The Syndicate

RadicalFuzz wrote: Llama can you elaborate on your conclusion that Luffy's posts scream "cop?"

Sure.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:The whole Golden vs Matt argument feels like a waste of time.

Just my two cents.

Steering. This is a big pattern I see in Luffy. He is very interested in pumping people for opinion, GTH reads, explanations, and speculations on mechanics. He is constantly trying to get conversation going on a variety of topics... but the topics are of his choosing. When people discuss something he hasn't steered them towards, he tries to kill it.

Here's another example, where he quickly dismissed my suspicion of him.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Not sure if serious or just llama.

Here's another example, where disucssion of the lynch wasn't going where he wanted it to, with people complaining about his leading them by the noses.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Seriously guys, not gonna deny I had some influence in that lynch, but why are half the people on it saying they voted because "DDL said so"? A little more independent thinking, please? And I didn't even vote for Diiny myself, for fuck's sake. Worse is that the two guys are apparently players who always get lynched as civs for doing stupid crap, so I'm like "how do I even deal with them"?

What I am seeing is a very manipulative game. He seems like a great participant, because he always gets discussion going, but he controls the direction of the discussion and squashes it when it displeases him.

Sloonei wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Serge wrote:@thellama73, is your vote for Luffy serious? If so, why?
Yes. I continue to interpret his comments about the difficulty cops have in arresting Dons as frustration about a personal win condition that is difficult to achieve.
Has anything else in his posts aftet that caught your eye in the same way?

Everything he says screams "cop." Every single post.

Sloonei wrote:Quin is a gentleman

I agree with this.

Serge wrote:@thellama73, is your vote for Luffy serious? If so, why?

Yes. I continue to interpret his comments about the difficulty cops have in arresting Dons as frustration about a personal win condition that is difficult to achieve.

RadicalFuzz wrote:What is it, light blue? Is that even a color?

In Russian, light blue and dark blue have different color words.

Epignosis wrote: The speculation is bad, I agree. Is he a cop for speculating in that manner?

Not sure. That's why I am still huntin' dragons.

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I don't understand the reasons why people think gleam is bad.

And I no longer think Wilgy is bad either.
I'm a little nervous about the gleam wagon, but more nervous about the Ika one. For me, Gleam's speculation about Wilgy and MP's host action was very bizarre, and makes me distrust him.
Can you give me a link to what you're talking about?

I'm watching the Magic somehow lose to the Lakers.

Yes. This.

agleaminranks wrote:Also, can we discuss the fact that Socky used his one-time power last night? I see a tie between Wilgy and Diiny, and yet only Diiny gets arrested. I'm wondering if Socky's power was the ability to save a teammate, or to manipulate the votes in such a fashion that Diiny was the one to get arrested.

Diiny was the Sockface famiglia traitor. I'm wondering if Sock saw that one of his two of his underlings were about to get lynched, and chose the one who could possibly defect to take the fall.

I'm thinking about it more, and I think in that case, Wilgy is a civ, and a SockCiv at that.

Also, I see you lurkin, Turnip Head. What's up?

Epignosis wrote:
I don't understand the reasons why people think gleam is bad.

And I no longer think Wilgy is bad either.

I'm a little nervous about the gleam wagon, but more nervous about the Ika one. For me, Gleam's speculation about Wilgy and MP's host action was very bizarre, and makes me distrust him.

Mongoose wrote:Gleam has really come into his own in mafia! I feel so proud.

Yes, let's kill him.

This thread seems to have become a less pleasant place since I was last here. I'll check in again in the morning.

DrWilgy wrote:EVERYONE!!

Can we please start specifying the difference between NK and arrested? If they are different game states (which I think is the case), shit is going to get really confusing down the road if we keep using them interchangeably. Let's not make the game more difficult than needed :P

No.

DrWilgy wrote:I'm seeing theories suggesting I'm a sock.

Everyone, am I a handsome sock or a beautiful daisy?

Or a cop. Don't forget that possibility.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I don't think MP is the type to modkill people for using the wrong color on accident.

It wasn't though. To use the right color, you can click the "OT" button in the message editor.

There is no predicting what MP will modkill for. It could be literally anything.

So why did Daisy use her one time power last night, then Smartypantsintheranks?

Silverwolf wrote:Also, if ika doesn't do anything D2, he should be lynched.

Do you think his inactivity makes him likely to be a cop?

St. George is here!

Dragon D. Luffy

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Day 2 will be starting as soon as possible. Just trying to sort through everything here. Thanks for your patience!
What patience?

I always wanted wanted to be a doctor, but I didn't have the patients.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Pretty poorly. I don't feel the least bit antagonized.

Rats. I shall have to try harder.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
RadicalFuzz wrote:Wilgy I think you were spinning my silence to be more than it was. "He didn't respond to me for X hours" is a valid statement, but in the context of the knowledge that I was preoccupied it means almost nothing. I'll give you abnormality though, weird is weird.

Zebra what is your general strategy going to be in this game?
What is your general strategy going to be in this game?

And before you ask, I don't have one.

Mine is to be antagonistic. How'm I doing?

a2thezebra wrote:Ask me something and you shall receive answers.

Who are you voting for? Who are six people you won't vote for?

a2thezebra wrote:These are some tough calls.

Fluff. The illusion of participation. Come on zebra, you're better than that.

Matt wrote:Anyway all, gots to get ready for work.

I'll leave with a question for DDL, though...

Why do you think my and Golden's argument is a waste of time?

Because he's a cop.

Matt wrote:Golden, if you are civ, would you see Llama's defense of you as a baddie buddying, or as a civ just agreeing with you that my accusations are outlandish?

Yeah, Golden. I'm still waiting for a "thank you", by the ay.

Scotty wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Matt wrote: Here's a new challenge. We're all up to date. Does anyone else in the game currently have six players they won't vote for? You don't even have to say who, just yes or no.
Llama
Scotty
Chaindeath
Mongoose
Marmot
Epi
What makes you trust me? And chaindeath? Why him?

It was actually your very first post. I can't see a cop posting this:

Scotty wrote:I find it kind of silly that even our own Don doesn't know who the police are. I mean, they got badges and blue costumes and such. Why is this so hard?

As for chaindeath, I thought he was being scapegoated early for no reason, so I want to avoid voting for him until I have a good reason.

Matt wrote: Linki - Lol Llama. Pick one more. You don't count. :P

Okay, I guess I'm feeling pretty good about Golden right now. He has fended off your attacks admirably.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Matt wrote: Here's a new challenge. We're all up to date. Does anyone else in the game currently have six players they won't vote for? You don't even have to say who, just yes or no.
Llama
Scotty
Chaindeath
Mongoose
Marmot
Epi
How does one decide not to vote for Marmot early in the game?

I could take 15 day phases reading marmot's posts and still have no read whether to read him as good or bad.

Well, I already voted for him, so I got it out of my system.

Matt wrote: Here's a new challenge. We're all up to date. Does anyone else in the game currently have six players they won't vote for? You don't even have to say who, just yes or no.

Llama
Scotty
Chaindeath
Mongoose
Marmot
Epi

Matt wrote:Seriously, for real, anyone who disagrees with me...

Take some time, pick a starting point in the game (anywhere is fine), read for 11 straight minutes, and tell me which six voters you think are good to go.

Anyone up for the challenge?

I could do it in 9 minutes, so I side with Golden.

RadicalFuzz wrote:Apologies llama, I'm not very familiar with the way ties are handled on other sites. What is the normal result of two players tying for the lynch?

At the Syndicate, most of the time it is decided randomly between the two players with the most votes. I have also seen no lynches happen in case of ties once or twice, but that seems to have fallen out of fashion. I don't remember ever playing a game where both parties were lynched.

RadicalFuzz wrote: Gleam makes a good point. The normal result of players tying for a lynch vote would be both of them dying, no?

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Um... no. In what universe has that ever been true?

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote: If humans were perfect, this game would be impossible.
I'm perfect. Are you?
Well, I'm sick right now, and I consider that apersonal moral failing, so I guess not.

Who is a cop, Epi? Is it Dragon? (hint: yes)
As of this point, I'd say Wilgy, and if Wilgy is bad, gleam is with him after that wild speculation in defense of Wilgy.

I agree that that gleam post is really suspect. It's extremely wild speculation for no good reason, and improbable to boot. It seems unlikely to me that Sockface would use his one time power to choose which of his people to let die, when he might be able to use it at alater point to prevent the death of one of his people altogether. Gleam assumes a lot, and you know how I feel about assumptions.

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote: If humans were perfect, this game would be impossible.
I'm perfect. Are you?

Well, I'm sick right now, and I consider that apersonal moral failing, so I guess not.

Who is a cop, Epi? Is it Dragon? (hint: yes)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:So my main conclusion from catching up is that Dragon is most definitely a cop. He gave himself away early by complaining that it is too hard for the cops to win.

I'm comin' for you, Dragon. Prepare yourself.
When did this happen Llama? I'll double check when I'm less busy, but if you site the source that would be helpful.
It starts here, and continues with an increasingly testy exchange. Reeks of frustration.
I explained it in the same page you linked, but since you apparently didn't understand, let me explain again:

I will take every chance I get at understanding what our enemies are doing. It's how I like to play the game. The more info we have on the cops, the better.

I noticed, by looking at the setup, that the cops don't have a reliable way of killing the dons. I see two explanations for that:

1- The game is unbalanced and the hosts fucked up.
2- There is some game mechanic the hosts are hiding from us, which allows the cops or someone else (like the opposing dons) from disposing of the dons.

I never assume the game is unbalanced. Because it probably isn't, and if it is, this discussion it's pointless. Therefore, it's probably 2. And if that's the case, I want to seculate on what 2 might be.

If you wanna lynch me for that, go ahead. But know that what you're doing is basically a witch hunt: you are lynching people for seeking information. I will not accept ignorance just for the sake of looking less like a cop.

And saying my post about Sloonei is a cop out is ridiculous. If that logic applies, any accusation from anyone to anyone could be considered a cop out. I'm perfectly capable of dealing with multiple problems at once, including hunting scum and responding to your accusations.

Well, you might as well call me St. George. Because I'm huntin' dragons.

DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:So my main conclusion from catching up is that Dragon is most definitely a cop. He gave himself away early by complaining that it is too hard for the cops to win.

I'm comin' for you, Dragon. Prepare yourself.
When did this happen Llama? I'll double check when I'm less busy, but if you site the source that would be helpful.
It starts here, and continues with an increasingly testy exchange. Reeks of frustration.
I can actually get behind this. The only question I have for tgis subject is, if DDL is a frustrated cop, wouldn't he take it to btsc ratger than the main thread?

Maybe, but it wouldn't be the first time a mafia member has let btsc feelings spill over into the thread. If humans were perfect, this game would be impossible.

Sloonei wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:SVS makes a good point on Sloonei, his flip-flopping is weird.
Flip-flopping? Am I not allowed to change my opinion at any point? I guess I'll just stick with my initial gut reads and ride them out til the end of the game.

What, you mean Dragon is opportunistically seizing on a weak point to draw attention away from himself? Sounds like a cop to me.

DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:So my main conclusion from catching up is that Dragon is most definitely a cop. He gave himself away early by complaining that it is too hard for the cops to win.

I'm comin' for you, Dragon. Prepare yourself.
When did this happen Llama? I'll double check when I'm less busy, but if you site the source that would be helpful.

It starts here, and continues with an increasingly testy exchange. Reeks of frustration.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Not sure if serious or just llama.

Seriouser'n you.

So my main conclusion from catching up is that Dragon is most definitely a cop. He gave himself away early by complaining that it is too hard for the cops to win.

I'm comin' for you, Dragon. Prepare yourself.

Well, I'm sick as a dog, btu at least I'm back in town. The good news is I'm taking the day off work, so hopefully I should be able to catch up. The bad news is that I have 18 pages of reading to do.

Hey gang,
Just checking in to say hi. I'm out of town right now and won't really be able to do much until Sunday night, but I want you to know tha I am here and excited!

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