The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have already gone through Scotty's posts. I would consider voting there based on my analysis, although the Wilgy business gives me pause.

Thankfully no one silenced me, so I am able to examine everybody else I am considering voting. Once again, I'll take Lady Edith's advice and begin there.

Lady Edith is gravely mistaken about me, and I hope to show it to you.

And Edith implied that I'm not very good or experienced, so it would appear we both have a grievance with her ladyship.

Well, that's certainly an opinion I don't share. The fact that you are good and experienced makes me distrust you.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

Can't blame spacedaisy for bad lynches anymore, so you're blaming me.

You voted DFaraday, Bubbles, spacedaisy, so that's three for you, Bucko.

The main difference is that you are bad and I am not, though.

I'm dismayed at the number of people who are like "oops, okay, well Ika tomorrow" as you continue to let Epi lead you wherever he wants to.

I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

Scotty wrote:Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.

Epignosis would be a good place to look.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

Because Elohcin, when handing out roles for this game, randomly selected you to be a member of the mafia. That's why.

Epignosis wrote:There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

Epignosis wrote:That's the devil's argument.

You should like it. It will make the mafia less likely to kill you when you are civ.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

sig wrote:Why do you think that Llama?


Matt your idea is odd, I'm mafia with Daisy since we were Pming about OT stuff? Are you mafia trying to set me up?

I'm going to look into Ika and see what I can dig up, I've got a weird gut read on him.

I have played a lot of games with Epi, and this game he seems to be very coldly calculating. Usually his calculations lead to baddie lynches, but they haven't this game. Call it a hunch, but I just don't feel good about him.

You think so?
I've seen Epi be wrong probably just as much as he's right.

Oh sure, he's wrong a lot, but he also has one f the better hit rates of civilian players. He also almost always gets night killed as a civilian. I think he's only won a single game as a civ, so why is he alive now?

Epignosis wrote:I think thellama73 is good but annoying. So there's something else.

Story of my life

sig wrote:Why do you think that Llama?


Matt your idea is odd, I'm mafia with Daisy since we were Pming about OT stuff? Are you mafia trying to set me up?

I'm going to look into Ika and see what I can dig up, I've got a weird gut read on him.

I have played a lot of games with Epi, and this game he seems to be very coldly calculating. Usually his calculations lead to baddie lynches, but they haven't this game. Call it a hunch, but I just don't feel good about him.

Except that I can't vote for Epi today. Derp.

Matt wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm going with Scotty again. A bit puzzled as to why the people who agreed with me yesterday have been shifting away from him.

I think it was Day 2 when Wilgy pretty much cleared Scotty, and in later posts down the line, you can see Wilgy continue to say things like "Don't lynch Scotty!"

Derp

Oh right. I'm voting for Epignosis then. I think he's playing a masterful game and playing us all for fools.

I'm going with Scotty again. A bit puzzled as to why the people who agreed with me yesterday have been shifting away from him.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I will be unavailable for the rest of today after about noon, so if anyone has anything to discuss with me, do it now.

You mean I can get you lynched without you around to defend yourself?

Yep! Go for it!

I will be unavailable for the rest of today after about noon, so if anyone has anything to discuss with me, do it now.

I'm putting my vote on Scotty for now. The more I think about him, the more I suspect he's been flying under the radar this whole time.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Yeah I dont think we should rule out Lorab either.

I do. Lynch switch is a civ power. Unless she got lucky with the power steal, I am comfortable ruling her out.

I addressed this idea. I am not ruling out Lorab.

Epignosis wrote:I just asked the hostess a question. I do not think Lorab is Tom, and I think Tom is a ninny.

For those wondering, I asked if conditional qualifiers can be put on a lynch switch ahead of time. The answer was no. Lorab would have had to PM a lynch switch in before Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:33 am EST (her last visit) to switch the lynch to DFaraday, and she would have had to do so when she had only one vote (mine).

Therefore, I do not think Lorab is Tom.

That's... a pretty good point.

Nerolunar wrote:Yeah I dont think we should rule out Lorab either.

I do. Lynch switch is a civ power. Unless she got lucky with the power steal, I am comfortable ruling her out.

DrWilgy wrote:I want reason for your Rab suspicion 1st if you can daisy.

Yes, I concur with this.

Scotty is one I could easily see being bad. He's kept kind of a low profile this game.

Eloh, can we have a poll so we can vote to lynch people? I want to lynch people.

I am still pretty suspicious of Daisy, but Edith's request to move on compels me to say that I'm starting to feel bad about Epignosis. His cool, calculating style this game makes me suspect a baddie Epi.

DrWilgy wrote:Yes!

If you actually are bad, this might be the most brilliant move I've seen from you yet.

ika wrote:llama might be scum with dasiy

Seriously?

S~V~S wrote:Who wants a rhubarb bush

I happen to love rhubarb.

Spacedaisy wrote:I was making a point Llama, the point being you were drawing a connection between me and DF without even knowing he was bad. I have repeatedly said I didn't know what his alignment is. I don't need to wait and see, I know you are wrong. You are absolutely infuriating and the worst part is you refuse to put your money where your mouth is. I want your concession that you were wrong when the time comes that my alignment is revealed. I'm done talking to you too, because you are a stubborn, misled man. And I'm through wasting my breath on arguing with you because you are beyond listening to sense.

For what it's worth, I still like you a lot.

Spacedaisy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:None of this changes my opinion about Daisy. I was sure DF would be civ after her daring me to lynch him.

I did not dare you to lynch him. You decided I was bad and are making everything fit that theory. You're ridiculous and WRONG!

I don't deny being ridiculous, but we'll have to wait and see on that last part.

Anyway, you said I should lynch DF first and only go after you if he flips bad, which I characterized as a dare. Maybe not 100% accurate, but close enough for government work.

None of this changes my opinion about Daisy. I was sure DF would be civ after her daring me to lynch him.

Spacedaisy wrote:

ika wrote:daisy or dfar are my votes

and daisy should know im willing to take on bets

You good folks are all my witnesses.

Well, now this lynch just became win-win for me.

I'm sorry, but for some reason this tickled me and I can't stop laughing.

Long Con wrote: It's hard for me to read {Ika} because of his playstyle of dubious posts and complete lack of trying to spell correctly.

Spacedaisy wrote:Llama I have demonstrated it multiple times. You sir are blind to the truth.

Blind like a fox.

Spacedaisy wrote:No, I don't think llama is bad. But I still would like to see you all lynch him when I flip civ. Vindictive of me isn't it? I want him to deal with what I've had to deal with. I'm also not saying I believe he is good. He is the person I feel the least confident about, but I still think he is probably civ.

I don't want to lynch llama if I am not being lynched. But if I get lynched because of his case against me then I want him to be lynched as well, it is purely spiteful vindictiveness. I want him to have to argue against a silly case.

If you are asking the good little civ in me, then I don't recommend it. My vote on him just makes me feel better. I'll likely move it later to try and save myself. I'm just not leaving it on Scotty.

Trust me, I've had to deal with it in, many, many games.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:To those of you voting or thinking about voting spacedaisy:

What happens if she gets lynched and is a civilian? Where do you look then?

What happens if she gets lynched and is mafia? Where do you look then?

If Spacedaisy is civ, then I think it would be the same as lynching any participating civilian. We'll put our heads down and try again tomorrow without much to go off.

In my experience with Spacedaisy as mafia, she is more likely to distance from a mafia partner than to defend them. If Spacedaisy is mafia, then Matt would be worth looking at, and DF would be less likely to be mafia.

I agree with this. Part of my case hinges on Daisy knowing DF is civ, so if she is mafia, I will not consider DF a danger.

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm done talking, you all have already decided. I would just ask that when I am lynched and flip civ, please lynch llama next, so that he is the victim of his own faulty logic as well. He did after all, vote to lynch bubbles and then turn around and wanted to lynch me for her lynch. Takes zero responsibility for his own actions and lynches me because he claims I am protecting DF from lynch, despite the fact he has no idea what DF's role is. That is the basis of this freaking lynch, it's the stupidest case against me I have ever seen and if llama and Dom and ika are not bad, they are going to be eating a ton of crow when this lynch is over.

My logic isn't faulty. You just disagree with my premises. You've never demonstrated one flaw in my logic.

Spacedaisy wrote:1. I'm not protecting DF, I have no read on him, I can't read him,this is a well established fact. I don't know his alignment, there is a chance you will lynch him and find him bad, I don't know.

2. My point was not that I actually want you to lynch him, it's that your logic was deeply flawed. If you had a bad flip on DF, then it would make some sense to point at me but you have no flip on DF.

3. I care because I'm engaged in the game, no one wants to be lynched. And when I see flawed logic being used to paint me as bad, I'm going to point it out.

My logic isn't flawed. You just disagree with my premises.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why do you want to lynch Spacedaisy? I find her presence in this game reassuring.

A couple of reasons.
1) she's led us away from a DFaraday lynch, towards two civilian lynches. This in itself is not very compelling. I've done the same thing myself in many a game. But there's also...
2) Her "lynch DFaraday and then come after me if he's bad" gambit, feels like a setup. I think she knows he will flip good, which is why she made the offer.
3) Her repeated use of some variation of the phrase "suspect me all you want" feels false to me, especially given that she has reacted more strongly to my suspicion of her than I would have expected. It feels like she is trying to act like she doesn't care about being suspected, but she actually cares a lot, and that seems like a baddie move to me.

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Where do you stand with MM Epig? I didn't really understand what your conclusion was.

If people wanted to lynch MM at this stage, they're not going to get any mileage out of his posts- there's a relatively high number of posts, but they've all been, as it were, poking from the perimeter.

That's what I'm saying.

I always have a low-level wanting to lynch MM, but I would much rather lynch Daisy. Long Con should join me in this, since he has ben talking the most sense of anyone lately.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I didn't want to say anything, but Lady Edith's writing is decidedly feminine in terms of structure, syntax, and word choice.

One of my best literature professors would give us quizzes. The quizzes consisted of passages without titles, authors, or dates. Our task was to identify the authors. I never got higher than a C on those things.

It must be llama.

Ture. I have a very feminine style. Now, who wants some yogurt? It has probiotics.

ika wrote:so im removed from lycnh todday and doc pulled off a save.

nice

scotty i seocnd that why lorab why not dom or daisy or something like that i need to read your lsit again

Why would anyone remove you from the lynch poll? No one is even thinking about lynching you, are they?

That's the kind of night I like to see!

I'm putting my vote on Daisy for now. For someone who keeps insisting she doesn't mind getting attention, she seems to mind it quite a bit.

bea wrote:

Epignosis wrote:At least we lynched bea, a total no-show. Right?



Sorry bea. That was shit.

Just now got to my death in my catch up.

Fun game guys!

Hahaha, oh man. I'm sorry bea. You made me fel bad.

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Spacedaisy wrote:I have very good reason to speculate on it, but I don't have to share all my reasons for everything I ask. Eyeball me all you like Mr. Con, I don't have anything to hide.

Spacedaisy wrote: Finally, what you feel doesn't change the truth. I commented on the only thing I felt worth commenting on, I didn't have any other thoughts at that point. Think or feel what you like about it, it doesn't change my alignment.

Spacedaisy wrote:Oh you are allowed to have whatever reads you like, but the way you phrased that made it sound as though I was second on your list because of silver's reads you were going to push. You should listen to her read on me, she was right.

Epi didn't ever go after me for my posts that I recall.

Yep I was wrong on my theory regarding bubbles replacement, I sure it won't be the last time I'm wrong I my mafia career. It is what it is.

Spacedaisy wrote:I wouldn't say I strongly suspect Matt, I didn't like any of the current wagons. But when I looked at the list and tried to decide who I would be more comfortable voting for, there was no one. I'm not saving DF, I can't read DF for shit and I have contributed to his mislynch a lot in the last year, it's making me gun shy and I don't see the case for him as being all that strong in the first place. Mistrust me all you want Llama, but those are the facts, I don't have any nefarious intentions.

Maybe you're right, Daisy, but wouldn't this be a clever ploy if for you if I am right?

Spacedaisy wrote: I'll tell you what, lynch DF if you think he's bad, and if he flips bad, then talk about voting for me. But until you know DF is bad, stop trying to paint me as bad for not wanting to vote for him. I am not bad.

Spacedaisy wrote:Llama: What reason would lead a baddie to try and keep the civs from lynching another civ?

DF has ben up for a lynch twice in a row now. The longer he stay alive, the longer he will keep dominating the conversation and drawing votes. If he dies, the people who suspect him will be forced to look elsewhere, maybe at the real baddies. Keeping a civ who keeps almost getting lynched alive is immensely beneficial to the mafia.

Scotty wrote: Llama: I don't like llama coming out brazenly and latching onto a Nero lynch, not expanding on it, and then changing to Bubbles at the end. Could he really have something on Nero and want to stave it off until a time he can really peg him, and ultimately just jumped on a suspicion of someone else? Llama is a null leaaaaaaning civ read for me.

Oh yeah, I can explain this now. I noticed Nero had been quiet for a while and I wanted to provoke him into coming out. I wanted to see how he would react to an unexplained vote. Sometimes you can get good reads on people by seeing how they react to an unexpected attack. His response didn't really ping me though, so I let it go.

And the hypocrisy argument doesn't really work in mafia, because you're essentially saying I should suspect myself. I know that my role is civilian, but I don't know that about Daisy.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Speaking of Daisy, this the second time she has led us away from voting for DFaraday. I'll probably be voting for her tomorrow.

1) You were the last vote on Bubbles, so this is hypocrisy if I've ever seen it.

2) By your logic, should we not lynch DFaraday first, see if he's bad and THEN vote Daisy?

Not necessarily. Daisy could be leading the lynch away from DF for reasons other than being his teammate, but I'm pretty fine with either lynch candidate at this point.

sig wrote: Also Llama's logic based around Baddies more likely to be replaces is faulty reasoning. I don't think this is true. I highly doubt a host would favor the mafia over the civs by trying harder to replace them.

It's not faulty reasoning. You just disagree with my premise.

Speaking of Daisy, this the second time she has led us away from voting for DFaraday. I'll probably be voting for her tomorrow.