another thought about the Rezz Ships. What if they aren't actually anywhere. What if, in each sector, we have a X% chance of finding a Rezz Ship there, and it's just some dice that Golden roles for each sector? Does this seem reasonable, or like something Golden would do? Or do we still think they actually ARE somewhere, and we just happen to find them?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Oh well, If you say so. I must admit that your recent case of Nutella reminded you more of p50. Im not sure how I feel about you at the moment, but I will have to think about it for a while I think.

My suspicion of Inawordyes still lingers, and probably will too when he gets replaced. @Golden any luck?

You see? All I have to do is make a big post filled with words and spoiler bars.

Do you find anything I said about nutella to be agreeable? I'm also willing to call Inawordyes a suspect merely because inactivity was shown to be within his baddie repertoire in the scrimmage. It's hard to have much confidence in that though without any actual content to judge.

Ok, this was what I was waiting to get to. LOL I just made a short list of players I'm concerned about, and nutelLA was on it. But so far, I can't tell if she's just been grumpy and irritated at the sheer amount (and, let's be honest, content of) posts... or if she's nefarious. I have a hard time reading a grumpy person as civ, but that's my own bias.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

indiglo wrote:I am not currently comfortable with JJJ. And I believe there are several others who feel the same way. He has been missing several details, and that just doesn't seem like careful JJJ.

What are the "several details" I have missed, and why does my apparent carefulness or lack-thereof mean something to you?

indiglo wrote:I believe Epi mentioned the possibility of JJJ casting a vote to save Rico... I'm not sure how I feel about that. But I definitely felt like JJJ was holding his vote to see where others voted. Which, many times, points to mafia.

Yes, I was holding my vote to see where others voted. I only get to vote once in this game, and I waited until it was time. In games with changeable votes, it's quite common for me to place late votes in the exact same manner -- except it will be a moved vote instead of my first vote. When I am unable to coordinate vote movement, that means I have to judge the tally based upon exactly how it stands and then make the one call I think is best under the circumstances. That's what I did.

Details - off the top of my head, you missed SD's explanation of her randomized vote, for example. (I can do an ISO if you want any further detailes.) The lack of carefulness is just so different from your P50 performance. Remember, that was my first introduction to you, and you were beyond impressive. You saw everything, caught every detail, then pressed to understand the context and nuances of the situation when said detail happened. Then, I see you read a post and not even absorb an important, basic detail and comment on it. Do you see why that might catch my eye?

I have also read your further post about that not being a fair comparison (your P50 performance). So I would ask players who know you more, and have played with you more - are we seeing a typical JJJ civ-performance here in your opinions?

Re "holding your vote" - in all fairness, I play non-changeable votes the same way. For some reason it didn't sit right when you did it, and I think it's because you don't look like P50 here.

It's like going to a ball game, falling in love with the cheerful, yet goofy mascot, and then seeing him after the game in the parking lot... with the head of his costume off, out there by his car smoking, drinking, spitting and cursing. Ya know? That cracks me up, and it's not really that extreme, I just want to explain where I'm coming from here. Does that make sense?


Also, I truly apologize for the multi-posts guys. I'm getting close to finishing all my tabs, then there's just the thread to finish catching up on.

Scotty wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Post game it is fair game, but ongoing is not, imo. If you avoid mentioning it specifically, like say "I have see X do this when bad"; without saying where you saw it, that should be fine, though.

Ok.

I have seen Zebra appeal to meta in her hunts when bad. It only heightens my perception that her voting BR in Day 1 based on meta was a bit shoddy. It only heightens my perception that she might be bad.

Whatchu talkin bout, Willis? He was scheduled to go at that time, and picked a spot in the checkerboard pattern. Sounds like he did his job.

Unlike you, Premature Perry.

Vompatti wrote:I wouldn't mind covering them openings if you know what I mean.

:

Vompatti wrote:D12

Long Con wrote:

Vompatti wrote:It would help if we knew what shape the ship is.

I get that some of you are treating this as a game of Battleship, thinking that perhaps the ship is 4 squares long, and we need to hit it four times on those four adjacent squares to kill it. I get that, and that's why checkerboard.

I do not think it's Battleship. I think the rez ship is in one sector alone. I think this because... these are sectors of space!! Like, big. Imagine a ship that's the size of our solar system - that's the kind of thing I would imagine taking up four squares. It's insane! The ship is a large ship that resides in a super-exponentially larger sector of space.

And yes, this is a game and these quasi-'laws of reality' don't have to apply. If Golden wanted it to be a Battleship game, then it's cool despite grinding at my sense of scale and reality.

This...actually makes sense.

Makes me wonder if the checkerboard pattern starting from A1 was thunked up by a cylon that knows the ship isn't located in the underlined pattern, thus giving them more time to be invincible...

DrumBeats wrote:So Say We All!

So wait, we do not get to know the identity of those killed? That's going to be a pain moving forward.

Yes. Are you curious about whom you NK'd hmmmmmm?

I opened this in a tab to reply to, and now I can't remember why. I'm thinking maybe Scotty was quoting LC's longer explanation of his mischief?

I agree that the ship is likely to be in 1 square alone, especially now. (Duh) But we still can only search 1 sector at a time. With this new clarification, does the checkerboard pattern still grind your gears? No matter how we slice it, we can only do 1 sector at a time, and hope to get lucky and get Kat & Hot Dog back alive. (Like we did! )

Matt wrote:For those of you who don't believe there can be a mafia consisting solely of humans...

I can. Don't know who the other members would be, but I can see Zarek and Felix headlining a human Mafia group, for sure.

If we're strictly following lore from the show, I'm rethinking my stance on a cylon/mafia mix team. Why? Because Number One, John, hates all humans, all of 'em.

Rico, Long Con, indiglo - Theories on other humans who could possibly be on a Zarek/Felix mafia?

indiglo - If I've missed it, sorry, but can you give a short list of susses and/or players you're feeling good about?

Linki - Yeah LC, I agree. I know I was the lone voice against your idea, but once you pointed out that the saved person wouldn't be announced, then I thought "well then why wouldn't Dee do that then?"

AND even if ika was human, that does not clear him from being mafia IMO. There are 29 players in this game, well enough for two separate mafia teams.

Short list of people I feel good about atm (in no particular order, and I haven't pulled up the player list, just going off the top of my head) - SW, Matt, SVS, Drums, Rico, Epi...


A few people I'm not sure on, and/or concerned about, or however you want to word it (but I don't necessarily think they're bad, I'm just more concerned about these people, if that makes sense) in no particular order - nutella, SD, JJJ


I'm just spit balling here too, so once I'm caught up, I can sit down and look at the player list and do this again. I'm pretty sure I've left at least 1 name off each list due to memory.



Human mafia - wouldn't surprise me to find that Baltar has "different win cons" than other humans, if you will. Perhaps as someone else said, like an indy or such. I'll think more on this, but off the top of my head, I'd agree that I wouldn't expect there to be many. Zarek and Felix seem most likely, but again I'm happy to go down the role list and do a double check.

Matt wrote:

ObscureAllure wrote:

juliets wrote:

S~V~S wrote:When Epi was then lynched & revealed, in retrospect, I thought that maybe he WANTED to be lynched becasue he knew he would come back & be revealed a friendly Cylon

As of this point in time I believe Epi to be a town friendly cylon. I'm having difficulty with suspicions though. Nobody is standing out. I'm going to read nutella to see if I can buy JJJ's case. Besides JJJ with nutella has anyone else got a strong feeling about anyone? (OA I saw your suspicion of LC and someone else - I'm going into your posts to refresh myself on the "why" of your suspicions.)

I'm leaving my current suspicion in my pocket until much closer to the vote. Want to gather more evidence before I present my case.

That's odd.

1. If you present at least a little bit of your case now, perhaps others will agree and you can help convince town to lynch whomever you think is scum.

2. That's a bit unfair to your suss, yes? Not giving them any time for rebuttal?

As of who I'm looking at, I dunno. I admit I've been knee deep thinking about the mechanics of this game, and I was ready to pull the trigger on Ika today before he was destroyed over night.

Rico, Indi, Long Con (I keep referring to these three, but if anyone else knows the lore of the show, speak up and I'll include you in these little questions as well) - Do you think it's possible that Boomer's role power could include appearing as Athena upon death? I want want want to believe Epi is Athena and civ, but I know in the show, both Boomer and Athena pretended to be the other at different points, so I'm not ruling this out as a possibility.

Ugh, the brain gets wrapped in circles, doesn't it? I think, just going by lore, I'd have to say yes, that's possible. I'm not sure I think it's probable in this particular game. But Golden is recreating the show so perfectly, possible is possible, though not probable to my mind. (If that makes sense.)

So say we all! (Replying as I catch up, so that's just in case. I was trying to just open quotes in other tabs and wait till the end, but there's way too many tabs to do that, and now they're all out of order anyway, so blah.)

S~V~S wrote:Was this Drumbeats original pattern?

Well done SVS! And yes, good point. This was Drumbeats original, checkerboard pattern. And I think folks are also missing the fact that eventually ALL sectors will be searched, this was just a way to fan out and cover as much ground as possible quickly and efficiently. (Though I'm still open to other ideas.)

Are the people who hated Drums checkerboard plan due to fear of manipulation still feeling that way now? (This may already be answered in the thread, so apologies if it is, I'll get there.)

I will plan on D4 for my night time sortie, to continue that long diagonal, unless anyone has a problem with it.

I need to log off for now, but will be back popping in and out.

Nerolunar wrote:Well done Juliets And so say we all, I completely forgot ...

Im entertaining the idea that JJJ might be bad. He seems to strive to look P50, but it feels forced. Thats only tone though, I can barely remember anything he has said. Although that might be a point in itself. Im feeling good about Rico though.

What does everyone think of JJJ?

Linki -

I am not currently comfortable with JJJ. And I believe there are several others who feel the same way. He has been missing several details, and that just doesn't seem like careful JJJ.

I believe Epi mentioned the possibility of JJJ casting a vote to save Rico... I'm not sure how I feel about that. But I definitely felt like JJJ was holding his vote to see where others voted. Which, many times, points to mafia.

Silverwolf wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

indiglo wrote:

juliets wrote:Send sortie to C3

Good work!

Up next at 5:49pm EST we have no one scheduled. If anyone wants to cover it, feel free to speak up.

LC, would you like to take that timeslot? If you're unavailable I will do my best to cover it if no one else volunteers.

I can do it. It's good to have a name in there. What sector again? Checkerboard pattern?

Unless someone tells me differently I'll do F4 at the next time of 5:49 PM Eastern.

Awesome! I'm happy to take the 11:49pm EST today also. I'll set a reminder on my phone if I'm not already here. Thanks G-Man

>May 8, 11:47 pm EST - ika, A1
>May 9, 5:47 5:49 am EST - ika, A3
>May 9, 11:49 am EST - indiglo, A5 LC, D5
>May 9, 5:49 pm EST - Silverwolf, A5
>May 9, 11:49 pm EST - Marmot, E3
>May 10, 5:49 am EST - SVS, B2
>May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets, C3

May 10, 5:49 pm EST - SW, F4
May 10, 11:49 pm EST - indiglo
May 11, 5:49 am EST - Rico
May 11, 11:49 am EST - G-Man
May 11, 5:49 pm EST -
May 11, 11:49 pm EST -


A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6
B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6
C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
E1 E2 E3 E4 E5 E6
F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6

juliets wrote:Send sortie to C3

Good work!

Up next at 5:49pm EST we have no one scheduled. If anyone wants to cover it, feel free to speak up.

LC, would you like to take that timeslot? If you're unavailable I will do my best to cover it if no one else volunteers.

Long Con wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Long Con wrote:So say we all!

ObscureAllure wrote:SO SAY WE ALL (love ice cream)

Polo wrote:So Say We All.


So, Ricochet's face was on the top as well. Does this mean that he was voted to be NK'ed along with Ika?

Didn't Golden already say that the stories weren't to be taken at face value

LC: If you would have been online in time, would you have offered the next scheduled spot or picked one of your own?

The only way I would have done either of those things would be if I were convinced that neither Metalmarsh nor anyone else was there to do it on time... and I would have done the next scheduled square.

So, Metalmarsh went off the schedule and voted for E3 without notice. Indiglo, Scotty, Ricochet, sig, I am interested to know what you think of that, since the four of you lost your cool a little when I went off the expected plan.

Thank you early bird S~V~S for hitting up that 5:49am timeslot so awesomely. Who is up for 11:49, in exactly two and a half hours?

How I feel about Marmot's square choice should be patently obvious, after I told him "BOSS SORTIE SENDING MARMOT". It was awesome, and I loved his reasoning for choosing that sector. He was scheduled to cover a sortie, and he covered it perfectly.

The comparison of your reaction to my action compared to MM: you value WHO is doing it more than when or where.

I value not dicking around.

I value the teamwork we have created with our schedule. It allows us to see who is going to do what, and then analyze how they handle their volunteer assignment.

Also, you went rogue, and went totally OFF the checkerboard pattern. Marmot stayed on the checkerboard pattern.

It feels to me at this point you are doing this to provoke a reaction out of me. So this will likely be my final reply on the matter. If you, as you have now said, don't plan on dicking up our schedule again, it's a moot point anyway - which is why I haven't been harping on it. But you sure have. If you do dick up the schedule again, I will personally view it as a hostile act against the human race and will react accordingly.

juliets wrote:ok i see it i'll go to c3.

Hello!

You're scheduled for:

May 10, 11:49 am EST - juliets

So, if you can, post again in just a few minutes.

And sorry for posting so much around your sortie time. I just realized that.