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by Russtifinko
Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:27 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Hey, we got one! Good job, all. Well some, anyway.
Epignosis wrote:Most people aren't reading the thread. I'm telling you this. You and others create so many posts, they don't have the time to push through it all. I don't know why you think posting 600+ times by Day 6 is helpful to those of us who have to work, raise kids, cook dinner, and have interests other than Mafia.

That's 100+ posts a phase. And you're losing, if you're a civilian. Do you ever stop to imagine how you could be part of the problem?
I think all the posts make for a good mafia game but are rough from a real life perspective. Speaking of which, I really need to sleep. Going to bed, and will digest this result in the meantime. I do think Diane's point about sig is a good one, and I still have some trouble believing JJJ would be so supatown if he were bad. Or defend Mac so hard.

Linki: I think for Straw, if he were bad, voting Diiny would've been disastrous. Either flip just looks awful for him there. I think as a baddie, voting Mac or doing exactly what he did were the two safest of the 3 options. Which of those is in first probably depends on how smart he thinks we are.

Also, how does today's result make people feel about BR and Diiny?
by Russtifinko
Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:17 pm
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Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Well, I've convinced myself (with some help from Mac's behavior)....Mac
by Russtifinko
Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:07 pm
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Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 4] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

MacDougall wrote:
Matt F wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Floyd has been going through some shit. Let him figure out the game and learn how to play before you make him regret playing dude.
So you believe I should let him be?

Oh shit, I just came out from the clouds again. Sorry bro. :beer:

Anyway, I'm out for a few hours. I may check the thread out when I get home, if not, see ya all tomorrow!
Defensive when no need to be.

He's barely played on the first four days and making votes is about the easiest thing to imitate. He might be scum, but it'd be impossible to tell. Your reasons for thinking so are based on your own meta.

We should lynch sorsha today based on the fact that sorsha got unlynched yesterday and golden (who is basically confirmed town) was the other candidate along with rico who is apparently unlynchable today.

Sorsha is my vote.
MacDougall wrote:Nothing has happened to unmake her a scum but all other candidates from yesterday look town ergo I am inclined to believe she was saved by le scum making her mega scum like a megazord.
Mac starts off the day using the Duality System (TM). "So-and-so almost got lynched yesterday but someone else did instead, ergo so-and-so is bad." Many people have pointed out that this is an atrocious way to approach lynches. Doing something dumb =/= being scum, but JJJ, if Mac is anywhere near as good as you say he is, he's better than this.

Here is his first attempt at discrediting Golden, who was all but confirmed civ and now is confirmed civ. He also says he doesn't really care if Sorsha is bad, but oh wait, he still thinks she's bad.
MacDougall wrote:I think we really have to lynch sorsha. I feel like it's the key to breaking the game open today. She either flips scum and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail, or flips town and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail. Trusting Golden again seems like a nice way to get another townie killed. We've got a scum dead inside the first four days in a large game. We can afford a tactical lynch. Sorsha is a good lynch candidate for up front scum play as well as being the best possible lynch from a tactical perspective. Short of someone saying "I am scum" my vote won't be changing today.

Sorsha's play being scum is well documented, you only have to look at her recent posts to get a sense of posting nervously as scum playing poorly with a lynch on them tend to do.
Then...
MacDougall wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
bcornett24 wrote:
Sorsha wrote: Explain how me flipping civ is going to help anything?
How does flipping town help? What will it reveal?
That's what I'm asking him. What knowledge does he think he is going to be graced with when I flip town?
I would then look at everyone who tried to keep you lynched over golden in light of the fact that golden had been talking like scum were going to be damaged by lynching him. You town plus his lynch being scary equals your wagon yesterday is full of scum.

Or you are scum and then you look at people who had their votes on the other recipients.
He lays out his plan for D5 already. Again, not a 100% baddie thing, but a terrible way to approach lynches with a closed mind, and something he seems too smart to do as a civ.
MacDougall wrote:If I feel more pressured I can point out half a dozen other things that make it impossible for me to be scum, but for now suffice to say I think you're just overreacting to your possible lynch and jumping at shadows.
Impossible, eh? :huh:
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:voting macdougall.

Hey, MattF, I might try giving you a cogent Long Con sometime TokyoRose macaronic Map actually understand Valentine. OK?
Hey check it out. If everyone follows you today another townie gets lynched just like yesterday.
Second attempt at discrediting Golden, which seems like something a baddie would have a ton of interest in doing.

By the way, around this time the chaos posting has begun, and he's throwing out names more or less at random. He'll proceed to move his vote around a few times to stir things up. This was before I made my original case against him at the end of D4, so maybe I was giving myself too much credit there. It seems the weirdness was just a new play style. Regardless, the other points in here about what he's said still stand.
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:optimates sugarplum old macky is back!


MacDougall wrote:Your scum radar sucks and you should post less unless you want the town to lose.
thellama73 wrote:Golden once again blew me away with his civilian play. That guy is epic.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Golden was SPOT ON about everything. I tried so hard to convince him and everyone else...
HamburgerBoy 5939358]Most of the actual IDs were thanks to the rest of the players, especially golden8 who blew holes in both enemy factions on first try.
Before talking about my scum radar, perhaps misclassified should Dusty Spoon to know me.
:clap: Congratulations man. Truly a mafia master.
Tries to discredit Golden for a third time. I didn't notice this on D4, but Golden posted the video above, "Mack the Knife". Predictably, about a bad guy named Mac.
MacDougall wrote:Ok sorry I was a little bit drunk and it maybe magnified my assholishness a bit.

Matt I have had minor pings on you for a few days but it's always been countered by genuine townie reactions. I felt like if I started going random ape shit at you you scum stuff could fall out. Your reaction has been quite genuine so I'm not really @ u m8.

The sorsha lynch bothers me. But with so few alternatives it must have scum on it and I really doubt scum would consider bussing another teammate so it puts me in two minds is all.

I will revisit some more players throughout the day while my boss isn't looking at me hahaha.

I know my change of behaviour comes across as bizarre but it is what it is.
seaside wrote:What does everyone think of jjj, diiny and espers?
Ok I must still be drunk.
I know he was chaos posting at this point, but the above post read genuine to me. At the beginning of Day, he was absolutely convinced Sorsha was bad. Now suddenly he has doubts? Could it be distancing himself from a bad result?
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
Black Rock wrote:Something about Sorshas posts just read genuine to me. I'll be surprised if she flips bad.
I uninured agree. I unwarmed don't me in charge buddy! be very surprised.
I agree with golden. He is the best townie in the world after all.
Tries to discredit Golden for a FOURTH time! Again, something ONLY a baddie would have any interest in doing whatsoever.
MacDougall wrote:Image
And finally, say what you will, but this is just overdramatic and contrived.

Linki: And now Mac is coming at Epi with the most ridiculous theory of the game (and that is saying something). He intentionally missed a PM because he knew he'd be blocked? Silly.
by Russtifinko
Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:43 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

seaside wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
seaside wrote:you know the rules of this game
I didn't even know until now that the rules of this game are relevant to what you're saying. I don't have X-ray vision into your head.
you are better than this, don't tell me that you have been making this multi paragraph responses to people and you havent considered something so obvious.
was it you who i saw earlier who said something about 'the evidence we have in this thread' like that is all we should be going off here? we gotta have some trust, if you don't think i'm scum, why not try a little trust?
What game is seaside even playing? I don't understand at all, and I don't like these riddles.
Choutas wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gonna GTH the whole mafia team without thinking about it a ton (can't at work):

Black Rock
Diiny
Choutas
motel room
Metalmarsh89
Russtifinko (I know this contradicts my prior thing, oh well)
I was OK for five days and five nights straight and now I'm mafia without a single post as to why I am one.

JJJ you're trippin' seriously you just jumped from a green to neutral read what the heck.
:srsnod:

Yeah, me too. What gives, bro?
Epignosis wrote:"There's no alternate bandwagon, so Mac must be good. Let's make an alternate bandwagon"

:rolleyes:
:haha:
by Russtifinko
Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:40 pm
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Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Choutas wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
Epignosis wrote: WHY do you think I'm a serial killer?
Just a meta thing. Every single game I've seen with you, you go after people HARD. When you're civ it's because you feel like the righteous right hand of a vengeful god bent on bringing destruction to evildoers, and when you're bad it's because you have the confidence of someone with a team backing them up. I'm not seeing that level of confident Epi right now.

Plus Mac is after you hard for being the SK, and I think he might be evil. You said yourself that baddies have the biggest incentive to get the SK out, so it makes sense.

Linki: Yeah, I do think that's rare. Opportunistic bussing is way more common.

If Mac turns out to be bad, then Russ' theory could be true. I agree that Epi has been less confident this game. He himself said he was being more "observant". But didn't Epi go after Mac as being the SK first and try to get him lynched for that? I don;t think that would be smart move on Epi's part b/c he wold be untrusted once Mac was proved to not be the SK.

And now I will vote Mac. His responses to the accusations against him continue to ping me.
No. I think MacDougall is a co-conspirator with Long Con. I don't think serial killers can be caught in the first half of a game outside of luck, so I don't bother hunting them until Mafia are eliminated.
This actually makes a lot of sense. We definitely have more chances of lynching a mafia over the rogue. A case of a possible scum is more likely to be true than a theory of someone being a rogue so they should take precedence.
linki: McBaddie the kangaroo rider who chases crime.
Hence me not actively promoting Epi as a lynch candidate. SKs, as he himself pointed out, are there to balance in the civs' favor. I think that even if he is the SK, he's worth keeping around for a bit. He has every reason to hunt baddies with us, if not more reason.

Elo, thanks for your input on Epi's style this game. I find it very informative. Did Epi go after Mac as the SK? I don't remember. Will have to read back to check. Or if you could point me to where, that would be lovely. However,
Epignosis wrote:Third, there was no mention of a Psycho Killer kill at all in the host post Night 5, meaning there was no attempt made at all.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Matt F wrote:HOSTS - If the Mafia or Serial Killer is prevented from making a kill for whatever reason, do you still show their kill attempt in the Night Post? If the Mafia or Serial Killer simply don't make an attempt, do you completely ignore them in the Night Post?

Thank you
Yes to both questions.
I had forgotten completely that no SK kill attempt was posted last night. Meaning Mac taunting Epi for missing his kill is likely contrived. Meaning my that part of my theory about Epi is stupid. :disappoint:

I feel even worse about Mac for this, and better about Epi.

Linki: Ok, repost of Mac's D4 behavior incoming....
by Russtifinko
Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:33 pm
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Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Wow, votes are moving around. Hmmm.

I'd still slightly prefer a BR vote, but I'm also less convinced than before that JJJ is right about Mac.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I imagine the mafia team views Mac as easily lynchable. Might have even drugged him.

I think some people are suspicious of him because of his [deliberately] volatile behavior, and are morphing the evidence to convince themselves it's more than a gut read.

I think other people are probably capitalizing on his style. Maybe Epi, since he seems to be interested in a contest of testicle mass as much as pursuing an actual case.
JJJ, you're partly correct. I'm suspicious because of his behavior, but not because of what He's been doing the past two D/N cycles. He was playing completely normal (compared to other players - not his meta, which I know nothing about) until the end of D4, at which point he said a number of things (will pull upon request) that read extremely scummy to me. Basically any of his posts at that time seem awful to me, so pick a few to read. I came after him, and he's been chaos posting since. It's not the chaos posting that gets me, it's the D4 posts and then the sudden style change when I brought it up.

You saying he always plays like this has been staying my hand on it, because I don't see any reason whatsoever for you to play how you have as a baddie. I'd really appreciate it if you could reread his stuff specifically at the end of that Day and let me know, isolated from the rest of his content, what you thoughts are on it.
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:39 pm
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Epignosis wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Placeholder on BR for now. Could be convinced to go with Mac today, or, to a lesser extent, Epi.
Don't wait to be convinced by others to vote for me. If you want to lynch me, convince others to do it.

And prepare for the consequences if you prove successful.
Thing is, I think you're more likely the SK than a baddie, and thus not worth going after for the moment. I also think we have really strong baddie leads to pursue first.

Also, you are much better at arguing than me, and until there's more natural head support I feel that going after you hard would end up with me dead and you laughing. :blush:
WHY do you think I'm a serial killer?
Just a meta thing. Every single game I've seen with you, you go after people HARD. When you're civ it's because you feel like the righteous right hand of a vengeful god bent on bringing destruction to evildoers, and when you're bad it's because you have the confidence of someone with a team backing them up. I'm not seeing that level of confident Epi right now.

Plus Mac is after you hard for being the SK, and I think he might be evil. You said yourself that baddies have the biggest incentive to get the SK out, so it makes sense.

Linki: Yeah, I do think that's rare. Opportunistic bussing is way more common.
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:24 pm
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Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

motel room wrote:These elaborate scum bussing strategies that are being put forward, are they common here on the Syndicate? Because while they can happen over on RYM the most common scum strategy is just lay low pretty much. Bussing is rarely organised and generally just a self-preservation technique.

So reading all of this about how Long Con set up this big ol bus seems so far fetched to me. Remembering back to the day he was lynched, he was a contender but not the contender. I'm fairly sure that my return vote on him put him back in the lead and I know I did that from a genuine suspicion of him so I can't really get behind any of these "strategy" scenarios. He may have wanted out and told teammates not to fight it too hard but I really doubt it was a planned bus. My two cents, for the guy who is pretty sure Mac is scum cos of that idea. I still think mac is town.


Black Rock is the next major lynch contender, what's the deal there?
motel, bussing here happens reasonably often, I'd say. Baddie teams are given much more credit for organization during games than they are due, in my experience. However, it's not at all unusual for a baddie to hop off of a teammate's sinking ship, so to speak, by throwing said ship under the bus. Is that too many transportation metaphors?

Where I'm at is this: My personal read of Mac is somewhat scummy, but with JJJ and Choutas, who both know him well, believing in him, I have trouble going after him too hard. And before Day 4 I would've been confident enough he was civ to defend him outright.
Epignosis wrote:Bussing strategies here are as common as unnecessarily used adverbs. And they have some things in common.
Epi used this adverb hypocritically. Confirmed scum. :P


So the SK didn't try to kill at all last Night, correct?
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:10 pm
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Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Epignosis wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Placeholder on BR for now. Could be convinced to go with Mac today, or, to a lesser extent, Epi.
Don't wait to be convinced by others to vote for me. If you want to lynch me, convince others to do it.

And prepare for the consequences if you prove successful.
Thing is, I think you're more likely the SK than a baddie, and thus not worth going after for the moment. I also think we have really strong baddie leads to pursue first.

Also, you are much better at arguing than me, and until there's more natural head support I feel that going after you hard would end up with me dead and you laughing. :blush:
seaside wrote:yeah i made a mistake with that one particular quote, but despite that, the chances are 50/50 that you are scum. i'm not liking how you are trying to undermine my theory and say it doesn't make sense in my head. it makes perfect sense to me. just because i can't explain it, doesn't mean it isn't well thought out and solid.
What???
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:39 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Ricochet wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Rico, I apologize sincerely for this, man, but I cannot read your megaposts at all. I'm plenty worn out from sheer thread volume to be trying to read that. I'm sure you have good points, but I see them and my eyes unfocus and everything looks all blurry. Would you including a helpful td:lr? Thanks in advance.
It's alright. I'm mad...and that's a fact. :workit:

Essentially, I think we've been on a course the past Days in which not only our lynches have turned out civ, but our second wagons have turned out civ as well, which to me is a sign that we may be on a road to nowhere. So I'm proposing to look into what I pointed out are the extremes of interactions between LC and players and the other way around: the players who criticised him the most, the players who have BOTD'd him and I'd even add the players who kept the most mum about him .

I've so far analysed sig, motel room and Mac in the first category and pointed out neither of them look very good, considering they've suspected LC with, and this is important, quick reactions to the bea case he put forward, yet never pulled the trigger on him, except some on Day 2 (sig, motel - not Mac, though).

I believe Mac is a baddie because what I initially though was pretty solid questioning of LC on D1 looks, upon revision, to be quite shallow (and he departed from that train completely, too), his D2 approval of the LC lynch, in sync with it catching fire, but without ever finalizing that with a vote, looks like sideline cheering and since then he's fully endorsed the "let's lynch LC defenders", the trend that I mentioned above to have given us no good results, casting votes on Golden and Sorsha. There are also questionable stances he made, throughout the game, on lynching seaside, lynching Sorsha and dedicating a day to focus on the SK.

His relationship with LC and viceversa was always antagonistic, with several moments that could cast him in a genuine spot, but given all the above, it makes me strongly consider it to have been very strong distancing.
Ok, thanks Rico. That was much better to read haha. Very interesting, because I'm more and more convinced Mac is bad, but was basically writing off his LC interactions.

I'll have to look into sig and motel room more, as well. They fit the bill as RYMers I've been ignoring, who haven't posted much lately. Based on your post (I haven't read back yet) it sounds like they had negative interactions with LC but weren't fully on board with offing him.
Matt F wrote: Russ - I have no idea on Epignosis' alignment. When I said the "so Epig is SK and you're mafia or is it vice versa?", I was basically just trying to tell Mac that I believe he is a killer somehow, someway. As for the Dr Wilgy stuff, I'm not going to go into it, because MP would be madz as hell and I don't wanna be punished. However, I will say, if Dr Wilgy is baddie, what he's done with me, Mac, and apparently Floyd and Fuzz, would be wicked scheming on his part to try and get us all into some kind of battle royal with each other.
Ok, thanks. I thought you were saying they were BOTH killers, and that something deeper was going on here that I couldn't see.
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:07 pm
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Placeholder on BR for now. Could be convinced to go with Mac today, or, to a lesser extent, Epi.
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:06 pm
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Only responses to 4 things to go! Holy shit.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Elohcin wrote:How many players are in RYM games normally?
15-22 or so. This is the biggest game in RYM mafia history.
Hooray for records!
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Football is about to happen, and the undefeated Cincinnati Bengals are more important than this headache. BBL. :P
You like Swedish women AND the Bengals? Are we the same person?? :faint:
Choutas wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Mac, Matt, Fuzz and Floyd, who did you target last night?

We had a fail kill and no psycho killer. Chances are one of y'all intervined, possibly in both, and y'all should know how. JJJ you should know as well.

I will explain everything as soon as I'm back from the renaissance festival.

JJJ, no beef, got much love for ya.
MacDougall wrote:It should be rather obvious who I would target Wilgy...
DrWilgy wrote:Does that count? As far as I'm concerned you could be lying.

You stating who you targeted is not 100% truth. Nor is it revealed by any role powers, simply actions that happened over tge course of the night. MODS HELP.
DrWilgy wrote:
MacDougall wrote:How did missing your night kill make you feel?
Mac, how sure of this are you?

Floyd, Fuzz, or Matt, did epi miss a night kill?
MacDougall wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
MacDougall wrote:How did missing your night kill make you feel?
Mac, how sure of this are you?

Floyd, Fuzz, or Matt, did epi miss a night kill?
I am very sure.
This is mafia interaction calling it. Mac and Wilgy are in this together :eye: It wouldn't surprise me if all four are a mafia team. TheProfessional had done something similar on rym(the nation game?)
Choutas, can you clarify? I agree that the whole interaction is very weird and makes little sense. You're saying Mac, Wilgy, Floyd, Fuzz, and Matt are all bad, and they're subtly dropping info into the thread because they somehow know Epi is the SK, and want to get the thread onto him instead of themselves?

Again, I'm just not sure how or why that would happen, just trying to get clarification on what people's thoughts on this are.
Choutas wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Elohcin wrote:How many players are in RYM games normally?
15-22 or so. This is the biggest game in RYM mafia history.
This game needs at least half an hour every day to catch up. It began with 34 players and 48 hours dayphases. There's just too much stuff to process and it's so much that I can't seem to get anything by it. The vocal players are hidden between thousands upon thousands of words. Seriously let's go back to the old days people.
To reiterate: :srsnod:

Whew! With that I am caught up. Sorry again for the multiposts.
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 4:01 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

seaside wrote:i still believe either jjj, espers or diiny is scum. i guess espers is the one i least suspect now.
espers actually was dead and confirmed civ when you wrote this.
Matt F wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
MacDougall wrote:How did missing your night kill make you feel?
Mac, how sure of this are you?

Floyd, Fuzz, or Matt, did epi miss a night kill?
I am very sure.
So Epi's the SK, and you're on the Mafia? Or is it the other way around?

Wilgy, why are you asking people to info dump when MP JUST asked you to not ask people to info dump? :eye:

Matt F, I am confused on the entire figuring out who missed a kill thing. Can you clarify why this makes one of Mac and Epi the SK and the other a baddie? I mean I like it in theory, because it jives with my suspicions, but I don't see the connection.
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:58 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Rico, I apologize sincerely for this, man, but I cannot read your megaposts at all. I'm plenty worn out from sheer thread volume to be trying to read that. I'm sure you have good points, but I see them and my eyes unfocus and everything looks all blurry. Would you including a helpful td:lr? Thanks in advance.
MacDougall wrote:Haven't put much thought into who the SK is tbh but if we have everyone on board tracking the SK this could be fun. You could trust almost all the scum hunting done since the Mafia won't actually need to bullshit about who they think is the SK! Can trust almost everything at face value.

Day 5 - Hunt for Psycho Killer.

Let's look at some ISO's and start with people who have mentioned the psycho killer role. Rogue's love talking about their role.

From there we can look at interractions with the people SK has killed.
I hadn't noticed this post before. Thanks to Strawhenge for bringing it up. Definitely suspicious to want to spend an entire day dedicated to SK-hunting, and to suggest doing so with spurious evidence. What SK has in-depth interactions with their future victims? Easiest way to get caught.
MacDougall wrote:I don't see anything wrong with Black Rock actually. It would be easy for me to just agree here but nothing she is saying is pinging me at all.

I actually think Russ's posts are more likely to be a scum trying to avoid a town lynch.

Am I missing something about Black Rock?
MacDougall wrote:I agree with Epi. Both these posts read like Russ making excuses for not lynching a teammate.
Why are you criticizing me for not voting Black Rock at exactly that moment, but saying yourself that you don't plan to do so today at all?

Read into it what you will. I was irl angry with fingersplints and it affected my behavior adversely. I apologize for issues I may have caused in thread. You may of course take what I said as clever positioning, but I was just upset.

If it makes you feel any better about me trying to get away from a Black Rock lynch, you and she are my biggest suspects at this point.
Matt F wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I don't see anything wrong with Black Rock actually. It would be easy for me to just agree here but nothing she is saying is pinging me at all.
Why say that in the underline? Are you letting the thread know how civvie you are because you could've easily agreed on a (in your opinion) bogus case against Black Rock, but instead, chose to go the noble route and actually give your true opinion?
:srsnod: It's probably confirmation bias, but I like this point, Matt. I am completely down for either a Mac or BR lynch today.

Linki: omg Mac haha. Idk what to say to that gif...
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:50 pm
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Choutas said this game takes a half hour a day to catch up on...I dunno in what world that is true. I've now spent over 2 hours each of the past 3 days. That won't be sustainable for me going into the work week.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:A number of RYMers have fallen off quite a bit after decently fast starts:

Diiny
seaside
motel room
Strawhenge

even Choutas and bcornett24 to a lesser degree.

Please find it in yourselves to pick it up guys. I know it's a huge thread, but that doesn't prevent you from playing. Even if you can't catch up, just go from here without worrying about that. It's better than the alternative that RDW and espers chose.
To me, this kind of ties in with the "RYMers getting less attention than they deserve".
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:I don't have much time until my phone dies. Each vote amount increased the red. Most red means most common civvie voter.
The thing I'm taking away from it right now is the order of the votes more than the number of them. There seems to be some consistency about when players have made their errant votes. For example, bcornett and Choutas both appear to have voted relatively early, while Diiny voted late (among people in the orange pile). Mafia can obviously vote whenever they must, but it is at least tougher to manipulate a lynch earlier than it is later.

I'll have to review the tallies thoroughly when time permits to get more from it.
Personally, I don't put a ton of stock in generalities about when votes are placed. Not to say there's nothing to be gained from it: a key vote in a lynch, or a specific early or late vote, can be alignment-indicative. However, people have their own play styles and schedules independent of their team. I, for example, almost always vote late in every game I've played, due partly to schedule and largely to play style. I don't think someone placing a vote early or late is conclusive one way or another.

I do see your point about lynch manipulation. I just wouldn't consider a general comment like "Player X votes early" as evidence unless it was icing on the cake of a much more convincing, post-based argument.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Can I please get some feedback on this? I'm inclined to read bcornett24 as town with this in mind, but I am not interested in kicking back in my seat and trusting in my own stupid read for the whole game. Tell me what you think.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:ISO for bcornett24:

*snip*
Spoiler: show
bcornett24 wrote:I've read/skimmed through page 35, based on what I have read thus far, I really don't like Golden and JJJs argument, they both seem to see each other as scum, maybe that is because they both are scum. But i suppose this would have to mean that LC was bussed by both of them? If this is the case I think JJJ and golden would really be able to wreck the town if both happened to be scum.

I don't like Jays sudden mentioning of RDW being presently absent, it is honestly terrifying. Both in the fact that RDW is watching quietly and that this felt like an attempt to change the direction of the conversation away from golden and him.

Is there a specific thing that Sorsha did to deserve all of this attention? (I'm currently in the process of reading pages 18-28 and 36-40).
Here's a post that I think can be helpful in getting a more concrete read on Brian. I've highlighted the important content that makes me think so. You'll note that he suggests both Golden and I might have BUSSED Long Con. This is important because it is a statement of the impossible. Golden cannot have bussed LC because Golden defended LC -- indeed he resisted me heavily when I moved against LC. So how does this reflect on Brian?

If he's mafia, then he obviously knows full well that Golden did not bus Long Con (assuming we're all right about Golden's civilian role). That cannot have happened because Golden and LC were not team mates. This means that Brian would have been intentionally fudging the facts in this post as a way of throwing shade on Golden and me.

I have my doubts.

I think this is more likely: Brian is a townie who was tasked with catching up in this monstrous thread, in the aftermath of the drama generated between Golden and I. In his earnest attempt to figure out what to make of that, he made a mental/observational error by associating Golden with the anti-LC crowd (of which I was a part) and and then tinfoiled about the possibility of a JJJ/Golden scum team.

I honestly think the mafia/not-mafia portion of reading Brian can be decided with solid clarity based on this single point. I would encourage everyone to review what I've said here and state your perspective on the matter.

~~~

I'm going to stop there for now. I'll continue the review later if I deem it necessary. I'd like to hear people's takes on the pink-highlighted point first.
Thanks for this clarification, JJJ. I hadn't responded because I didn't understand your point at first. While I do think it's a possibility a baddie would mess up who his team was early in the game, I agree with you that it's by far the least likely scenario of the three you brought up.
by Russtifinko
Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:13 pm
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

fingersplints wrote:When I want maturity lessons, Russ, I will get them from someone who isn't such a hypocrite. Your posts are so contradictory it would be funny if I wasn't so angry.

I've asked to be modkilled. Shit like this isn't fun to read and not worth my time. Vote russ[/u] you may say I am crying about how others aren't playing the game right but I've never said anything if the sort just that I don't like being ignored and it's rude to completely ignore replacements. Cause it is. You on the other hand have made it out that I'm not playing right by not posting more or mentioning every other player. i haven't attacked every player who has suspected me. I'm pretty sure I suspected BR first before she even mentioned me. Remember I was "making a mountain out of a molehill" about her Roxy comments. Keep defending BR though. Hopefully more of your teammates follow your bad play and you can lead us to them.


Starting with this, since it seems like the biggest deal. fingers, I apologize. I was (am) angry at you and handled it poorly. I have felt that you have consistently criticized others' method of playing the game and been unnecessarily confrontational. I've probably done those things to you since, so maybe you're not off on the hypocritical thing.

On that note, I'm going to decline to interact with fingersplints going forward unless it's absolutely necessary. Not because of any ill will toward you, just because I don't want to cause further issues.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:28 pm
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

EBWOP: Suspicious AS the next guy, not of.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:28 pm
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Re: [DAY 6] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Total waste, espers. You could have at least tried to bait a kill.
You're right. There's absolutely no way that he could have survived a kill at all.

Epignosis
??

I mean, I find Epi suspicious of the next guy. Could you please clarify what the above exchange means, though?

And Straw, why are you suddenly back and posting a bunch? Mind reminding me why you were gone?

Taking the rest of the night off. See you folks tomorrow.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:25 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

fingersplints wrote:I don't think it's fair to say I am not saying anything else russ. I have pointed out a possible other connection, to BR but I'd rather make sure she is bad first. I also asked about the golden/Bullz thing. It doesn't even seem like you are reading my posts to know what you are talking about.
I'm reading your posts. It's just really hard for me to take you seriously. You have exactly one point to make so far in the game since you replaced in. Anyone who disagrees with you, you immediately attack with accusations of being bad and also with jabs about not playing right or not paying attention to you. I am reading your posts, as I'll show below, but you're continually playing the "Poor me, nobody reads my posts or says hi or follows my proposed lynch trains! You all are dumbdumbs and you don't play mafia my way, which is the only right way! WAAAAH! LOVE MEEEEEEE!" card.

Here's what you can do to make me feel better:

1)offer one, single, thread-supported read on any player in the entire game that isn't based on how that player feels about you, Roxy, or BR.

2) Be more mature. Stop saying that people are playing wrong or not reading you just because they don't agree with you. You haven't given us any good reason whatsoever to agree with you, and even if you had mafia is a game based on observation, instinct, and guesswork. Reading you =/= coming to all the same conclusions with you, but you're acting like it does.
fingersplints wrote:I'm not sure what Russ is expecting out of my post wise and it's a bit unfair as he isn't holding himself or anyone else to the same criteria. He is talking about mostly the same people as I am,and not making mention of the vast majority of the players, but I'm tunnelling. It honestly just feels like he is reiterating what others already said :shrug2:
My apologies. I reread all 25 of your posts. You have mentioned Epi, Elo, and JJJ once each, none of which I realized. To be fair to me, you offered unsupported, weak civ reads of Elo and JJJ, and you said one specific thing Epi did, did not make him look suspicious to you. A Ctrl+F of "Roxy" in your post history gives 33 hits, and searching "BR" and "Black Rock" yields a combined 26.

By contrast, I've talked about seaside, espers (RIP, by the way. Looks like I was wrong about you.), bcornett, BR, Epi, and you, all since Night 5 started. What standard do I have for you that I'm not holding others to?


I was going to vote BR now that espers is dead, but fingersplints has convinced me not to. I still might, if I find at day's end that my own reasons are good enough to. Until fingers does the 2 things I pointed out above, I will be ignoring anything she says. It seems to bother her, so maybe it'll induce her to play for real.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:02 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Yeah, it looks like my read on BR converges somewhat with JJJ's. Thanks for pointing out her role in Devin's death; I hadn't thought much about it though it's obvious in hindsight.

I do think making reads and then backing off by saying she made them to get people in thread is suspicious at best, utter BS at worst.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:58 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

MacDougall wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:

Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.
Matt F wrote:I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.
If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?
seaside wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
seaside wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
seaside wrote:lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?
Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.
are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?
If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on? :shrug:
i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?
As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?

I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.
Russ read gud.

He was in the middle of hypothesising. The sentence is speculative. :disappoint:
Sure, but the hypothesizing doesn't make sense. We now know Devin was good, so if espers is too then it makes literally no difference to Drugs whether espers or Devin goes, so we can get absolutely nothing from an analysis of what they'd have done. The only way any part of seaside's post is helpful is if espers is bad, and yet seaside is unwilling or unable to look at that hypothetical.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:54 pm
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Re: [DAY 3] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

BR replaced in Day 2.
Black Rock wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll explain what it is:

We'll run down the list of living players together (I'll shout out the names two at a time) and everyone including me will offer a ONE WORD read on that player WITH NO "NEUTRAL" ALLOWED.

The only legal words are "GOOD" or "BAD". Nothing else is acceptable.
Sounds like fun, I can't participate because I leave soon and also my opinion wouldn't be educated anyways. I already have good feelings on a couple of players though.

It is going to make extra pages though, but easy for me to get through so I approve. :p
Refuses to play JJJ's game. Has to leave soon and has no reads, which might be fair. I do think the game is designed to catch baddies though, so naturally a baddie wouldn't want in.

D4 she softly defends Floyd. Then she makes this post, where she says Epi and I stood out to her based on the LC lynch. (This is important further down.) Epi later confronts her on not really bringing up any specific points, and she says she was using the post to bait both of us out to get better reads on us. (Also important later.)

Then on D4 she votes Devin "because she thinks Sorsha is good", with no other reason given at all. I get wanting your vote to be meaningful, but you should never vote for someone if you don't suspect them yourself, just because someone else seems town to you. Weak.

The next day, fingersplints comes after BR for going after Roxy, and she says once again that she was throwing shade to get a player into the thread so she could interact with them and get a read. Since this is her second time saying so, and since she never actually asked to talk to any of the people she threw shade at during those posts, this sounds like a really convenient way to be able to make unsupported reads and then back off if she takes any heat whatsoever.

Then she posts this...
Black Rock wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I must say I am increasingly suspicious of Black Rock, and I'll tell you why.

Her husband got lynched and was bad, yet she's missing votes and coming in here talking about Roxy being the serial killer. She lives with LC. She has heard him speak in real life all the time, knows his tone, has witnessed his ruses, and should have a solidi(ish) view of what he would do or would not. I'm just seeing no effort on that front, and if Black Rock is civilian, then I think her involvement would be more valuable than it is.
I subbed in near the end of LC's lynch and I had no idea what was going on the game. He's dead. What would you like me to, tell you if he sounded bad before he was lynched? He's bad, he was lynched and we were told so. I don't really understand this at all.
BR had already brought up Epi and me in regard to LC's lynch, although she didn't mention specifics. BR, yeah, LC is dead and was bad. That's exactly why your input is valuable here! How does baddie LC play? Does he ignore teammates, bus them, stage arguments and back off, read them as town, what?? Is there anything in his play whatsoever that gives you any indication of the alignment of anyone in the game?


To be honest, having read BR back, she doesn't look good. Sure, she's been busy and the thread is huge and I get that. To me though, all of this looks like a player making a very concerted and conscious effort to not make any reads or do anything that could be traced back to her.

I think that all 3 (Roxy, fingers, and BR) have been at best unhelpful and narrowly focused during the game. Roxy only wants Matt F dead and is not participating otherwise. fingers only wants Roxy alive and BR dead and is not saying anything else currently. And BR kinda sorta thinks Roxy is bad but won't take a stance on anything else for the life of her.

Linki: Tough call. I would have read him as supatown early in the game. I thought he looked TERRIBLE at the end of D4, and would have been ready to try to get the lynch train rolling if you hadn't said those types of posts were normal for him. It seems like other felt the same way as you, because no one seemed to think my D4 analysis of him had much merit, so I've let it be. He's doing MM-style chaos posts lately, which really tells us nothing. Elo doesn't like it, I find it amusing but uninformative.

So long story short, my JJJ-exempted read is slightly to moderately bad. In a super time-dependent way, though. He looks mostly good to me besides the end of Day 4, and at the end of Day 4 he looks the baddiest of the bad.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:20 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Oh! And sorry for the multipost. I forgot this:

Side note: I usually have a couple of biggish blocks of time to mafia per day, if I'm lucky, but limited ability to hop on and off. I read through and reply to everything interesting I see in my catch up. So if my thoughts appear disjointed, that's why. Hope it's not making m thought trains too hard to follow.
Matt F wrote:I think Floyd needs to be looked at pronto. This deal with him "being gone" for several days after being suspected and saying some very odd things...I don't like it.
If he's gone for 3-4 days, won't he just be modkilled for inactivity anyway?
seaside wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
seaside wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
seaside wrote:lol i just realised it is already night....
i made those last posts without realising that devin had already been lynched.

can drugs be used on only one person? or can scum use it on more than one person?
Drugs can use his power once every even night. I think that's a reasonable assumption.
are we assuming drugs also voted for the person the next day?
If you were Drugs, would you vote for the player you tossed two extra votes on? :shrug:
i have been absent throughout yesterday, so i don't know how the votes went onto both espers and devin in real time
but say for example if jjj was drugs, he voted early, gave drugs to devin the night before. then realised that it was going to be close, he could either change his vote to ensure that devin gets lynched, making it look suss with the late vote change
or he could of just left it on, knowing that espers getting lynched on a cointoss would also work for scum. or he could of communicated with his scum mates to jump onto devin to make the numbers?
As to the bolded, seaside, you're acting like you KNOW espers is civ here. Why?

I think him posting yesterday, presumably to avoid a modkill, makes him looks way worse, personally. I'll probably vote him again if he isn't modkilled.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:18 pm
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Re: [DAY 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

fingersplints wrote: Perhaps the reasons why the civvies keep losing is because they keep listening to the same leaders. Perhaps they should try following someone else for a change.

I'm a bit surprised Russ doesn't remember something that happened in his games, especially since I feel it was kind of important. I remember exact specifics of all my game. Like my first contest I ever hosted in 2011 was won by manu for a poem titled "my life as a princess" :lol: idk maybe he really doesn't remember, but maybe he doesn't want to see how similar my game is to there. Idk just thinking. He seems kinda rational about his thoughts so he is on my undecided list for now.
Really? I remember basically nothing about game I've played previously, unless someone jogs my memory. And I confess to only skimming the thread in Economics. :blush:

I think you're throwing shade here because I asked you for some input other than "Roxy is good, BR is bad", and you don't want to give it. However, since you are so confident in your BR read, I'll at least read her back and see what I come up with. I haven't read JJJ's iso on her yet, so I'll check to see if my read matches his.

Linki: Can't tell if Mac is serious...like, ever. If you really feel bullied, I'm sorry. I've found you fun to have in thread for the most part so far.

Also, I'm not touching the Elo/Mac thing for a bit. It's becoming reminiscent of Roxy/MattF, and I don't do drama.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:08 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

MacDougall wrote:I believe I have uncovered the truth.

You are all just antisocial to new players to your forum.
Choutas wrote:I find it hilarious that the syndicators are doing their best to lynch other syndicators(at least until day 4) and rymers are doing their best to lynch syndicators too. It's only after the Macdougall controversy that suspicions started piling onto some rymers. Perhaps we're looking at the wrong forum. Isn't Metalmarsh rymer emeritus no?
You're scum bro?
Why the movember smilie is thellama73 smilie? :confused2:
These points, taken together, are interesting to me. I know a lot of players (myself included) use meta to trying degrees to make their reads of others. Playing with half the players as new definitely hampers that strategy. I for one have hesitated a bit on reading RYMers, and I've been relying somewhat on RYMers' meta reads on each other (like JJJ on Mac, for example) to supplement the thread evidence I'm seeing. It's possible, with RYMers and Syndicateers both going after Syndicateers, that RYMers are getting a bit too much of a pass/civvie cred.
by Russtifinko
Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:31 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Epignosis wrote:At some point, bcornett24 needs to be held responsible for all the shitty lynches he's voted in early. :suspish:
This is actually a decent point. I think there is at least one better lynch candidate out thee, given my neutral to town read of his content, but I'll keep him in mind.
Choutas wrote: I have been having very clear indications that strawhenge/sig/epignosis/rico are scum. By scum I mean scum of the earth. Thugs of the lowest order that need to be exterminated in order for both of our factions to have a decent chance to win this game.
What makes you say those four specifically? Forgive me if I've been missing something, but I haven't noticed you going after any of them yet. Suddenly they're all confirmed bad?
Epignosis wrote:None of the people I've called out for being bad have been lynched yet. 3J says town should trust one another despite misgivings.

I haven't been trusted once. Pick one of these: bcornett24, MacDougall, Black Rock, Russtifinko, and Ricochet...

...and lynch one.
Rico is back on your list! Why?? And why still only 5 baddies, on a team that potentially has 6 left? Where did your other 5th person from before go? (Sorry but I forget who it was.) Most importantly, why are you randomly throwing names around with no cases, no prodding, no goading us into reactions?
Matt F wrote:MacD - I suggested HamburgerBoy because he was killed N1, and there have been no civvie night kills in the entire game.

It's possible if the civvie ninja fails, MP doesn't even mention it, but I'm inclined to believe that if the civvie ninja kill failed, it would say as such in the Night post (i.e. kind of how SK's second NK on Night 4 didn't go through).

Epignosis - I like MacD or Rico. I think Rico knows that I know a player can't literally make a host mod-kill someone, so him saying that to me makes me wary.
I believe MP confirmed that failed NKs are written into the host post, so this is a theory of yours I actually agree with.

Linki: I was using repetition too! Repetition was viewed by the Greeks and Romans as a very effective way to make a point, particularly when used in 3s. It was also seen as giving sentences a nice symmetry.
by Russtifinko
Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:24 pm
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Epignosis wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Not sure what Russ tried to mention with the Bioshock reference, considering that he said Devin was SK?! What kind of alliance was that? How can you have a long term, civ-inclined, alliance with an SK? How can his alignment back then be indicative of his civvieness here?
It's complicated. I was Mafia that got recruited by a civilian, betrayed my entire team, with all of them but one dying in one Night, my civilian master turned last man standing, and then I got recruited by somebody else.

Good times.
Yeah, I thought that point might be confusing. Tried to word it as best I could, but I guess it didn't work. Sorry. I was trying to say Devin was acting like he was allied with all of us, barring a select few.
Epignosis wrote:Also, I just want to say you guys misuse the term "WIFOM" a lot a lot. It doesn't mean lying or misleading someone.
You overuse a lot a lot a lot. :p
MacDougall wrote:Maybe this means that the lead vote getter was this person;

Girlfriend Is Better – Because of its hypnotizing, persuasive big suit, it cannot be lynched. However, if it is targeted at night with a power, it has a 50% chance of affecting another randomly selected civilian as well.

So second place vote getter goes instead?
No, lynches are not Night powers.

I thought you were anti far-fetched theories?
by Russtifinko
Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:24 pm
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RIP Devin.

espers....Avoids being modkilled by checking in, only to say that he doesn't care about the game and wants to be out anyway (and that's not counting his punishment of saying "I deserve to die". Probably forces us to use another lynch to get him, Super lame, and probably a baddie indicator.
by Russtifinko
Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:35 pm
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Re: [DAY 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Russ, if the phase ended in 25 seconds and your vote was certain to secure the final kill, where would your vote go?
You posted this while I was trapped in linki, right? In case you missed it, espers. Although my mouse hand would be twitching about possibly going for Epi, as well.

Linki: Diiny, that sentence of espers' is bad because the conclusion doesn't follow from the fact. Someone being wrong once, especially in mafia, is a stupid reason to discount everything they ever say in the future.
by Russtifinko
Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:31 pm
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Re: [DAY 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

MacDougall wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I know that. Don't you find it weird that he would just have two browser tabs open on the home page of the site? Like, who does that?
Oh, I didn't see the other arrow until I opened the full image.

That tab also says "View Topic", meaning he is reading one of the many forum topics on this site, possibly even another page in this thread. But also note he has a mysterious second window open.
Fantasy football on Yahoo, if you must know.
Double Linki: hmmm, your llama point is an interesting one. I had been pretty much dismissing the bussing theory of LC, because it seems dumb to sacrifice a player AND give up a NK as a baddie, no matter how much cred you'd get. Your point actually makes me feel LESS sure she's bad, even though for you it apparently makes her look more bad.
No, that's not what I said. Splints and Llama have both pinged me individually. The fact that Llama was on the lynchwagon that day but LC got lynched does still make me feel likely Splints isn't a likely scum, but if Splints is scum, it does mean that LC was probably a bus job. I'm not saying that LC getting lynched makes Splints scummy and I'm not sure where you got that from. :suspish:
Yeah, I misworded what i meant slightly. I think we agree that llama's position in that lynch makes fingers look better. However, you seem to think the bussing theory is still somewhat likely, whereas I think it's at best a remote possibility.
by Russtifinko
Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:08 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I know that. Don't you find it weird that he would just have two browser tabs open on the home page of the site? Like, who does that?
Oh, I didn't see the other arrow until I opened the full image.

That tab also says "View Topic", meaning he is reading one of the many forum topics on this site, possibly even another page in this thread. But also note he has a mysterious second window open.
Fantasy football on Yahoo, if you must know.
Ewww! ESPN is far superior.

Other thoughts:

I am shocked that someone (Mac) is managing to troll the thread harder than MM. I don't know whether to be exasperated or congratulate you.

I'm seeing a town Devin, even more today than previously. His playful posting reminds me of when I had BTSC with him in Bioshock. He was an SK, but we worked out an alliance, so we were aligned, and he was basically acting like this. He's basically acting like he's aligned with most of the thread to me, which would indicate civ. I dunno if that makes sense to anyone else, and hopefully it doesn't compound his problems, but I see it as a positive sign for him this game.

Linki: So yesterday all over again, except with unlimited choices? I would be so nervous haha. I'll say espers. Definitely not Devin, at this point.

Double Linki: hmmm, your llama point is an interesting one. I had been pretty much dismissing the bussing theory of LC, because it seems dumb to sacrifice a player AND give up a NK as a baddie, no matter how much cred you'd get. Your point actually makes me feel LESS sure she's bad, even though for you it apparently makes her look more bad.

JJJ, I hosted that game, but I honestly don't remember. And idk how long fingers and BR have known each other, so idk if it's an Epi-reading-Elo-type, always right kinda thing, or a one-off, game-specific, contextual one. Sorry, but I have no input on the Econ mafia point.
by Russtifinko
Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:57 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [NIGHT 4] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

RadicalFuzz wrote:J3 do you find town boring?

Splints the first engagement I had in thread was someone trying to insinuate that I was Mafia. I'm not going to pity you for biting off more than you can chew when you signed up to be a sub or for nobody answerinf a question you asked once. Don't just ask once then get annoyed, ask again, ask until everyone gets so sick of seeing the question that they answer it just to make you stop.
Epi did this earlier and it worked.
fingersplints wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
Matt F wrote:Before anyone else mentions it, yes, I've voted to lynch a civvie four days in a row now. :ninja:

Sorry town
It's not so much that you've voted for 4 civvies in 4 days that bothers me, personally. I don't really love that everyone you've voted for is dead, but it is still only 2 people so it's not totally damning yet.

I think your Mac theory is completely cockamamie, and I HATE cockamamie theories, as Syndicate players know. However, I think a baddie you would be foolish to pursue it so forcefully and for so long (over 5 pages). I finished reading that exchange and found myself leaning more civ on you than before.

Also, for the record, I don't know Roxy the best, but all her posts have read absolutely classic Roxy to me. The devil-may-care, I-play-my-game-and-no-one-can-stop-me attitude, the tunneling on Matt F, and just general tone seem normal to me.

I suppose I get fingersplints defending her, but as far as I can recall, defending her is literally the only thing fingers has done all game. That looks increasingly shady to me as interesting things happen in thread.
this is as much investment you are going to get out of me. I joined into the game late and in an impossible to catch up spot but was positive. Very nice of me. Then I was largely ignored. No one welcomed me. No one even tried to give me a summary I asked for. No one answered my question if there was a silencer. sorry if you guys wanted more out of me should have interacted with me sooner.

If you read through my posts I defended her and then people questioned my defense of her. It's not me who only wants to bring up Rox but if you are all going to keep questioning it then I'm forced to respond to it
I deserve to die because I missed a vote
fingers, I'm sorry you didn't feel included. If I'd have been more active when you joined, I'd have welcomed you.

Not posting any reads besides "Roxy is good, everyone who accuses her is bad." creates a vicious cycle, though. People will suspect you for not giving reads, and apparently being asked to defend/explain yourself makes you less willing to contribute new content.

Play the game how you want so it's fun for you. I'm not saying you need to even read half of what's been posted. But it would be super duper cool if you could read even just a player or two and tell me and others what you think about them. It'll help us catch baddies, and probably be more fun than just defending yourself about your Roxy read for days on end.
by Russtifinko
Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:51 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

RadicalFuzz wrote:I don't know how the RYM forum handles nested quotes, but a lot of the "wall of text" syndrome that's been going on this game has been from people continually quoting each other without properly snipping the quotes. To be fair, sometimes the relevant posts are far back in the quote chain, but it gets ridiculous, especially on mobile.
Yeah, some people at the Syndicate view all quote-snipping as suspicious. I think it's just common sense if you have one tiny thing in a big big post you need to talk about.
by Russtifinko
Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:25 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Elohcin wrote:I did it! I caught up!
Epignosis wrote:
I'm up against people I don't know shit about dude. I don't agree that I've been gentler and cuddlier, though. I'd say observant. :)
This is what I see, an observant Epi. Not a bad or SK Epi.

All that said, I am voting Mac. His reaction to all this SK stuff reads to me like a child who got caught stealing candy from the pantry and he's blaming it on his brother.
Maternal mafia instincts engage!
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:I know, right?!?

(P.S. I've got a girlfriend, who's Swedish (than that?). So I might be biased.
You're a lucky man. :phew:
I've seen her. He's not that lucky.











KIDDING RUSS! She's a sweet gal. I got to talk to her a good deal. She's here right now, matter of fact.
















KIDDING AGAIN!
:haha: OMG I love Joking Epi.
RadicalFuzz wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
RadicalFuzz wrote:
Epignosis wrote:So my Mafia include Mac, bcornett24, Russtifinko, Black Rock and espers to round it out.
Why aren't I in your Mafia list?
Who are you?
The person who notices that you only list 5 Mafia to "round it out" when supposedly listing the entire remaining Mafia. A team of 7, one being killed, should make 6. But you, for some inexplicable reason, think that there are 5 Mafia remaining.
Also, why isn't Rico on your list any more?
by Russtifinko
Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:24 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I very much dislike influencing the game in any way whatsoever, but I feel as though I should clarify regarding 2 recent topics:

1) At some point, Floyd did ask me for advice regarding posting and I indeed advised him against spamming the thread. I don't recall using the number 4, but maybe there was a miscommunication somewhere or I'm having a brain lapse (completely possible). I'm personally not against multiple posts in a row if those posts are meaningful. Nonetheless, there will be no punishments doled out even for people spamming the thread with off-topic. I have no official position on this matter.

2) Regarding Russtifinko, I have been trying my best to warn folks via PM if they get close to the 72-hour mark, but only for first infractions. Thereafter, I have nonetheless on a few occasions tried reaching out to players (such as RDW) who have been absent for longer than that period.

Neither of these situations is dependent on either player's alignment, so I would advise against reading into them as such. I hate that I even have to weigh in here, but I feel as though I should.
What'd I do? I'm here! :shrug:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One observation FZ made that I think is of special interest was when she noted Epi was not being confrontational. He is known around here for really taking his suspects to task, sometimes to the point of absurdity, and that hasn't happened here. There's potential that his restrained approach has been motivated by his understanding that rattling cages would work directly against the SK win condition.
:srsnod:

...and this. Sorry guys, JJJ said more interesting stuff than I thought. Also, I had a block of time and figured I'd do a thorough catch-up. Don't mean to spam you all.

(Honestly though I don't find this Epi-Mac discussion to be super valuable, so I don't feel awful interrupting it.)

For now I'm throwing a vote on espers. As someone else pointed out, he's basically like recent Diiny, except all game, and he's been after me for no reason, which I don't like. I would not be opposed to lynching him, but I think it's unlikely for today. I probably will switch before Day's end. Possibly to Mac, who I'm thinking about a lot, or maybe to Epi or fingers.

Oh! And before I forget, to Metalmarsh: I can show you the text I got from MP, timestamped, if you want and I'm allowed. Why would I bother making up that MP contacted me instead of just saying "sorry I'm late, guys" and leaving it at that, if I really rejoined because of baddie BTSC?

Linki: Yeah, that's fair. Is that really all she's done? I'll have to read her back. As you've said in previous games, overaggressively pursuing serial killers is often a baddie tactic.
by Russtifinko
Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:17 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
Replies: 9232
Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 5] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Bullzeye wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have no interest in lynching Matt F. I am inclined to think he is incorrect about Mac, but I don't think he has malicious intent.
Same. Matt practically always comes out with the most ridiculous conspiracies and follows them until his dying breath, but it doesn't make him bad. If anything I think he does it more when he's a civ.
Reposting this because I meant to include it in my "Responses to JJJ" post.
by Russtifinko
Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:15 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 3] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Responses to things JJJ has said:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:So JJJ, for you, where does Mac's content today weigh in, in comparison to what you discussed in this quote? Has it changed your opinion, and if so to what degree?

JJJ how was your Sweden trip, by the way?
I haven't reviewed his newest content in depth yet, but on the surface I really haven't been bothered. Mac is a very capable anti-town player (one of the best on RYM if you ask me), and he entered this stage of the game generally being trusted by most people. I think he is probably goofing around for the sake of reactions and entertaining himself, something that is not unbelievable in terms of meta. When time permits I'll check more closely into his recent play.

My immediate assumption is that he is being misread by people who either don't know how he acts or are off-put by his treatment of them specifically.

Sweden was super cool thanks! So many attractive women, I couldn't turn a corner without falling in love. :faint:
I know, right?!?

(P.S. I've got a girlfriend, who's Swedish (than that?). So I might be biased.


On the Mac thing, I don't know where I stand anymore. At the end of Day 4 and beginning of last night I thought he looked the baddest of the bad. You sticking up for him gives me major pause, though. I don't buy Matt's theory at all, and the content Mac posted during the exchange makes me less suspicious of him. However, Choutas does have a point that he seemed real flustered by it. He was definitely chaos posting, but I can't tell whether it was for fun or a smokescreen to hide baddie frustration. And all of this after I had a strong civ read on him going into yesterday. I'd say at this point my logical side says probably civ for Mac, but my gut is churning and would say bad.


JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Diiny wrote:yeah, this isn't informed but I don't want to get penalised. Golden because he's obviously scum guys
Diiny, you're a demanding townie. You expect things out of people and try to get things from them when at first they don't supply them. This voting methodology is so... timid. Even if you hadn't managed to catch up with the entire game, you have had plenty of time as an active contributor to get some kind of feeling at least on Devin and Sorsha. You failed to place a relevant vote in a very important spot and that I really don't think town Diiny lets that happen.
I don't know Diiny, but I agree that this was weak. Even if it did hilariously remind me of Marshawn Lynch.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
espers wrote:voting sorsha

don't like some of the later votes on the devin wagon and straw's sorsha case was pretty compelling /piggybacking

no slight against the ppl defending sorsha, but you were wrong about lc, why should we believe you now?
At least one of the people defending Sorsha was also anti-LC (hi), and I think it was probably more than just me. espers this post is pretty bad, what is the purpose of this vague attempt at casting doubt upon all of these people for something that isn't even accurate?
To be fair, the few times espers has posted he's been throwing shade at me, and I'm in that group. Not really sure why.

Linki: Epi, are you saying you think a civvie BR would be able to piece together who a baddie LC's teammates were based on reading his posts and interacting with him irl?
by Russtifinko
Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:08 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
Replies: 9232
Views: 291294

Re: [NIGHT 4] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Matt F wrote:Before anyone else mentions it, yes, I've voted to lynch a civvie four days in a row now. :ninja:

Sorry town
It's not so much that you've voted for 4 civvies in 4 days that bothers me, personally. I don't really love that everyone you've voted for is dead, but it is still only 2 people so it's not totally damning yet.

I think your Mac theory is completely cockamamie, and I HATE cockamamie theories, as Syndicate players know. However, I think a baddie you would be foolish to pursue it so forcefully and for so long (over 5 pages). I finished reading that exchange and found myself leaning more civ on you than before.

Also, for the record, I don't know Roxy the best, but all her posts have read absolutely classic Roxy to me. The devil-may-care, I-play-my-game-and-no-one-can-stop-me attitude, the tunneling on Matt F, and just general tone seem normal to me.

I suppose I get fingersplints defending her, but as far as I can recall, defending her is literally the only thing fingers has done all game. That looks increasingly shady to me as interesting things happen in thread.
by Russtifinko
Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:02 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
Replies: 9232
Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 4] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

My promised read on bcornett, including his most recent rainbow list for reference.

I'll start off by saying he has fewer posts but possibly more meaningful content than I expected. So that's good. Generally I have good feels about him, whereas before my gun-to-head gut read would've been slightly bad. That's probably an exposure effect from him being mentioned so much.

Brian, a couple questions on this rainbow list. You came out hard on Days 2-3 against Golden and JJJ specifically. Obviously Golden became a town read, and I think for obvious reasons. I would've figured JJJ to be in your "Likely Scum" pile, though. Did something happen to change your mind there?

In a similar vein, you made a fairly large case on Diiny Day 4, but have him neutral here. Again, did something change? Just trying to follow your thought process.

I can see your point on Devin. I know I'm not on his team, and I cast the final vote, so I don't think it was a save, but I don't expect others to just take my word for it and I'm not sure how to prove it. For what it's worth, I know him irl and he reads as genuine to me, so right now I'm inclined to believe we just all had it wrong yesterday. It sucks, but it does happen.
bcornett24 wrote:Updated Rainbow

Analyzed* - I have completed an analysis of this player or have actively followed their content.

Likely Town
Golden*
Elohcin


Possibly Town
Epignosis
Matt F
seaside
sig
Roxy*


Neutral/Unknown
espers
Black Rock*
fingersplints
Strawhenge
Diiny*
TheFloyd73
Metalmarsh89
RadicalFuzz
Russtifinko*
rundontwalk*


Possibly Scum
Sorsha*
Choutas
JaggedJimmyJay*
Ricochet
motel room
DrWilgy*


Likely Scum
Bullzeye
MacDougall*
Devin the Omniscient*


Bullzeye will be the next person that I examine followed by Elohcin.

I will remind people that these are my impressions from skimming through a large amount of content and can and will likely change.
by Russtifinko
Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:17 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
Replies: 9232
Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 3] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Hmm, so looking back through my tabs of "stuff to respond to", it was really the Mac stuff that stood out to me. I also intend to read bcornett in his entirety - not that I suspect him at this point, just feel like I need a read.

So JJJ, for you, where does Mac's content today weigh in, in comparison to what you discussed in this quote? Has it changed your opinion, and if so to what degree?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Actually I can get it.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Relationship between MacDougall and Long Con:
Spoiler: show
MacDougall wrote:
Long Con wrote:Bea has opinions about who is Civvie, but none about who is bad. A Mafia member knows every Civvie out there, so can proclaim their trust with confidence. I think bea is Mafia, and I'm going to put my vote on her for now.

*votes bea*
This post set off scumdar pretty bad. It reads tactical, mindful ... I don't like it. No other posts in Long Con's ISO trouble me. It just seems like a nervous first major action.
MacAttack right off the bat. Good look, not just because it's anti-LC but because this is the kind of thing that helped to force LC to pretend it was ruse.

Here we have MacDougall and LC literally discussing the Nothing but Flowers role in the thread.

Mac brought the role up, and LC couldn't resist the urge to comment. Do I think two mafia team mates were chatting the day away about one of their own roles publicly in the thread? I absolutely don't. Towniest look of any analysis I've done so far, congratulations Mac.
Spoiler: show
MacDougall wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Two players I'm considering voting for so far:
Mac:
I don't like Mac going for seaside for the simple fact that he doesn't want him in the game. Seaside came in day one voicing suspicion of Mac so this just seems like a delayed no u/omgus. Long Con made a couple good points earlier about some things Mac said yesterday late in the lynch also. (If I wasn't on my phone I'd go back and get the quote) Mac was also on HBs rainbow list in yellow so I could see Mac trying to take him out before HB had more of a chance to look closer at him.
Straw:
Based on his posts from the night I believe he might also be trying to set seaside up for the HB kill.

Going to put my vote on Mac for the time being.
I don't want him in the game because he's either scum or because he's disruptive to the scum hunt. He's the best lynch candidate for the day. Explain to me how that's not valid?

His suspicion of me was nothing tbh. I barely even considered it at the time let alone now.

I don't think Long Con's points were good. Pretty sure you'll agree when you ACTUALLY READ THEM.

Also I have no idea what the fuck you mean by the last bit? Setting him up for the kill? He's going to get lynched, why would anyone bother doing that?

Lynching seaside is a no brainer at this point. Most votes, most people interracted with so it leaves the best crumbs. Most people seem to harbour some doubt about him.

What's your read of seaside?
Mac may have taken a long break, but he returned to Mafia in old form. :clap:
Spoiler: show
Long Con wrote:I'm used to an unchangeable vote mentality for the most part. I'll put a vote on Macdougal for the reasons I gave earlier.
LC responded to Mac's aggression with an OMGUS vote. It's possible that this was all a designed cooperative bus, but... I don't think it was.

~~~

Mac looks like a townie and y'all should do what he says.
Linki: To be fair, I got off work at 5pm today, so nothing I did was going to get you lynched over Sorsha or Devin. Too many votes cast that weren't changing. And I say darn a lot. Call me old-fashioned. I also say dagnabbit. I draw the line at gee willikers, though.

JJJ how was your Sweden trip, by the way?
by Russtifinko
Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:08 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [NIGHT 4] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Linki: Well damn. RIP Sorsha.
by Russtifinko
Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:07 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 4] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

So before my recent catch-up read I was with JJJ in thinking Macdougall looked to be one of towniest aroundiest. After today I'm not so sure, though...
MacDougall wrote:I think we really have to lynch sorsha. I feel like it's the key to breaking the game open today. She either flips scum and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail, or flips town and leaves behind a tasty breadcrumb trail. Trusting Golden again seems like a nice way to get another townie killed. We've got a scum dead inside the first four days in a large game. We can afford a tactical lynch. Sorsha is a good lynch candidate for up front scum play as well as being the best possible lynch from a tactical perspective. Short of someone saying "I am scum" my vote won't be changing today.

Sorsha's play being scum is well documented, you only have to look at her recent posts to get a sense of posting nervously as scum playing poorly with a lynch on them tend to do.

DrWilgy... Are you tunneling me because I said you were scum in that Jimmy's game? Oh my God, u suck brah.
Others have pointed this out (Epi and Sorsha that I remember), but I think it was a good point: lynching a civ and getting lots of info is NOT preferable to lynching a baddie, even if you get little to no info. I know Macdougall clarified his thoughts after this, but it still sounds funny to me.

There's this....
motel room wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I'm actually unvoting sorsha and changing my vote to MattF. Something about him is not what it seems my friends. And I aim to get to the bottom of it.
I don't get why you've switched from Sorsha, at one point saying you wont switch for anything less than someone saying "i am scum", to Matt F because of a few "pings". This is a significant bandwagon.
And finally, this post sounds like baddie bitter about Golden being outed.
MacDougall wrote:
Golden wrote:
Black Rock wrote:Something about Sorshas posts just read genuine to me. I'll be surprised if she flips bad.
I uninured agree. I unwarmed don't me in charge buddy! be very surprised.
I agree with golden. He is the best townie in the world after all.
I feel pretty darn bad about Mac now. Probably too late for today, but very worth a look tomorrow.
by Russtifinko
Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:59 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 4] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Epignosis wrote:FOURTH time.
Epignosis wrote:Third time raising this, because I don't see anyone answering.

For those of you voting Sorsha, does this post make you think she is a Long Con teammate or does it strike you as a genuine interaction?
Sorsha wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Sorsha wrote:RIPIYWG guys :(

Long Con can you explain why you chose bea and what your ideal outcome would have been yesterday?
I chose bea because I saw the opportunity to make the case I did based on the things she had said. She's a good target for this kind of thing, because unlike Epig or Golden or Llama, she's less likely to take an accusation like that and run with it until it's a big polarized head-to-head between me and my accused. My ideal outcome would have been for someone from The Syndicate to take my points and agree with them and vote for bea, revealing themselves as someone willing to go along with a case because it looks good on the surface. Following this, a baddie lynch, led by me, as I humbly accept cheering Civvie accolades. Alternate ideal: bea actually is a baddie and scumslips in some way in response to the accusation.
This just seems really idealistic but not very realistic. I think you’d just have easily lynched a civ with that tactic. Its easy to say that bwt didn’t look suspicious after we know he was town but his behavior during the last lynch (flip flopping between sig and bea and then back again). I’m wondering why you wouldn’t have found him suspicious for following your lead on bea. I know you said you didn't think he was suspicious because he found his own reason but, if you hadn't of posted your case on bea I doubt he'd have looked at her.
More realistic: it develops some conversation where I get some pings from people and keep them in mind as the game progresses. However, despite opinions that it was a convincing argument, it ended up being too clumsy, and most of the conversation was about me instead, which was less helpful. It could still bear fruit, as the lynches go on - when we end up lynching a baddie, I'll be checking up on their response, if any, to the situation. Maybe someone who accused me of being bad will end up being bad, which will necessitate a second look at bea.
Time will tell I guess.
Meh? I don't see this one exchange as super indicative either way, to be honest.

I feel like you want a certain response here. What is it?

Linki: Is Baneslayer insanified for penis? :haha: Just kidding, Golden.
by Russtifinko
Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:46 pm
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Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 4] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Oh geez, the lynch time moved up. Thought I had until midnight. I've been on Sorsha since Day 2, seems silly not to vote her when she might actually be lynched.

Voting now so I don't miss, posting after. (It might be mega.) Sorsha.

Linki: espers agrees with me? Of all people?
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 10, 2015 11:45 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 3] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

What'd I say? Being accused by Epi is a death knell. Rico's leading in votes and I'm tied for second. He's playing you guys.


I had even less time than I hoped today, and I hoped for relatively little. Voting Sorsha based on previous pings, the way yesterday went down vote-wise, and because she has enough votes that it could actually matter.
by Russtifinko
Sat Oct 10, 2015 1:27 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 3] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Soooo I am now 10 pages behind and limited to phone for the weekend since I'm in Boston. Just wanted to briefly say some things.

Yay new day!

I don't really understand the backlash on JJJ here. I thought he came out of the whole thing looking Supatown. And as Mac said, Occam's Razor. Works all the time, worked yesterday, probably works today. I haven't really been pinged by Golden any, so if he's still on about that everyone vote for him or JJJ thing I don't support that.

I agree with others who mentioned that Epi and Sorsha, among others, look a lot worse after yesterday. I'm feeling even stronger in my negative reads on both of them today.

I'll try to catch up and contribute as possible tomorrow. I'll be more available than I would've been on Sunday, in any case, even though that's not saying much

Linki: espers your post to JJJ reads super duper weird. You're aware he thinks she's town because there hasn't been resistance, right? And that he means he'd expect resistance if she were bad? Or are you saying you know she's town? Please explain.
by Russtifinko
Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:15 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [NIGHT 2] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Wow, well done people! I'm somewhat shocked. :D

Off to bed. :bed:
by Russtifinko
Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:52 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 2] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Yeah that JJJ flip makes me nervous. C'mon, man...

...Sorsha, explain plz?
by Russtifinko
Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:49 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
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Re: [DAY 2] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Elohcin wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I guess no one is going to make me laugh today. *self vote*
Don't self-vote! It's not allowed!

Will you switch to someone evil if I tell you a joke?


A pirate walks into a bar with a ship's steering wheel sticking out of his pants. He sidles up and says, "Arrr, gimme a cuppa yer best grog!" And the bartender says, "Sure. And it's on the house, but first you have to tell me why that steering wheel's in your pants."

The pirate lifts up his eyepatch and gives the bartender an exasperated look, and says, "Yarrrr, it's drivin' me nuts." :haha:
:haha: :haha: Yay, thanks Russ! :clap:
Happy I could help. :D
by Russtifinko
Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:48 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: [END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)
Replies: 9232
Views: 291294

Re: [DAY 2] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

Yeah seeing Golden's switch, I'm going with LC. I don't like a llama lynch and I don't like a tie.

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