The Syndicate

Ambray wrote:Nope, that's exactly why I wasn't getting warm and fuzzies.

Tbh, I've been feeling off with him for a majority of the game. But when he brought up Epig being the zombie and Epig did turn out to actually be the Zombie, alarm bells went off and I had actual reason to be suspicious.

I'm going to be very interested to look back and see at what point Russ said that in relation to the direction of the thread and whether it was pretty much a certainty that Epig would be lynched.

Snow Dog wrote:

He-Man wrote:Don't be to hard on yourself snow dog, we are all wrong in mafia sometimes. It's good your views are not always the same as others otherwise we would never double check ourselves.

You say your suspicion of me 'must be dropped' does that mean you see me as bad still?

No I don't. All evidence points against it. I was wrong about you. I admit it.

Snow Dog wrote:

He-Man wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I'd like to comment on some points raised.

I didn't push ship....ever! I was simply trying to help.
If I was a baddie I would have voted Epi, why risk any other choice?

Firstly BIh zombies well played epig!

Secondly, WIFOM TO THE MAX.

Not really

Snow Dog wrote:I'd like to comment on some points raised.

I didn't push ship....ever! I was simply trying to help.
If I was a baddie I would have voted Epi, why risk any other choice?

Ambray wrote:

He-Man wrote:

Ambray wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

I always have this image of couples that play mafia...

Awkward dinner table conversations, "Oh, what were you doing on the computer just now?" "Nothing."

lol. That 'nothing' is really them sending in the kill for the person they've just said 'nothing' too.

"Darling, what's for dinner tonight?" "Perhaps you can go ask your teammates who you plotted with TO KILL ME!!"

Ambray wrote:

blindfaeth wrote:Hello, just checking in.

The recent developments have made me really comfortable with my vote for Epig, so I'm hoping for the best there.

I know MP & Ambray were asking for my opinion of Boogs. FWIW I was with him in his apartment yesterday from 4 until 11ish, and any time we were catching up in the thread/posting, he wasn't deliberating in baddie chatrooms. For whatever that's worth. So any theories, etc etc is all him during that time period, he had no coaching or whatnot.

I always have this image of couples that play mafia...

Awkward dinner table conversations, "Oh, what were you doing on the computer just now?" "Nothing."

Boogs wrote:

Boogs wrote:The Spider could have blocked Indiglo and the Rogue killed him maybe?

EBWOP: The spider could have Insanified Indiglo and the Rogue killed him maybe?

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Roxy wrote:I am cool with that Snow Dog I have zero to hide

Neither have I.

If Epi flips bad, I'll be watching you too. Your defending of him and your sudden following suit with llama's vote just reads weird to me. No time to say more though, I have jazz band practice. I'll be back to argue with you guys more later maybe.

Snow Dog wrote:

He-Man wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I think He-Man is bad still. reywaS less so. Not convinced on Epi.

Why is that?

Mostly the way you went for Epi due to his original thoughts on who to vote. And.....just a feeling I suppose. Now if Epi turns out bad I will take it all back.

Snow Dog wrote:I think He-Man is bad still. reywaS less so. Not convinced on Epi.

Snow Dog wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Thank you indi for looking back and seeing that it was S~V~S that first suggested the idea that Epignosis was framed. Coupled with what BF is saying about them doing that in a past game is interesting and something to keep in mind.

Snow Dog wrote:@Roxy, that's no problem. I hope we can put any misunderstandings behind us.

@reywaS....why do you think I am a baddie or rogue?

@everyone else. I want to believe Epignosis is civ which is why I think he is framed, but of course that solely relies on that belief. Certainly it was a gamble if was the baddies trying to frame him. But maybe worthwhile to get two civvies in a row down.

Why do you want to believe Epignosis is civvie?

Just a feeling. From his posting. His manner. Just seems civ to me. I still find these things hard to tell though.

Epignosis wrote:

He-Man wrote:Roxy I am precious lol also epig made that comment about making him vote me not snow dog

Epig llama had enough attention you had none he was trying to take heat off of him you made your comment to blend. This is why I aimed my suspicion at you and not llama

I think you and thellama73 are together. I think you wanted to absorb my vote, since he had, in your own words, "enough heat."

If you're bad, there's no such thing as enough heat.

Snow Dog wrote:

He-Man wrote:Well snow dog I think you should weigh up the evidence MP dying in place ofthe top two vote getters should solidify your thoughts on the situation I know it has mine.

It is a very good point I admit. Either Epi is bad and did a switch or more likely, imo, he was switched to get him framed. So they get MP and Epi next time. I want to be careful not to fall into that potential trap.

Snow Dog wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Going to bed now but I wasn't really here at the end i was watching The Dark Night. Amazed I wasn't lynched but glad I'm not.

Never thought MP or Epignosis were bad but hard to tell. Not convinced Llama is bad either. Had to decide between voting He Man and reywaS and chose the latter.

Snow Dog, my gut is still slightly civ on you, but things like this in the thread look really bad to me. Really, you weren't here at the end despite being the last vote? And I understand you not seeing llama or Epi as particularly bad, but it is strange to me that your top 2 candidates were both players you had had personal arguments with before. I know you were very busy with them, but none of the other discussions going on gave you any ideas whatsoever? Beware tunnel vision when things get personal.

He-Man, the vote order is on page 11, I believe. Roxy posted it. Do you have any suspicions besides Epi at the moment? I know you're convinced he's bad, and he may well be, but I'm a bit worried about tunnel vision there as well.

Linki with snowie: that's fair about your vote. I sympathize with wanting to protect yourself. Anything about rey's behavior (votes etc) ping you besides the fact that he was suspicious of you?

His vehement attack on me in defence of Roxy seemed like he was likely bad to me, but He-Man even more so. His case against Epi seems to me to be a bit crazy. Comparing his playing this game to hoew he mod's another? Come on.

Epignosis wrote:He-Man coming after me and not thellama73 smells fishy to me. I was set to vote him, but I'm so uneasy about it. It was almost like he wanted me to vote for him.

Russtifinko wrote:Ugh, so much going on....

*Voting llama* because his vote for DP without responding to my concern about his train of thought pinged me like crazy. I think a number of the other suspicions going around have merit, but for now that was what got me the most.

That bothered me as well. I listed people, yes, but I said I wanted to hear what they had to say. I wanted to spur conversation (and we got that in spades, I think- good grief!).

I'm going to go with you on this, Russ, and vote for thellama73.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Roxy wrote:Then do it again.

I don't think so. Who do you think you are? Just vote for me and get it over with!

I was really trying to give Snowie the BOTD, but do comments like these read as baddie to anyone else or is it just me?

I'm starting to think my paranoia yesterday regarding house was misplaced and we might have found a baddie option in ship. I'll go back to studying and think on it. Thoughts from others that don't contribute to the back and forths would be welcome because I'm getting tired of reading those. No offense to any of those people, they're just clouding my thought process largely and I think they're mostly due to personality clashes and unfamiliarity with each other.

And does anyone else think that SE's vote for He-Man is weird? Not suspicious, really, but just weird.

Linki with Snowie, so are you going to talk to me or her?

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:this is the last chance i will get before the poll ends, i'm going out with friends. so i guess i have to vote now. i honestly have no idea who to vote for and i dont know if i'm okay with an SD lynch JUST YET. ill give him a chance to prove himself civvie to me. so i'm going to vote he-man, just cuz he's he-man and always pings me

Elohcin wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

He-Man wrote:[q

Linki

I know I said we may want to lynch Snow Dog earlier, but there were much fewer posts at the time and he seemed to be the only one (other than low posters) that we could point our finger at. However, now I am being pinged by He-Man. He mentions that Epig is being hypocritical by wanting to punish low posters here (by voting for one of them) but does not punish them in MOTU which he is hosting. Obviously, as a host, Epig must stay neutral. He cannot punish low posters in MOTU. He can, however, look at low posters in this game as trying to fly under the radar (which is what I think many baddies will do). I think baddies will do one of two things - be a low poster to try and fly under the radar or come out aggressive and pointing fingers for no good reason just to try to get the attention of players off of them while keeping their post counts up. I think that He-Man is doing the latter. I also feel bad for LT. He-Man seems to defend her a good deal as a low poster which makes me think that he may have BTSC with her which would mean she is baddie as well. Way to call out a teammate there He-Man.

What? And this coming from a Ship voter?

Where has He-Man defended me? I did see where he responded to a post by Epig listing low posters....

And why is he-man a baddie, exactly? Oh, right... Epignosis thinks he is posting nonsense (I must say, I find people saying this about He-man's posts to be a bit off - I can understand what he is saying. He posts from an iPad so, as those of us who have used tablets or phones know, sometimes they are hard to type on).

I have no BTSC in this game.

I might call your post a defense of Epignosis - another Ship voter

Also, the fact that you say you were planning on voting Snow Dog also catches my eye - he is certainly the most easily lynchable today, so baddies will definitely be wanting to hop that bandwagon if it rolls. But now, this attention on He-Man is catching MY eye given that it is coming from Ship voters

As for Snow Dog, I don't think I will be voting his way as his later posts make me think that he was just diving into the game and asking questions - but it got out of hand. Doesn't make him a baddie.

Hey hey, I'm just playing the game.
First of all, I never said I was *planning* on voting Snow Dog. I mentioned him as a possible lynch as he was the only one to point to (other than low posters) at the time. I no longer see him as a possible baddie for now.
Second, When Indiglo made a small statement to defend another player in the MOTU game, so many poeple blew it up and jumped to the conclusion that she was baddie. I've learned how to play this game from most of you all. I've learned that when the game is just starting and there isn't much to go on, read into what you can . Like I said before, I think baddies will either be low posters (to try and fly under the radar) or they will point fingers as much as possible. The reasons He-Man gives for pointing just don't seem reasonable enough. That is why he pings me. For now, I am thinking He-man or a low poster would be good to lynch.

reywaS wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

reywaS wrote:Does anyone else see this implication in the above sentence?

I do, but I don't think it matters.

Implication is subjective. Just because it doesn't imply something to you doesn't mean it doesn't imply something to others. I am tired of this same argument about one line of Roxy's though, because I don't think it is relevant and I don't think we are gaining any new information out of it, just annoying people.

well, then I take great pride in knowing that I am annoying you. Aren't you the one that made the comment that SVS talked about where you are trying to squash discussion? I will always say what's on my mind whether it annoys people or not.

Elohcin wrote:

He-Man wrote:Also look my post count is going up.

It's not about quantity it's about quality. I could spam the thread and get a 100 posts hmm I'm sure I did that in MOTU and I was bad.

Anyways looking at the low posters russ IMO has been making some sense and his posts seem ok with me albeit a few.

I can't account for LT but the others are notorious low posters, maybe LT just wants a bit of a break, she plays loads of mafia and never seen her play an extreme because of allegiance.

Epic has my eye now. That's for sure.

Here is is. Sorry, took me a minute to find.

thellama73 wrote:I would like to respectfully request that people don't lynch me, as I am not a baddie.

LittleTiger wrote:I have just read through Day 0 and what struck me was Snow Dog pushing for Ship and twisting Roxy into a pretzel. Epignosis voted Ship early. Then, FH who really DID push for ship and made all kinds of logical reasons why. Next was BWT who made a remarkably similar post as he did in the MOTU game wherein he calls someone OOT. MP wanted to vote for Bank but "slipped" in the poll and voted House.

Now I will read today's posts....

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:

He-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

He-Man wrote:
First you go after low posters

Then pulled on it you pull a switcheroo.

Not cool.

What?

Maybe someone else can explain since I'm not making sense to you.

I dont think youre making too much sense to anyone, tbh

Epignosis wrote:

He-Man wrote:
First you go after low posters

Then pulled on it you pull a switcheroo.

Not cool.

What?

Epignosis wrote:

He-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Out of all the people who were in the lime light you didn't want to go there, instead you went for the people who you thought we're not going to defend themselves. This on its own speaks volumes to me.

So did thellama73. You didn't say a word to him.

Epignosis wrote:I have several very good reasons not to punish people in MOTU, as you will see in the post game discussion. That doesn't make me a hypocrite. It makes me a Host who is aware of his own game's mechanics.

Epignosis wrote:

He-Man wrote:
@snow dog, I said epig was being hypocritical because he is willing to punish the low posters in this game but not the game he is hosting. I find it strange. I realise its still continuing a cant really be discussed but since its obvious I felt a need to say it.

So epig why punish the low posters in this game all of a sudden?

Linki

Comparing how I elect to Host and how I vote in a Day 1 lynch poll? Really?

Here is what I find interesting:

thellama73 mentioned voting for a quiet person before I did, yet you didn't accuse him of anything.

thellama73 wrote:My real worry is that the baddies are laying low and letting the civs bicker amongst ourselves. With that in mind, I am tempted to vote for a low-poster. I will wait and see how the discussion goes tomorrow before coming to any conclusions, though.

I post a list of low posters that I am only considering and you come flailing out of the woodwork.

That reeks of desperation.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:He's saying you usually don't post a whole bunch at a time, SD. I don't see why it justifies a "What the hell are you talking about?" response.

As for the whole llama/SD/Roxy/SVS debate, I'm currently inclined to lean civvie on all of them, except for SD who, as I've mentioned before, I'm not sure about right now. I do think that people who are posting but aren't offering their opinion on that issue could very likely be baddies hiding behind a full civ on civ argument (excluding any that are low posters), hoping they get each other lynched.

As for low posters, there's absolutely no reason to vote for someone just because they're a low poster on Day 1. Now when we get to Day 2 or 3, if we want to go back and look at low posters because we don't feel there is much else to go on in the thread, then I am willing to look that way. But unless some better ideas are coming up in the game or someone gives me a good enough reason to do so, I usually look at low posters last. I think baddies will be more likely to get their fellow teammates involved and will PM or notify the ones who aren't posting yet. So I usually lean toward people who don't post enough right away as civvie.

And really, it is indeed about quality over quantity. Kudos to whoever said that originally (either He-Man or Russ I think).

I'm still very slightly leaning toward SD, so that will probably be where my vote goes today. Not to mention I have to vote within the next hour or so because of what time I work today.

Linki: 6 linkis?!?! I'll comment on them after I post this.

Linki2: Make that 7.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:

He-Man wrote:

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:He-Man, I dont think anybody has really been specifically targeting anybody for the lynch yet, and i cant see anybody as of right now that looks like theyre tied to epi in any way. i dont think its fair to go throwing out conclusions of any sort yet. we need to talk about all of this first before we jump to "youre suspicious and bad, so die" kind of thing. in fact, I think epi's post actually makes a lot of sense, but so does the point made of quality over quantity.

Fair enough spaghetti, it's just my observation, you are free to dismiss them.

And whilst no one has been pushed to the lynch with just 8 or so hours to go, it's only a matter of time

And again, linki

But also spaghetti, a few have said that snow dog is suspicious and llama and whilst I don't agree with those I would say the people that have said such things will most likely vote them as a 'weak suspicion' it's how day one always goes down, so spaghetti I think it's fair to say that epig could be trying to get some distance between snow dog etc

In fact I will be shocked if those two don't receive any votes.

Linki again

Yes people have said things that can qualify as a weak suspicion, even for me, but I will not be making any conclusions until I absolutely have to on the first day vote.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:He-Man, I dont think anybody has really been specifically targeting anybody for the lynch yet, and i cant see anybody as of right now that looks like theyre tied to epi in any way. i dont think its fair to go throwing out conclusions of any sort yet. we need to talk about all of this first before we jump to "youre suspicious and bad, so die" kind of thing. in fact, I think epi's post actually makes a lot of sense, but so does the point made of quality over quantity.