The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Ricochet wrote: linki: Llama, if you think there's no way she's an unlynchable player, do you think she's Mikami? If not, would you still vote to lynch her?
I don't have a certain role in mind for her, but I don't think she would be defending so hard if she were Mello or Near or a Shinigami. I think she is scared, and I think she is bad.
But that's not exactly what you said

thellama73 wrote:There's no way you would be defending yourself this hard if you had an unlynchable role. No way. This smacks of desperation.
Yet from your post above, you're limiting "unlynchable roles" to just Near/Mello and Shinigamis. Do you think a lynch for Misa or Light will go through, right now? Do you believe Higuchi currently has the DN and therefore can be lynched?

That's not exactly what I said at all. She was hinting at an unlynchable role. I do not think she has an unlynchable role, like Near or Mello or a Shinigami. I don't know whether a lynch of Light or Misa would go through, but I think a player with such a role would be more afraid of being lynched and found out than a civ or Shinigami.

Ricochet wrote: linki: Llama, if you think there's no way she's an unlynchable player, do you think she's Mikami? If not, would you still vote to lynch her?

I don't have a certain role in mind for her, but I don't think she would be defending so hard if she were Mello or Near or a Shinigami. I think she is scared, and I think she is bad.

FZ. wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
FZ. wrote:RIP Bea

Before I go into the number thing, Epi, I want to ask you a question. Do you think Russ would have voted for a player who couldn't be lynched? If not, if you lynch me and I don't die, would that convince you that if he did in fact role check me, he got a false role?
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...damnit FZ, that's your defense?!

...Like half the Kiras will survive a lynch
Look, I didn't want to do this up until this point, because I didn't want to narrow it down for the baddies, but I'm left with no choice because if what we're going to base our decisions is Russ' vote, then I'm going to give you the logic I have. I could have let you all lynch me many times, and it would have been a waste of time. Like I said, I was trying to be vague.

So, if we agree that if Russ got me role checked and got a baddie role, his vote would depend on whether that role could be lynched or not. If he got an unlynchable role, he'd say he thinks I'm bad, but he doesn't think I should be voted. The only way he'd vote me is if actually got Mikami or whatever baddie role that can be lynched. If he actually got one of those roles, it makes the likelihood of him being wrong a mere 5%, which should really encourage you to vote for me. But if I am not lynched, I want you all to throw that probability crap out the window and realize that either Russ didn't check me and decided to follow Epi's long long case on me, or he got the wrong results, and you go back to judging me based on my game.

And with that, if the baddies kill me at night, it's on the conscience of those not even trying to listen to me

There's no way you would be defending yourself this hard if you had an unlynchable role. No way. This smacks of desperation.

Guys I have a question.

Can we please lynch FZ next?

RIP Bea! I had good feelings about you.

I still think FZ should die, but I also agree with Epi and Boomslang about Matahari.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm glad you brought up Mata, Boomslang. She is someone I would like to discuss in-depth tomorrow.

Finally something I agree with TH on.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:And Bea, it seems clear that there is a lot of goodwill being sent your way, given that only yourself, a lazy shinigami, and a confused Boomslang voted for you yesterday. I hope you take advantage of this goodwill and continue to help us figure out who the bad guys are. If you are truly a detective, we could use your skills K?
What makes you think I'm a Shinigami?

Because obviously.

Okay, I am back now, and what happened in my absence is pure unadulterated madness. Are any of the detectives even trying this game? Wake up, people!

I also agree with Epi that Matahari's vote record is the height of opportunism.

I step away for one day and you guys are trying to lynch bra? Don't make such a mistake

RIP Russ

I'm voting for the person who basically said "Hey Kira, look at what Russ's role is! You should NK him!"

That's actually a fairly compelling case, DH. I'll have to think about it. (but probably not much this weekend because I will barely be here.)

DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:That's all good and well, but why didn't you get my joke about not knowing what words mean? It was funny.
Was it really.

Yes.

That's all good and well, but why didn't you get my joke about not knowing what words mean? It was funny.

DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote: Not sure you understand words.
What?
I wasn't being "dismissive."
DH: Kira hasn't been paying attention!
FZ: What? Russ? Oh! I wasn't paying attention!
DH: Don't look at FZ, look at Black Rock (or maybe someone else) because reasons.
How does that relate back to the zeek, matahari and juliets discussion we were having?

Because the point I was making in that post is that I think it's odd that your main reason for singling out Bass, BR, DP, and Daisy is that they haven't been paying attention, while you ignore other people (like FZ, Mata, Zeek, and Juliets) who are equally not paying attention. How can you condemn BR for the same behavior that you are defending in FZ?

DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote: Not sure you understand words.
What?
I wasn't being "dismissive."

DH: Kira hasn't been paying attention!
FZ: What? Russ? Oh! I wasn't paying attention!
DH: Don't look at FZ, look at Black Rock (or maybe someone else) because reasons.

DharmaHelper wrote: Not sure you understand words.

What?

DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:That's fair enough.

How about FZ. now. Hmm?
I''m more interested in looking at Black Rock, Bass, and DP. I maintain that the current Kira was not paying enough attention to the thread.

I also don't think FZ would tell us all to fuck off if she were bad.
I agree with your assessment thta Kira was not paying that much attention. FZ telegraphed pretty hard that she had not been paying attention to the roles. I am curious as to why you singled out Black Rock, Bass, DP and Spacedaisy as not paying attention, but left out other obvious candidates like Matahari, Zeek, and Juliets.
You told me I shouldn't cast such a wide net.

Dismissive.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Epignosis wrote:That's fair enough.

How about FZ. now. Hmm?
I''m more interested in looking at Black Rock, Bass, and DP. I maintain that the current Kira was not paying enough attention to the thread.

I also don't think FZ would tell us all to fuck off if she were bad.

I agree with your assessment thta Kira was not paying that much attention. FZ telegraphed pretty hard that she had not been paying attention to the roles. I am curious as to why you singled out Black Rock, Bass, DP and Spacedaisy as not paying attention, but left out other obvious candidates like Matahari, Zeek, and Juliets.

DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Epi is right. DH's "look anywhere but here" method is manipulative and clearly not in the detectives' self-interest.
You are incorrect.

I might be correct.

Guys, just so you know, I've got weekend guests coming in tonight, and my participation during that time will be minimal. Try not to lynch me, please.

Epi is right. DH's "look anywhere but here" method is manipulative and clearly not in the detectives' self-interest.

RIP Made.

I think it's insane to vote for a confessed Yotsuba at this point in the game. We need to catch Kira, y'all.

Team claiming has never been against the rules. Team claiming is not role outing.

Made wrote:
thellama73 wrote:This is going to be a VERY interesting lynch result.
What makes you say that?

Nothing makes me say anything. I have free will.

This is going to be a VERY interesting lynch result.

DharmaHelper wrote:Also, for the record, I lied about my reasoning in thinking that Kira was not paying attention to the thread. In addition to the Black Rock stuff that I mentioned, that Kira hadn't killed Russ also struck me as odd, and indicated to me that Kira had not been paying attention to the thread. I just didn't want to say that. Until now.

I think several of us had the same thought.

Because outing civvies in the thread is totally a civvie thing to do.

Lynch FZ.

juliets wrote:Made, I'm trying to do what you requested and wait for you to bring up some points about bea before i vote, but time is slipping by and I have things that have to get done. I hope it won't be too much longer.

Or you could vote for FZ.

FZ. wrote: I think I'm having a really bad game. Is it that I expect baddies to not change their game so much? and not be obvious? Made, everyone is convinced you're a baddie. I think even more people than me. Is there anyone who doesn't think Made is bad?

I don't, particularly.

zeek wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote: You're a man. You just like to consider yourself as a going with facts and logic. :P Maybe you are and that's why you're messing up right now, because you think all the reasons you brought up on me are real evidence for baddie tells when in fact, they are not
Sexist.
All women spent way too much time being sexist, and not enough on housework

You shouldn't use hyperbole like that, because it's the worst thing in the world.

FZ. wrote: You're a man. You just like to consider yourself as a going with facts and logic. :P Maybe you are and that's why you're messing up right now, because you think all the reasons you brought up on me are real evidence for baddie tells when in fact, they are not

Sexist.

FZ's last defense reads to me like a baddie who thinks she has played a perfect game, and that the reasons we have for voting her are bad ones. I've been in that position, and it is the most frustrating thing ever. When you're bad, there's nothing worse than the civilians being right about you for the wrong reasons. I recognize myself in FZ's last post, and it makes me feel better about my vote.

linki: My point is that it's impossible to talk people out of voting for you by saying "I'm not bad." Ricochet gets mad at me for this advice, but it's true. The best way to survive a lynch is to find someone more suspicious than you and build a better case on them. Denials convince no one. Being a good baddie hunter is the best way to avoid suspicion.

"The best defense is a good offense." - thellama73

FZ. wrote:
Boomslang wrote:
FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm voting for FZ,because I want DH to have a win-win scenario.
Nice that you can justify your actions which such a morally flawed strategy
Ok, either you or llama need to start using sarcastic orange...

I'm voting for FZ, because I want DH to have a win-win scenario.

FZ, my reasons for voting you are:
1. You've been contradictory, as Epi has pointed out.
2. You've been eager to explain away bad behavior by guessing at the role secrets (which I think is a baddie move.)
3. Your vote record has been opportunistic. You defended Snowman all day but then ended up voting for him.
4. You were too easily cowed away from your case on me.
5. Other people climb onto and fall off of suspicion of you too easily.
6. You were wishy washy on TH. Take a stand!
7. You said there has been too much discussion. Stifling.
8. You said it was a waste of time to talk about Yotsuba. Stifling.

linki: I don't make anything of Bea right now.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:My case on Snowman worked out pretty well, I think.
Well then, this makes it 1 out of 2, so your success just dropped to 50% in this game.

Linki: No! FIrst of all, I'm not role claiming, or I'll be punished. Secondly, there are a lot of roles that fit what I said

Dropped to 50%? Where have you been? 50% is a HUGE improvement for me.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:I never implied I have a civvie game and a baddie game.
Eh?

FZ. wrote:I'll just say that I wish you all knew how I play a baddie. I never defend someone who is on my side. Sadly, I'm more like MP in that sense. But I get you won't take my word for it (you can always go on K-site and look at my baddie games).
30 people left my house not long ago, and I'm still not finished cleaning. I'm tired of defending myself for things I can't control and know are not true. If you want to lynch me, it's a waste of time, but go ahead. This will not bode well for the civvies, I guarantee it.

Once again, this is not saying I have a baddie game vs. a civ game, but rather that when I'm bad, I don't do what you keep accusing me of doing. Nothing I say at this point is going to make you actually consider you're wrong and you know it. So what's the point?
Are you role claiming a Shinigami?
No, I think I made it very clear that I'm the farther as can get from that or any baddie role out there. You all can do with it whatever it is you want

Are you role claiming L?

My case on Snowman worked out pretty well, I think.

FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:I never implied I have a civvie game and a baddie game.
Eh?

FZ. wrote:I'll just say that I wish you all knew how I play a baddie. I never defend someone who is on my side. Sadly, I'm more like MP in that sense. But I get you won't take my word for it (you can always go on K-site and look at my baddie games).
30 people left my house not long ago, and I'm still not finished cleaning. I'm tired of defending myself for things I can't control and know are not true. If you want to lynch me, it's a waste of time, but go ahead. This will not bode well for the civvies, I guarantee it.

Once again, this is not saying I have a baddie game vs. a civ game, but rather that when I'm bad, I don't do what you keep accusing me of doing. Nothing I say at this point is going to make you actually consider you're wrong and you know it. So what's the point?

Are you role claiming a Shinigami?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I had four suspects Day 1 (not "just" Russ), and I didn't "just" argue with DH. That "just" can be a naughty word. It can make people think only A happened when A, B, C, D, and E happened.
You can't spell "justice" without "just" Mr. Detective.
Can you spell it without "ice"?
No.

Speaking of ice, ice is the solidified form of water. Water is an incredibly abundant resource on the earth. Where do we get water from? Though it comes from the rivers, lakes, seas, and oceans, we commonly get our water directly from a water spout or fountain. Coincidentally, Higuchi translates to "someone who lived by a drain or water spout". I think there's a correlation here with our Mr. "Just-Ice".

Very good point. ICE also stands for In Case of Emergency, or Immigration & Customs Enforcment (Japanese people are foreigners), which I think is relevant.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I had four suspects Day 1 (not "just" Russ), and I didn't "just" argue with DH. That "just" can be a naughty word. It can make people think only A happened when A, B, C, D, and E happened.
You can't spell "justice" without "just" Mr. Detective.

Can you spell it without "ice"?

Black Rock wrote:I don't know FZ, Epig has pointed out some very contradictory statements.

My case on her is good too.

Here's something else I want to say about FZ. Something that's been bothering me. The following quotes are from Day 2.

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I came into today feeling pretty much the same about FZ as I did before. When she is a civ, regardless of the thread output, she is fearless, poking people and speaking her mind. Calling people out for all kinds of things. This game, not so much. When she finally does suspect someone strongly enought to commit to it (kinda) it is someone she suspects for basically the same reasons she herself is suspoect.
It is rare that you and I agree, especially on a suspect with matching reasons.

bea wrote: She feels a bit over defensive at being looked at too. I've never heard her say that there was too much discussion going on before this game. Here or on her own site. She's usually the one trying to get people to talk more.

Zomberella12 wrote:About FZ, I don't like that she called me out, it was weird. But I really want her to be a civ because she is an awesome civ! I've only played one game with her though. I will have to take what SVS and bea say about her into consideration because they know her playstyle much better than I do.

Matahari wrote: I am still wary of FZ, she raised points about Bea's posts that were good examples of her own style of posting. But at this point, I'm so weary of the manipulating nit-pickers that I'm probably going to vote one of them. They seem badder by the minute.

DharmaHelper wrote: FZ. vs Bea - Bea is like this a lot, but she's also very good at doing what she does and being bad. FZ has struck me so far as moderately more suspect than the people she is bringing up.

Made wrote: Right now, I'm at a vote for FZ or TH. I have yet to read much of anything from snowman. What's the general case on Snowman?

Elohcin wrote:I've never seen such a desparate FZ. It's odd.

You had eight players, not counting me, mentioning at least some suspicion on FZ. In fact, at the time I thought it all seemed too easy. I got nervous and backed off her, because I thought too many people were ready to hop onto the bandwagon for her to be bad. Yet when the votes came in not a single person voted for FZ. Of course, that was also the day she helped lead the charge against BWT who, I need not remind you, was a Yotsuba (not too many feathers on either side ruffled by that lynch. Convenient.)

I am now wondering if some people were playing along with the suspicion by paying lip service to it, but never really had any intention of voting for her. It seems weird to me, and is another reason why I plan to vote for her today.

Turnip Head wrote:It's a good case Epi. You've shaken my trust in FZ slightly. I still think I'm reading her as civ, but I think the points you make demand a response from her.

I still think we have more fruitful suspects for today's lynch like Made and Bea, but I won't get in the way of people suspecting FZ on the strength of your case.

My case on her is good too.

Holy cow, Epi, that was amazing.

Thank you for further solidifying my feelings about FZ.

I know you better than you know yourself.

I could see FZ killing SVS and Long Con. I don't see her killing Aces and Zombrella. I'm still not conceding the "Kira has switched" assumption though.

FZ. wrote:llama, have you thought about the option of you agreeing with me on many occasions because I'm actually good?

Yes.

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