The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote: I don't understand what you think FZ would have to gain by saying anything about it if she knew it would happen.

I don't know. I just think it's weird.

DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Does anyone else think it's weird that FZ's comment about the night kill came less than four minutes before the night kill? Coincidence?
Sounds to me like ..... speculation.

Speculation requires a statement. I just asked a question. However, there is exactly one person in this game who knew at what time Boomslang would be killed.

Does anyone else think it's weird that FZ's comment about the night kill came less than four minutes before the night kill? Coincidence?

FZ. wrote: This is disgraceful. I think your baddie hunting skills are awful

Tell that to Snowman.

DharmaHelper wrote:
You got two people who can't be lynched lynched. Awesome.
And the award for Head Up The Ass comment of the year goes to...

More insults. It's this kind of class that makes your arguments so convincing.

DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:If people want me to vote for someone other than FZ, MAKE A FRIGGIN CASE. Quit just saying "don't vote for her." YOu have to give a more plausible alternative. Why does no one understand that except Epi? SHow me who the bad guys are and I will listen, but just being denialists is not going to chance anyone's mind.
I have explained suspicions on Black Rock and Bass. So, there's that.

I went back and reread these. I don't really get your Bass suspicion but you make some good points about Black Rock. I will be looking into her posts in depth tomorrow.

Turnip Head wrote:
thellama73 wrote:If people want me to vote for someone other than FZ, MAKE A FRIGGIN CASE. Quit just saying "don't vote for her." YOu have to give a more plausible alternative. Why does no one understand that except Epi? SHow me who the bad guys are and I will listen, but just being denialists is not going to chance anyone's mind.
I've literally done this for days. You wanted to lynch FZ a few days ago, I worked on getting MM lynched instead. Yesterday you wanted to vote for FZ, I made a case on Mata instead and got her lynched. None of that mattered because you still want to lynch FZ today. I gave in for a second and impulsively voted for her, but even since then, I and others have made a case on Bass being Mikami.

So don't act like we haven't been doing this.

You got two people who can't be lynched lynched. Awesome.

If people want me to vote for someone other than FZ, MAKE A FRIGGIN CASE. Quit just saying "don't vote for her." YOu have to give a more plausible alternative. Why does no one understand that except Epi? SHow me who the bad guys are and I will listen, but just being denialists is not going to chance anyone's mind.

Turnip Head wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Maybe FZ still doesn't want to waste a lynch on a detective because in her heart of hearts she's genuinely interested in lynching baddies. Ever consider that, Llama?
As I said already, we will waste far more time if we keep having this conversation every day than if the lynch fails as she predicts and we move on.
The only reason we keep having to have this conversation everyday is because you and Epi won't let it go regardless of what else is happening in the game. You and Epi are the ones forcing that. You're the ones who can't move on.

I will move on when, and only when, we see how an FZ lynch turns out.

linki: You assume incorrectly.

Turnip Head wrote:Suggesting a detective should peacefully succumb to her fate. That's a good laugh, Llama. Thanks for that.

Yes, her fate of NOT BEING LYNCHED. Unless of course, she's lying, which I think she is.

Turnip Head wrote:Maybe FZ still doesn't want to waste a lynch on a detective because in her heart of hearts she's genuinely interested in lynching baddies. Ever consider that, Llama?

As I said already, we will waste far more time if we keep having this conversation every day than if the lynch fails as she predicts and we move on.

Listen, here's the thing. FZ said before that the reason she fought so hard against being lynched is that she didn't want to be outed to the baddies. Well, she's already outed. She outed herself. If she's telling the truth, she has no more reason to fear a lynch. Yet she is still trying to wriggle out of it. I'm sure she will say that she doesn't want the waste of time that comes with a failed lynch, but how much more time will be wasted if she doesn't get lynched and we continue to talk about her tomorrow, and they day after that, and the day after that?

If FZ were telling the truth, she would peacefully succumb to herfate and be glad for the fresh start tomorrow. FZ has not done that, so I deduce that she is not telling the truth.

FZ. wrote:I really hate how Epi and llama are so tunnel visioned they are not even contributing anything to the discussion. Okay, I get it, you think I'm bad, you want me lynched. Move on, talk about other things as well. Let's pretend it's just in case you die, okay?

Maybe the things I have to say are largely contingent on how this lynch turns out. Or maybe you just want us to discuss other people to minimize your own chance of getting lynched. I'm happy to put a pin in this discussion until we see how you flip.

I'm still baffled as to why people are listening to the two known death gods.

FZ. wrote: llama, other than lynching me, do you have anything that is actually productive to say?

Maybe.

Turnip Head wrote:I would ask that no one else vote for FZ unless they are absolutely convinced of her guilt. Better places to put your vote would be on Bass, or even myself. MM gave me a great idea. I would love to be lynched today and have my role revealed, so that I could gain BTSC with L. I have much I would like to discuss with him. There is much he needs to know.

linki: No FZ, that would not be in his favor. I doubt MM can win with the detectives. He most likely just has extra win conditions to fulfill in addition to a Kira victory. He will never help us.

I would ask that nobody take their advice from a friggin' SHinigami.

Why is anyone listening to lynching advice from a death god?

Three.

MovingPictures07 wrote:You had a turn, didn't you? :P

Eh, I don't really care anymore. Just answer, whoever. Lol.

I was hoping you would forget.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 15:
How many members of the Japanese Task Force are currently alive?

Four.

Busy day today. I'm voting FZ. I hope everyone else will listen to reason and follow me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Metalmarsh89 may still answer a question.

Llama, no, it is not. I just wanted to see how people would react to that one.

That's exactly what you would say if it were Mulholland Drive though.

This is starting to feel like an INH game.

MP, is this really Mulholland Drive?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 11:
How many different ways are there for Yotsuba members to gain BTSC with one another?

Three.

Epignosis wrote:I have a lynch suggestion. Wasn't real popular last time. Willing to try again.

I'm still with you buddy. I think L's note is quite clear, which means Mata has a couple of days reprieve. I'd say her days are numbered though.

So who's up for an FZ lynch this time?

DharmaHelper wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Is Dp usually this quiet during games?
Yes.

I tried to lynch him for it, like, my first seven games in a row.

I fully agree that this lynch makes Mata look bad. Real bad.

FZ. wrote:Why don't one of the really clever people tell me what to answer?

Answer four.

DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Hey guys I have a question. Can we please lynch FZ tomorrow? I find it suspicious she escapes lynches day after day after day.
Matahari escaped this lynch, in case you were wondering.

I am aware of that.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Hey guys I have a question. Can we please lynch FZ tomorrow? I find it suspicious she escapes lynches day after day after day.
Sure, I'll join you if you're so desperate. I'm not enjoying playing with you either :P

Rico, what's the difference?

You wound me, FZ. I have said before that you are one of my favorite people to play with, and I stand by that. I love playing mafia with you. But does that mean I should keep you alive when I think you are bad?

Hey guys I have a question. Can we please lynch FZ tomorrow? I find it suspicious she escapes lynches day after day after day.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
The Sockface Death Note Mafia Trivia Game Show
Question 3:
How many players have already satisfied their win conditions?

0

Four.

Holy god I cannot believe I missed the vote! I blame gin. How I love you, dark mistress, but how bad you are.

Perestroika.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:FZ, in Epi's latest long post he points out that if we lynch you and you are an unlynchable civ nothing will happen. If you're a Kira though the Death Note will be forced out of your hands. I know this seems like a dumb question but why fight so hard and make yourself miserable if the worst thing that can happen if you're civ is nothing?
What if she is a lynchable civ?

Then she did herself no favors by claiming to be unlynchable.

FZ. wrote:
juliets wrote:FZ, in Epi's latest long post he points out that if we lynch you and you are an unlynchable civ nothing will happen. If you're a Kira though the Death Note will be forced out of your hands. I know this seems like a dumb question but why fight so hard and make yourself miserable if the worst thing that can happen if you're civ is nothing?
I don't want to fight it, they are just getting on my nerves because they think they are sooooooooooo clever when in fact, they couldn't be farther from the truth, so I find myself arguing with them. I'm sorry that other than fighting for them, I'm actually trying to lynch those I think are baddies. I think I've just said some very good things about Mata, but they're just foolishly ignoring it. A part of me wishes they do lynch me and will then have to face the truth. But the part of me that wants to win the game, doesn't want to wast another lynch. I thought that's how we're supposed to play the game.

linki: okay

I do think I'm really clever, but it has nothing to do with this game. That's a separate issue.

thellama73 wrote: There's no way you would be defending yourself this hard if you had an unlynchable role. No way. This smacks of desperation.

juliets wrote:FZ, in Epi's latest long post he points out that if we lynch you and you are an unlynchable civ nothing will happen. If you're a Kira though the Death Note will be forced out of your hands. I know this seems like a dumb question but why fight so hard and make yourself miserable if the worst thing that can happen if you're civ is nothing?

That was exactly the point I made. But FZ got mad at me when I said it.

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Flashbacks to Film Directors, where I spent two days trying to get Ricochet to say he wasn't bad. He wouldn't, and he was bad.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote: linki: Are you satisfied llama?
You told me who you are voting for, you didn't tell me who I should vote for, so no.
Haha, what? Are you looking for someone to place the blame on if she comes out good?

No, I am seeing how long it takes to get you to answer a very simple question.

FZ. wrote: linki: Are you satisfied llama?

You told me who you are voting for, you didn't tell me who I should vote for, so no.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote:For crying out loud, I was suspected early on and backed off because it wasn't convenient to pick on me. When someone who seems legit by the players goes after me, the crowd follows. We already know some of them were probably civvies

Vote for whoever you want. Last time I encouraged people to vote for the person I thought was more bad, it turned out I saved a baddie
I am trying to give you an out and you are not taking it. Who should I vote for if not you?
I don't need an out, have you not been listening to me?
I gave you my thoughts on people, and where my vote may possibly go. I'm not even sold on you being good and I'm definitely not taking any responsibility for your vote. Vote for whoever you damn please

Why won't you say who you think I should vote for?

FZ. wrote:For crying out loud, I was suspected early on and backed off because it wasn't convenient to pick on me. When someone who seems legit by the players goes after me, the crowd follows. We already know some of them were probably civvies

Vote for whoever you want. Last time I encouraged people to vote for the person I thought was more bad, it turned out I saved a baddie

I am trying to give you an out and you are not taking it. Who should I vote for if not you?

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
FZ. wrote:One last thing. When I come out civ, at the end of the game (not now, obviously), just admit that you were wrong, and don't make it look like you were really clever and trying to get me lynched because you weren't a detective, okay? Because I don't believe you're that good of a baddie
FZ, do you think I should vote for you today or someone else. If someone else, who?
Do you really care what I think? If you are a civvie and don't want to waste a vote, don't vote for me. If you're not, do.
And I don't know. You're thoughts on Mata are based on the fact that she hasn't voted for me. Since I'm not bad, that is a stupid reason. Like I said, the fact that she now wants to vote for me should be the reason to think she's bad, because to me, it could be a sign that she realized I'm telling the truth and does not have a need to keep me unlynched.

Of course I care what you think. But you didn't really answer my question. Are you saying I should vote for Mata?

Found it!

thellama73 wrote:Here's something else I want to say about FZ. Something that's been bothering me. The following quotes are from Day 2.

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I came into today feeling pretty much the same about FZ as I did before. When she is a civ, regardless of the thread output, she is fearless, poking people and speaking her mind. Calling people out for all kinds of things. This game, not so much. When she finally does suspect someone strongly enought to commit to it (kinda) it is someone she suspects for basically the same reasons she herself is suspoect.
It is rare that you and I agree, especially on a suspect with matching reasons.

bea wrote: She feels a bit over defensive at being looked at too. I've never heard her say that there was too much discussion going on before this game. Here or on her own site. She's usually the one trying to get people to talk more.

Zomberella12 wrote:About FZ, I don't like that she called me out, it was weird. But I really want her to be a civ because she is an awesome civ! I've only played one game with her though. I will have to take what SVS and bea say about her into consideration because they know her playstyle much better than I do.

Matahari wrote: I am still wary of FZ, she raised points about Bea's posts that were good examples of her own style of posting. But at this point, I'm so weary of the manipulating nit-pickers that I'm probably going to vote one of them. They seem badder by the minute.

DharmaHelper wrote: FZ. vs Bea - Bea is like this a lot, but she's also very good at doing what she does and being bad. FZ has struck me so far as moderately more suspect than the people she is bringing up.

Made wrote: Right now, I'm at a vote for FZ or TH. I have yet to read much of anything from snowman. What's the general case on Snowman?

Elohcin wrote:I've never seen such a desparate FZ. It's odd.
You had eight players, not counting me, mentioning at least some suspicion on FZ. In fact, at the time I thought it all seemed too easy. I got nervous and backed off her, because I thought too many people were ready to hop onto the bandwagon for her to be bad. Yet when the votes came in not a single person voted for FZ. Of course, that was also the day she helped lead the charge against BWT who, I need not remind you, was a Yotsuba (not too many feathers on either side ruffled by that lynch. Convenient.)

I am now wondering if some people were playing along with the suspicion by paying lip service to it, but never really had any intention of voting for her. It seems weird to me, and is another reason why I plan to vote for her today.

Yeah, a lot of people suspected FZ early and then backed off of her. That is one of the reasons I suspect her now. Hang on, I'll dig it up.

FZ. wrote:One last thing. When I come out civ, at the end of the game (not now, obviously), just admit that you were wrong, and don't make it look like you were really clever and trying to get me lynched because you weren't a detective, okay? Because I don't believe you're that good of a baddie

FZ, do you think I should vote for you today or someone else. If someone else, who?

juliets wrote:Well, firefox crashed and i can't find the page in history. It's ok, I'll just start over after i finish my coffee. I usually can find it if the page flips but for whatever reason not this time.

Your... juliets coffee?

FZ's words sound genuine to me, but her actions make no sense as a civvie, and as Anthony Burgess wrote "Enough of words. Actions speak louder than. Action now!" If in fact she is bad, though, she's turning in one hell of a performance.

If you were unlynchable, why would you say "don't lynch me, I'm unlynchable" ? It doesn't make any sense. MM and TH just absorbed the lynch and have largely been left alone ever since. If FZ had such a role, why wouldn't she follow their lead? FZ has been very passionate and convincing in her defense, but I am just not buying it. The behavior doesn't add up with what would make sense.

Ricochet wrote:

Can anyone else makes sense of what Llama said? These are the revelant parts from his initial and subsequent statements.

thellama73 wrote:There's no way you would be defending yourself this hard if you had an unlynchable role

thellama73 wrote:I don't think she would be defending so hard if she were Mello or Near or a Shinigami.

thellama73 wrote:She was hinting at an unlynchable role. I do not think she has an unlynchable role, like Near or Mello or a Shinigami.
The initial statement made me believe he's excluding FZ. from being any unlynchable role whatsoever. Prompting me to ask him if he thinks she's a bad role that can be lynched (most obvious example being Mikami).

In the second statement, however, he's excluding FZ. just from possibly being one of two detectives or one of the Shinigamis.

In the third statement he apparently states only two detectives and the entire class of Shinigami qualify as unlynchable roles for him. Both the second and third statements prompting me to inquire what about Higuchi and what his theory of the possible current outcome of lynching Light and/or Misa might be.

thellama73 wrote:I don't know whether a lynch of Light or Misa would go through, but I think a player with such a role would be more afraid of being lynched and found out than a civ or Shinigami.
This part I understand better and could agree with.

Light and Misa are not unlynchable roles. They are conditionally lynchable. Stop deliberately misunderstanding me.

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