The Syndicate

Wow, so everything that could have gone wrong for the civs did go wrong. Juliets, it may have been painful for you but you played a masterful baddie game, especially in the BTSC rooms. You were the player I thought was least likely to be bad.

However, it does seem like my original instincts were more or less right, at least on BWT and Dex. I'll have to keep that in mind for next game.

And MP, you should have recruited me! You guys could have really used my lynch switch.

Ouch. Thanks so much for the game, S~V~S! It was a lot of fun. I was thinking playing a smaller one was helping me get a feel for mafia, but that seems to have not been the case at all.

NOOOOOOO!! And to think llama (who it seems was Swiss) was my next biggest suspect.

So, how and when did Penny get recruited? And how did MacGyver become her minion? And what were Snow Dog's win conditions?

I never did like Dex's lists of names, but could never find anything else to pin a suspicion on.

Oh! And it's purely ceremonial now, but voting FH, if only for solidarity. Hope we're right...

And sorry about yet another triple post. I'll try not to let those become my thing.

By the way, I think if FH does flip bad BWT is a likely teammate. I'll bother posting why if that does prove to be the case after this lynch.

Sweet baby Jesus I'm nervous about this one! As I said, it may decide the game.

Hi everyone. I was hoping to post before the concert I just went to, but as is probably clear I didn't manage (sorry juliets, and everyone else for that matter). Looks like I'm the last one. Here are some things I believe:

Kate and llama have had BTSC since last Sunday. If you read through Kate's posts, that's when she starts defending him. It is also the night Penny found MacGyver and, I believe (with good reason), the night Ticking Bomb was recruited to the baddie teams, which merged. Whether those two are Penny and MacGyver or baddies together will probably be revealed by this lynch, as they've been united in their suspicion of FH.

I believe there are 5 civvies and 3 baddies remaining. Kate is almost certainly wrong (or even misleading us) that a baddie was NKed last night, as there is only 1 baddie team remaining. It is possible Ticking Bomb is NKing and has no contact with the mafia team, but I think that to be unlikely. This means we can at maximum afford to lynch 1 civ without losing, and we may lose even by lynching one.

Dex, wanted to correct a mistake in one of your posts. You said A-Team has been right about everything so far; that's not entirely true. A-Team did voice suspicion of LT, which turned out to be wrong. While I firmly believe A-Team to be on the side of the civvies, they are fallible and we can't afford to accept everything they say without thinking. Same goes for chemistry book posts.

I had a big post prepared where I was going to list all of the weird things llama has done, but it's far too late by now. I would've been somewhat nervous about doing so anyway for fear baddies could have started a lynch train from it. However, this lynch will make it clear. If FH flips civ, I personally guarantee that Kate and llama are bad. If she flips bad they are both most likely good, though I can't say that with 100% certainty.

Not sure how to feel about the unanimity of this lynch; on the one hand I believe the baddies to have almost destroyed our numbers advantage, so it's good that we're working together; on the other hand, all of the baddie votes are in there as well (except FH's if she's baddie, obviously), which makes me worry we're playing into their hands.

EBWOP: I meant Dex instead of He-Man, He-Man being obviously dead and all. RIP, by the way, He-Man.

Well, I kind of hope we can get a lot of discussion today. Definitely seems like a good time to take a step back, regroup, and come up with some fresh ideas.

I know that both FH and llama have been mentioned by multiple people as possible suspicions, and though I've read both of them I'd be interested in seeing what other people's thoughts are before posting what I've got. Particularly I'd appreciate more detail on the anti-FH case.

On my readthrough I was having trouble drawing solid conclusions on Snowie, BWT, and He-Man as well, so if anyone has something to contribute on them that would be nice.

I'll be checking in later to post some of my thoughts.

This feels like a mess now.

ALF is clearly the cheesiest! I mean, the others are cheesy, but a puppet alien of indeterminate species who interviews celebrities? Come on!

Yeah that's really bad news. Sorry for having a hand in your second demise, LT. RIP

For the record, I do agree that llama is not looking good either right now (as I hope is clear from my post). Personally LT seemed most suspicious to me, but a llama lynch would sit ok with me as well.

Linki with FH

I also think (as I've been saying for days) that LT needs to go. Sorry boo, but nothing either you or she has said has made me look at this any differently.

BWT, I still think your earlier posts were suspicious, and I'll keep an eye on you, but I and many others have been voicing suspicion of LT for way too long to let her survive any more without some kind of fact-based defense. You at least are responding to people's concerns (albeit a bit late in my opinion) and seem to be adding to discussion for now.

I also have absolutely no idea where llama's case against He-Man is coming from. His posts (which are really funny, by the way), do lack substantial evidence backing his vote. I'm not in any way sure He-Man is civvie or anything like that, but I also don't have any particular read on him as a baddie or reasons to think he is one. I think this push is a possible trap and am worried about the consequences if we go this route.

All of which to say, I'm voting LT, and I strongly urge all civvies to do so as well, or at least to reread INH and LT and consider the thread evidence against them. Sorry LT, on a personal level I'd feel bad if you got lynched twice so early, but I really think your role is baddie.

Yeah your posts are pretty readable to me, Dex.

Russtifinko wrote: I'm not totally convinced BWT is bad; but since he's come back he hasn't impressed me. I definitely buy that RL got in the way at the beginning, but since then his contributions have been 1) defending himself 2) agreeing with MP about Dex's list of names and 3) pulling a 180 and deciding he needs to lynch MP (whose opinion he somehow trusts anyway regarding the list?). So this vote is mainly a heads up: BWT, you will probably have earned my suspicion if MP flips civ, and I really hope you start contributing more of your own thoughts because we seem to need all the help we can get to find these baddies.

This is what I was referring to, BWT. Now, MP didn't flip civ, which I think helps your case some, and since I posted this you have contributed more to the discussion. I still think it was very weird that you basically seemed to accept MP's opinion of Dex's list while simultaneously suspecting MP of baddieism. I'm still not sure why you'd want to lynch him but trust his opinion of other players.

RIPIYWG rey. Pretty sure you were. Now I'll really be frustrated if what you were trying to say was important.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

boo wrote:

The A Team wrote:Poor Reywas RIP my friend -odd choice for the kill no one could understand the poor kid!

Looks like Dex won't be a problem to understand. His words are are just jumbled almost easy as pie compared to Reywas.

So hope we are looking at llama, FH, LT2 and possibly HeMan.
What do we think about Snow Dog and Kate?

Thoughts?

I would sub LT2 with BWT. Kate is off the poll, but she was someone I was considering for today, guess that's off the table. At this point I don't see snow dog being bad.

So ya, my list for today (in no particular order) is BWT, FH, llama and HeMan.

I asked why I was on your list earlier, and you didn't respond why before. Would you mind answering me as to why I'm still on your list?

BWT, I think I gave a pretty solid list of reasons to vote you 2 days ago when I voted you. Feel free to disagree on that, but I am still waiting for a satisfactory response from you on the points I made back then.

Lots of linki. Whatever Rey is trying to say, it seems he's trying pretty darn hard. Rey, can you try typing something shorter, or throw an equal sign between 2 letters if it is a substitution code?

Possible better idea: try typing in "My name is reywaS." Maybe if we know how a certain sentence reads in his insanified language we can work backwards and see what the rest of it says

Yeah, all the capital B's make it pretty unintelligible.

So it seems clear from SVS's post that the theory about recruitment is spot on and that team's recruit isn't dead. Thus worries me, partly because the roles state that all baddie powers are cyclical, so both baddie teams could theoretically do this every couple days, and we won't know how many baddies are left. Worse, the recruit would've been acting good the whole time until they were turned and thus could be harder to find via thread evidence and votes. I think if we can we need to stamp out the recruit so there's only 1 team that could be recruiting. Unfortunately I haven't the slightest about who the recruit could be.

I think getting any baddie tomorrow would be a positive step, and we have some decent candidates for that, but I hope we can get some extra discussion going about this new issue and potentially nip it in the bud.

So general questions for more experienced folks out there: how does recruiting usually work? Would a recruit keep their powers and just change win conditions, or inherit the baddies' powers and nk now that the original baddies are dead? And if we were to lynch a recruit would the reveal just list their original role or say " role (this was a recruit)"?

And specific questions for the A team: you said something about civvies potentially being in big trouble a few days ago, back when I thought we were actually on a roll having lynched MP and having good leads on his partner. Did you know and this beforehand, and if so can you say how? Is their any other helpful information you're allowed to share with us at this point?

Wow, what a great result! Vomps was starting to convince me at the end there; good to get him when we did.

S~V~S, to add to Dex's question, if a baddie team has been eliminated, does their NK go away?

I'll be looking hardest at LT2 right now, but I think now is a perfect time to do a reread and look for new leads as well.

And is there another choice? Billie Jean

Ugh! The first version of this got deleted. Shorter version:

No longer sure how to feel about Vomps. All the voting evidence says baddie, and a bandwagon is most likely civ-led since civs outnumber everyone. I also didn't like his role hint/out-poor form there.

On the other hand, his zany, quirky style has earned a certain respect from me, in a weird way. Though evidence overwhelmingly says baddie, my gut is saying no pretty strongly.

That said, this lynch is well decided, and I've spent so much time thinking about the Vomps thing I haven't come up with any better candidates. Snow Dog voting LT reminded me that she could still very well be bad, but I think that's a discussion for tomorrow; it's been a long day.

Tomorrow I want to look more at LT, and continue the short discussion I had with llama.

voting Vomps. I really hope the evidence is right and my gut is wrong.

Actually, He-Man wrote "nice catch Rey" right after that post, so there was some support for the idea. I partially retract my apology. I further put forth that it seems vomps may be grasping at straws, as his suspicion of me seems to have come from nowhere (he never mentioned me before today) and is now suddenly worth a vote

reywaS wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

He-Man wrote:

thellama73 wrote:While it is tempting to trust the A-Team, I would like to point out that I was the first to vote for MP, and you all were happy to follow me to lynch his wicked self.

Also, I wanted to point out that the bit of Science info about MP being creepy was correct, so if one of the pieces of information is in fact wrong, we can look for it in the other two.

Also, I am no longer insanified, thank God.

Wy do you think you were insanified llama over everyone els??

Good question, and I don't know. There has been significant suspicion of me as baddie, so I wouldn't think one baddie team would necessarily assume I'm civvie. The only reason I can think of to insanify a non-obvious civvie would be to make people think I was a baddie trying to gain civvie cred, but I realize this is some serious WIFOM. Of course, all this assumes that insanifying is a baddie power, which I think it probably is, although it seems pretty likely that the chemicals would have it as a power as well.

In short, your guess is as good as mine.

This post really sticks out as suspect to me. You start out by assuming that insanifying is a baddie power. Then later in the post, you say "this assumes that insanifying is a baddie power" as if you see the error in assuming that it is a baddie power and want to make this disclaimer because if you were a civvie you would have no idea what the baddies powers are because they aren't listed on the first page.

I thought there was suspicion llama had faked insanification (or insanified himself) because of this post by Rey. Reading through again it still seems clear to me that Rey is saying that, but I don't see any other support for the idea, so I overstated its unanimity. My sincerest apologies for any damage caused to llama's character, and for my behavior which seems to have offended vomps

I think Dex's point just now is a good one, vomps seems to have taken being on that list pretty personally. That if nothing else makes me nervous about him.

Are people pretty sure now that llama was faking insanification? If that's true I think he needs to go, and better sooner than later.

I still don't feel good about LT, but if others think the two I mentioned are better places to go for a lynch I could see my vote going to one of them. FH worries me a little because of what the chenistry book said. It was right about MP, after all. Not crazy pinged by her otherwise, so for now I'll probably just keep her in mind.

Just so everyone knows in advance, my vote will come this evening and be based partly on a quick readthrough of the new posts. It'll likely go to one of the 3 primary suspects I mentioned.

Oh, and the chemistry book said BWT is very smart. Could that be because he's laying low while we go after others? This is pure speculation, but I know I wasn't the inky one pinged by him yesterday, though I was the only one who voted for him

Haha thanks He-Man.

EBWOP: Great that we avoided another night kill!

boo and LT: my initial reaction is really wanting to believe you both, but you have to realize neither of you has offered any actual evidence or reasons to believe you, at least not that someone in my position would understand. Boo, is the secret evidence you mentioned really something you don't want to share, or are you not allowed or something? Your post made it sound like you just didn't want to take the effort to write it down.

What do others make of the A-Team? We haven't gotten a chemistry book post yet, and my first thought was that they're an awesomer, more 80s version of that. It sounded to me like penny found MacGyver last night (great work by the way, penny!) and my guess is that the two events are related. This all makes me very inclined to listen to the A team.

Also, great that we avoided another lynch!

Really sorry for triple posting! Want to get this down before I go to bed. FH, someone said you had a good spreadsheet that you might be willing to share, is that true?

And I either didn't know or had totally forgotten you were playing, but welcome (back?)!

and voting Ratt

Process of elimination. I can't stand Poison and am often driven crazy by overplayed Motley Crüe at work, and I haven't heard of Cinderella.

Good thing for me that this day phase will be long-it's been hard to catch up this weekend when I don't have my commute!

First off, GREAT that we got a baddie last lynch! Really good work everyone.

Second, MP, glad to see your role gone but I wanted to thank you for the spreadsheet anyway. Hopefully it'll be a help for games to come.

Thirdly, my early thoughts on the next lynch: INH/LT2.0 is still my biggest suspect, personally. I understand why a lot of people are pinged by Vompatti right now, and I do agree that his votes look bad. To me they almost look too bad, actually. I'm inclined to think he'd hide it better if he were truly bad.

I'm also curious you're getting your lists of names from, especially how BWT and boo ended up on his "almost certainly civ" list. Care to explain? You haven't pinged me or anything, I'm just curious because my list looks very different from yours, and I'm hoping to be able to follow your train of logic. I also noticed I made your ping list for not having voted MP. I'll refer you to my post that day, where I noted the lynch had already been decided when I voted. I most likely would have gone MP at the time if it had been at all in doubt.

Lastly, voting order from yesterday, anyone?

Thanks for the coming spreadsheet MP! And thanks LT, I'll keep your offer in mind but right now one mafia game at a game is more than enough to keep me occupied.

I can't yet say I think MP is good, but I am disappointed with the way this lynch is going down. Unanimous gives us little to no information (except for MP's role, of, course). I would have definitely voted INH if that were an option.

Just in the hopes of causing discussion and ripples (because MP cannot avoid a lynch now, mathematically), I'm going to vote for a player I wouldn't normally vote, because the pings I have gotten have been relatively minor. I am only voting this because they can't be lynched today (again, because MP will).

I'm not totally convinced BWT is bad; but since he's come back he hasn't impressed me. I definitely buy that RL got in the way at the beginning, but since then his contributions have been 1) defending himself 2) agreeing with MP about Dex's list of names and 3) pulling a 180 and deciding he needs to lynch MP (whose opinion he somehow trusts anyway regarding the list?). So this vote is mainly a heads up: BWT, you will probably have earned my suspicion if MP flips civ, and I really hope you start contributing more of your own thoughts because we seem to need all the help we can get to find these baddies.

votes BWT

Hey LT, I just noticed that when I try to link to your spreadsheet, the site says I don't have the required permissions to download it. Could you attach the file to this forum, or could MP post his spreadsheet?

Thanks, Snow Dog.

Question to Dex on your post: if MP is mafia, wouldn't it be best to get him first before looking at boo voters? Only 1 of them could be his teammate if he were mafia anyway, so we'd be looking at 1 probable accomplice and 3 civvies in that group.

EBWOP: realized I miscounted and am not the last vote, we're waiting on He-Man and INH. Knife is still my choice though.

And looks like I'm the last to vote on this poll...I was waffling between the Swiss Army Knife as my first instinct and going Roxy on the twine since she's speaking from experience. I think I'll vote knife to tie it up, because though I love duct tape as much as the next person, you can run out of it, which isn't the case for a knife.

*votes Knife*

linki with llama: I will not complain, and would in fact be very grateful for whatever you do have.

Ok, time for my thoughts, finally! NIce to be on my computer instead of checking on my phone.

First off, I agree that the mentioned civ roles are most likely why boo wasn't lynched. We don't know what the baddies' powers are, so I'm not willing to say 100% that he's civvie, but Occam's Razor says to leave him be.

The big MP-Roxy debate did have a civ-civ feel to me, at least by the end there. Although I'm now forever nervous about using the words "civ" and "MP" in the same sentence, I think Roxy is one of the most likely players to be civ right now. AATB struck me more as a frustrated civ newbie than a baddie in his exchange. Saying we can lynch him if we want seems like peeved, sarcastic AATB to me. I'll still watch for suspicious behavior from him. I was satisfied with BWT's explanation for being away, and barring any weirdness from him he won't top my suspect list for tomorrow.

Right now, that honor looks to go to INH. I'm far from saying he's absolutely bad, but I agree he looked past some facts when voting for LT. Then after the lynch, he writes this:

insertnamehere wrote:Well, fuck.

and then disappears from the thread with no explanation. I don't like it at all. I understand people being unwilling to vote for him yesterday because he hadn't had a chance to defend himself, but I think 3 days is long enough to at least say "Hi, explanation forthcoming soon." I'll be leaning toward a vote for him if he doesn't come back.

Vompatti hadn't pinged me in the thread, but reading through his posts together looks strange. They amount to 2 drive-by votes (for which, admittedly, he offers short explanations) and a bunch of humor/snark. Civvie he may (or may not) be, but I at least wouldn't classify him as a helpful civvie.

That's it for major pings for me at the moment. I'm still waiting for a better read on He-Man and reywaS. Rey's aggressive pursuit of Snow Dog almost makes me think if one of them isn't bad, the other will be. So far I'm kind of half-pinged by Snowie, but my gut is saying frustrated noob civvie like with AATB. By the way, happy birthday!

Wow, this post got MP-esque. Gonna finish with 2 very important points:

Did anyone get the lynch results (and ideally order) from yesterday?

And MP, yesterday you mentioned a spreadsheet template you could send to noobs to help us get oriented. Is that still on the table? I tried to spreadsheet for MOTU, and it was a disaster.

Wow, I'm sorry I haven't been involved in the later stages of today's discussion, everyone. Today has been an unmitigated disaster for me in terms of things needing to be done and not getting that way. I've read through quickly, but will do it again slower tomorrow and post thoughts.

For now, I need to vote, and from what I've seen boo still doesn't look very good. I believe someone said "all over the map". Roxy and MP's debate will get a second look from me, but I'm too scared either of them are civvie to lynch them over boo, and any other vote would be a throwaway.

votes boo

So what are people's thoughts on the chemistry lecture? It either came from the player with that role or from SVS, right? Either way, I think it should be given some weight. I ignored cryptic info in ny last game, which ended up being to my detriment. And ignoring lectures leads to failing. So MP, what have you done to be creepy? And anyone else care to weigh in on how valuable they believe the lecture is?

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote:Idc if you never understand my logic about Auger voters tbs

I also am feeling slightly sad that people think I am agressive.

I am sorry I disagreed with your logic about Augers/random voting/weak reasoning. I was just having a bit og fun with the random debate. I will no longer look for fun in this game.

I will no longer be "agressive". I will place my votes and give a reason and that will be all.

If I offended anyone with my so called "agressiveness" I apologize.

You are being a little silly. No one is offended. No one is mad at you. We are all having fun. You have every right to be aggressive, but we have every right to think you are a baddie based on it. Cheer up, Roxy!

Yeah, exactly! I'm definitely not offended, and I (like everyone else, I hope) am in it for all the cheesy, 80s-themed fun I can get! You should play exactly how you want, but please don't be upset if I or others have a game-related response to your actions and statements.

Also, I think a large portion of your last post should have been in Sarcastic Orange

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
It seems many are agreeing about Snow Dog and INH which to me either indicates at least one of them clearly did act suspicious and they are bad or they are being used as good distractors by somebody.

I haven't been getting a read on either INH or Snow Dog. Is your suspicion of them based solely on the vote for LT? Because we both voted for LT and we are good.

Care to explain how you know MP is good, llama?

I read through Snow Dog and INH and don't think there's much there to make a decision on yet. I certainly didn't get INH's logic that randomizing is bad but killing no-shows on Day 1 is ok, but that doesn't make him bad necessarily. Snow Dog's vote does look bad, but he's not the only LT voter. I still don't and will never understand Roxy's anti-auger campaign and agree that her aggression seems over the top, though I do appreciate that she's started so much discussion. Can anyone comment on whether this is a 'normal' play style for her?

And I suppose it's too much too hope anyone will post the poll now, right? This will be a consistent problem for me because I go to bed long before they finish; can someone volunteer to get them in the future?

Went with mousse, because hopefully if we run out this will give us a refill. And as I stated, I love mousse.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

boo wrote:Sorry LT, I didn't want to vote for you but staying alive and all that good stuff.

And, I didn't get a chance to post about my opinion on d1 voting philosophy, so here goes.

I always prefer voting non-participants if there are any and I don't think there are any good reasons to vote anyone else. It has nothing to do with my alignment, I've done it as a civvie and a baddie and at the very least tend to discuss like I did here, as I tend to bring up those names as votes I'm considering on d1 because I ALWAYS consider a non-participant for a d1 vote.

It is annoying to make the decision to replace or host kill a player. You eventually have to do that with a non-participant. Killing them (as a player of the game) makes sense to me because it prevents killing a person actually playing the game. I don't care about a persons alignment if they are not playing, what's the point of having them in the game? They are adding absolutely nothing to the game for other players, and I for one would much rather have an interesting game by keeping people playing it around then keeping around someone who isn't playing, regardless of their alignment. The only valid counter-argument to that in my mind is "But Winning..." and if that's the kind of game you like to play then I honestly consider your opinion worthless. It's a game played for fun, sure winning can be fun, but winning by eliminating active players and keeping your non-threats around is not interesting.

Anyways, moving on. I'm thinking INH (just all those posts didn't sit right with me), MP (started the LT train, I don't agree with a great deal of what he said), and Kate (of my voters, I think hers was the most nonsense. I didn't have a chance to read He-Mans post before I voted and made that post, I have no problem with his vote, I didn't want to see LT lynched on her birthday either) for d2 considerations, but we'll see how the night goes.

Thanks for clarifying, boo. I do agree it's nice to get rid of non-participants, but this early in the game it's impossible to know whether one of those players is civvie or baddie, and honestly getting rid of the baddies is obviously top priority.

I'm wondering about INH myself. I do find it weird that LT ended up getting lynched, especially when I said I didn't feel strong at all about her. INH does often get lynched unfairly as a civvie though, so I am a bit hesitant, and I'm not sure we saw a baddie INH or not. I'm leaning to think that we didn't, but I don't know.

Though I must ask, how does LT's birthday have anything to do with wanting to get her lynched or not? If she were a baddie, why would it matter whether it was her birthday?

I disagree with boo's rationale here. Of course the game is more fun if everyone is participating, and in another day period or 2 if we still had no major leads I'd be willing to look at no-shows. But on Day 1 the game has been going on for just over 24 hours, and I can think of plenty of RL reasons why someone wouldn't check the site within that time frame. I would hate to lynch a player (at least, assuming they were civvie) who was really interested in playing and just hadn't had time to check in, because I would feel really bad if that happened to me. As I (and LT, I think?) previously stated, lynching a Day 1 no-show is at best no better than randomization, and since baddies may have other channels of communication it's even very slightly more likely that a civvie would not have noticed. Honestly, I'm flabbergasted you're still trying to drive this point home, and it continues to ping me.

MP, as I wrote before, if I had really thought LT was a baddie I'd never have hesitated to vote for her, birthday or not. However, I hadn't been pinged by her more than boo and figured odds were barely over 25% she was bad. If it looks no better to me than randomizing I'll give someone birthday BOTD.

Other than that, for Day 2 I'll be looking at boo and check through the poll again (if anyone posts the voting order) to look for LT bandwagoners. I'm not sure if the juliets-AATB thing has any baddie connections, but if they ping me later it will be something to look back at more closely.

RIP LT

At least we'll have more info for the next lynch. Hopefully we make good use of it.

I have no idea what this poll is supposed to do. I do love mousse, so I hope that doesn't run out, but I may end up choosing it just because it's fun to say. Mousse mousse mousse!

LittleTiger wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Kate wrote:My whole point about the randomizing is that if you randomize, there is nothing to go back to later. If you vote a weak ping, or a bad fakes a weak ping, those are in the thread as evidence later in the game. Randomizing tells everyone nothing, and if you are bad, that is a good thing. So the argument about "its just as likely to lynch a civ as is voting on weak pings" may be true but it leaves something to be analyzed later, which randomizing doesn't.

This.

As a thought experiment, if we all randomized every lynch the baddies would be nearly guaranteed to win, right? Because even though they're outnumbered they get kills every night and start with a 75% chance of lynching civvies daily. I strongly dislike Roxy's argument, and agree with llama, that her aggression is pinging me.

But she's not on the poll, so as it is I'm trying to decide whether boo's willingness to lynch no-shows (which is at best no better than randomizing) of LT's early randomization was worse. Leaning boo because he hasn't defended his reasoning since he pinged people, and I do feel a little bad lynching LT on her bday

But we wouldn't randomize every lynch! The randomizer is perfectly okay for a day 1 if there is nothing else to go on. I really, really wish I had not mistaken the poll end time, tbqh!

Sorry, forgot to finish my thought. It seems to me like if it's such a bad strategy for every lynch, it's probably bad to do once.

So much linki....

Sorry boo, but I have to go on something today, even if it does ping you. I feel no better about you than LT, and it just seems too mean to lynch her on her birthday.

votes boo

Kate wrote:My whole point about the randomizing is that if you randomize, there is nothing to go back to later. If you vote a weak ping, or a bad fakes a weak ping, those are in the thread as evidence later in the game. Randomizing tells everyone nothing, and if you are bad, that is a good thing. So the argument about "its just as likely to lynch a civ as is voting on weak pings" may be true but it leaves something to be analyzed later, which randomizing doesn't.

This.

As a thought experiment, if we all randomized every lynch the baddies would be nearly guaranteed to win, right? Because even though they're outnumbered they get kills every night and start with a 75% chance of lynching civvies daily. I strongly dislike Roxy's argument, and agree with llama, that her aggression is pinging me.

But she's not on the poll, so as it is I'm trying to decide whether boo's willingness to lynch no-shows (which is at best no better than randomizing) of LT's early randomization was worse. Leaning boo because he hasn't defended his reasoning since he pinged people, and I do feel a little bad lynching LT on her bday

Snow Dog wrote:

Kate wrote:I was going to agree that not much could be determined from the day 0 poll, however, it appears some people got results from it. I did not.

Did the people who voted for the tool that won, all get a prize?

Good question.

Well, Roxy said she was taken off the lynch poll because of the Day 0 poll, right? I don't know what she voted, but I'm assuming Gator Grip. There are 15 other names on the poll, so she's the only one who got taken off, though I suppose there could be other prizes.

And though I understand boo's train of thought, it worries me a tiny bit. In the MOTU game a number of players who suggested lynching no-shows at the beginning have turned out to be baddies.

Agreed with llama on 2 things, here. 1) BWT won't be getting my lynch vote today because of non-participation, for the reason llama stated. 2) I'm opposed to voting for auger-voters (obviously). Frankly, I just don't see the logic behind that notion. I doubt that the day 0 poll will be much help to us at all, at least for today.

S~V~S wrote:Also, I hope someone is watching these dumb videos, I spend more time trying to make the right video choices than i do writing the posts, lol

I just got around to watching all the videos, and they (especially the first one) completely made my morning!

So what are people's thoughts on who to lynch? I know there's really nothing to go on yet, but maybe with some discussion we can get something before the end of the day.

Wow, such great choices! The auger seemed coolest to me on first glance, but we are on a boat and I love fish...it will come down to one of those two, anyway. Although if even more mousse were an option I'd do that