The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

FZ. wrote:llama, why did you vote Golden?

And what's up with Wilgy's vote? Do you have anything more to say than that joke post?

As far as I can glean, he voted me for calling Fuzz my top civilian read, before Fuzz was nked.

FZ. wrote:llama, why did you vote Golden?

And what's up with Wilgy's vote? Do you have anything more to say than that joke post?

HamburgerBoy wrote:Just read over the rest of the last two pages and I'm leaning against voting Jimmy now, especially in light of Dom jumping onto that. I'll vote thellama73 instead because I don't want to split things further, but I'll have more thorough reasons against at least a top 3 of suspects later. Mac is looking pretty scummy to me right now as well. I just arrived at work and don't need to get caught up in a big argument or post-search already.

Golden wrote: Exactly JJ. This is what I've been saying from the start.

The idea that RadicalFuzz 'couldn't be lynched' is kind of silly anyway. He was taking heat on day zero. I call him my top civ read and suddenly a whole lot of people bandwagon on to that on their rainbows, but beyond me I never saw anyone give reasons for seeing him as civ.

And, as per the point I've been making all game.

SAYING YOU READ SOMEONE AS CIV IS NOT THE SAME THING AS BUDDYING. To claim it is, is utterly disingenuous. Llama just called JJ civ, does that mean (since he says that only mafia people buddy) that I should call llama confirmed mafia, because only mafia buddy? Because, thats where llamas logic takes you.

And it is actually ridiculous to suggest people should not say they read people as civ. If we took this approach, the town would literally never win the game.

Golden wrote:Every person going after JJ I lean bad on. Llama and Long Con particularly so, but MM also to some extent. The only one that is only mild ping at this point is dom.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dom wrote:It also seemed like a shot at Bea, tbh.

I wouldn't dream of that! I love bea, she's probably the kindest person I've seen on the whole Internet (and I do hope she is able to get through her difficulties in short order). I have no intention of taking a shot at anyone, y'all are super cool kats.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Now, would it make sense for you to kill Fuzz after this? Probably not, but if there are multiple killers as there appear to be after last night, it wouldn't surprise me if you were one of them.

How do these three sentences make sense together? If it "probably wouldn't" make sense for Golden to kill the object of his proposed malevolent buddying, then why wouldn't it surprise you if he was one of the killers (Fuzz being among the dead)?

RadicalFuzz wrote:

Golden wrote:But yeah, I was talking in the theoretical because I am in particular one of those who would criticise people voting off wagon without much explanation, and so I think talking through Fuzz's perspective is helpful for me to understand him.

Fuzz is my strongest town read right now.

Explain something to me. How can I, with my reasoning for voting Llama literally attributed to "I'm following the guy who can only speak in smileys," be your strongest town read when in the same post you claim you would criticize people voting off wagon without much explanation?

Fair enough Marsh. You realize, then, that if we're going to operate on the possibility of separate scum teams that catching scum provides very little credibility, correct?

RadicalFuzz wrote:I might've not said hypothetical or theoretical when referring to "2 wagons" in my short conversation with Golden, or maybe he didn't, mostly irrelevant and we've cleared up the confusion.

Yeah, that in addition to his compliments unnerve me. The entire chain of events feels like:
"Fuzz I like how you think"
"Fuzz engage me in this conversation"
"Fuzz is my strongest town read, I wanted to get his perspective to understand where he's coming from"

Now, I love my name being thrown around like hot potato, that's not the issue, but it feels like an accelerated process. Even taking into account the fact that "strongest town read" is a fickle thing on Day 1 this trust Golden has built feels artificially quickened, if that makes sense.

RadicalFuzz wrote:So he compliments people with the intent to legitimately compliment them? That bugs me, one of my pet peeves is feeling manipulated when people say nice things about me. That's why I prefer people to suspect me, I know where their mindset is.

Matt wrote: Llama - Are you still suspicious of Mac or have you completely dropped it now that the two of you have successfully helped get sig lynched? MacD, what's your read of Llama?

Golden wrote:

thellama73 wrote:The RadicalFzz kill was obviously because so many people were calling him a definite civ. Today I intend to look at those who were eager to paint a target on his back.

Bullsuit.

Voting llama

I was waiting to see who ran that argument first. I find it much more likely that RadicalFuzz would be killed by someone who wanted to run that argument. I was wondering if it might be DH. I've never been part of any mafia team that has talked about killing someone because others are reading them as civ, nor have I ever hosted a mafia team having that discussion.

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Something that's interesting is that you and Lorab had the same number of votes day 1 Llama.

Would what you said about her also apply to you?

Obviously not because I know I am, civ.

A comma would have help this statement go from suspicious lie-detector tricking to a more reasonable read.

DrWilgy wrote:Something that's interesting is that you and Lorab had the same number of votes day 1 Llama.

Would what you said about her also apply to you?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I don't really have an opinion on Lorab at this point. I haven't found the case on her compelling. But I have noticed that sometimes when a person keeps getting almost-lynched and avoiding it, they turn out to be bad.

Sometimes < half the time ==> more often then not, players that almost get lynched multiple times in one game turn out to be civilian.

RadicalFuzz wrote:But, Llama, is the universe not ever expanding, and thus there will always be more to colonize?

The on-topic conversation between us about credit is going nowhere Llama, let's just drop it.

Wilgy you tease me so.

Golden wrote:If humanity survives until the sun envelopes the earth then we will already have colonised other solar systems, and it will not be the end of humanity as we know it, only the end of the earth, therefore Mac is scum.

HamburgerBoy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

HamburgerBoy wrote:RIP sig, sorry to see that you were town.

Now we just need to make sure that the wave of bandwagoners doesn't stay set in their ways and go back to LoRab again.

Also, the sig flip, taken together with other things, seems to strongly imply there were two intended nightkills night 1, and that DFaraday's death may have been due to something weird/unrelated.

Back?

People have been rumbling about LoRab for a while now, and she still managed a few votes day 1. Considering how many people just showed up to pile on sig, I think there's a decent chance of that happening to LoRab tomorrow if people don't broaden their horizons a bit.

RadicalFuzz wrote:Naturally, then, you're going to accept credit for your failures as well Llama?

RadicalFuzz wrote:You were talking about how the flip would affect your credibility before the flip. And, lo and behold, it was a moot question.

RadicalFuzz wrote: Scumhunting has much less value when the thread believes there to be multiple scum teams. And with Zebra being what seems to be the "primary" kill last night, the possibility of multiple scum teams is significant. Why, then, are you focusing on the credit you'll get if someone flips scum as opposed to if he'll flip scum at all?

sig wrote:ha told you I was a civ


Thanks for the game SVS and TH.

sig wrote:Also don't forget I was unable to vote day 1, Llama tried to get me lynched this is connected.

MacDougall wrote:

FZ. wrote:Sorry, I'm going to sleep.


linki: so you think Lorab is a good vote? Why so? Damn you, I want to sleep

Nobody is as good a vote as sig.

I'd like to think I have a good grip on scum sig. I called him out as scum correctly in Dune and in West Wing.

I'm not so sure about my initial LoRab read anymore. She's not pinging me so much.

FZ. wrote:Never mind, you can all manage without me. Good night.

sig wrote:Boomslang gave that as a reason as did Wilgy.

sig wrote: 2. I disagree here, the chances of lynching a baddie day 1 is so small, getting an unkillable confirmed civ is better then maybe possibly lynching a baddie day 1. I think it is scummy for people to say it would have been better to lynch a baddie.

sig wrote:DH used a smile he must be mafia case closed.



Kinda stupid isn't it? That is at least two people's reasons or a portion of their reasons for voting me.

sig wrote:So zebra was mafia, that most likely means JJJ wasn't on her team. I did see the idea that she picked him, but this makes little sense for day 1. I think it is worth looking into the players who after Rico flipped made comments, like saying how they hope he isn't as spammy or it would be better to have lynched a baddie. I find the first group to almost be trying to weaken Rico's credit thus giving him less of an opinion and basically neutering him, and the second group to just be scummy.

I think a few mafia members were on the Rico wagon, however I also think there is a good chance that either LoRab or Llama are scum.

I don't have many civ or scum reads right know, but I do think Long Con is a civilian, and I'm leaning scum on Llama. Know here is my question do you think the early snipping that Llama and Zebra did was fabricated? It was only a little bit, but I'm curious what people think of it.

I think with Zebra's lynch it also makes it less likely that Mac is on her team.

One last thing, if Roger Rabbit was a civ role last game wouldn't it be odd for it to be a scum role this game? Could this be some sort of seemer/prankster thing? Remember Night 0 scum was able to do actions in theory they could have targeted Zebra and then killed her today. This could be a seemer role where it replaces the scum who used it, just switched the alignment, or let the seemer pick a role.
I think the chances of this are low, but then again the chances of hitting a mafia night 1 is also small.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Cool well as long as llama willfully ignores me I'm gonna go ahead and continue trying to guide him to the guillotine.

Could you clarify why you thought/think that he cursed you?

I don't know whether llama did that. Maybe llama has team mates.

I was a threat to nobody on Night 0, being so vocally detached and lazy as I was. I made exactly one case against someone that was remotely substantive, that being llama. Llama addressed some posts in the general vicinity of that case, but never responded to anything I said. At any point. The next day I was posting in emoticons. Maybe there's a connection. Even if not, his ignorance of me is clearly deliberate at this point and I don't think town llama has any reason to ignore me. I've done nothing to insult him in any prior game, and I have not been a significant part of this game's torrent pace -- so I haven't annoyed him either. All I've done is cast suspicion upon him, both in the form of Night 0 text and Day 1 emojis.

He hasn't given me the time of day. I think he should become dead as soon as possible.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey llama, you were almost certainly aware of my beef with you on Night 0 (you acknowledged other posts in the same vicinity), but never even acknowledged my existence. Then on Day 1 I made it as clear as possible under the circumstances that I wanted your attention and you still ignored me. Why?

a2thezebra wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.

Would you prefer to have his vote and no knowledge of his alignment?

I wouldn't.

Nor would I.

Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

RadicalFuzz wrote:Faraday when you say I read civvie so you're not pinged by my "strange alignment comments" what comments are you referring to?

Oh thank god he wasn't just being a giant idiot.

Llama, explain how we "lost a civilian?" His unkillable role from which he literally can't be targeted and will therefore be able to advise as a mod-confirmed civilian for the everlasting future of the game is an unfavorable outcome? I honestly think this went better than lynching scum Day 1, as Rico would surely be lynched later down the line for his actions up to this point.

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Golden wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I am annoyed that there is no Latin llama option on the poll. I am also annoyed that we both lost a civilian and still have to put up with Rico's nonsense.

Why would you assume rico would still post nonsense? I guess we have lost a civilian but on the flip side we've gained a useful resource. Rico is, I think, one of the best analysts of the game and from his position he could definitely help the town win. I think that is a good outcome.

Past behavior tends to be a predictor of future behavior. I'll admit that I haven't yet read what he has posted after his death, so perhaps I misjudge him. Anyway, not a great lynch result, I would argue.

I would say its not the best outcome, but it is far from a bad one. Now Rico's energy will (hopefully, otherwise I'll just tune him out) be focused on finding baddies rather than getting himself lynched.

Golden wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I am annoyed that there is no Latin llama option on the poll. I am also annoyed that we both lost a civilian and still have to put up with Rico's nonsense.

Why would you assume rico would still post nonsense? I guess we have lost a civilian but on the flip side we've gained a useful resource. Rico is, I think, one of the best analysts of the game and from his position he could definitely help the town win. I think that is a good outcome.

sig wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:I am going to work now, changing my vote from Boomslang to Llama, for a more relevant opinion. I'm totally cool with Blue Eye being lynched though. He just scares me so I'm staying away.

If I vote Llama, will the triple voter in your team do the same and save me?

If you really want to save yourself I'd switch and hope two others join to tie it.

I don't see the Lorab wagon at all I'd suggest the people on it switch to llama

@HB I would eat Llama, but I think it would give me indigestion

Ricochet wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Sorry, I don't have a golden decoder.

Why llama disappoints mafia?

How am I doing?

Ricochet wrote:I will not be voting for llama, even if I have to pay with my life. He is my friend.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I think zebra just wants to show up on top of my lynch pile, so he'll claim he took a hard, last minute decision and look civvier.

she?

Long Con wrote:Llama, I noticed that when Golden brought it up earlier. Mac never specifically denied being bad, he just said MM would find any evidence of it. Depends on how unwaveringly honest you think Mac is intent on being. The implication here is that he didn't want to lie about his baddieness, he preferred to flaunt it instead? "Mwa ha ha, you will NEVER find the evidence you need to defeat Me! Foolish Civ!"

Is this like A Few Good Men, where Col. Jessup wanted to claim proud responsibility for the Code Red?

Like when you attacked sig for his use of the word "interesting", among other things, this feels to me like you are opportunistically jumping on things to cast suspicion on people... as opposed to stating a genuine suspicion. Like a predator that senses weakness.